100% release of Unit No. 4 Spent Fuel Pool assumed in NRC analysis — 50% at Unit No. 3 pool

Published: October 7th, 2011 at 7:23 pm ET


SOURCE: The NRC Knew Possibility of Elevated Thyroid Dose in Midway Island and Alaska By March 22nd – Worked to keep it away from FOIA, Enformable, October 7, 2011

From: Rogge, John
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:49 AM
To: Baker, Pamela; [et al.]
Subject: Tues 0730 – Commissioners Assistants Briefing on Japanese Events

The following is a synopsis of the briefing with changes or noteworthy items: More at 2000 Tuesday from the RDO…. Mr. John Rogge…. […]

General Items of Interest […]

The Bounding Plausible Analysis […] assumes 1 core and 2 SFPs released. (25% U2 Core, 50% U3 SFP, 100% U4 SFP)

The NRC’s analysis from March 22 assumes there were two spent fuel pools (SFP) at Fukushima that released radioactivity, specifically:

  • 50% of Unit No. 3’s SFP
  • 100% of Unit No. 4’s SFP


SOURCE: Enformable

Engineering Branch 3 Chief: John Rogge
Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Region 1, Division of Reactor Safety
Engineering Branch 3 inspects reactor licensee activities in the area of fire protection; provides technical expertise and support in the electrical area; and performs Region-based baseline and supplemental fire protection inspections.

Published: October 7th, 2011 at 7:23 pm ET


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79 comments to 100% release of Unit No. 4 Spent Fuel Pool assumed in NRC analysis — 50% at Unit No. 3 pool

  • selfsovereign

    So six + old reactor cores plus one fresh hot one all vaporized in building 4 alone. Makes the pit of my stomache twinge.

    Gunderson was right, they should have evacuated tokyo…………

    Alaska must be covered………….

    • Sickputer

      This is a March 22nd guess by the NRC and they have never been accused of being exempt from the Peter Principle.

      So don’t assume #4 has blown all its wad yet. I highly doubt they would have been able to do any of the building reinforcing in April and May if that had been the case. They have not released the video of the Unit 4 explosion and that would be something we would like to examine.

      • admin

        Interesting observation Sickputer

        The Peter Principle can also be applied to the Spent Fuel Pools.

        “Anything that works will be used in progressively more challenging applications until it fails.”

        “There is much temptation to use what has worked before, even when it may exceed its effective scope.”


        “‘The Generalized Peter Principle’ was observed by Dr. William R. Corcoran in his work on corrective action programs at nuclear power plants.”

        • Whoopie Whoopie

          Hello Admin. I totally agree the Peter Principle can be applied the spent fuel pools too. In fact, to everything we’re seeing from these Reactors.
          (I like it. Going to use it here on out)
          IF THE GLOVE FITS. 🙁

        • Sickputer

          Admin typed these pixels of light:

          ““‘The Generalized Peter Principle’ was observed by Dr. William R. Corcoran…”


          Thanks for the followup. There is no real scientific basis for the Peter Principle other than anecdotal humor and I meant it in the same vein based on observations of the Tepco practices we actually hear about.

          Tepco could use Bill in Japan…I was acquainted with his work when I worked at HL&P in 1982-1983. But I didn’t know he had such a long vitae. Quite impressive.


          I bet he and Arnie have shared a few tales of woe about the nuclear sites in America.

    • Arizonan Arizonan

      Occupy Tokyo! Arrest TEPCO criminals!

  • Radio VicFromOregon

    I agree with Sickputer. They also aren’t going to waste time, money, and potential human worker exposure on protecting an empty spent fuel pool or reactor. I don’t know if the explosion was enough to toss much material out of the pool itself. I think Arnie was more concerned about the water and fuel dumping from another large earthquake and creating an exposed re-criticality above ground in open air. TEPCO, at least on this, listened and are trying to shore up the pool frame. It was a good idea and the more good ideas put out there, the better the solutions will be to try and reduce the level of real and potential devastation.

  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    The spent fuel pools are of significant concern, Marvin Resnikoff, a radioactive waste management consultant, said in a Wednesday press briefing organized by the nonprofit organization Physicians for Social Responsibility. Resnikoff noted that the pools at each reactor are thought to have contained the following amounts of spent fuel, according to The Mainichi Daily News:

    • Reactor No. 1: 50 tons of nuclear fuel
    • Reactor No. 2: 81 tons
    • Reactor No. 3: 88 tons
    • Reactor No. 4: 135 tons
    • Reactor No. 5: 142 tons
    • Reactor No. 6: 151 tons
    • Also, a separate ground-level fuel pool contains 1,097 tons of fuel; and some 70 tons of nuclear materials are kept on the grounds in dry storage.

    The reactor cores themselves contain less than 100 tons of fuel, Resnikoff noted.

    The fuel had been moved from reactor No. 4’s core to its spent-fuel pool recently, so “that fuel is relatively fresh and hotter, thermally,” Resnikoff explained. “So it’s not surprising that when the water [was] no longer circulating that the water was actually boiled off in a zirconium exothermic reaction, that the zirconium burned” (occurring at about 1,800 degrees Celsius).


    • Sickputer

      Good point about the hot fuel pulled and placed in the SFP at 4.

      Comment: We saw plenty of video evidence of emissions from Unit 4 after March 22 so I am sure the SFP wasn’t expended the first two weeks. When Tepco set the new heat exchanger in operation early in September the emissions were slowed considerably.

      I want to check out those SA tonnage figures. I posted at least 3 times about the figures from the 2010 PowerPoint presentation in which there was probably no need to lie excessively pre-disaster. I’ll get on my big bomber laptop and compare notes.

      • Sickputer

        The spent fuel figures jibe with the Tepco PowerPoint:


        Just about a 16 ton difference from my calculations.

        Now as for fissile or fresh fuel (loaded in the reactor assembly vessel)…SA above says less than 100 tons… I have other sources which say 800 tons of fresh fuel:


        Now admitted the Forbes article for the Associated Press citation reference in that blog is now gone…but that is not unusual or unexpected with the coverup.

        Another blog says 400 tons of fresh (fissile) fuel:


        In searching I also found this answer to another question I had long wondered about…was all the MOX fuel loaded at Unit 3? Perhaps not:

        “Nathalie Bonnefoy, from the MELOX Division of AREVA La Hague, France, said, “Today, the type of fuel used in the reactor is absolutely not involved in the problems at the Fukushima facility…It’s not a matter of the MOX fuel exploding; the problem is if you have a loss of cooling, you have a risk of fusion and the hydrogen released could generate difficulties in contact with air, but it is independent from the type of combustible used.”

        “In this site, all the MOX fuel has been already loaded in the reactor (it started in October 2010),” no MOX fuel is stored on site here. On others sites, a part of the MOX fuel is stored on site (every 18 months you have to renew one third of the MOX fuel because it has lost efficiency). According to Bonnefoy, four reactors in Japan are burning MOX fuel fabricated by AREVA; the first loading took place in December 2009; AREVA signed contracts with eight (out of eleven) Japanese electric companies to supply MOX fuel, but the French group has no reactors of its own in Japan.” http://www.dcbureau.org/20110314781/natural-resources-news-service/fission-criticality-in-cooling-ponds-threaten-explosion-at-fukushima.html

        Amazing what you can find on the Internet eh? So which other plants are also MOX in Japan?

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Also from this article:

          “The CIA has reported that Japan’s nuclear power program was not limited to the peaceful production of electrical power. The program had its roots in a secret weapons program that caused the CIA to conclude as far back as 1964 that Japan could assemble within months a nuclear weapon.

          “Because of the Japanese public’s fear of nuclear weapons, the various subsequent Japanese governments have kept the program secret and have repeatedly denied its existence when news organizations made inquiries.”

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Japan starts using MOX fuel
          05 November 2009

          “Preparations are also under way by Shikoku Electric Power Co and Chubu Electric Power Co to introduce MOX fuel into their reactors in or after 2010.

          “In June, Japan’s Federation of Electric Power Companies (Fepco) announced the country’s plans for MOX fuel use had been revised. Fepco chairman Shosuke Mori said that, after reviewing the organisation’s so-called ‘Pluthermal’ project in the light of national policy and the availability of the country’s own reprocessing facilities, it had been decided to revise its goal of having 16-18 reactors using MOX fuel to fiscal 2015 instead of 2010.

          “According to a timetable released by Kyushu, Genkai unit 3 was set to be restarted and to reach criticality today. The reactor is scheduled to resume electricity production on 9 November. Power will then be gradually increased, with the unit expected to reach full capacity by 2 December. Performance during the restart using the MOX fuel is to be inspected by the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry. Kyushu said that the restart schedule could change as the inspection process progresses.”

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          MOX fuel
          “Reprocessing of commercial nuclear fuel to make MOX is done in the United Kingdom and France, and to a lesser extent in Russia, India and Japan. China plans to develop fast breeder reactors and reprocessing. Reprocessing of spent commercial-reactor nuclear fuel is not permitted in the United States due to nonproliferation considerations. All of these nations have long had nuclear weapons from military-focused research reactor fuels except Japan.
          “The United States is building a MOX plant at the Savannah River Site in South Carolina. The Tennessee Valley Authority and Duke Energy are interested in using the reactor fuel from the conversion of weapons-grade plutonium.[5]
          “ Thermal reactors
          “About 30 thermal reactors in Europe (Belgium, Switzerland, Germany and France) are using MOX[6] and a further 20 have been licensed to do so. Most reactors use it as about one third of their core, but some will accept up to 50% MOX assemblies. In France, EDF aims to have all its 900 MWe series of reactors running with at least one-third MOX. Japan aimed to have one third of its reactors using MOX by 2010, and has approved construction of a new reactor with a complete fuel loading of MOX. Of the total nuclear fuel used today, MOX provides 2%.”

          • Sickputer

            Thanks for the MOX update…I am so alarmed they are pushing forward at Genkai…heaven help us all…it’s just insanity in a country already near death’s door from Fukushima to keep running the most risky type of nuclear fuel that runs so hot in the old brittle reactors.

            No…Wikipedia is wrong…Duke Energy is no longer “interested” in MOX fuel. Their MOX tests scared the living sh*t out of them in 2007 and the data from those tests are held by the NRC and they won’t release them to public information requests (nice to have dictator friends upstairs eh?)

            Wikipedia has an equally misleading entry about the Duke Energy MOX test site (Catawba Nuclear Station):

            “The 4 test assemblies did not perform as expected and at least at present those plans are shelved[3].


            Except we know the NRC does not want to shelve those future plans for MOX despite the frightening results at Catawba and are looking to do an endaround at Hanford in Washington state. Stay alert folks!

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          The Deadly MOX Fuel Story in Japan’s Reactors
          “Tokyo Electric Power Company’s (Tepco’s) Fukushima I unit 3 is set to become the third Japanese nuclear reactor to load mixed oxide (MOX) fuel after receiving approval from the governor of Fukushima Prefecture, Yukei Sato. The unit follows Kyushu Electric’s Genkai 3, which started using MOX fuel in November 2009, and Shikoku’s Ikata 3, which was loaded with some MOX fuel in March 2010. According to the Denki Shimbun, the 760 MWe boiling water reactor will be loaded with MOX fuel by 21 August and the unit will restart in late September. Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has so far approved the use of MOX fuel in ten reactors, but utilities must also secure approval from prefectural governments before they can go ahead and use the fuel, which contains plutonium recovered from spent nuclear fuel….”

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Mixed Oxide (MOX) Fuel
          “In Japan about ten reactors are licensed to use it and several do so. These reactors generally use MOX fuel as about one third of their core, but some will accept up to 50% MOX assemblies. France aims to have all its 900 MWe series of reactors running with at least one third MOX. Japan also plans to use MOX in one third of its reactors in the near future and expects to start up a 1383 MWe (gross) reactor with a complete fuel loading of MOX at the Ohma plant in late 2014.2 Other advanced light water reactors such as the EPR or AP1000 will be able to accept complete fuel loadings of MOX if required….
          “Today, Russia leads the way in fast reactor development and has long-term plans to build a new generation of fast reactors fuelled by MOX. The world’s largest fast reactor – the 800 MWe BN-800 – is currently under construction at Beloyarsk in the Urals and due to start up in 2012….
          “At present the output of reprocessing plants exceeds the rate of plutonium usage in MOX, resulting in inventories of (civil) plutonium in several countries. These stocks are expected to exceed 250 tonnes before they start to decline after 2010 as MOX use increases, with MOX then expected to supply about 5% of world reactor fuel requirements….”

      • StPaulScout StPaulScout

        Sick – You say, “We saw plenty of video evidence of emissions from Unit 4 after March 22 so I am sure the SFP wasn’t expended the first two weeks. When Tepco set the new heat exchanger in operation early in September the emissions were slowed considerably.”

        The NRC says, “The NRC’s analysis from March 22 assumes there were two spent fuel pools (SFP) at Fukushima that released radioactivity, specifically:

        50% of Unit No. 3′s SFP
        100% of Unit No. 4′s SFP”

        I will take the NRC’s word on this over yours. As much as I hope they are wrong, they are most likely still understating.
        Why do you post inane comments like, “so I am sure the SFP wasn’t expended the first two weeks” when the NRC just stated they think it burned? I have seen photos of 3 and 4, both appear to be damned near empty. Quit trying to bull-shit people, you are no expert, not even close…..

        • Sickputer

          SPS typed these pixels of light:

          “I will take the NRC’s word on this over yours”

          Perhaps you need some more evidence from me? *;-) Glad to oblige…

          Let’s examine a few facts we know.

          1. The NRC and other Americans were not included in any Japanese meetings prior to March 21, 2011. Ten days after the earthquake. This is well-documented as a source of great contention between the US and the Japanese and explained well in this excellent New York Times document:


          So that means your NRC man you trust over me had one day to come up with his “assumption” about the fuel in spent fuel pond Unit being 100% released. Love his name for the theory also…Bounding Plausible Analysis. Ever heard of it? Apparently nobody else has either as those three words are used in that sequence by only one man in the world…Mr. Rogge. Try an exact word advanced search in Google and see if anyone else has ever used those words. Quite a wordsmith.

          Other NRC and NRR folks wrote many days later that there was no significant change in Unit 4 and in fact one wrote Rogge on March 18 and said there was no significant change in Unit 4:


          On that same page see the April 6th email from Deputy Director Jack Grobe inquired about a Japanese report on a zirc fire in Unit 4 SFP.

          Oh darn…your NRC guy you trust instead of me said it was already 100% released.

          OK…just kidding a bit, but I don’t kid around with Arnie because he is rock solid. Here’s what he had to say about the SFP at Unit 4 on March 31, which is a few days after Rogge said the fuel was 100% released:

          “Between seconds thirty-three and thirty-seven on this video you can see little boxes. The little boxes are just to the left of that green bridge. The boxes are in air. Those boxes are the top of nuclear fuel racks. They’re supposed to be under thirty feet of water. They’re not.

          What that means to me is a couple things. First off, the top of the nuclear fuel is exposed.”


          Anyway…hope this is a little bit more convincing than Mr. Rogge and his email. Yes…I think the fuel pond was punctured by the earthquake at Unit 4 and the pond went dry. I think the resulting fission caused the explosion there. But I certainly don’t think that 100% of the fuel has been released at Unit 4. It’s still a time bomb and perhaps as dangerous a corium mass as units 1-3.

          • StPaulScout StPaulScout

            The NRC says, “The NRC’s analysis from March 22 assumes there were two spent fuel pools (SFP) at Fukushima that released radioactivity, specifically:

            50% of Unit No. 3′s SFP
            100% of Unit No. 4′s SFP”

            I still take this at it’s face value over what you are stating.

            I have seen photos of what Arnie was talking about and the boxes were empty you twit. Google it and you will find the same photos, I will get the link…..

          • Sickputer

            >the boxes were empty you twit

            The twits are over there>>>>> NRC, EPA, etc…

            I’m not here to fight with enenewers over interpretations of NRC documents…just to comment and trade information. If you feel the need though, fire away. I am unmoved by such words.

            Perhaps you and Mr. Bogge are right about the spent fuel pond being 100% gone at Unit 4 by March 21. The reactor vessel fuel was pulled in December so all the fuel was in the pool and if it is 100% expended then we have nothing left to worry about from that UNit.

            I’ll be the first to commend you on your assessment if that information is proven valid.

            On another note for our physics expert posters….I have a question. The fuel assemblies at Unit 4 were pulled in December 2010 (not sure of the day). But at least 100 days in the pond cooling before the Great Earthquake.

            How would that time in circulating water compare for volatility in the fission energy compared to Units 1 and 2 fuel cores which were in metal assemblies?

            Unit 4 SFP suffered the huge building gash that made it leak out most if not all of the water and the Japanese had to feed and bleed manually until early September when the closed cooling heat exchanger was installed.

            Assuming Bogge was mistaken and there are still fuel fragments in the Unit 4 building, is it possible the fresh fuel 100 days old was capable of melting into a corium similar to the Units 1 and 2 (let’s omit 3 as it was far hotter with MOX fuel)?

            So is another fat lady floating or sinking in Building 4? Any guesses?

            BTW…I found out the Japanese reload fuel differently from American BWRs. In America they just pull out a few of the expended fuel rods in the fuel assembly and replace with fresh ones. In Japanese nuclear reloading they pull the entire assembly and all the rods go into the pool and then they pick and choose which ones go back (usually a reload replaces 25% of the depleted rods). This procedural difference means Japanese nuclear plants are far more dangerous during reloading in the event of an earthquake or other disaster.

  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    25% U2 Core, 50% U3 SFP, 100% U4 SFP

    So U2 burned 20 TONS,

    U3 burned 44 tons,

    U4 burned 135 TONS.

    If these numbers are correct and that shit is spreading all around the world, we are all fucked.

  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    You all realize less than 5 pounds of Plutonium, chopped up REAL small and evenly distributed to all humans will kiil us all. It’s been fun, party on Wayne! Party on Garth!

  • Undertow

    The most ridiculous part of John Rogge’s original email is how he makes a reference to himself.

    “from the RDO….Mr. John Rogge….”

    I love when people address themself in the 3rd person, and with a title no less!

    – from the badass….Mr. Undertow….

  • Red Red Wine Principal…

    Party like its 1999.

  • Alaskan Alaskan

    In Anchorage here, had a sore throat for months and the snow hasn’t even started falling yet

  • Anthony Anthony

    U.S. urges citizens to avoid area around stricken Japanese reactors
    By the CNN Wire Staff
    updated 8:21 PM EST, Fri October 7, 2011

    • Sickputer

      This is the Clinton dirty dealing I warned about…remember the US recommended safety zone was originally to stay 50 miles out for Americans..

      Look at the new wording of this new alert:

      “The State Department alert offered different advice for those farther out from the plant, which it defined as between 20 and 80 kilometers. For “temporary visitors” making a trip a year, the U.S. government said that “health and safety risks … are low and exposure does not pose significant risks.”

      SP: Clinton throws Noda a bone…we know there are terrible hotspots in the zones 20 to 60 miles (and farther) and yet our government says it is fine to travel in those areas.

  • Anthony Anthony

    TEPCO drops new graduate hires in FY13 / Personnel cuts to include rehired staff

    The Yomiuri Shimbun

    Tokyo Electric Power Co., the operator of the troubled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, will not hire new graduates for fiscal 2013, following a similar decision earlier this year for fiscal 2012, it was learned Friday.

    According to an outline of the utility company’s personnel cut plan, it will not supplement a loss of employees who will reach the retirement age. In addition, TEPCO will offer voluntary retirement plans to contract-based employees who are 57 years old and older, according to sources.

    It plans to cut 3,600 employees, about 10 percent of its workforce, by the end of March 2014.


  • Anthony Anthony

    New safety rules for workers near N-plant

    The Yomiuri Shimbun

    The health ministry will lay down a set of rules aimed at protecting the health of personnel working to decontaminate areas around the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, ministry officials said Friday.

    The rules will require such workers to have their radiation levels tested and oblige them to wear protective masks.

    The new regulations, to be incorporated into the Industrial Safety and Health Law, are designed to protect the health of workers engaged in such tasks as open-air decontamination and the disposal of radioactive waste in the vicinity of Tokyo Electric Power Co.’s crippled facility, according to the Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry.

    The current rules only cover personnel working inside nuclear power facilities. Starting in January, however, full-fledged efforts will be made to decontaminate radiation-polluted areas and dispose of radiation-contaminated sludge and debris. The ministry will soon start working out the details of the new rules, with a view to enforcing them in January, the officials said.

    It is envisaged that they will be applied in areas near the nuclear plant where annual accumulated levels of exposure to radiation from outside the body are 5 millisieverts or higher.


  • Anthony Anthony

    Divided Japan Starts Energy Policy Debate


    Seven months after the nuclear disaster at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant, Japan on Friday finally began discussing in earnest its new energy policy, which will determine the fate of the nation’s nuclear-power industry.


  • “Spent nuclear fuel pool catches fire”: “Worse than a meltdown” says expert
    March 15th, 2011

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      What about Fuku Daini? I know everyone is tired of me saying it, but TEPCO has rated 3 of the reactors at Fuku Daini at the same level of emergency as the #4 reactor at Fuku Daiichi. Why won’t any one report what is happening at Fuku Daini and the #5 and #6 reactors at Fuku Daichi?

      • Hemisfear311 Hemisfear311

        Dear Anne, I am not tired of you repeating relevant questions, even though no answer to your questions are within easy reach.

        If we have learned anything since 3/11 it must be that Tepco is reluctant to reveal incriminating information.

        The shroud of silence that covers Fuku Daiini and Daiichi #5 and #6, will only be lifted by people like you, who continue to ask those questions.

      • xstatic

        fuku daiini is that where the flash of light happened a couple of weeks ago on the web cams?

  • kintaman kintaman

    If this is true we are all fucked and would make this an extinction level event. Not an immediate one but within 10-30 years. This will be like “Children of Men” (the film) in that there will be no more children and those of us still around will be screwed.

    Thank you TEPCO and the Japanese government. I am glad I left Japan when I did but I now fear it will be of little consequence.

    Japan as a nation is finished and soon after we all will be.

  • Anthony Anthony

    TEMPE, Ariz.–Arizona State University has announced today it is entering the next phase of a multi-million, multi-institutional research project to develop technologies that would rapidly measure an individual’s level of exposure to radiation in the event of a radiological or nuclear incident.

    The project will enter a $5 million contract option as part of a potential $35.44 million project funded by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) to extend feasibility testing for the development of a prototype that will measure gene expression in individuals exposed to abnormal levels of radiation.

    Currently, no rapid, FDA cleared, high-throughput system exists to measure the radiation dose of individuals within a large population.


  • midwestern midwestern

    Petitioners fight for suspension of Fukushima-style nuke reactors:


    Petitioners urged the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to immediately suspend all U.S. nuclear plants with the same type of reactor as the plant in Fukushima, Japan during a public hearing today.

    “This appeal is for human sensibility, moral responsibility and due process,” said Paul Gunter, Director of the Reactor Oversight Project for Beyond Nuclear. “Fukushima tragically demonstrates that the Mark 1 containment liability is a deceptive falsehood, a breach of contract to both the NRC and public health and safety.”

    The public hearing was prompted by a petition of more than 8,000, including the local group Grandmothers, Mothers and More for Energy Safety (GRAMMES), calling on the NRC to “freeze our Fukushimas.”

  • Alaskan Alaskan

    Have a Geiger counter coming in soon , Soeks seems like a good brand and will post my readings…

  • StillJill StillJill

    Excellent Alaskan! Good to have you and your findings for Alaska! Boy, never more has the old saying been true,…”knowledge IS power”, Yes?

    I’ve heard good things about Soeks, but I know very little about counters, unfortunately. (yet) 🙂

  • Alaskan Alaskan

    Thanks for this website ENENEWS !!

  • Always try to be positive, especially since I have 2 awesome kids 1.5 and 2.5 years old. Don’t want to think ELE, but yeah I could see them lying about that for as long as possible. If it were to be true people would figure out they have little to lose and the governing elite would be hiding not only from the radiation but from us…..and nobody would care too much about paying a mortgage.

  • arclight arclight



    this is more interesting than i thought!!
    body language
    questions and statements at the end of each talk
    very interesting,,, especially the bit towards the end of the first video….about the children of fukushima…. enjoy

  • Anthony Anthony

    September 30, 2011 at 4:55 pm • Reply
    Researchers: Canadian Arctic ice shelf diminishes significantly, nearly disappearing
    The Canadian Press By Charmaine Noronha, The Associated Press | The Canadian Press – 3 hours ago
    TORONTO – Two ice shelves that existed before Canada was settled by Europeans diminished significantly this summer, one nearly disappearing altogether, Canadian scientists say in newly published research.
    The loss is important as a marker of global warming, returning the Canadian Arctic to conditions that date back thousands of years, scientists say. Floating icebergs that have broken free as a result pose a risk to offshore oil facilities and potentially to shipping lanes. The breaking apart of the ice shelves also reduces the environment that supports microbial life and changes the look of Canada’s coastline.
    October 4, 2011 at 12:32 pm • Reply

    ***80% of the ozone present in January had been CHEMICALLY DESTROYED by LATE MARCH***


    • Anthony
    October 4, 2011 at 12:40 pm • Reply
    How Fukushima Impacted
    The Massive Arctic Ozone Loss
    By Yoiichi Shimatsu
    A Rense Exclusive
    Here, based simplified, are the chemical reactions in the atmosphere, which explain how the Fukushima disaster impacted the Arctic ozone hole.

    • Anthony Anthony

      How can these three MAINSTREAM news articles NOT be relevant to each other? I add a fourth article, this one with the 100% of SFP#4 being considered gone….this *new* information about SFP4 sure provides the volume of chemical reaction which the other article alludes to as he ties Fukushima to the ozone depletion.

      • Anthony Anthony

        ****The damaged Fukushima reactors and burning fuel rods released many, many tons of of iodine (a highly-reactive ozone-attacking agent) and xenon, which soon transformed into xenon fluoride (produced when xenon comes under UV catalysis to combine with fluorine gas in the atmosphere).

        Fluorine is abundant over the US Pacific Northwest and Canada. The jet stream carried the iodine and newly-formed XeFl compounds in a northeasterly direction, crossing into the Arctic circle and looping back down over Greenland, Scandinavia and European Russia. This exactly accounts for the oblong shape and direction of the expanded ozone hole.****

        • Anthony Anthony

          ****”If the layer of ozone that blocks ultraviolet rays is eradicated, it will negatively affect human health,” he said, adding, “We need to monitor the situation down the track.”****

          • Anthony Anthony

            ***Diseases that *increase* as the ozone layer gets thinner…
            skin cancer (melanoma)
            cancer in general
            malnutrition / starvation (since our food crops are similarly attacked)

            Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_ozone_layer_do#ixzz1aCnCBslF

          • Anthony Anthony

            *****The ozone layer is made up of ozone, which is 3 oxygens bonded together. This compound is capable of absorbing high frequency Ultraviolet (UV) light. The sun constantly emits high frequency UV light and the ozone layer absorbs 93%-99% of the light. This UV light is capable of destroying DNA, the genetic code of most living things. Damaged DNA would lead to deaths all across the world of most species, and would end life as we know it on earth. The Ozone layer is part of what makes Earth a planet where life can thrive!

            In a way, you can say it is. The ozone layer is a shield protecting us from the sun’s UV rays. Also, if we didn’t have this important layer, the earth’s temperature would actually decrease. Why? Because these gases trap the heat near the earth’s surface, keeping it warm. But it is absolutely important if we want to survive.
            It blocks harmful UVA, UVB from hitting us directly, if you were directly exposed for a long time you could possibly get skin cancer.

            Absorb the UV light from the Sun therefore not letting it hit to us on earth.
            Ozone absorbs UV-B, where little else in the atmosphere can. Our (and anmimals and plants) bodies are transparent to UV-B, but our DNA is not. So ozone protects us from UV-B. Damage to DNA causes cancer, mutation, and reduces crop yields.

            It is *very* important.

            Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_ozone_layer_do#ixzz1aCoiYqDC

    • Anthony Anthony

      Earth’s ozone layer might have eroded to the point where people get sunburned within minutes, if political leaders and scientists had not rallied to regulate the chemicals destroying the ozone, which protects us from solar radiation. The Montreal Protocol banned chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) in 1989, and helped banish the specter of a future world with a permanent ozone hole yawning above Antarctica.

      Environmental scientists have proposed a tipping point of a 5-percent decrease in ozone in the stratosphere (an upper layer of the atmosphere), based on ozone levels from 1964-1980.

      A more realistic tipping point for stratospheric ozone might be higher, said Mario Molina, a physical chemist who heads the Center for Strategic Studies in Energy and the Environment in Mexico City. Truly catastrophic ozone depletion all across the globe would be something like a 60-percent decrease. But Molina added the lower limit on ozone destruction makes sense, given the damage to human health and the environment beyond ozone loss of 5 percent.


      **Sad thing is this like was from BEFORE 311***

      • Anthony Anthony

        meant – this *link* not *like* !!

        • Anthony Anthony

          NASA Discovers Northern Arctic Ozone Loss

          By Kevin Lee, PCWorld Oct 4, 2011 2:50 PM The total loss of Ozone in the Arctic was over double the typical amount in the Antarctic, but the area of loss was 40% smaller. Ozone depletion occurs in an atmospheric cyclone system known as an Arctic polar vortex. Whereas the Antarctic vortex is larger and longer-lived, the northern vortex is smaller and shorter, but it is also mobile and often moves over densely populated regions, potentially endangering humans to direct UV exposure.

          [NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory]


          • Anthony Anthony

            14 March 2011: Arctic on the verge of record ozone loss – Arctic-wide measurements verify rapid depletion in recent days

            Potsdam/Bremerhaven, March 14th, 2011. Unusually low temperatures in the Arctic ozone layer have recently initiated massive ozone depletion. The Arctic appears to be heading for a record loss of this trace gas that protects the Earth’s surface against ultraviolet radiation from the sun. This result has been found by measurements carried out by an international network of over 30 ozone sounding stations spread all over the Arctic and Subarctic and coordinated by the Potsdam Research Unit of the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research in the Helmholtz Association (AWI) in Germany.

            “Our measurements show that at the relevant altitudes about half of the ozone that was present above the Arctic has been destroyed over the past weeks,” says AWI researcher Markus Rex, describing the current situation. “Since the conditions leading to this unusually rapid ozone depletion continue to prevail, we expect further depletion to occur.” The changes observed at present may also have an impact outside the thinly populated Arctic. Air masses exposed to ozone loss above the Arctic tend to drift southwards later. Hence, due to reduced UV protection by the severely thinned ozone layer, episodes of high UV intensity may also occur in middle latitudes. “Special attention should thus be devoted to sufficient UV protection in spring this year,” recommends Rex.


          • Anthony there are fossilized tropical forests up around the arctic circle so the ice caps were never a permanent feature of this planet. The planet is warming. What is causing it exactly we do not know for sure. Science doesn’t have all the answers. But the fossil records show dinasuars, tropical jungles extinct life forms and a mile thick ice cap all having existed in the same area of North America, such as Upper New York State. This planet is a mystery to us even though science won’t admit it.

  • arclight arclight

    i think those isotopes will do more than deplete the ozone….the effects of three coriums worth of isotopes seemed to have an effect on weather patterns too!!

    • Bobby1

      There are more particles in the atmosphere now that serve as nuclei for clouds to condense around, so there is more rain and snow, radioactive of course.

    • NoVictimNoFraudNoCrime

      If the 10,000 year known history of civilization on earth were condensed into one hour, we would have had nuclear power for the last 6 milliseconds. And already a catastrophe of unknown magnitude has happened. There is absolutely no mathematical or logical justification to assume that the Fukushima Event is rare!

  • pure water

    Friends, you are just brilliant in all these comments! Thank you!

  • Anthony Anthony

    Isn’t there anyone else who thinks they should have reported the SFP damages before 6 months went by?

    I do. And the bizarre thing is the rest of the world is STILL LARGELY AND COMPLETELY UNAWARE of this even with this being published now.

    As St Paul Scout says:
    • Reactor No. 3: 88 tons
    • Reactor No. 4: 135 tons
    That’s almost 200 TONS of Contaminants released!!!!!

    Without even an acknowledgement of the prospective dangers posed for down-winders from the North American Governments or Health Authorities.

    I watched this program other day about surviving a nuclear attack. It was a poignant moment when they stated how people have to understand, in an emergency it is OUR OWN responsibility to ensure our individual survival – not the government’s. They said the Government has a responsibility to respond and assist citizens after they had initially survived. I think with Nuclear Plant emergencies though, the government and the offending companies have the 100% liability to make things right for all affected citizens and the environment.

    I find the timing of this new rel;ease curious and suspect something much worse is soon to come to light. They always seem to be giving us tidbits without revealing the whole story. If this is edited down, I fear what the whole truth must be. Maybe Anne has a point and perhaps Dani is also AWOL…….

    • Anthony,
      “Government has a responsibility to respond and assist citizens”

      If there will be no Japan as was known, there will be no government as known before, business’s are leaving, unemployments are rising, these people WILL be left on their own to fend till death !

      I’m not seeing a good ending here only further breakdowns in aid from their gov. !

      Remember Katrina, what it was like for days, Hatti ?

    • Steven Steven

      Hi Anthony, yes the official TEPCO status report on Daiini briefly states :

      “We will continue to make our
      endeavors to further stabilize each plant of cold shutdown.”

      … even though cold shutdown ordinarily shouldn’t require further ‘stabilisation’. But we’ve seen how TEPCO loosely interprets that ‘cold shutdown’ status.


  • Anthony Anthony

    Fire at Fourth Reactor: Is Worse Yet to Come in the Fukushima Nuclear Disaster?
    By SIMON SHUSTER Tuesday, Mar. 15, 2011

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2059232,00.html#ixzz1aF2Qfljp

    • Anthony Anthony

      “Right now the situation around the [Fukushima] power station is already much more serious than what we have today around Chernobyl,” says Savin, the chief engineer of Project Uktrytiye, or Enclosure, the group of scientists charged with the continuing effort to seal off and clear out the radiation from Chernobyl. “Walking around Chernobyl is much more safe than being anywhere near the damaged plant in Japan right now. So the risk to human health there is already serious.”
      That is mainly because of the radioactive iodine that has already been detected around Fukushima after the explosions and fires it sustained in the past several days. “The human body absorbs these particles very easily. They get into the thyroid gland and gradually destroy the immune system,” says Ivan Blokov, program director of Greenpeace Russia and an expert on nuclear accidents. “In Chernobyl that was the main cause of illness in the immediate aftermath, the radioactive iodine,” which is especially dangerous for women and children.

      Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2059232,00.html#ixzz1aF3EPHhW

      • Anthony Anthony

        The nightmare scenario, however, would unfold if rescue workers fail in their frantic attempts to cool the fuel rods, as they’ve been trying to do for several days. “The likelihood is low but it still exists,” Savin says. “If one reactor has a full meltdown, and you reach a critical mass of melted nuclear fuel built up inside the reactor, it could cause an atomic explosion.” Other experts say they wouldn’t use the word “explosion” for such an incident. Says Alexander Uvarov, the editor of Atominfo, a Russian online journal on the nuclear industry: “I wouldn’t personally use that phrase, simply because in the public mind that phrase evokes the image of Hiroshima. But yes, it is an explosion, or perhaps more like a very large burst.”
        Such a blast would certainly not have nearly as much force as an atom bomb, Savin agrees, but it would pump a large radioactive cloud into the atmosphere that could then be carried by the wind. “That’s when the situation would start to look a lot more like Chernobyl for many years to come.” Adds Uvarov: “The best way to prevent that is by covering the fuel with a thick layer of water, as they’ve been trying to do [at Fukushima]. Of course that water will continue to steam away from the super-hot fuel, but if the layer is thick enough you would not have that explosion.” But, he adds, “if the melted fuel does gather inside the reactor and is exposed to the air, it could indeed explode, and that would spray all kinds of nasty particles into the atmosphere.”
        (See “Fukushima: Chernobyl Redux?”)

        Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2059232,00.html#ixzz1aF3jzm5c

        • Anthony Anthony

          Experts differ in their opinions on whether a large-scale radiation release can be avoided in Fukushima, as it was in Pennsylvania 32 years ago. Edward Lyman, a senior scientist at the U.S.-based Union of Concerned Scientists, cites a study by Sandia National Laboratories titled “Risk-Informed Assessment of Degraded Containment Vessels” that notes that the type of reactors at work at Fukushima are “unusually vulnerable to containment failure in the event of a core melt accident.” The most likely failure scenario, Lyman says, “involves the molten fuel burning through the reactor vessel, spilling onto the containment floor and spreading until it contacts and breeches the steel containment-vessel wall.” He acknowledges that it’s “not straightforward to interpret [the results of the Sandia study] in the context of the very complicated and uncertain situation at Fukushima. But they are a clear indication of a worrisome vulnerability of the [containment vessel] should the core completely melt and escape the reactor vessel.”
          The key is to avoid a “core melt accident,” which is why TEPCO workers are frantically trying to pump seawater into all three of the damaged reactors. But as Monday drew to a close in Japan, it wasn’t clear if the Fukushima plant had moved away from the worst-case scenario, or if the latest explosion meant it had drawn even closer.

          Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058700,00.html#ixzz1aF67jM47

  • Sickputer

    I agree with you and SPS that the Unit 3 explosion probably unleashed far more of the SFP contents than Bogge’s March estimate (50%). Terrible tragedy for Japan and the world inhabitants. We will be sucking down cesium, strontium, and plutonium (and dying from it) for the rest of mankind’s reign.

    I don’t know that it has been verified 100% of the Unit 4 fuel vaporized. I am guessing based on Fukulive video and worker tweets that a large percentage has burned up and most of that between late March and today.

    All we have in the thread article is an email from a lower level NRC official (you can read his Internet track record at plants across America and he seems like a capable employee).

    I have no corroborating evidence to make me believe Unit 4 is empty of radioactive fuel as we speak. If it is empty then they are sure wasting a lot of fresh water in their heat exchanger system cooling that building.