Special Edition: Exactly what happened at Fukushima is going on at NJ nuclear plant, except now reactor is in refueling -Gundersen (AUDIO)

Published: October 31st, 2012 at 12:51 am ET


Special Edition Podcast: After Hurricane Sandy – Questions and Answers About What Happened, Oct. 30, 2012 at 9:00p ET:

Host: […] What if the reactor were running in that type of situation?

Nuclear Expert Arnie Gundersen, Fairewinds Energy Education: That would be worse case scenario.

If Oyster Creek wasn’t in a refueling and this tidal surge hit, it’s exactly what happened at Fukushima Daiichi at that point.

You’ve lost off-site power and you can’t cool the nuclear reactor because these pumps were flooded.

We can all be thankful that the plant was in a refueling outage.

Full program here

Published: October 31st, 2012 at 12:51 am ET


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81 comments to Special Edition: Exactly what happened at Fukushima is going on at NJ nuclear plant, except now reactor is in refueling -Gundersen (AUDIO)

  • Zombie_Planet

    So now…
    It appears that the chickens have come home to roost.

    Fukushima was getting boring and, now we have, a new contender within the ring of disastrous global death… with the USA… the birth place of global death reactor technology.

    Sit back with a bucket of popcorn and a cold drink and lets watch the show.

    All admission fees have been wavered.

    Is the Pale Horse in a full gallop yet?

    • ephemerexfleur ephemerexfleur

      gold star.

      i've been glued to my box for hours now waiting for the next dramatic scene to unfold. the suspense is killing me!

    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      I don't know who should be "bored" by Fukushima – certainly not me.

      • ephemerexfleur ephemerexfleur

        i have friends who "don't want to hear about it" and "would rather talk about happy things" when i bring up fukushima. not sure if that's ennui or denial speaking…

        • lam335 lam335

          Most of my friends/relatives believe that Fukushima has been "over" for months. They look incredulous and slightly amused when I suggest that it is still a problem and we should all still be very concerned about it.

          • PurpleRain PurpleRain

            ephemerexfleur and Iam335 — I'm right there with you. No one want to hear or face any of the news or events about anything at all to do with nuclear or radiation or fukushima, etc. Do you think this might have anything to do with any 'media blackout'… maybe the news agencies just know that people close their ears and close their eyes. I don't understand it at all. I just can't comprehend why people prefer to remain in the dark on this topic.

            • krugthecaveman krugthecaveman

              I have the same experience when I try to talk to ANY adult. Family thinks I'm a nut. Sheeple keep being sheeple forever.

        • harengus_acidophilus

          I've made the same experience.

          "Don't tell nasty things, take a look at the bright side!"
          (Sounds like "Life of Brian")

          It's so stupid. What would they say if I bring to their notice:
          "Your house is burning!"

          Maybe: "Please, talk about nice things,
          we don't want to hear bad news!"


        • moonshellblue moonshellblue

          That great river denial some never leave the comfort of the water until it's too late. Concerning Oyster Creek Nuke Plant, now we should seize this moment to end nuclear madness. IMHO

  • Jebus Jebus

    Isn't this basically what IS happening at Salem NPP?
    Scram and dump…

  • durando durando

    Please correct my dot connection if I'm wrong but didn't they say they can't use the backup generators to cool the spf.

    Isn't there a fresh hot load in the spf.

    By now wouldn't the spf be boiling possibly on fire?

    • Karnage

      From my understanding is that the cooling system for the fuel pool is completely different from the main reactor cooling system. The said that the main pumps would be drowned in water, and thus rendering them useless. They stated they could use fire hoses, but as stated earlier the water goes in, and what goes out.

      The best way I found to explain it was,

      You have a pot of water on the stove. Imagine you cant control the stove heat (Reactor which constantly burns at 7% power). The water starts to boil. Yes it produces steam, but not fast enough, so it starts to boil out. You add a garden hose to the boiling water to replace the hot water in the container. The water mixes as its supposed to, but leaks out all over the stove and floor.

      Eventually your whole kitchen is flooded, and you have to leave due to safety issues.

      This is how i have been able to explain it to people at work.

      • durando durando

        Nice analogy I may have to borrow it. But I hope we are both wrong I just wonder if we are right how long before something undeniable and visible happens to the plant.

      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        Does anyone know why they do not use submersible pumps? I don't know how expensive they are but I think it is worth the investment if you must have these damn nuclear power plants. NO NUKES

        • patb2009

          submersible pumps are real expensive to buy and operate. Lots of seals, lots of leak paths,

          seems easier to place all the pumps on the second floor of the buildings.

        • Sol Man

          Redundancy with submersibles would be essentially free compared to what they (we all) are forced to deal with soon or now.
          Sorry, the budget doesn't allow any epdm weather-proof seals for breaker boxes or submersible back-ups!

          We face the high prospects of complete demise when some insist on bigger bonuses for the mucky-mucks and ignore basic common sense safety issues.

    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      Durando…short answer: That's what I heard!

      • PurpleRain PurpleRain

        There was a comment buried inside another statement that was made on MSNBC about one fire (not said where) that was known about and was in-the-process of being put out. The person never said where. ( think it was Christy making the comment). It was nothing definitive, very vague, but it did make me raise my eyebrows.

      • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

        They don't refer to this problem or any other, not because we don't want to hear bad news, because we would be after them with pitchforks if they told the truth (even though most of us do know the truth). Old mealy mouth has not ever said a word regarding this. On the other hand, the MSM smiles and discusses cute animals on the evening news. We need a Kafka to speak.

  • Karnage

    I believe that it is to late for the world. I do not wish to encourage fear mongering, but I believe that we have bit to many bullets in to short amount of time. I can only hope that people wake up soon, and we can stop a lot of the damage.


    There has been enough released to cause noticeable genetic mutations within the next 5 years. I can only pray for those that will be affected first, as I hope that we do not segregate the contaminated people, and revert back to a middle age time period.

  • Cindy

    Basically Arnie said, that if the reactor had fuel in it , it would be the same as fukushima , and thank goodness that it was empty due to refueling …
    (so it's not the same )

    Cooling the spent fuel pool is a different matter …

    • Max1 Max1

      So instead of a R1, R2, or R3 scenario we have a R4, instead…

      • durando durando

        With a lot more spent fuel….

      • patb2009

        well said.

        The advantage is R4 blew up after 1 and 3 had the staff all discombobulated.

        Here, they've had some time to psychologically prepare for the storm, evacuation, SCRAM,

        Hopefully the Diesels are running, and hopefully they are running makewater through the fire fighting system.

        Spit and Bailing wire, and defintitely radiation leakage, but if they can contain 99%, the 1% is only a few thousand people dying.

  • They shut down Kewaunee nuke plant last week. It no longer made economic sense….and that is for a clunker plant that they couldn't even sell for $200M. But the "new" plants cost $14 BILIION.

    Of course nuke no longer makes economic sense. By trying to make them even partly acceptably safe, they become so expensive that their return on investment is a joke, in the range of 1.66% annually, AFTER waiting ten years and having your money at risk since 50% of these plants just default and never go into production.

    What rational investor wants that deal? None.

    No one wants nuke, except those that extract profits while externalizing the future years costs, and accidents. Kill nuke, kill nuke now. Put a nail in the coffin of nuke. Nuke sucks.

    Check this German report on Fukushima and the levels of corruption.


  • guezilla

    Magnitude 9 earthquake, 6 meter tsunami and a triple melt-down are going on at Oyster Creek? Really, Gundersen? I have to doubt esteemed Gundresen's assessment on this, but we'll learn for sure soon enough I suppose. The anti-nuclear movement already suffers from a chicken-little (or "boy who cried wolf") syndrome, and I can't see this kind of emphasis helping. (And I should note the "time to break out the popcorn" comments aren't really doing a favor either).

    The power outage was fully expected, and they seem to have been well prepared for that. Losing water intake during a hurricane is also kind-of predictable, and possible to get around easy enough for irradiated fuel pool purposes.
    Of course the spokesman statement about "multiple, redundant" systems but he couldn't tell if they were operative or not nor being bale to name anything else than firehoses didn't really feel me with confidence.

    Personally I'd be much, much more worried about Salem I, where we're looking at the very least controlled release of radioactivity, likely much more. So they decided to run at full power and waited until all but two water intakes got clogged before initiating a scram, then lost the last two? Lunacy, I say, and while it may be a design basis accident, it's not something you'll normally ever get to test out in practice.

    • lam335 lam335

      You haven't read/interpreted what he said accurately. He said "IF Oyster Creek wasn’t in a refueling [sic] and this tidal surge hit," THEN in that case the situation would be "what happened at Fukushima Daiichi at THAT point"

      The wording in messy and imprecise because it doesn't use the conditional tense consistently but shifts into simple present tense, but he is clearly describing a hypothetical situation–IF x hadn't been the case, THEN y would be the case.

      IF fuel had been burning in the reactor at full power, it would have been at its full temperature intensity (as it was at Fukushima), but because it was undergoing refueling, he says it was at "less than one percent of what it would have been if [the reactor] were operating."

      As was the case at Fukushima, Oyster Creek lost its "ultimate heat sink" pumps that supply water for the cooling system to work. IF fuel had been burning in the reactor at its full temperature intensity, then in that case, a meltdown would have been unavoidable just as it was at Fukushima.

      Moreover, if you listen to the full discussion, he goes on to say that "all of the pre-cursor events" (which he later rephrases as "the two precursor incidents" that happened at Fukushima also occurred at Oyster Creek–he identifies these "pre-cursor events" as 1. loss of off-site power and 2. loss of the ultimate heat sink that is necessary for the cooling system to run.

      • lam335 lam335

        The combination of those two developments were what made the melt-downs at Fukushima inevitable. Your emphasis on the unique particulars of the Fukushima event distracts attention away from the technical vulnerabilities that characterize MANY nuclear plants. Those widespread technical vulnerabilities are what Gundersen is drawing attention to here.

        A tsunami wave caused by a large earthquake is not necessary to take out the (non-submersible) cooling pumps at a nuclear plant. A dam breaking could just as easily do so. Or, in the case of Oyster Creek and Salem, a hurricane-induced tidal surge and/or the debris that is carried along with such a surge can just as effectively stop them from working.

        The problem with fixating on the particulars of Fukushima (earthquake/tsunami) is that it lulls one into a complacency that says that unique combination of events won't happen again (or won't happen here). But those particular events don't have to occur to make a melt-down inevitable. The simple combination of loss of on-site power and loss of the ultimate heat sink (cooling pumps) is all that is needed (if fuel is burning in the reactor at full capacity when it occurs), and that combination of technical problems can be induced by a variety of contingent causes. But as AG states very clearly, we were fortunate in this instance because fuel was NOT burning in the reactor at full capacity, and as a result were were spared a melt-down scenario akin to what happened in…

        • lam335 lam335

          … as a result were were spared a melt-down scenario akin to what happened in Japan.

          • patb2009

            iam or is it ian?

            i would say,

            "If the unit were at full Power, we would be more akin to Salem".

            certainly your point is well taken, fixating on the initiating events rather then the failure modes is the problem.

            Yes a large/ Quake and tsunami are decadal events for the Pacific, but, what we really had at Fuku were Station Blackout (SBO), Loss of coolant (LOCA) and later Accidental Transient without Shutdown (ATWS).

            At Oyster Creek we see a SBO that is one diesel away, and we see LOCA at Oyster crrek and Salem.

            all we need is a failed Diesel, and we are at Fuku 4 and at salem Fuku 1.

            Venting Steam is a very abnormal event and reflects that they are now on the safety systems. I wouldn't doubt they've activated the core spray system and the emergency feedwater,

            i would suggest people start doing portable counts.

        • guezilla

          There's many points to address, but I'm not that fazed/bored, and it has been addressed before. I'll just point again to the Japanese parliamentary inquiry summarized at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18718057 which found the Fukushima accident "profoundly man-made disaster". This is code for "intentional and planned", although the inevitable conspiracy theories are a matter for another forum.
          With regards to the inquiry conclusions, 'The disaster "could and should have been foreseen and prevented" and its effects "mitigated by a more effective human response", it said.'

          Beyond that, Salem 1 lost their main feedwater, Nine Mile Point an Indian Point effectively off-site power all at 100% power, but I'm not anticipating another Fukushima. Nor is anybody calling them that, just Oyster Creek which indeed due to being in cold shutdown has the least probability of spontaneously exploding.

        • Radio VicFromOregon

          Iam335, i agree. It has been very difficult for the nuclear industry to take the lessons learned from one event and apply them to another. I think most of the engineers can do this, but they don't make the decisions on where and what to build, which pumps to install, etc. Upper management and the owners do that and these are not always nuclear savvy. But, for many engineers, there is an underlying belief within the industry that they have built these plants to maximum safety. I think that they can not adequately do a risk assessment because of their faith in themselves as much as anything else. A person can look for as many differences between Fukushima and Oyster Creek as similarities and pronounce "All is well" because a superstorm and flooding river are not a megaquake and tsunami. Yet, flooding is still flooding and loss of cooling pumps is still loss of cooling pumps. Convincing such resistant people is an art form.

      • guezilla

        Actually, I'm commenting mainly based on ENENews headline of "Exactly what happened at Fukushima is going on at NJ nuclear plant, except now reactor is in refueling", I'm not sure if that can be found word-to-word in the podcast, but I'm addressing the general community including ENENews admin as much as Gundersen.

        As an aside, as I pointed out before, the standard operating procedure during a refueling break is to replace only some of the fuel, typically one third or so, unless inspection or repairs are needed. It's more than likely some of the fuel still remains in the reactor core, although the 25 hour time to SPF boil indicates SPF is pretty fully too.

        Latest entry from NRC:
        * * * UPDATE on 10/30/12 at 0414 EDT FROM GILBERT DEVRIES TO RYAN ALEXANDER * * *

        The licensee updated this report with an 8-hour non-emergency notification of emergency diesel generator auto-actuation due to the actual loss of off-site power event [which occurred at 2018 EDT on 10/29/2012]. This event caused a valid RPS actuation with automatic containment isolations that resulted in a temporary loss of shut-down cooling to the reactor. Shutdown cooling was subsequently restored with power provided by the emergency diesel generators.

        I'm not happy with "subsequently restored", with no information on how long it was off. I'm also perplexed that by my reading they seem to be saying automatic protection systems shut off cooling, calling it a "valid response". I call it…

        • Radio VicFromOregon

          Well, headlines are often misleading. You can address Gundersen directly at fairewinds.org. Send him an email. I hear he is very good about getting back to people to talk about nuclear power generation issues, etc. You will find him to be a very respectful, open man willing to learn from others.

        • lam335 lam335

          I agree with you that the ENENEWS headline is misleading. It initially makes it sound as if a Fukushima situation is in fact going on at Oyster Creek, whereas Gundersen very clearly emphasizes that, because the fuel was not running in the reactor, the "Fukushima pre-cursor events" that he mentions did not lead to a similar melt-down situation.

    • Radio VicFromOregon

      guezilla, what are your reasons for always dissing Arnie Gundersen? Really, i'd like to know why i should follow your lead and distrust this man so much. Do you have someone else you would prefer I go to for technical insight? A better, more informed, more articulate nuclear expert turned whistleblower? I belong to different antinuclear organizations and they recommend Arnie Gundersen for his knowledge, his courage and his dedication. Maybe you can refer me to a better resource?

      • guezilla

        I believe that was the first time I even addressed Gundersen's comments (and that's because I don't usually have anything to add). Though I had another look at my posting as to why it garnered such a storm of objections, and I guess it came out sounding quite condescending, which wasn't my intent at all. Also, I'll 'fess up to not having listened to the original audio, there's far too much audio and video with mostly small-talk on the internet to really get into. At some point we have to trust those bringing them to us to be able to capture their gist, which it apparently has.

        Anyway I had this floating around for a while, but unfortunately only now got to actually reading it. Turns out it's exactly what I was warning about: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-30/nuclear-power-industry-passes-readiness-test They paraphrase Gundersen, then an Exelon spokesman calling it unequivocally false, with the reporter effectively concluding since no core meltdown happened, nuclear industry has proven itself. Of course, you can get biased journalism anywhere, but I happen to think they've got rather good point when it's framed as comparison to Fukushima.

  • Sickputer

    I'll agree this Forum headline may be designed for maximum attention value, but the full quote dissolves Arnie of being deceptive IMHO.

    Looking at the bigger picture and I mean the BIG picture I think Fukushima and Frankenstorm teaches naked apes it's stupid to play in the lower branches of the tree when a stormy day arrives.

    In other words… If you are going to spend billions on electrical plants and subways then they should be built with watertight features to survive any possible flood hazard from the biggest tsunami to the biggest tidal storm surge and the spring flooding of rivers.

    They just don't get it yet, but when they blow a Fukushima-class NPP in America (and it will happen in the future) the things they could prevent will become a public outrage. Of course even billion dollar dikes around NPPs and subway systems at present don't seem economically feasible, but it just takes one Fukushima to pay for them 100-fold.

    Water hardening is a big safety issue, but the perfect storm that screwed Japan was also accompanied by a massive earthquake. The jury is out on whether subway and nuclear plant architects can design sufficient defenses to prevent catastrophic failure from 9.0 earthquakes.

    • guezilla

      It's not necessarily right (and by that statement we enter deeply into philosophy-land) but today everything is about cost/benefit calculations. Especially in engineering. If some accident that would cost 1000 million has 0.1% chance of happening per year costs more than 1 million/year to prevent, then it's not worth preventing.
      And as long as the value of human life is considered less than third of an energy company CEO's yearly compensation, that equation is going to come out poorly for the little people. Let alone the fact that humans with their few decades long perspective and usually at most half century proper records are terrible at estimating actual probabilities. And the price of prevention is often considered up front, as financially required, and not properly amortized over the lifetime of the investment.
      Others will point the probability calculation should simply not be done, that even 0.0001% is too high a probability for something like that. But things like a large meteor strike stand to wipe out all humanity at once, if we ignore probability then risks of nuclear power won't be anywhere near the first page of existential risks. If we go by estimated realized fatalities, then things like cars with their 1.25 million fatalities each and every year ought to be outlawed in an instant. And sex kills more people than war 🙂 So even beyond finances, our acceptance of different risks is some function of probability and convenience.

      • Karnage

        Very good way to look at our impending doom i suppose. Until the big man realizes he is a little man then we all get the hose.

        History repeating itself, except this time we have done more damage to the earth.

        I remember reading about 30 life cycles before things return to normal….gonna start seeing mutated lifeforms before you know it.

        We were warned many years ago. Ninja turtles showed us the effects of radiation. In turtles II they had a radioactive waste plant, and the dandelions were mutated and extremely large. Unfortunately in the movie they could "Dispose" of radiation, and this sadly does not exist.

      • gladys a milyon gladys a milyon

        You're a jackass

  • sunpower

    I agree with Iam335 and the Puter. Arnie isn't trying to deceive anyone, he is consistently warning of the dangers should the grids stay down and backup power be insufficient to cool everything. Then it would be like Fukushima. According to Arnie who is a nuke insider who has operated plants, the auxiliary cooling of the SFP's was not designed due to cost of extra generators. It was built in that the pools would be saved by restoration of the grid power. Unless this is untrue, you cannot pretend Arnie is trying to deceive us.
    My take on Arnie is he honorably realized from what he saw and knew that he had a duty to warn the public about the nuke industry. He is no friend of the internet free discussion forae though preferring to pretend we don't deal in facts, but you have to remember he was a team player for the other side and does not realize we are his friends out here fighting the nukes. The fact is this is Arnie's only blind spot because the citizens monitoring these events are the ones providing radiation readings that are honest. Arnie is sort of smart but he is not as smart as Terra Hertz who posts here. I feel he is a decent enough guy for what he is doing unpaid out of duty to warn the public.
    Don't obfuscate the message, guezilla. If a US site barbecues, I doubt anyone will think the Cassandras and us Enenewsers were wrong to warn the public. As we all know, it is past time to bury this insane industry once an for all before it destroys our…

  • sunpower

    uh, health, wealth, and happiness. And I also agree with Vic from Oregon about Arnie, whatever Arnie might say about ME, heh heh.

  • WindorSolarPlease

    Just Shut Them ALL Down!!!
    No More Risk Taking With The Environment and The Public!!!!

    Get rich off of Solar, Wind, or Something Safer.

    Were does your big money come from. Is it from the energy they give, or from the ingredients for the making of weapons?

    I don't know how to stop the money flow to these Monster Plants
    They don't listen to the public, they listen to the smell of profits.

    They forget they and their families will be smelling more than profits, along with us.

  • WindorSolarPlease

    Personally, I am concerned about the plants that got hit by Sandy. I believe we are at a high risk.

    I think Mr. Gundersen believes Nuclear Power works when they follow all the guidelines, changing things to make things work safer, and keeping things up to date.

    I look at it as, even a well oiled plant can cause massive destruction. Price is to high to pay.
    Even a little spewing and the waste it causes, is too much for me.

    I welcome his views, information, his simple way of explaining things, and his testing's. He knows there are dangers, and has been warning us. He is also a whistle blower, and is Walking a Fine Line to get the truth out. He has been one of the professionals who has been vocal.

    We need professionals in this area to speak out, I encourage them.

    Thank you Mr. Gundersen

  • ForwardAssist ForwardAssist

    I live almost within sight of the Salem NPP. Salem Units 1 and 2 share the same site with Hope Creek Unit 1. Three units on one site, we all know how stupid that concept is.

    If something happens at that plant it will likely develop a rage in me that I will carry for the rest of my life.

    Oh yeah, local news coverage is virtually non-existent.

    • Sickputer

      Wow…I am not really happy 100 miles from Comanche Peak. So I can imagine your angst at living next door to a leaky extinction factory.

      Hope you have a good safe room and charcoal masks. When it blows wait until the wind shifts away and then drive like a bat out of hell until you get 1,000 miles west. Look at this map to help choose a sanctuary:


      • Sickputer

        On second look at the map…maybe drive 1700 miles southwest from Jersey and stop at Dalhart or Amarillo, Texas. That way you will be somewhat buffered by the Rockies from Fukushima fallout and still over 300 miles from Glen Rose,Texas (Comanche Peak). The Jetstream also favors Texas:


        Right now the jetstream is big mess. Giant double-tined arrow piercing into Iowa and down through Missouri and Arkansas. I have no idea what that round dot near Texarkana represents. Weird. You can really see how the northern hemisphere countries are all very much intertwined for air pollution. It's a big world and yet in some ways a very small world.

        The Intellicast color map of the USA:


        BTW… Happy Halloween and make note that we are now officially in Day 600 of the continuing Fukushima Universal Karma Erasing Dogma. FUKED for short.

        • krugthecaveman krugthecaveman

          I live in Colorado and I don't feel safe anywhere anymore

        • WindorSolarPlease

          Hi Sickputer

          I realize North America is getting the fallout, and there is no safe area here.
          With all that has happened with Fukushima, the Gulf Disaster, Louisiana Sinkhole, Sandy, is Dalhart or Amarillo, Texas the safest area in the US or are there other area's also?
          I would think coastlines is not the best area to be.
          Thank You.
          Happy Halloween also

          • jump-ball jump-ball

            Can I interject that we have decided to shelter-in-place from radiation fallout by staying in desert cities CA where our local annual precipitation is less than 2" with 360 clear days per year? This year so far there have been only 4 rainy days during which I avoided my daily 3-4 hour road biking. We tell ourselves the jetstream is passing us by, San Onofre NPPs to our west are idle and won't reopen, leaving my only remaining concern that I am possibly biking half the day down hot particle road.

          • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

            Much of Texas is already contaminated by the cone of fall out from our above ground nuclear testing.. there is a map of sickness, cancer, that WHO has that covers much of Texas.. you may not get the fallout from Fuku but, you will have rads in the ground.

            • Sickputer

              True… So much of the central and eastern US got a lot of atomic tests that blew with the prevailing westerlies. Also lots of fallout from Pantex weapons plant in Amarillo. Add in Los Alamos and the research lab there and nuclear waste storage.

              So it's kind of a wash compared to higher latitudes. But I still think the fresh fallout from Japan is very bad and it's better to have less jetstream action.

          • WindorSolarPlease

            Maybe it's time we get to know our Country's environment, in where the area's are the Worse..Terrible..Bad..to live at. Especially, since most of us can't move to South of the Equator.

    • richard richard

      Hi ForwardAssist, I hope you and yours are faring well through it all.

      I see you comment the local news is non-existant.

      Is anyone able to travel that way and check the situation?

      Do you or anyone have a dosimeter?

      In all fairness to the engineers we may be getting over anxious, or maybe not?

      There is this report, for what it's worth.

      "The NRC report for Salem nuclear plant gives no new information. Unit 1 lost access to the ultimate heat sink (the river) as the intakes became clogged with debris and rising river water. All 6 “condenser circulators” were eventually lost and the auxilary feedwater pumps and the venting of non-reactor water steam to the atmosphere was used to deal with the rapid shutdown and cooling of the reactor. There is no further report if Salem unit 1 is still using emergency systems to cool the reactor or if they have managed to regain access to the ultimate heat sink (the river) to cool the reactor."


  • Junge the foreman prayed at work,
    That neither hands or limbs would burst,
    It's so hard to keep formation,
    In this fall-out saturation.
    Cursing at the Astro-net,
    That stands in steel by his cabinet,
    He's stepping out with Sylvyan,
    Bureau supply for aging men…

  • Sol Man

    A valid reason to stop the push for NPP forever is we are approaching a point in time when all beings that come into the world will be mutated by the increased radiation.

    So we must STOP the insanity!

    Let us begin our Apollo Project push to life-sustaining means for generating the power we need to thrive!

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      "Let us begin our Apollo Project push to life-sustaining means for generating the power we need to thrive!"
      Words of Wisdom from Sol Man. Many thanks.
      There is a vast Solar System around us with plenty of energy for the needs of puny humanity. Solar, wind, tidal, wave, hydro, and geothermal are just a few. Our pursuit of fracking, off-shore drilling, and nuclear has already dimished the planet. Let's turn to alterntives before the planet turns on us!

      • voltscommissar

        It's here now. Typing right now on my off-grid solar powered laptop here in beautiful downtown Melbourne Australia (overcast, raining). Battery storage = "No worries, mate!"

        About to advertise a rental property in a nearby suburb: "No electricity bills" in other words another off-grid PV-battery-inverter system. The future has arrived, so get on board and punish the greedy monopolist electric utiltites, by withdrawing your custom.

        Now for some slogans:

        "Market bypass, the sweetest form of competition"

        "the biggest stranded asset in the deregulated energy market is you own roof"

  • Ganxet Ganxet

    i think there are 2 kind of people.
    ones are able to understand the fu..ing NPP reality.
    ones aren't ( and prefer not to underastand).

    I would like to be the second ones… but I am not.

    always the same story NPP+ no grid+ flooded = "H" explosion

  • Tung Jen Tung Jen

    Time to step up. Writing from one of the Gulf Islands off the coast of British Columbia, on leave of absence from university job in Tokyo due to PTSD. Couldn't return to the classroom without showing enenews. Two weeks in late spring in the hospital being x-rayed at every available opportunity prescribed by the doctors in checking on my asthmatic condition, serve headaches, and loss of sleep.

    Waiting for my husband to return from moving out of Japan, road trip to Belize to continue working of a perma-culture farm to set up an environmental cultural research centre.

    Enenews has been my life line to a world where I am not being told to take it easy, relax, everything is ok. Thanks!

    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      +1000 for the Truth ENEnews(-ers) brings to the global table .

    • voltscommissar

      "X-rayed at every available opportunity" 🙁 As if the nuclear pollution from Fuku is not enough, the doctors are adding to your annual milliSievert dosage. Take it easy, get medicos to justify any proposal for X-ray exposure if you are concerned about ionizing radiation, also take enenews in small doses and with a grain or two of salt.

      Even this site is not immune from anxiety-provoking hype from time to time….

    • voltscommissar

      where is "home"? A globetrotting lifestyle adds nothing to a sense of attachment to the Earth. Get a patch of ancestral lands to look after, and settle in for the long haul of wise custody. Or are you like me dispossessed of traditional lands by our modern lifestyle?

      • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        sry OT
        Hi voltscommisar
        "where is "home"? A globetrotting lifestyle adds nothing to a sense of attachment to the Earth."

        I understand what you mean , but it depends on the person and activity between travel , if you travel following ripe fruit to pick for example…your following Earth rythim , like animals do ^^ . I've used to hitchhike to south France picking winegrapes in my twenties a few times as a selfpaying vacation , …good times.

  • michellemamarn

    @Tung Jen- God bless you…

  • Tung Jen Tung Jen

    Exactly Dis.. Started out from this very island as a migrant farm worker doing a global thing, found Uni job in Japan 28 years ago. A silly canadian goose that has found a future south building a global sustainable community. I would like to offer my friends in Japan a place to go to for clean air, food, land and water.

  • Sickputer

    Kudos TJ…congrats on escaping the Land of Denial. The power brokers there are deluding themselves and others in trying to present everything as normal.

    It's not healthy mentally to worry about every drink of water and bites of food, much less the air you breathe. I fear for the people left behind in the world's largest city a mere two hour drive from the epicenter of a triple nuclear meltdown that is not under control. Not to mention the poor folks within 60 miles of the megaplex. It's a nightmare that never ends.

    Best wishes on getting 4400 miles from the disaster and eventually 7500 miles away in Belize. We are all at risk downwind all the way around the globe, but there is certainly some safety in distance.