6-foot tsunami that hit near New Jersey nuclear plant may be first of its kind in U.S. — People injured, swept out to sea by wave detected as far as Puerto Rico — NOAA said continental shelf may have slumped, now suspects ‘atmospheric event’ (VIDEO)

Published: December 23rd, 2013 at 10:43 pm ET
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2014 Ocean Sciences Meeting — CODAR Ocean Sensors & Rutgers University, Dec. 14, 2013: Tsunamis are generally thought of as low-frequency waves that are generated by an underwater disturbance be it an earthquake or landslide. A tsunami can also be generated by an atmospheric disturbance such as a rapid pressure change. These tsunamis are referred to as meteotsunamis because of their meteorological origin. A meteotsunami was detected and tracked off the coast of New Jersey on June 13, 2013. [...]

NOAA Tsunami Simulation (Published Dec. 9, 2013)

CODAR Newsletter, Fall 2013: A strange series of blogs and anecdotal community gossip described people getting swept off breakwaters and out to sea in New Jersey on June 13. It received only local attention for several days. Later someone put these together with an unusual storm system [...] and proposed it may have launched a “meteotsunami” [...] rarely mentioned in the U.S. [NOAA] stepped in to investigate this 13 June event, and put forward another possible origin besides meteorological: an undersea landslide in the Hudson Canyon. The fact that it was indeed a tsunami was confirmed by 30 tide gages [sic] along the East coast up through New England, and as far away as Puerto Rico. [...] A panel of scientists was convened by NOAA to study this event [...] A number of tentative conclusions were reached [...] The tsunami was definitely spawned by the “derecho” atmospheric event depicted in the first figure, not an undersea landslide. [...] this event is considered a “first” in the U.S., supported by extensive observations and modeling [...]

Red marker: Oyster Creek nuclear power plant — Hand: Barnegat Inlet

NPR report from two weeks after the event: NOAA: A Rare Tsunami Hit The East Coast [...] The West Coast and Alaska Tsunami Warning Center said the source of the wave is “complex and under review,” but they believe it was caused by a strong storm and perhaps even the “the slumping at the continental shelf east of New Jersey.”

NOAA’s National Weather Service: A first-hand description was provided by Brian Coen who observed the event at Barnegat Inlet in New Jersey: Around 3:30pm on Thursday June 13, 2013, Brian Coen was spear fishing near the mouth of Barnegat Inlet [...] At approximately 3:30, the outgoing tide was amplified by strong currents which carried divers over the submerged breakwater (normally 3-4 feet deep). This strong outrush continued for 1-2 minutes and eventually the rocks in the submerged breakwater were exposed. Brian backed his boat out before being sucked over as well. At this point, Brian noticed a large wave coming in, approximately 6 feet peak-to-trough and spanning across the inlet. The upper 2 feet of the wave was breaking. This wave occurred in conjunction with a reversal of the current such that even though the tide was going out, a strong surge was entering the inlet. This surge carried the divers back over the submerged reef and into the inlet from where they were picked up. On the south jetty three people were swept off the rocks which were 5 to 6 feet above sea level at the time. At least two were injured requiring medical treatment. [...]

Watch NOAA’s latest simulation of the tsunami published Dec. 9, 2013 here

Published: December 23rd, 2013 at 10:43 pm ET
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  • HoTaters HoTaters

    Sounds like a classic tsunami to me.

    Atmospheric disturbance?

    wHAAAAA?

    Like a blast from HAARP?

    Doubt there's any relationship between these two events, but posted on suspect weather engineering event in the making here earlier this week. At the non-nuclear Forum. With pictures of what looked like a HAARP circle (see Dutchsinse videos), and photos of what I perceive to be the "energy centers" for the pulses. They made distinct cloud signatures. See my links to Photobucket pictures, at the Forum.

    How they would get the energy from Northern CA to the Atlantic is beyond my ken. I don't understand how that could possibly happen. I'd suspect an undersea slump occurred.


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  • tsfw tsfw

    This happened in June? I hadn't heard anything about it. This just keeps getting better and better doesn't it ugh. I'm becoming increasingly worried every time I come to check in here. Today we found out that one of the kids in the village (12 years old) fainted and was confused and has a low wbc. Of course it could be a number of things, but he is one of the more avid surfers, and even though Mexico is still SUPPOSED to be okay for now, my mind couldn't help but go there. I don't have what it takes to watch children start dropping because of Fuku I really don't.


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    • w29r7 w29r7

      I remember watching this, or of similar event at
      youtube HawkkeyDavisChannel channel. You need to
      search/go thru the date though.


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    • elenews

      Tsfw,, {{{{{{hugs}}}}}
      Nuthin else to say but I get what you feel


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    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      I hear you I do-unfortunately….I don't want to watch babies die either,but I HAVE been forced to see them pour into the cancer care wing where my wife has been being treated for her stage 3B IBCancer that she was afflicted with and diagnosed & treatments began for in Feb.2012 and I couldn't help but note the "explosion" of new cancer cases that now fill the previously half-full waiting areas & infusion(chemo)room that I spent 177 days at with her in 2012 alone. Now even routine appointments are met with standing room only as we near the start of "round #2" of chemo,surgery & radiation treatment beginning 12/29/13 when they remove her remaining breast,ovaries,more suspect lymph nodes and ? :( …. It always rips my heart out of my chest when I see the children there & their families going through this shit and sometimes I even shed my own self-pity and bitterness despite our having to enter this phase of her (likely)slow death as we are being foreclosed on & evicted in mid-January following the loss of my late father-in-laws income after he died of multiple cancers that began AFTER 3/11 & died Sept.26th of this year. At first I was humbled by our plight but now I'm just bitter and feel hopeless and I'm hoping nobody drops by our soon to be vacant home for xmas since this shit is preying on my mind and I might snap on the next one that makes a smart-assed comment or rolls their eyes when I try to explain 311 to them when my geiger counter alarm goes off :(


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      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        I guess I should still add that I wish the best for all of you and hope everyone who reads this has a Happy Holiday despite my Bah Humbug,pissed at the world self free-falling further into acute depression. TAKE CARE ALL! Happy Holidays


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        • jec jec

          So sad.To you both, our thoughts are with you. There is nothing much to say other than we all care.


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          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Yes, and you and your family are in our thoughts and prayers. May love, light, joy, peace, and the giver of all that is good be with you all.


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            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Will you write to me off list please, and send me your contact info? Thx. HT


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              • HoTaters HoTaters

                I have been hoping your wife's health would stabilize. Yours, too. Will you please let me know how you're doing?


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              • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

                Thanks for the kind words & holiday greetings everyone, p.s. HoTaters,I finally saw & replied to your email from 12/10. I've been thinking about everyone familiar from the ENE group & all the new members now posting as well and I wonder to myself how things are going for all of you & your loved ones as well? I'm sure that I'm not the only one noting serious health issues & changes to our local environment going un-reported and/or dismissed as "coincidental" & more than just "bad luck"(?)!! Even though I make mention of my own crappy personal situations often-I do hurt inside & feel for EVERY one of you who are or soon will be suffering as a direct or indirect result of what TPTB and their benefactors have laid on ALL of us,including those who like myself were having a hard time dealing with all of the BS that makes living a struggle even without man-made,toxic,terminal implications added by GE,Tepco,etc. & their ilk….Under most circumstances I now have a hard time saying the words Merry Christmas or Happy New Year,etc.-but here,on ENE news to my peeps I have little trouble offering Happy New Year and BEST WISHES to everyone hanging out here for the right reasons & purposes! :) *I'll let the paid or pro-nuke trolls & corp/govt. parties responsible for 311 fill in the blanks for what I'd say & wish to befall them!* :| I'm not sure when or even "if" I'll get to get online again but THANK YOU & Good Luck ALL! ;)


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                • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

                  P.S., I think I had a email filter setting wrong that kept things from getting through. My email is kb9vrp@gmail.com . To all the others who left nice messages to me & the family THANK YOU!! :) I have to get back home to my wife Sandy now though or I'd take the time to personally respond to each one of you,I apologize for that and will probably be taking advantage of the wifi at the hospital while I'm there since they're likely to admit her again today or tomorrow if the nebulizer doesn't work. TAKE CARE ALL :)


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        • PurpleRain PurpleRain

          I'm so sorry to hear all the mess that you have to deal with Johnny Blade. And all the medical nightmarish stuff that your wife has to deal with too. I know there is nothing that I can really do to help, but… well, I wish that I could send you a warm hug or prayer or positive vibration or something to help you and your family and your situation and hope that 2014 will be much better.


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        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          You too Johnny! :) Back at you!


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        • westpac99

          Johnny, I would like to help you and your family. Please email me at westpac99a@yahoo.com . I will get back to you.


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          • Sparky Sparky

            Westpac99 and Johnny, I would be pleased to help as well, although it may be modest. Westpac99, I'll contact you by e-mail directly to make arrangements.

            Johnny, I'm sorry things are so rough. You and your wife are in my prayers. Please do contact Westpac99 directly. (Thanks, Westpac!)


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          • Sparky Sparky

            @Westpac99, I've tried to e-mail twice but I get the following delivery failure msg.:

            <westpac99a@yahoo.com>:
            Remote host said: 554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account

            Westpac99, would you pls. check this? I don't know if others are having the same problem. I'd like to help. Thanks!


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            • westpac99

              Sparky & Johnny, I am so sorry, I used an incorrect email address. My correct email address is westpac99a@gmail.com. No wonder why I didn't get any email reply…. my apologies, and still want to help. look forward to your emails.


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            • westpac99

              I anxiously await for Johnny to respond to me @ westpac99a@gmail.com there are some amazing people already who have not posted on this specific thread that have sent me an email expressing interest in helping Johnny Blade. Please email me Johnny so I can donate. Now once you email me, make sure to also post on this thread so all can see you are alright. There are some caring individuals here. Thank you folks.


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      • vicky13 vicky13

        Love and Light to you and your Wife, Johnny Blade

        I hope 2014 is a better year for all of us. All we can do is hope and try to stay strong.

        *Namaste*


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  • Ontological Ontological

    Perhaps the tsunami was due to a lack of solar flare activity, our atmosphere has become more dense, and settled from minimized scattering of light/radiation with thermal transference sufficient to expand the surrounding air. The incoming solar radiation from a lack of larger flare activity than would be expected in a solar peak period, perhaps has resulted in more atmospheric mass settling over the oceans. Extra mass pressure in turn could be causing tectonic slumping. Ice has the same effect over millions of years, the last mass wasting from melt runoff at the end of the most recent ice age has caused more EQ activity where the ice once was. The Hopi tribe of Native Americans orate of a time when the sky fell. Yes folks this was long before Chicken Little. But this lack of incoming solar radiation which is rare but does occur may be the basis of this phenomenon.


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    • tsfw tsfw

      Interesting, could this atmospheric pressure be why we have not seen any significant waves in months I wonder. We almost never see calm water where we are- really it's a few days a year, but for about 8 months the waves have been pretty pathetic day in and day out, it;s just not normal for us.


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    • Foggyworld

      The heavy use of chemtrails in the area of Oyster Creek is blocking the sun as much as the expected lowering of solar flares that is kicking off the 11 year cooling cycle. It's the relatively rare day that we don't live with white skies and we can see the patterns being laid out when we look up.

      The danger of Oyster Creek is it is the oldest plant in the nation and was built when people seemed to believe NJ's coast was immune to hurricanes and major storms so the stronger building methods just were not used.


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  • weeman

    I don't know why this is relevant to energy news or Fukushima ?
    We all know during a hurricane you have a storm surge due to the low pressure picking up the ocean, now if a low pressure system forms in the Atlantic or pacific and it dissipates, when the forces that apply are exceeded, it must realease the energy, hense a tsunami or as mariners would call a rouge wave.
    Don't let your imagination run away with you?


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      weeman, really?

      A tidal wave came/comes ashore with the potential to take out a Nuclear Power Plant, that by the way is/are sitting on coastlines all over the world and/or on or near bodies of water required to cool the reactors and you do not see the relevance?

      Mysterious tidal waves taking out other Nuclear Power Plants is now the entire world's new concern. :)


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      • weeman

        At least twice a year storms hit that same nuclear power station every year, with bigger waves, it was not in peril, not too say I am not concerned on its location or the probabilities, but it is a long shot the try to find a common factor in this case?
        If you look hard enough for something you will find a common denominator?
        Hey I don't always get it right, I feel the force and it is strong, ahhhhh.
        Ho ho ho.


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        • Bones Bones

          The point is you cannot guarantee that a tsunami just like in Japan could come to the East Coast and destroy a nuke plant. Anytime a plant has to shutdown or is in adverse weather, yes, the plant is in danger. Why do you think they "shut it down"? lol Living here, I would be absolutely devastated to lose the wilderness here. I'd leave the country. I'd rather that we don't gamble with our everything we've ever known since we've been born and a freak occurrence of nature, which is not a freak thing it's natural, wipes out the plant that wipes it all out. I'm not scared of tsunami or hurricanes, but the nuke plant as one does "local" fixable damage another permanent and wide spread. Why take the risk as this article points out we are not immune here? (I thought we were seriously. Our Ocean is almost always calm up here besides some nasty storms.)


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          • weeman

            Bones I am with you all the way, I don't want these death machines on our plant,
            La Palma in the canary islands was to collapses, the wave would be 100,s of feet high and swamp the east coast of America, in Hawaii one of the islands has a crack running through and studies of sea floor show previous collapse, if it collapses and it will someday the wave could be over 1000 ft tall and race towards California at 500 miles a hour.

            By the way tsfw I was not questioning ontologicals post, I was just surprised that administration posted this article.

            When you say shutdown these plants in adverse weather, you know there is not a immediate off switch and if you shut plant down and you still lose cooling it will still meltdown.
            We will never always agree on everything, that is human but we have a common goal and I am with you to the end. We fight the good fight together.
            peace and harmony to you and all enenewsers this holiday season.


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      • Foggyworld

        Obewan, I live in the Kill Zone of Oyster Creek and have worked on that one for two decades. I learned so much that when Fukushima hit Japan I felt instantly that it would somehow hit the world.

        John Donne was so right when he said "No man is an island ….."


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  • tsfw tsfw

    Weeman I'm not an expert and you could very well be right for all I know, but why do people react to brainstorming that way? I believe Ontological even started his sentence with PERHAPS. This site is about everything that PERHAPS could be linked to Fukushima. I for one am glad the folks in here examine all POSSIBILITIES. You would encourage someone to do the same if they were trying to uncover any other stone. But name the stone radiation or Fukushima, and people want you to be as narrow minded as they are.


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  • tsfw tsfw

    Thanks and same to you. This situation sucks regardless of differing opinions over the details. I hope you and yours have a healthy new year.


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  • Just wait until they get a 200 footer.. Archeologists have unearthed a jumble of tree trunks at the 200 foot level on the East coast where a huge tsunami came inland and swept up all trees to that level, before receding.

    Probably caused by a volcano collapse into the ocean, or a meteorite, or huge earthquake under the ocean..

    No nuclear plant is ready for that.. period.


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  • Bones Bones

    Wow, this is amazing information. Seriously. I live on the Eastern Seaboard (E. PA) and I've felt booms so bad that they rattle the windows in the basement. Only when I'm doing coal was this and the rest of the house I've never heard it, but I'd hear a huge boom and the windows then rattle. (Spaced a bit apart and lasting maybe an hr. I thought it was mining.) I thought it was mining or something, but perhaps it could have been this? It certainly was in summer and only about two days and the second much less but still could hear it. (Heard before but not nearly as booming, but basement windows would rattle like the coal shoot one.) Is there anyone from the Mid-Atlantic who heard the booms underground too? Could be 100% totally unrelated, but just wondering if anyone else had that? They died down and haven't heard one in a long time now. Again, no clue if they are related, but perhaps I'm not the only one. It's hard to catch it as you have to be in the basement the moment it happens and I do my coal mid-afternoon. It's not powerful enough to be heard above ground.


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    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

      Bones there have been the sounds you describe around the world recently. This website often has videos so you can hear them. I only did a basic search for the east coast, you may try narrowing it down. You can use the Where to? section to naivagte around the site. http://strangesounds.org/?s=strange+sounds&submit=Search


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      • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

        I only check this site occasionaly, so not sure about it.


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        • Bones Bones

          Thanks MH, I'll go check that out. Yea, I have no idea what it was that caused it, but it was strong enough to rattle the little window for the coal shute. Thanks for the link!


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          • Bones Bones

            MH, ok saw the site and it is not like those weird sounds. It would be like a bomb exploding underground for mining or something and that kind of boom only heard when in the ground itself and that is why I thought mining. Enough OT, but thank you very much. Either way, these stories, my experience, just show how little we really know about what the Earth may do or what is historical for certain areas despite such a long calm period. We simply cannot predict what the Earth will do and without that ability, you can't ever say a nuke plant is safe. Interesting post and I didn't hear about this either!


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            • Bones Bones

              So, the East Coast is susceptible to tsunamis, earthquakes (Which at that early in the morning I forget, check the past 3 years for eq's just like the one near North Anna. No place is safe for a nuke plant and there is evidence. Cold hard facts to refute the liars.

              Merry Christmas all and maybe, just maybe, enjoy what you got for a little despite the…words can't describe it, and take a break. I know I need a break as all this insane news builds up and you need to take a break every now and then. It's good for the soul. Pray you all have a wonderful fulfilling Christmas and thank you all for all that you do here, especially those members (You know who you are.) and the staff! See you all in 2014!


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  • harengus_acidophilus

    Merry x-mas all around .

    By the way: I think, things go really worse in fuku, because we don't have any informations (did we ever have …?) about what's going on. Just emotionally enriched "old news".

    "If there is an elephant in the room,
    maybye you should release the mice!"

    h.


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  • Speedy Speedy

    To everyone here….A very Merry Christmas and a happy New Year..take this time to give a special hug to your loved ones. Try not to cry, they will not understand..I've got grandkids that, in their little minds, life is great, especially this time of year. I would not want to change that..but I will steal an extra hug this year. Peace be with you…


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  • Vorith

    I used to hear muffled explosions here off Cape Cod Massachusetts back in the 90's. But all this is either the Agenda and haarp and or backlash from geo engineering. Or it's the sun… or, perhaps, something really is inbound.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "NOAA said continental shelf may have slumped, now suspects ‘atmospheric event’"
    Slumped..does that mean it's sinking?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Rutgers..huh..ya.. they might know a little something..

    The Practicality of Geoengineering – Welcome | Rutgers, The State

    http://control2.net/t/the-practicality-of-geoengineering—welcome-%7C-rutgers,-the-state-w6274.html


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "undersea landslide in the Hudson Canyon."

    Geological data for New Jersey

    http://www.state.nj.us/dep/njgs/

    Pretty good place for a 'slump'.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Look at all the faults..faulting along the shoreline in the immediate area..
    Look at the abandoned mines..wonder what they sound like collapsing?
    .


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    'Slumping' how so..?
    From what point to what point?
    How much area?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Slumpy slumpy…slinky slinky …same same.


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  • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    I'm waiting 'till the really big chunks of ice start sliding in the ocean's.. fun for everyone..not..


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  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    A 6 foot wave is hardly news. How many here from the east coast? You must get waves this big, and bigger, somewhat regularly don't you? I see 'high surf' warnings on NOAA for the New York, Boston, New England coat areas whenever there are 'nor easters' blowing about the place.


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  • Sol Man

    I enjoy the times when I hear music in my dreams.
    Merry Christmas to all!


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  • tsfw tsfw

    St Paul a Tsunami isn't so much about the hieght of the wave, but the force of the water behind it. I'm sure someone here can explain that with more technical acuity. A six foot wave and six foot tsunami are different events.


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  • Socrates

    In Germany after 60 European studies implicated nuclear power plants in leukemia and solid tumors in children, the Greens forced the other political parties to abandon nuclear energy. Here is the USA both D's and Rs want nuclear energy. We do not have a parliamentary system where coalition governments must be formed.

    It's a winner take all type of thing. Nuclear wins every time.

    I have a single issue and neither party supports it so Jill Stein or Ralph Nader gets my wasted vote.

    These NPP s are sitting ducks. How it happens is not the issue. Murphy's Law prevails over all other laws. If it cannot happen, it will.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Exactly the key point…"it will" happen! :(


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  • Socrates

    Both major political parties are holding our heads under water with nuclear energy. Any major event will duplicate a Fukushima Double-whammy.

    The Greens must force the donkeys and elephants to get rid of the biggest security threat there is. America forces us to choose the Lesser of two evils. Even the lesser supports nuclear. Excuse.me, why am I voting for the destruction of the planet?


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  • http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Grand_Banks_earthquake

    HAARPs are being used all the time. Solstice, eclipses, mega events, typhoons, move the planet around like play-dough. Something has to be used nearly all the time, especially with sensitive areas like Deepwater Horizon & Bayou Corne etc..


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  • jec jec

    The relatively unexpected and small 6 ft wave, is 12 foot top to bottom and when it hit shallow water, so watch out. It was the suddenness of the wave that got people in trouble. Offshore one sometimes sees MONSTER wave in a regular storm wave pattern. No one knows WHY and those types of waves sometimes sink ships. Wonder if the NJ nuclear plant has plans for this kind of surge.

    Canary Islands, still just a time bomb. El Herro is also sending up tremors in its latest eruptions.


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  • To those of you who were following us back in May/June of 2013 – you know that we issued the first ever Tsunami Risk Advisory Alert in May (for this time frame, specifically around June 2, 2013 – which we then extended as we knew that due to the built up energy from solar events in Mid May , this had increased the risk dramatically for a tsunami event in the North Atlantic) (that I still keep on the "manager's choice" here for those who were not yet following us.) The most ridiculous part of this is that NO media attention was given to this event when the 6 ft Tsunami wave hit the NJ coast – was it because we had warned of this in advance and no one wanted to give the attention of what we predicted and the risk we advised of? Thank you to the media outlets who FINALLY published this information…it only took a few weeks (and then months) for additional media outlets to make mention of this event, which was first disclosed through a small town media outlet in Cape Cod….(absurd!), anywhere else in the world this would have been on the front page the day after it happened – we can only hope that in the future (as we are predicting the increased risk of a similar event in spring of next year again in the Atlantic), more will listen to our advisories! Thank you to our Advanced Forecasting Technologies partnership (specifically Dr. Simon Atkins) for providing this crucial and critical information. We will update more as we deem appropriate for potential events in Spring 2014.


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  • Socrates

    If beach areas are showing high reading in California, it is reasonable to assume that the radiation from Fukushima has arrived.

    Here we have the power of common observation showing the first canary in the coal mine.

    Planet of the Apes meet the Golden State.


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  • ftlt

    Every weather event on here is HAARP.

    Remember, those knobs who thought the 3/11 EQ&T was a HAARP event. HAHAHA All backup from strange questionable sources and websites.

    The globe has always been constantly involved in natural events that threaten our lives and even our social order.

    The Bottleneck of Event 70,000 BC, The Bronze Age Collapse 1150 BC: – 500 year collaspe in the ancient world; 535 – 542 AD – A Worldwide Weather Event – insured the Dark Ages permanency and the rise of Islam and Mongols; the Medieval Warming Period – the Mongol's bloom in Eurasia; The Little Ice Age, The Black Death (a worldwide event) and the rise of the Burgher Class in Europe and later the Renaissance.

    We are due for a natural major weather event – if the past is prologue. One that will kill billions – as we are living geometrically far beyond a stress loaded carrying capacity of the planet.

    And don't forget the FUFUs/other pollution, Water Depletion, Technological Events = War/other and MAN-MADE Climate Change that seem all but certain to cause a collapse of civilization as we know it – perhaps even worse.

    HAARP is a low-end cyber-dwelling-worry-wart "questionable maybe" also ran to these problems, both natural and man made, that threaten us – AT BEST!

    Quite interested in the 1150 BC and the 535 numbers. Some feel this may be a clockwork event. Do the math – it gives us 200 years or so before a global collapse that would cut the world's population by 3/4 at…


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    • ftlt

      So much in the comments here is far too myopic… Too often, based on information from questionable cyber sources and half baked media edited blurbs…

      HAARP is the poster child of this type of thinking IMO..

      If HAARP really is a powerful force.. Then it better get in line with a whole bunch of other powerful forces that are threatening our lives and planet…

      And guess what, FUFU needs to get in line too.. There are plenty of other E.L.E-s coming our way and soon if we don't change ways..


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      • artika rama

        FuFu is not coming our way , it already IS here. The problemn is that , not everyone can see it . Its the invisible dragon as one japanese prof put it . Its a silent killer.


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        • ftlt

          Arti: Of course, it is horrible…. I would not be here if it was not the biggest on one spot problem in the world today..

          Still, there are many other things besides this nuclear horror that are terribly wrong..

          Like the car you are a slave to..

          Or your next "deserved and earned" exotic destination vacation on a Big Bird..

          Bottled water from Europe… Fresh specialty veggies/fruits from S. America or the tropics.. The 150 pounds plus of meat a year we consume..

          Or the endless wars for profit of the few – that are sweeping the planet to insure its unchecked exploitation and our continued descent into global catastrophe…

          Yes, FUFU is the classic example of what is wrong – But, it is not all that is wrong..


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  • Styxhexenhammer666 Styxhexenhammer666

    Odd that I didn't see this on any mainstream media outlet either online or on TV.

    Oh wait, that's not odd at all.


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