AFP: Fukushima nuclear reactor spews steam, Japanese operator clueless about cause — Time: Scientists have not yet explained why it would start appearing

Published: September 13th, 2013 at 3:34 pm ET
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AFP, Sept. 13, 2013: Fukushima nuke plant spews vapor, Japanese operator clueless about cause […] Vapor has begun rising again from a reactor at the Fukushima nuclear power plant, more than two-and-a-half years after its core melted down, the site’s Japanese operator said. Tokyo Electric Power said it believed the steam was coming from a puddle sitting atop the reactor, but has not been able to clarify why. […] The steam appeared as TEPCO found more evidence that radioactive waste water at the plant was contaminating groundwater on its way to the sea. […]

Time, Sept. 13, 2013: Steam Spotted at Fukushima Nuclear Reactor […] More than two-and-a-half years after the plant’s core melted down in the wake of the devastating March 11, 2011, tsunami, Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) says steam has been spotted rising from a puddle sitting atop the reactor. TEPCO insists the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant remains stable, with nearby sensors showing no increase in levels of radiation. However, scientists have not yet explained why steam would started [sic] appearing intermittently since July. […]

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Published: September 13th, 2013 at 3:34 pm ET
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53 comments to AFP: Fukushima nuclear reactor spews steam, Japanese operator clueless about cause — Time: Scientists have not yet explained why it would start appearing

  • snukey

    Maybe I can spell it for them – M e l t d o w n

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    or.. "C h i n a S y n d r o m e s " !

  • weeman

    The steam started to appear at the same time ground water started to rise about a month and a half ago.
    I believe it is related, corium that was once above water, now below water, hence steam and increase in contamination in wells and Harbour.
    If so may point to partial containment, let's hope.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Weeman, I could be mistaken, but I think Nuckelchen has video posted documenting the steam issuing from the ground as far back as four or five months ago. I could be mistaken, but it has been going on for awhile.

      Things really have gotten much more severe, though, since the beginning of August. Something major there has defniitely changed.

      Here in the U.S., am seeing the NETC.com website is documenting high CPM counts all over the U.S. They have been high all this week. Others here, like Dr. Goodheart, might have a better idea how long levels have been elevated on an ongoing basis.

      Someone here (Chas Aha?) got a screenshot from June 28 showing Alert level counts on the NETC site, all over the U.S. Four or five locations, I think.

      Whatever it is, I hope we all know soon what we're dealing with. Or maybe we really don't want to know????

  • bwoodfield bwoodfield

    I'm thinking that the corium crust have given way allowing water to come in contact with the hot material. Another crust will develop and the steam will abide again.

    • weeman

      Water will never come in contact with hot corium, as a steam envelope surrounds corium on contact with water and it does not cool as fast as in air and contaminates water?
      You can only heat water to 212 dg before boil at sea level, you can heat heat air more and hence faster cooling, but you are allowing hot particles etc, to become airborne.

  • dosdos dosdos

    Hot Pockets ®

  • norbu norbu

    Clueless…somehow I am not shocked…Let me help you, when water hits something hot it makes steam, simple.
    clue·less (klls)
    adj.
    Lacking understanding or knowledge.
    clueless [ˈkluːlɪs]
    adj
    Slang helpless; stupid
    clue•less (ˈklu lɪs)
    adj.
    Informal. ignorant; uninformed.
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clueless
    ….and they are in charge?
    N

  • jec jec

    HOT from radiation….

  • UncleCrusty

    You are so wrong. It is not steam. It is food being manufactured for the Ninja phytoplankton living in the Magic Harbor that contains all the radioactive materials. Its a special formula presented by Vladimere Putin, reported by Glen Beck and explained by the Japan PM. Geeze – a little steam, an everyone goes nuts….

    On that note, time for me to unplug awhile. Getting a bit twitchie. Peace and good weekend to all.

  • bo bo

    I have a dumb question… with all this steam which may be a result of fissioning…why is radiation data that shows up on NETC alert map near fuku not as high as Boston? It seems Boston has the highest reading?

    is NETC unreliable? Or are the readings in Japan tweaked ?

    • bo bo

      Or perhaps the 'cold shutdown' due to complications @ pilgrim NPP wasn't so 'cold'

    • Sixela Sixela

      Bo,

      The warnings are all based on relative measurements. I think they reset every day, but I don't have paid access to the site to do trend analysis. You get warnings based on the deviation from the average, I assume. It can be very misleading to just go by the colors. Please below.

      This area is GREEN, but reading:
      5300
      Station ID 6:136100005 Fukushima Dai-ichi MP-5, Fukushima, JP
      nSv/h: current 5300 Low 4800 High 5900
      Average 5433, Deviation 213.9

      FUKU is black but reading:
      3100
      Station ID 6:3859995017 Fukushima Dai-ichi MP-7, Fukushima, JP
      nSv/h: current 3100 Low 3100 High 3600
      Average 3353, Deviation 115.1

      • bo bo

        I see! Thank you so much I understand better now.

      • byron byron

        NETC reports from near FUKU. The numbers do not change. Notice the round numbers? Anyone have an idea why the readings never change?

      • mopar69 mopar69

        The unit of measurement they are reporting is CPM not µSv/hr. The conversion is 100 CPM = 1 µSv/hr (approx). There are sites that collect data from armature/home users as well. My readings are always much lower than NETCs' as are most independent networks. Not to say the site is incorrect, but I take their readings with a dose of KI 😉

        • byron byron

          Thx Mopar, Some sites measure in CPM of Gamma Energy range 600 to 800. Others measure in CPM of Beta particles. How does that convert? Do I multiply the Beta particle measurements by 10 or 100 to get Gamma Energy range equivalent? I'm assuming the Beta particle units are lower cost than those that measure Gamma Energy range.

          • Also, some unit with the pancake type GM will detect about 3 times more than the smaller tube type GM tube.

            No one I have seen tries to correct for this. NETC simplies issues alert level based on change from baseline from the detector.

            Tricky stuff to make good sense of.

          • mopar69 mopar69

            The math (100:1 and vice versa) should be accurate for any particular type of radiation, it depends on what your looking (testing) for. With Geiger counters, you can detect beta and gamma (some will detect alpha, it depends upon the GM tube used) but the readout will be a combination of all 2 or 3. There are ways of roughly figuring which type you are measuring, but for the most part the reading is a combination.

            There are other, more precise, pieces of equipment which can differentiate between the 3 sources of rad. So depending on what you are trying to detect sets the KeV range. Many sites look at the 600-800keV range which includes I-133 and Cs-137, both of which are present in a fuel meltdown. Long answer and incomplete, hope this clears things up a bit, and I am a layperson not a professional. Peace.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Steam is not a good sign because Daiichi already emits radioactive airborne releases continuously, day and night, non-stop, with no end in sight.

  • logicalman

    Er, lets have a think.
    Steam happens when water gets hot.
    Source of heat at Fukushima……… criticallity in the melted cores, maybe?
    Any more likely explanation?
    These 'experts' should be charged with crimes against humanity.
    I don't think any jury on earth, given the evidence, would fail to convict.
    It's actually worse than that – it's crimes against humanity's future and that of many other species.
    This is a crime beyond measure.

  • Japan Radioactive Iodine 131 In Sewage Sludge Levels RISING Since March 2011 To 2013 – Why? via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/09/iodine-131-in-sewage-sludge-amounts.html

  • And the deception party continues..

    Cover up 99%, admit to only 1%.

    Win a prize for best coverup or spin of the month.

    Reactor Steam; rainwater, sun evaporation, seals exhaling is next in line.

  • We Not They Finally

    It's coming from "a puddle"? That's almost more clueless than "a leak." They're playing yet more games while people are dying?

  • HoTaters HoTaters

    The operators always seem to be "clueless" when there's something serious developing. Then they always express "regrets" when they have bungled things ….

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Have to allow they're dealing with horrendous circumstances of unprecedented proportions. Not that it excuses ineptitude or blatant misdeeds.

      • We Not They Finally

        Ho taters the elite is going to get what they always wanted to be renegade rogue
        twits off by themselves without a sun heading for collision in other solar systems…

  • SusanS

    ☢ Fukushima Petitions to Sign & Share! ☢
    ☢ Japan Needs Worldwide Help NOW! ☢

    http://tinyurl.com/FixFuku

    We need a worldwide consortium made up of experts in the field to start brainstorming solutions to what is happening in Fukushima and what can be done to FIX it. We need them NOW. Each country will also need to commit funds to this effort, since it is and will continue to affect the entire planet. The consequences could be the extinction of all life on earth. It is past time to do this. Japan is calling for help and they can not handle it alone.

    ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢

  • " TEPCO insists the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant remains stable"
    Plant remains stable?????????? Since when???? W T F ??????

  • Sol Man

    What pill are we to take to protect our human genome?
    And, how about every living creature's genome?
    This is trouble like we have never experienced.

  • bellcat23

    Of all the issues in the world this has got to be the most dire. More so than aerosol crimes,(chemtrails grrrrrrrr…and this issue really burns me up) tyranny, GMO's, Fluoride in municipal water….seeing a pattern yet?

    Doesn't it seem like this issue is what should bring all people together everywhere (especially D.C.) with signs pleading all world scientist and governments to help. Most people don't think about this because we can't sense the radiation. And because it's too awful to think humans may have ruined our beautiful Earth. But we need to start gathering to draw attention to this since our lame stream news mostly ignores the issue. If we did organize we could remind everyone that the problem hasn't gone away but is getting worse. Maybe if enough people got involved we could really push for an all out world wide effort.I can't believe we (myself included) just go about our daily lives and don't try to organize ourselves into action. But I'd forget about the bills and resort to dumpster diving if that's what it would take to go to D.C. and stay for as long as it takes. One day demonstration don't do squat….or maybe they do help but time is of the essence. We would need to stay and the crowds would have to grow larger and larger until they could no longer be ignored. We would call news reporters from other countries to cover this ongoing event so maybe people in other countries would see us and also start gathering.
    Feed back??

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      yes bellcat, more pleading. Everyone should be involved, on their knees, pleading to the governments, please, please, no more rape, pillage and exploitation. More million person peaceful marches, more signatures. If only there was more involvement, the good side of the leaders would shine. Yes, I see it. Like the 7 years, 10 hr per day constant vigil of demonstrators at the world health organization, but only more. In October 1983, nearly 3 million people across western Europe protested nuclear missile deployments. A million at the Hague. Yes bellcat, more pleading, Im with you

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I'm not into pleading at the moment..
    I'm in a 'tough love' phase.
    I/we've laid in out hundreds and hundreds of times.

    It's time to 'get you some' in so many ways…even to the point of the sheeple taking a 'blindside'..due to willful ignorance.
    Willful ignorance that will be the human race's undoing..including those in power.

    There is no other way..the infantile mentality of human requires learning the hard way.

    All that is left is the "I told you so".

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    ..On to hope..
    How much time ..even in day to day life can be spent on hope?
    Like wishing for the past..and other mental pass times..only a certain portion of the day can be spent on hope.
    Why is lack of hope..instantly despair.?
    Why is acceptance..despair..when some base level 'understanding' has to be acquired?

    I was raised to believe that hope was a natural thing..but hope has it place..
    Hope is to never color the acceptance of reality.
    Things must be accepted as they are…AND DEALT WITH.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      But how dare we insult the hopeful who have faith hope lights the path to a redemption ticket kiosk? Its funny that hope and faith became revered in our culture. Hope is what you have before you have what you want and faith is a blind belief you'll get it. Faith is deemed to have supernatural power, which supercharges hope, which alone is impotent. People love unending hope, which, it is hoped, will be ignited into reality with enough faith.

      But heres the thing; its not enough to reach the public, one must alter the destructive ways of the people in power. Yet the public is hopelessly outgunned. I have faith that people will hope to do this by pleading until the final hour is upon us. Wouldnt be surprised if the next regime is military dictatorship in the guise of "reform" "force for good" etc

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Human stupidity know no bounds..

    IOC unworried by Fukushima water leaks, JOC says
    Oct 29 2013

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/10/29/national/ioc-unworried-by-fukushima-water-leaks-joc-says/#.UnDSmEnnbIU

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Typo.. stupidity 'knows' no bounds.
    Corruption no bounds..

    Abe pledges nuclear safety as Japan wins bid to build Turkish plant
    Oct 30 2013

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/10/30/national/abe-pledges-nuclear-safety-as-japan-wins-bid-to-build-turkish-plant/#.UnDTs0nnbIU