ALERT: Emergency at US nuclear plant after “massive” fire and multiple explosions — “All of a sudden we heard this loud boom and the whole ground started shaking” — “Intense Flames… Heavy Black Smoke… Chaos” — 100s of fire personnel called in — “We ask that the public stay away from the area” (VIDEOS)

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U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Mar 7, 2016 (emphasis added): [Oconee Nuclear Station, SC] EMERGENCY DECLARATION DUE TO FIRE/EXPLOSION IN THE MAIN TRANSFORMER… At 1520 EST, the licensee declared a Notification of Unusual Event… personnel were applying additional foam to prevent a re-flash… Offsite assistance was requested with three local fire departments… At 1658 EST, the licensee declared an Alert [when] the fire damaged an overhead power line that supplies emergency power to all three units at Oconee.

WHNS transcript, Mar 7, 2016: People fishing on the lake… reported hearing a loud boom and seeing black smoke, and then steam… Witnesses say there were two explosions… This afternoon [was] chaos… Fire crews [were] all on scene at the Oconee nuclear plant after a massive electrical fire… Fire Official: “It’s also in very close proximity to the buildings… I know they worked on… preventing the transformer from impinging on any of the other structures”… People in the area were very concerned when they saw heavy black smokeWitness: “All of a sudden we heard this loud boom and the whole ground started shaking.”… It’s a scary situation… [An official] said it was a very rare problem.

Loudspeaker at Oconee Nuclear Station: “Attention all site personnel… This is an emergency message… An unusual event has been declared for Unit 1… TSC – OSC [Technical Support Center – Onsite Operational Support Center] activation is necessary and the TSC – OSC has not yet been activated. Activate the TSC – OSC — I repeat, activate the TSC – OSC.”

WYFF, Mar 7, 2016: Scott Batson, site vice president [said] the intense flames and smoke came from oil burning… Batson said because a cable burned in the fire fell and caused other equipment to be affected, which led to the “unusual event” to be upgraded to an alert.

FOX Carolina, Mar 7, 2016: Hundreds of fire personnel sprang into action after a fire started at the Oconee Nuclear Plant.

WSPA transcript, Mar 7, 2016: Nearby Resident:I freaked out – you see a fire, smoke at a a power plant”… Fire Chief: “When you’re responding to a call, and you can see it when you leave the station like that, it really kind of gets your adrenaline going.”

Oconee County Emergency Management, Mar 7, 2016: “We ask that the public stay away from the area as emergency personnel and Duke Energy staff work.”

Greenville News, Mar 6, 2016: The alert was necessary because the problem could have affected operations of the plant itself… The transformer is 25 to 30 feet from the turbine building that serves Unit 1 and about 100 yards from the reactor building

WLOS, Mar 6, 2016: A transformer burst into flames at an Upstate nuclear power station…. Officials did ask the public to stay away from the area… The fire chief also said crews are continuing to work with on-site personnel to ensure… there is no further extension.

From last month: ALERT: Fire/explosion at North Carolina nuclear plant (VIDEO)

Watch broadcasts: WHNS | WSPA | Loudspeaker Announcement

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  • unincredulous unincredulous

    New tech for spying on nude people in their homes. Soon to be Military surplus for your local police.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2016/03/pentagon-releases-propaganda-video-of-drone-swarms-being-launched-from-a-fighter-jet.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ActivistPost+%28Activist+Post%29

    Can also be used to detect radiation threats to cover-up.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Nice little Baphomet style painting on the pet rock, front and center, if one clicks through to the beginning of the video @ your link above, uni.

      Check it out. Could swear it's some wierd new occult symbolism "they" get and we aren't supposed to get.

    • oops … that was for Irhologram reply

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        irhologram, just read your summary history lesson. All I can say is, thank you. Good research. Went back to discussion from about a month ago. Now it's understood why such drastic measures were taken to silence the ones who were speaking out.

        Wow. I live WHERE? I don't even recognize this place any more.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Land of the fuel fleas and the home of the brazen.

        • AirSepTech AirSepTech

          Well HT, this is where I live, close by.

          http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/article43654638.html

          And not all that far from Burns, Ore.

          And a home in Nevada, and parents within 30 minutes of the big 'Bundy cattle confrontation'.

          I try to understand, ex-military, Sheriff Reserve, first responder, etc.

          Everyday my faith in the system fades more.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            BLM was chasing ranchers out of Northern Nevada when we lived there in the 1990's. Trouble has been brewing for a long time.

            As for those sheriff's deputies, no horse sense whatsoever. The rancher was called to handle the bull. The bull was obviously raging, gut shot, crazed, miserable, in danger of hurting or killing people.

            So the dope deputies can't figure out the rancher is trying to put the bull down? With his back turned to the deputies? What dopes. Unbelievably stupid. IQ's below room temperature.

            They must know ZERO about what ranchers have to do when their livestock are injured and have to be put down.

            Unbelievable. I'm beginning to think some of these law enforcement people think killing innocent human beings is some kind of sport.

            Besmirches the good name of the ones who have integrity and do their jobs with honor and bravery.

            What kind of monster would murder a rancher who is putting down one of his prized bulls, and has his back turned? Is it now open season on ranchers?

            Heh, heh, we don't need no steenkeen human tags, we jest goes out and bags them.

            The poor wife had a heart attack, and no "official" gave her any assistance, either.

            How unbelievably sad.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Shot in the back, w. hands in the air. Shot to his back to make him lower his arms? What happened next is now pretty obvious. The people who saw this on Oregonian news may now know the truth, but what is Lamestream media reporting?

      Kinda figured it happened that way. Too bad he told them to just shoot him. I'm surprised he didn't know there would be a road block waiting up the road.

      Interesting, even other law enforcement called it an ambush (ambush w. road block).

      Not surprise d@ all. Too bad the young woman screamed so much. Made it hard to hear what was actually said.

      They had already shot Ryan Bundy in the truck, before the group surrendered. Their vehicle was taking a lot of bullets. Still not a good move on Bundy's part, to shoot back AT ALL.
      Maybe the people who have asserted all along Finicum was shooting, etc., etc. will now be debunked?

      Not saying the moves these people made were the right ones. But shooting a man in a posture of self defense, with his back turned and arms raised as if in surrender, hardly qualifies as someone who is a clear threat.

      That being said, if one is suspected of a felony, & there is an attempt at arrest made, fleeing the scene & evading arrest allows law enforcement to use deadly force if necessary. At least that's the way it used to work.

      Bad move, fleeing the scene of the attempted arrest, when it became clear the arresting group wouldn't back down.

      Still think ranchers are getting a raw deal.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Oh, such propoganda. Just watched David Knight's report on this. Use of deadly force against people not using deadly force against them. Done to them over and over. In violation of Oregon State law.

        There was clearly a political decision made to silence these people and stop them from organizing other people to assert their rights.

        So the part I said about avoiding arrest just clearly doesn't apply here. They were on their way to a meeting. Just trying to get there. The road block was a use of deadly force against them, and the shooting of their vehicle began before they even attempted to avoid the road block.

        Wow. It's disgusting to me to see how attempts are made to subtly make people believe they were in the wrong and somehow deserved what they got.

        They made some poor decisions, but no one deserved to die. They could have been arrested w/o use of deadly force. There was no reason for what happened, to have happened, except someone wanted to silence them.

        Am not even sure there was any cause to arrest them at that point.

        Just a giant smear campaign as far as I can tell. I'm sorry I made any statement at all indicating I'd advocate any of the actions taken against these people.

        So I probably get on another poop list for saying this ….

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fn36l_z3WY

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Gotta stop now. This is just too upsetting and don't want to get us going down this road again.

          • matty1

            It is sad but most of nevada is a radioactive crudhole like kazakhstan and the nasty government she be supporting those ranchers for the rest of their lives. Especially after fukushima.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Matty1, sorry, don't understand your comment. Yes, much of Nevada, the southern part, is very radioactive. There was at least one nuke test in Northern Nevada, too. But how is the guvt supporting the ranchers?

              Hmmn, not crazy about the idea of eating beef from So. Nevada. Harris Ranch beef co. is in Bakersfield, CA. Now one of the hottest places around, thanks to fracking all over Kern County. Took me the LONGEST time to figure out why the RadNet counts for Bakersfield are always so high.

              I'm going to have to call Harris Ranch and tell them I'm no longer buying or eating their beef because it's likely contaminated with radioactive waste.

              At some point we have to vote with our wallets. I'm about ready to go completely vegan. Seems like everything is Fuku'd or full of rad waste now. Or other toxins. I try not to think about it when I eat.

            • matty1

              They should be taken care of by govt. all water tables in nevada were radioactive contaminated from fracking nuke waste into ground and ug testing years ago. Now there is fukushima.

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          Uranium, ranching, politics, etc. aside, this ambush was plain wrong.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

          Murder is always morally wrong. Even if you are defending your own life.

          The occupiers stole federal land and federal buildings. They defended their theft with guns. They refused to leave.

          They were threatening to kill the sheriff by hanging without a legally constituted trial. They threatened to kill any law enforcement officer that disagreed with them. Even the militias didn't agree with their actions. No more than 40 people at the most agreed and supported them in those actions.

          Such threats are a felony. When law enforcement stops you to arrest you, if you flee it is a felony.

          Refusing to keep your hands up and moving around is extremely aggressive.

          I've seen many peaceful demonstrations. The people did not carry weapons. They did not resist arrest. Who can forget the police using dogs and spraying people with fire hoses during the peaceful civil rights movements in the 1960s. These people were peaceful and the nation joined in their cause and the law supported them.

          Even in the infowars video posted by irhologram, which i watched inits entirety, the person speaking did not agree with their taking over federal buildings and federal lands. The person was against any form of vigilantism. For a society to live together, the rights of all the people must be considered. If one person's freedom means the slavery of another person, there is no freedom for anyone at all. If one person's wealth means the starvation of 50% of the children in…

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

            that society, then there is no freedom for anyone including the wealthy person.

            Bill Gates desire to proliferate nuclear energy is extremely sicko and morally reprehensible. All the candidates for president who are not against nuclear energy are murderers and enslavers. Nuclear energy and other nuclear technology is killing the whole world forever.

  • ISeePinkClouds

    Yes. irhologram. TY. This time the truth is there to plainly see. Peace

    • ISeePinkClouds

      Yes. A commentary by David Knight on the videos of the shooting of LaVoy Finnicum.

      Lo simpatico.

      http://www.infowars.com/talk-show-host-breaks-down-over-fbi-murder/

      Peace

      • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

        Finicum was murdered before he could hold that big meeting with the next county. The roadblock was ILLEGAL under Oregon State law. The cell phone video from one of the witnesses who survived in Finicum's truck PROVE HE WAS MURDERED. Irregardless of whether we agree with his goals or methods, we surely can all watch that horrifying video evidence and know that the truth is that an activist was murdered by agents of OUR government. All activists should be concerned. All activists should be speaking out against the numerous violent crimes perpetrated by these agents. Our constitutional rights must be destroyed in a specific order. First up: Second Ammendment. Once we are all disarmed then they crush freedom of speech, press, religion and assembly. We can see all these rights under attack already. Killing Finicum was a warning shot to We the People who would oppose tyranny.

        • Officials said Finicum then drove away at 70 miles an hour, not slowing down when he saw a police roadblock.

          Nelson told assembled media today that all state police shots were justified because Finicum was using the truck as a deadly weapon.
          http://www.wweek.com/2016/03/08/lavoy-finicums-last-words-youre-gonna-have-to-shoot-me/

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Dr. what is wrong with you? Why are you defending this by force police action? These guys could have taken him at the meeting very easily. They chose the place and the method.

            You are embracing the exact same force of law that is still allowing spewing radiation to circle the entire Earth.

            This single defiant constitutional thinking guy is more important than saving the entire planet from Nuclear extermination?

            • AirSepTech AirSepTech

              EXACTLY

              "You are embracing the exact same force of law that is still allowing spewing radiation to circle the entire Earth."

              I find it all a joke as you do and a bad joke at that.

              People saying the 'law' has the right to kill people, for their words, thoughts, actions,,,after being antagonized for years, threatened, suppressed.

              The right to impose penalty on what they see fit, as long as it 'fits' their agenda.

              That the .gov does right, as long as they get a share and the share is more than they give.

              They belly up to the pig trough of .gov, as long as .gov keeps on filling the trough.

              Strangely, this is the same .gov that has stolen their future, their kids and grandkids future as well. They support this insane asylum, money printing machine, freedom suppressing band of liars and cheats.

              Why complain about the EPA shutting down rad monitors, while cheering on water/land rights grabbing?

              How can you cheer about it, with fracking, uranium mine sales, BP spills, biggest resurgence of nuclear power and warfare acceptance and finance, 0 progress on nuclear waste disposal, a complete denial of Fukushima, a complete fiasco in the middle east, a divided and angry USA, policy failures of epic proportions?

              They are 'saving' your land for you?

              😆

          • irhologram

            Doc.yeah…well, we've already heard other things they "said," which we can see and hear for ourselves on the cell phone video jus aren't true. Plus,,there's the little matter of charges that the official investigation, itself was false?..and being investigated.

            I'm more likely to believe what I SAW, conditions where driving 70 was impossible without erratic sliding, a video that SHOWED a slow pace, and a blind curve road block.

            Have you even looked at the cell phone video? It must be that you haven't, or otherwise I'm at a loss why you would keep making yourself look so foolish…

  • razzz razzz

    'Bush Clan Now Behind Cruz '

    "…Yet, we have unelected people controlling the reins of power, and unfortunately, we always end up screwed no matter what title they claim. So welcome the elite establishment. They will not leave the party because they are too drunk on power and cannot find the door."
    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/bush-clan-now-behind-cruz/

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/31398906/transformer-at-oconee-nuclear-station-catches-fire

    In case of radioactive release… at the end of the video, the usual required feel good comment about nuclear safety:

    You have HOURS, maybe even DAYS. to evacuate… no biggie… leave on a long train…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnD0eVdHJfI

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

    Fire At Namie Nuclear Waste Site
    March 6th, 2016
    http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=15364

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

    Fukushima Disaster Costs Taxpayers $100 Billion So Far
    March 7th, 2016
    http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=15370

    • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

      US taxpayers paid BECHTEL to send big pumps to Fuku. They were not used. It was tens of millions of $$$. BECHTEL also is screwing US taxpayers for uncompleted contracts at Hanford. DOE + Hanford = We get screwed

  • My apologies maybe confused. Responded to some. Very long day. Will try to stay focused and get emails out. I'm having a hard time with the tiny screen still. So if jumbled poor formatting I apologize.
    Ok. Night enenews!

  • AirSepTech AirSepTech

    Trump Calls BLM Out For Stealing Ranchers' Land

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3nZBDdmUlc

    We will have 2 choices on a future, the elite/establishment seeks to control it to no end.

    We will have some fair elections, or a replay of 1776.

    • irhologram

      AST RE: Trump calls out BLM

      http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/09/huffpos-grim-54-private-jets-at-meeting-to-stop-trump/

      …elite meeting of tech CEOs, GOP party insiders and big donors set on stopping Donald Trump before he wins the Republican nomination.

      The meeting was the annual World Forum, an off-the-record conference hosted by the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a leading Washington, D.C.-based conservative think tank. AEI has hosted the “secretive” event since 1982, but this year had a unique focus. Republican pundit Bill Kristol and former George W. Bush strategist Karl Rove were there, among others, including leaders of both the House and Senate.

      Apple CEO Tim Cook, Google co-founder Larry Page, Napster creator and Facebook investor Sean Parker, and Tesla Motors and SpaceX honcho Elon Musk all attended….Senate Majority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell, Rep. Paul Ryan, Sen. Tom Cotton, Sen. Cory Gardner, Sen. Tom Scott, Sen. rob Portman, etc….

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        Yep, trouble by the Bush-el-basketload.

        Sanders too, he gets the screw, and it is soooooo obvious.

        Time and patience are running short in the USA.

        We, as a nation, may learn a lot this year.

        I will continue to target practice, fair elections are not on the horizon anytime soon. 🙁

        • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

          Trump is a lesser evil than Hellary. Hellary is all in on nuclear. Westinghouse, Toshiba, Monsanto, GE, Rosatom. Hitlery = nuclear

          • DUDe DUD

            Trump will do away with nuclear ?

            • DUDe DUD

              I would be cool with it if Hillary got arrested during a egotripping speech..but preferable before her triumph speech..or otherwise Sanders is out too..

              Who is doing the investigation again ? Ooo right..the ones who did the dirty example setting work for BLM..right..

              Right..suspense guaranteed till our last gasp..

            • irhologram

              RE: I saw a Trump vid where he recognized nuclear for its extreme danger, but then he hedged out by saying there isn't an immediate replacement. So he's not for it…he's sort of against it, but practically speaking he offers no fix.

              As I think about it, I can't remember the fix Bernie Sanders proposed in opposing nuclear. is it just that he's against it…or has he outlined a fix?

              Because I'd hope we wouldn't sign the dotted line for "change" without filling in the blanks this time.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                The Green Party is totally against anything but wind, solar, and other renewables and would switch over completely by 2030 with absolutely no nuclear or fossil fuel energy. The Green Party would also immediately shut down all the Mark I reactors and other extremely dangerous reactors.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                Bernie Sanders is totally against nuclear energy. From his total plan:

                "…Create a Clean-Energy Workforce of 10 million good-paying jobs by creating a 100% clean energy system. Transitioning toward a completely nuclear-free clean energy system for electricity, heating, and transportation is not only possible and affordable it will create millions of good jobs, clean up our air and water, and decrease our dependence on foreign oil….”
                https://berniesanders.com/issues/climate-change/

            • Jebus Jebus

              Fukushima and Vermont Yankee

              "99.9 safe is not good enough"

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTAQ8IPrgvI

              BERNIE SANDERS: And now let me tell you something that no other candidate fot president will tell you.

              And that is no matter who is elected to be president, that person will not be able to address the enormous problems facing the working families of our country.

              They will not be able to suceed becuase the power of corporate America, the power of Wall Street, the power of campaign donors is so great that no president alone can stand up to them.

              That is the truth. People may be uncomfortable about hearing it, but that is the reality. And that is why what this campaign is about is saying loudly and clearly: It is not just about elected Bernie Sanders for president, it is about creating a grassroots political movement in this country.

              http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/19/bernie_sanders_let_me_tell_you_something_no_other_candidate_for_president_will_tell_you.html

    • Air, it is not BLM stealing the land. It is the corporations ORDERING BLM to steal the land.

      It is an important distinction.

      The question is;

      Which corporations are doing the ordering?

      On that question Americans may unite.

      Everything else is divide and conquer, pro 1 percent.

      • irhologram

        The Bureua of Land Management is a private corporation employed by the Department of the Interior. While Corporatacy fascism is real, it is administered through the executive branch. In the 80s, Ronald Raegen put the clamps to them and the tyranny slowed for a bit. It's up and raging again doc. Sorry. You can't put a faceless "it's the Corporations" on this one, IMHO. the buck, constitutionally, stops with the President.

        But, yes, I remember, you want to dump the constitution. And THEN what protections would we have from the corporations?

        • jamesofthecommons

          Where exactly are you getting your information concerning the BLM being a private corporation ? I am sure that the BLM like many government agencies has in fact been hijacked by corporate leaders, and is now run in such a way as to serve the private corporations, but I do nor believe that it is accurate to say that the BLM is a private corporation. Again where are you getting this information ?

      • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

        BLM is stealing the land for their corporate masters. BLM, IRS, EPA, USFS being used as political weapons

  • If this wind storm would end, and I could sleep even an hour without my mind flashing in panic. I'd be so happy!
    Might be news later. Gotta confirm the 😉
    Ok will be trying to sleep again. Sigh.

    • Angela_R

      Tacoma, I understand, you have a child.
      Once I could not sleep, the darkness hung all around.
      But panic just makes things worse.

      So perhaps my song was like this one of Dolly Parton's -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vif3DjNm5Ec

  • ONLY A FEW HOURS LEFT – to say no to nuke waste importing plan –
    hurry!
    http://flyingcuttlefish.wordpress.com/2016/03/10/hours/

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Done. Had to use the link from A Green Road Daily News. Couldn't figure out how to get there from your link, mt1000, but there's a link in the comments to A Green Road News. Easier way to do it IMO. But maybe I missed something.

  • irhologram

    http://news.yahoo.com/heres-close-earth-came-colliding-175400080.html

    ""There are some possible trajectories that show it passing closer to Earth, but certainly no closer than 15,000 miles above Earth's surface," NASA's Center for Near-Earth Object Studies manager Paul Chodas said in a statement."

    OH. HOW VERY REASSURING. They don't even know HOW close the flyby was.

    "…the agency is designing a mission to an asteroid where a robotic spacecraft will retrieve a boulder from the surface, and then tow the asteroid back toward Earth and put it into orbit around the moon…."

    LOL. We weren't even able to position-land a small object on an aircraft carrier without it falling over.

    …NASA has identified four asteroids around Earth that might be suitable for the mission. Hopefully NASA can figure out how to redirect asteroids without nuking them or building giant laser arrays in space.

    OH. HERE we go. We'll nuke 'em. We got 'em. We'll use 'em.

  • irhologram

    Cardiac arrests are up 300% YTD in McCook, NE
    "'What we have found with these, unfortunately, is many young ones. And when I say young, 30s, 40s, 50s,' said Harpham."

    http://www.mccookgazette.com/story/2284326.html

    "Area emergency responders are concerned about an uptick in the number of cardiac arrest patients transported this year, as well as how young those patients have been. The City of McCook Fire Department typically receives between 10 to 15 cardiac arrest calls a year. Through the first week in March they have already received 12 cardiac arrest calls this year, according to a report given to City Council Monday evening."

    http://www.eia.gov/nuclear/state/2008/nebraska/ne.html
    There are two NPPs in Nebraska: Cooper Nuclear Station in Nemaha and Ft. Calhoun in Washington County. Both are on the Eastern side of the state, and against prevailing winds from
    McCook, in Red Willow County.

    Here are the demographics.
    http://econdevtools.nppd.com/aedc/fastfacts.asp?city=McCook

    Although by and large, Nebraska is not a big oil producer, Red Willow County has a great deal of oil/gas production. Atmospheric release of gases and chemicals associated with the oil/gas industry can cause respiratory and heart disease as we saw in research of Porter Ranch.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Fracking_in_Nebraska
    http://www.neo.ne.gov/statshtml/44.html

  • http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201603100059
    FIVE YEARS AFTER: 1 in 3 Fukushima evacuees giving up hope of ever returning home

  • A wee bit o reality is starting to sink in for those still alive.

    Lots of and lots of deaths among these evacuees, but none blamed on radiation.

  • Stop the Koch Brothers' war on solar! Tell your state legislators to fight against solar attacks. via @LCVoters http://bit.ly/1UQLtUu

    • This article isn't severe enough!
      Looking up Hillary e-mails about 3-11 the Libya invasion e-mails were in the same bundles. With so much censored (white paper placed over the body of the e-mail) you wind up reading lots of non-3-11 mail. Her chortling over the monstrous, illegal invasion and drooling over the 34 billion in gold to be stolen is beyond disgusting.
      http://youtu.be/bvza6lUm9pU

  • What happens if ANY police officer stops you, and then you take off at a high rate of speed, no matter what your reason? (gonna go see a sheriff) Try that one on your local police or FBI and see how they react, trying to stop you for a broken taillight or anything else.

    What happens if you don't slow down or stop for any police checkpoint, or roadblock, after you refused to stop for a police officer and you took off at high speed, thus breaking more laws, including driving on wrong side of road?

    What happens when you openly state you will kill any police that try to stop you for ANY reason in PUBLIC, and you carry a weapon at all times?

    When forced to stop for the SECOND TIME, you are ordered to lay down, and keep your hands up. Instead, you reach for your gun and act weird, as in a guy that will not be taken alive, no matter what.

    What happens next, FOR ANYONE?

    Come on people, this is getting ridiculous.

    • The post above should be near top of thread, not down here at the bottom.. sorry.

    • If a police officer is pursuing a suspect, unless they clear and obvious information that
      1)the person involved is going to in the immediate near future, like say 30 minutes, kill or cause severe bodily injury to another person, then the officer can use a dangerous weapon against that person.

      It been doctrine since my dad as a Cop taught me that in the early 1970's. Nothing on the laws have changed. You can't shoot a running robber in the back unless all terms of item 1 are fulfilled.

      They police needed that life they took. They were willing to risk their own life to jump in from of his truck. That had him pysch profiled and knew he didn't want to kill them and would crash his truck rather than killing even a hated police officer. So they crashed him and killed him, 11 or 13 shots right?

      He made a point, they made a point. They murdered him. That is clear. Was it justified?

      • No one shot him in the back as he was speeding away.

        They shot him for not obeying an order to lay down and keep his arms up, and while reaching for his weapon.

        Whether he was shot 1 time or 12 times after that, does not really matter.

        People have been and are being shot for a LOT LESS.

        Death by cop: Car passenger shot dead in Oregon while running from traffic stop – TomoNews
        https://youtu.be/ZgLHE8Nxsu8

        Anyone would have been shot no matter what their name was.

          • running and getting shot
            https://youtu.be/Jhmts04u0U0

            Not saying any of these are legal or right, but this is America, at this point. You run, you get shot, or least the odds are greatly increased, especially if you are known to have a gun or threatened police.

            Anyone who does not understand this is living in dream land.

            • irhologram

              If I were on the way to the Sheriff, for a meeting arranged with that Sheriff's participation, and and I invited police to come with me, no…even in the Totaltarian America you describe, Doc, I would not expect to be shot…because I wasn't running anywhere. I was on my way to the Sheriff. And all this about Suicide by cop…it must have escaped you that in the video, you can see the Pink laser dots inside the car…THAT is why Finicum was referring to being shot…

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                Of course, they were not stopped for going TO a meeting. They had committed a number of felonies for stealing federal land and using federal equipment including federal computers, cutting new roads over protected Paiute sacred lands, keeping anyone from using the federal land besides themselves, threatening to kill law enforcement officers including the sheriff of the county where they had stolen land.

                I've seen videos where they knew the federal and state law enforcement officers were moving a great number of personnel and equipment into the county. They knew they had broken the law and that no militias were supporting their actions.

                When the two vehicles were stopped by law enforcement officers , everyone who surrendered peacefully were not shot.

                It is a felony to escape law enforcement officers and is considered very aggressive. Tjhey were armed and dangerous. Still Mr. icum was given a chance to surrender peacefully and non aggressively even after he exited his vehicle. He kept saying "shoot me". This is not a sign of non-agression and peaceful surrender. Nor is reaching for a gun in his left pocket. They didn't shoot him even after he reached the first time, but after the second time.

                A person may not want to recognize law enforcement officers, but the constitution does. Mr. Finicum said that he would never surrender to be put in jail. He said that he would use his gun if a law enforcement officer pointed a gun at him. You can't blame his…

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                  choice on anyone but himself. Maybe he thought others would join his martyrdom, but no one else did. He was arrested for his past felonies and for refusing to surrender when his truck was stopped and he committed another felony when he drove off. Why didn't he stop at the road block. First you say he was going too fast, and now it is too slow. It doesn't matter how fast. When he refused the authority of legally and appropriately dressed state troopers and drove off he knew he would be shot. That's why he didn't say, "please don't shoot me, I surrender and kept his hands over his head and lay face down he had made his choice. He clearly said that he wanted to be shot.

                  There are always poor consequences for poor choices and good results for good choices.

                  The Bundys said the wanted the land turned over to private hands for mining. They never, ever said that there should be any kind of mining excluded. One person said, I read in an earlier article, I assume that was Mr Fry, that he was there because of Ffukushima. But no one else there said anything about being against uranium mining or against nuclear energy.

                  We have the statement of Cliven Bnndy before he flew to Oregon. There is nothing in that statement that is in any way against nuclear energy or uranium mining. He never mentions this at all.

                  And anyone who says that this was an issue, but won't support a presidential candidate who is against nuclear energy, is just as responsible for all the…

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                    I really don't understand why we have to argue the glorification of criminal felons over and over again when so many people are suffering from nuclear radiation. I personally am suffering and so are my family members. Couldn't we spend the time, the last few hours on earth, trying to save the children from nuclear radiation?

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      My comments were directed to irhologram.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Here is Cliven Bundy's letter:
                      http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/cliven-bundy-calls-for-refuge-occupation-to-continue/

                      In the old wild West, many cattle barons were thieves and murderers. But you can't steal land anymore and the person who wins is not the person who bullies and intimidates other with guns. Bank robbery is not legal either.

                    • SadieDog

                      You don't have to participate in the conversation if you don't want to. And I agree, let's stop glorifying the felonious cops all over this country.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      It's much more complicated than you can even imagine..and it's very deep within the Zeitgeist Matrix.

                      Imagine building blocks or say an erector set with unlimited pieces to play with and then build this massive Zeitgeist Matrix for 2000 years non stop.

                      All the pieces fit together very nicely and now you have Nuclear..by law. 🙁

                      This latest incident is only one piece within billions of set pieces.

                      All the pieces now lead to Nuclear..

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Republicans and Libertarians have no plan to help the environment. They deny climate change. They love uranium mining, fracking, coal mining, strip mining, oil shale mining. They love NAFTA and TPP.

                      There is no way to ignore these issues. There is no time left, and all the distraction from these issues just shows that the Republicans and Libertarians have no respect for 99% of the people in this country. They think they can brainwash everyone. It is actually them who are in charge of the MIC and the media. Right now they are in charge of the Congress, both the House of Representatives and the Senate. Did they stop the TPP? or any wars?

        • SadieDog

          Doc, What's the ratio of people killed by cops to cops convicted of a wrongful shooting? Why are cops trained to kill instead of wound? I'll answer that one. Dead men tell no tales and also don't file lawsuits.

          • Not disagreeing with you Sadie, but knowing all of this, if your intent is to live to see another day, you don't do what Finicum did and said to mass media.

            Suicide by cop is quite common as well.

            • SadieDog

              Forget finicum doc. At what pont are you willing to give up your life to retain your rights? When illegally detained or lied to at a traffic stop? When a cop comes in your house illegally? When a cop shoots your dog? When you are jailed for asking questions or exercising lawful rights? When you are ordered out of your house and asked for your guns at gunpoint? When someone you know is shot needlessly? Because cops do these things everyday. And 99% of the time, they skate. Why? Because cops lie. Judges lie and tolerate lies. And D.A.'s… well, they are the worst scum of them all. Why do prosecutors get to address and give procedural speeches to grand juries?

        • irhologram

          You're kidding, right, Doc? Shots could be heard as they first rounded the blind corner and didnt have enough time to stop in the ice without running off the road. Shots were fired the whole time. Do you just hope people haven't SEEN the cell phone video…or what?

          • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

            The cell phone video proves Finicum was murdered. All activists should be concerned about this; whether we agree with Finicum's goals or not. If we don't defend our rights we cannot protest injustice such as nuclear contamination of our environment.

        • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

          Police cannot legally use deadly force against fleeing suspects unless they first use deadly force, such as ramming or shooting the cops. That roadblock was illegal under the definition of the law. Finicum was executed; shot in the back. Where are the pics of his bullet riddled truck btw??

          • aunavoz

            There is no bonnie n clyde bullet ridden truck ..

            Those are figments of your conspiracy sites' imagination.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

            This is why we have a constitution, judges, appellate courts an why t we have the rule of law and the Supreme Court has the final say. This is why vigilantism is not allowed.

            The way to stick up for rights is to sue in court. The law is not cut and dried. And a vigilante is just one person's opinion.

            When people are emotional and vengeful and part of a mob, justice is not served. All the evidence must be considered, and a jury of peers decides on guilt or innocence. The appellate courts decide if the trial was fair or if there should be a new trial. The Supreme Court decided on the constitutionality of the rulings.

            Whenever a person is killed by another person, it is always murder, it is always homicide. The courts decide which is the lessor of two evils. Self-defense is considered the lessor of two evils.

            In my opinion, this is the very reason capital punishment is wrong. Killing another person is never the answer to anything. Killing is just the law of the jungle, not the law of civilized persons.

            Felons are people who commit felonies determined legally. The law enforcement officers felt their lives were in danger.

            You are more than welcome to challenge their decision in court. But vigilantism is only an attempt to destroy the law, destroy the constitution, and an attempt for the biggest bully and brute murderer to rule.

            You can file in court and ask for damages to be awarded to the family.Trying cases on social media or the internet is…

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Pretty sure if you do not do "exactly as your told" by your slave masters..you will be slaughtered. 🙂

      What are we in kindergarden?

      Please teacher do not use that ruler on my hands!

    • irhologram

      And what is this high rate of speed, Doc. Look at the video because we all have and you look silly saying things like that.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Once I was rallying at an anti nuke demonstration, out in the west texas town of El Paso.

      The opposition was heated and soon the demonstration was as wild as the west texas wind

      Off to my right I see five mounted riot police, off to my left ride a dozen or more

      just for a moment I stood there in silence, shocked by the riot the demonstration had become. Many thoughts raced through my mind as I stood there, I had but one chance and that was to run.

      Out through the junkyard of Marios I ran, out where some old junkers were stored. I hot wired a good one, it looked like it could run, gunning the gas away I did ride

      Just as fast as I could from that west texas town of El Paso, out to the badlands of new Mexico

      ahead is a roadblock, Behind me the cop cars are flashing, above theres an aircraft, probably the fbi are flying. My mind it is racing as I plow deep in the snow

      Leaping from my Mustang I hear shooting and shouting, and for one brief moment wonder why theres snow in the badlands of new mexico.

      Something is dreadfully wrong for I feel a deep burning pain in my side. I hear the crack from a rifle, I feel the bullet go deep in my back, then make a sharp turn up to my heart

      Out of nowwhere three armed strangers approach me. Kneeling beside me they utter the last words I will hear; Were officers Aunavoce, Praise Truth and Dr Goodheart from the FBI. It was us who shot you and were happy to have done it

      one final breath, and this world,.. goodbye

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

        Where is your news report and link? Fantasy just appeals to emotion and fear. Justice is a matter of reason and hope.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Im the source and author of creative and innate ethical thought, therefor there are no links because Im not constantly relying on others. Hopefully Justice does not require hope! To hope for justice is to not have it.

          The great old Marty Robbins tune from which I took some inspiration is certainly worthy of a link
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-y3DB0wLh4

          Its somehow fitting that you disparage appealing to emotion, which is precisely why I borrowed from the old cowboy song; to give a personalized feeling to the drama, and as a backdrop for comedy ending

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

            Well, we know who the father of lies is.

            • SadieDog

              Yep. What is the purpose of writing a lousy parody mocking others? Would an honest, caring person do this? It couldnt be for the purpose of provoking a response from those people, could it? You will also notice a pattern from these people. Phony, sarcastic nonsense. Never a genuine thought.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                sadie, Ill take your words to heart on this one. It struck me as funny that the odd combo of auna, PT and Dr G were the only ones here supporting the actions of the FBI and troopers. But youre right, the parody lacked quality and was perhaps uncalled for. You try one. I would like to see a Sadie effort

              • irhologram

                Well, Sadie, I gotta say, the Code piece did put an interesting spin on kicking a guy when he's down dead for (at least in his mind [and mine]) defending proper land use against federal nuclear programs.

                • SadieDog

                  Irh, That wasn't my problem with it. I stated exactly what was. That's all I'm gonna say about it. It's a new day and I would like to just move on and not risk any negative or personal talk. 🙂

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              I looked it up PT; the father of lies is the devil! Whats your point, please be specific? I think the point stands; not every post needs a link, and its better to be ethical than law abiding and unethical. On Finicum, I say they didnt have to shoot him, while you seem to say killing is never good but in this case it was justified. Is there something more that Im missing?

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                I didn't give my opinion whether it is justified or not. I'm just one person and my opinion doesn't matter. The roadblock does seem to be legal because he was a felon and never cooperated with law enforcement for over a month. They were asked continuously for over a month to leave the refuge. Their guns were unlawful on federal land and their taking over federal land and destroying fences and land and buildings was also a felony. Intimidating of people in the city of Burns and threats to kill the sheriff was a felony.

                You weren't there and didn't see his face. I'm sure it isn't easy to be a law enforcement officer. Certainly all Finicum's actions and words up until the time he was shot were non-cooperative and were threatening. He had said many times that he would shoot anyone who pointed a gun at him. How else can a law enforcement officer arrest someone who is armed and reaching for his gun, but by pointing a gun at the person? I don't have to have an opinion. My opinion is completely unnecessary to any court decision or any review board decision. All I'm trying to do is point out information that seems to be lacking. Neutrality and being a conscientious objector are respected positions. That being said, people who break the law should be apprehended and face their day in court. It is up to the person whether they allow the police to arrest them. If they do not cooperate, the consequences are the person's fault. People much be on drugs if they…

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                  People must be on drugs if they have so little understanding of reality.

                  Please stop attacking people on this website and stop trolling.

                  You say you aren't for hormesis, but you preach hormesis all the time and even admitted that you submitted an official response supporting the idea of hormesis.

                  Being truthful is what matters, not creativity that incites people to violence. It is the peacemakers who blessed, not those who dream of getting rid of billions of people on this earth.

                  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                    It's not your opinion ..then blah, blah, blah.
                    At least own it ..P.

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Own it!
                      PS..Thanks for all the fruitful ideas as to how to advance liberty in this country.
                      (SARC)

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Who needs leaders?
                      Let's fall back to anarchy.

                      "Anarchy is the condition of a society, entity, group of people, or a single person that rejects hierarchy.[1] It originally meant leaderlessness, but in 1840, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon adopted the term in his treatise What Is Property? to refer to a new political philosophy, anarchism, which advocates stateless societies based on voluntary associations."

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

                      See that word .."voluntary".
                      It doesn't work ..because Humans are basically selfish and shallow creatures.

                      Because Humans are a social species, so some order has to be maintained.
                      This is where the 'whammy' comes in…

                  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                    Playing with character and situation?
                    You have any better ideas ..than musing?
                    Bring it or don't.

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      At least in Texas, they are thinking about becoming a Republic.
                      Ideas of self-government.
                      IDEAS!
                      This country needs ideas!

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Not the hate filled self-satisfying ideas, or well engrained conniving ideas…
                      And more than the windmill, already eyed by Napoleon (Animal Farm).
                      Scoffed at,at first, even semi-destroyed..
                      Later to be adopted by the pigs as their own.
                      We need clarity.
                      Ya..my opinion ..P.

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Somebody bring something to 'my table' for once.
                      Or don't!

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      I did get something out of here recently and I'm taking it around.
                      I started by sending the nuke pro link concerning Hillary warning only her inside group to take cover to Cornel West, also Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Black Lives Matters.
                      And will be doing so, remarks aimed at Native American groups, Patriot groups etc.
                      (Off my chest on to theirs)
                      My point.
                      No white, black, or any color in-between, was warned by Hillary to take cover after the accident.
                      And that no person, of any color should vote for her.
                      She is unfit to be President.
                      And while ..promoting their specific concerns, might they keep a place in their mindset and actions towards the plight of all the people.
                      What I ask of all..

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Not white, black, not red..NO ONE.
                      BLINDSIDE.

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      PS.
                      Early Spring planting.
                      Be back in a bit.

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      Did anyone here get the memo from the secretary of state to bunker down? How do I get on the "friends" list?

                      I don't want it to take five years to get a meltdown fwd….

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      Crickets to curtains…that's the friends list the public gets to be on.

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Hillary KNEW ..it was a situation of 'take cover'.
                      She allowed for 'absorb in place'.
                      What kind of leader is that?

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      A scary one?

                      I still want on the VIP list…

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      Who said she was a leader?
                      why do people need leaders?
                      People need to vote locally
                      Fools get told what they want to hear
                      Then fools get treated like a smear and then point their finger at the closet fear
                      There is nothing about this society that isn't processed or homoginized
                      Civil war in Amurka whoa watch out…hahahaha

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      You mean someone looking for other people's brains to come on ..faster than my old stove?

                      Yeah!

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Look.. P for pal.
                      You just ask me if,I was a flamer.
                      Did I put that word in your mouth?
                      No.
                      Own it.
                      Take on someone else in the room, aye?

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      "My point.
                      No white, black, or any color in-between, was warned by Hillary to take cover after the accident.
                      And that no person, of any color should vote for her.
                      She is unfit to be President."

                      She is the Democratic National Committee 'chosen' one.

                      Just ask Hillary's campaign boss.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak93KPM2mKQ

                      A very interesting take.

                      DWS will be a Executive Branch fixture.

                      😆

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      I can't be responsible for the delusional masses.
                      They also can't say they weren't warned..by me.
                      The FBI released emails, tell Hillary's position and actions.

                      The point of contention.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                    Heart, own what? Why are you a flamer?

                  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                    To hide the consequence of a disaster from the people is treason.
                    A natural disaster?
                    Why hide it?
                    No wonder some think, something manmade and malicious is going on?

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    for the record, my citizens opinion on the hormesis proposition…the one everybody says was pro hormesis…went one better; I said it doesnt matter what findings or theory you have on hormesis, its simply unethical to poison people and the land with known poisons, some of the most poisonous known to man.

                    How is that a pro hormesis thought PT? ITs direct and circumvents any debate on hormesis. Just dont poison the land, who cant agree with that?

                    People are blindly and emotionally hung up on hormesis…when the true battleground is the ICRP. What if it turns out that the studies on radiation stress response are used against nuclear? Could happen; maybe they will prove to their satisfaction that really really low levels of radiation invoke a stress response and maybe the medical community says you shouldnt invoke a continual stress response. Stress kills, its their own meme

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    Edit: The question was entirely changed; legally speaking, someone is not a "felon" unless they have committed and been convicted of a felony crime.

                    From above link..

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      So many complicated words piled on top of billions of other complicated words! While we all suck down Radiation Contamination legally! We livestock are all fools.. Enjoy! 🙂
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

                      If there are 70,000 pages of tax code you can bet there are 7 billion pages in the legal system and all of them were placed in that system on purpose. All of them…

                      Enjoy sucking down your lagal poisons.. forever!

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      oops.."legal" poisons..

      • irhologram

        Creative pieces fire off neurons not felt before. I liked it.

      • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

        Beautiful.

        Thank you.

  • So the point is what?

    All police are killers?

    We should get rid of all police because they are all killers?

    What is the solution?

  • Finicum remained defiant, at times sitting outside the occupiers’ Malheur refuge compound in a rocking chair, a rifle in his hands.

    “I’m here to make it easy for the FBI to find me,” he said, adding that he wouldn’t use the rifle “unless someone points a weapon at me.”

    While Finicum stated he felt the ordeal could “be peacefully resolved,” there was one outcome he couldn’t envision: time behind bars.
    http://fox2now.com/2016/03/08/shooting-death-of-lavoy-finicum-justified-necessary-prosecutor-says/

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The U.S. locks up more people behind bars than any other nation in the civilized world..taste the/your true freedom.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFlq4_NCwGM

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I'm sure if he was alive, he would be defending himself.

    LaVoy Finicum – A Message of Liberty from Beyond the Grave
    March 10 2016

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKKaZa9QlFs

  • Jebus Jebus

    Billions of sea creatures died at the hands of man…

    Who's going to defend them? 😐

  • Jebus Jebus

    I ask if anyone here would have stepped on the gas and ran at that first point of roadblock?

    With women and children in the vehicle?

    To make a statement to a system heavily armed and itchin' to shoot?

    At that point it became stupidity with expected results…

    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      Run it or ..wreck head on?

      • Jebus Jebus

        The first roadblock.

        Where everyone else came to their senses.

        Where Leroy chose to run, with women and children as cover…

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          I didn't see him sheltering himself among them..

          • Jebus Jebus

            I didn't see him let them out of the suburban either…

            He made a choice for everyone in that vehicle, at that point.

            Everything after that was expected. Given the situation.

            Which in no way whatsoever, gave the OSP and the FBI, the right to kill him…

            • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

              Yep.. Mr. Finicum's stand-off.
              Who can really say what the more appropriate action is/was in a 'stand off'?

            • irhologram

              Jebus, I did see them decide to stay. Please look again.

              • Jebus Jebus

                No duress there. No major fear of law enforcement.

                Frozen in fear. We'll go see the sheriff.

                Get down so you don't get shot.

                Everybody with me? Screams can be heard….

                • irhologram

                  Jebus. Finicum was long out of the vehicle by then… There are two entirely different locations…they were asked if they wished to leave by the Oregon State Police, when they were first pulled over and lasers from aimed guns shown into the truck… Finicum says they're on their way to the sheriff, asks them if they'd like to accompany… And drives away. …Then, Up the road, around the blind curve, the first FBI shots were fired, then into the snow before the vehicle could stop, Finicum got out and it was THEN, after Finicum was out Shauna Cox shelters the teenaged screaming girl, telling her to get down. Shauna wonders if Finicum is dead.

                  No. I'm not with you. Please check your view again.

                  • irhologram

                    Although according to the Shauna Cox interview, shots were also fired at the first location, and not just the lasers pointing into the car. In fact, she says they shot out the rear view mirror.

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      I think he was trying to get to a sheriff, that he considered more non-politically motivated.

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      And a better plan ..would have been ..what?

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Sometime you get 'long in the tooth'.
                      And whether conscious or not…

                      Perhaps he suspected his cause might be best served in death.
                      How about just simple warrior, leave the martyrdom BS behind?

                    • irhologram

                      He ran AWAY from the vehicle…and then stood still. Shots were fired when the truck first rounded the curve. Shots were being fired as he got out of the vehicle.

                      Cheese us, Jebus! They were being shot at. He jumped out of the car to take bullets away from the car. Then he stopped. And took the bullets himself.

                      Shauna Cox says they were being shot at AT THE FIRST LOCATION. That would surely explain the non sequitur a little further than just the gun lasers into the truck for him saying to shoot him or let him go to the sheriff!!

                      He ran? Even if he weren't leading them away from shooting at the truck (which, incidentlly didn't work) WOULD YOU RUN IF YOUR HANDS WERE UP BUT THEY WERE SHOOTING YOU ANYWAY?

                      What IS this? Nazi trench executions where we stand still for a perfect topple?

                      He RAN??!! Just how much hate out there is in here!?

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      Will it be best served in his death?
                      Who knows?..in the hands of the pale hearted.

                    • ISeePinkClouds

                      Yes. irhologram. TY. This is clear,and true:

                      "They were being shot at. He jumped out of the car to take bullets away from the car. Then he stopped. And took the bullets himself."

                      Peace

                  • irhologram

                    And as I think about it, there's a REASON Finicum ESPECIALLY wanted to go to the prearranged meeting with the Sheriff in the next county…because THAT Sheriff was supporting justice and may be the REASON he wasn't allowed to go, in addition to educating around 400 community folks on their constitutional rights.

                    At first I just couldn't believe it that they would release this cell phone tape. But all evidence was required to go to a different county, this supportive Sheriff's county. And so the Truth is coming out.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Ya ..like we can 'armchair coach'(post facto) the choices.

  • irhologram

    Sheriff Mack on events. Please view. I took the trouble to transcribe this whole interview, because it is so important. And then it dumped. I'm asking you to take a look.

    http://youtu.be/ZBgPgjYqe0g

    • ISeePinkClouds

      Yes. I can't believe my ears. A SHERIFF is saying these things. What is this Country coming too?

      Sheriff Mack:

      “You know I got to do a shout out for Lou Dobbs,because this past Monday night Lou Dobbs did a fantastic job,a fantastic story about this,and he knocked it out of the park,and you know what he said he is the real problem here,and he is exactly correct?
      We all know the government is corrupt. We know the government is going to do things like this,but the elected officials in Oregon should have stopped it. And the Sheriff of Hardy Co. should have stopped this. The County Commissioners,and the County Attorney,and the Senators,and the Congressman from Oregon,and others,should have stepped up,the Governor,and they should have made sure that this innocent family did not have their rights violated by the federal government,and for anybody to think that we can't stand for freedom,and stop a government from doing these sort of things,needs to read the Declaration of Independence,because this is exactly what we should be stopping.”

      Peace

      • ISeePinkClouds

        Yes. Here is more about Sheriff Mack's views:

        But all too often, our lawmakers enact more laws in a supposed effort to protect everyone from everything, even from ourselves. Lawmakers cross the line when they attempt this by violating one of our most precious constitutional rights of all: The right to determine our own destiny.

        We often do not realize how blessed we are to live in a land where each of us can choose:

        What job we will take, and under what conditions, and when we will
        change jobs
        What education we will gain
        Where we will live
        How big of a family we will have (or whether to have one at all)
        What kind of house to live in
        What kind of vehicle to drive
        How to restrain ourselves and our passengers while operating a vehicle
        What religion we will follow
        How, where and when we will invest our earnings
        Where, when and what type of medical care we will seek
        What medicines we will use
        What kind of foods we eat
        What kind of milk we drink
        What we will spend our money on
        How we will use our own property
        How we defend ourselves, our families and our property
        How we care for the poor and needy in our communities
        How to educate our own children
        What values/morals to teach our children

        cont.

        • ISeePinkClouds

          OH, WAIT A MINUTE…
          We have already lost our rights to do at least half of the things on that list as well as many others, to some extent! What is going on here? Simply this: Power-hungry government officials – backed by people with hidden agendas – have convinced us to sacrifice our freedoms bit by bit, always in the name of some supposedly noble cause (usually something to do with protecting us from some imaginary or greatly exaggerated danger). And with every change they gain a little more power; a little more control.

          Peace

  • Jebus Jebus

    Sheriff Mack was neutralized from the beginning.

    He could only watch helplessly given the circumstances created by all involved.

    One can not fight a pack of lions by oneself.

    Why didn't the whole group drive to the sheriff together?

    Did they know the same consequences?

    Seems like the rest of his fellow activists failed him….

    • irhologram

      Watch the video, Jebus. Sheriff Mack makes clear the constitutional issues and DOES suggest a plan of action. And if he's so "neutralized" why has the Sheriff Of Piute County Utah, the next Uranium BLM take-over say he's going to deputize every man, woman, and child to prevent the same violation of rights?

      Why didn't the whole group drive to the Sheriff together, Jebus? Because this was an ambush. EVERYONE at the refuge was coming and going the whole time, moving freely anywhere they wanted to go in the county. They went out, got gas…why do you think the FBI threatened restaurants not to serve them? These were free men! Those in the car were going because they were presenting a program to the next county over. The teenage girl was a performer, Shauna Cox was her chaperone and Lavoy Finicum and Ryan Bundy were presenters.

      • Jebus Jebus

        As I said, the lion sleeps tonight, with a full belly…

        • irhologram

          You think the lion is satiated, Jebus? Which lion? A weemowack lion in a song, or this lion!?

          8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
          1 Peter 5:8

          This is FAR from over. Now that this trial will not be in Harney County, we may actually get some facts RE: corruption at the county, state, and federal level. We'll also be addressing whether Freedom of Speech extends to the Alternative Press, because Pete Scintilly is still in Jail. If we loose the Internet, information is propaganda.

          And with what I predict to be a very bloody election… With the elite desperate to disrupt our former ideals to make us dependent on government for all things, which results in complete loss of freedom… And those who are trying hard to responsibly bring this out of control economy back to reality, even though it's difficult. …TPTB have us ambushed. In this "fight or flight," there is nowhere to run.

          As far as the lion sleeping, to extend your metaphor, I think this one will always be VERY hungry and never be satisfied. But I know this, and know that I know it: if the people loose control over natural resources, including those for use in Nuclear Power, the Water we need for crops and survival, and Land that TPTB fracture into pressure-transferring earthquakes… We have surrendered our country and our survival.

          It starts at the local level with land use.

          • irhologram

            You WIL want to watch every minute of this meeting of Constitutional Sheriffs.
            http://youtu.be/JGX3nntCflU

            I thought we knew most of the issues! Good Lord, No! The BLM is inititiating so ring called the "Travel Plan." THEY ARE SHUTTING DOWN THE ROADS on Public lands…no access… Without consulting anyone and without even the sheriffs' knowledge, roads are being closed so that land is reverting back to the wild like a Jungle. Foreign Nationals have taken up pot farming there, inaccessible to law enforcement.

            They are tearing down 4 dams, elimating waters necessary for putting out fires, flood control, and public use.

            It's not a bunch of radicals saying this. Its County Sheriffs from several states. They say they're going to fight for the rights of their constituents by enforcing the constitution.

            LOTS of information here:
            http://cspoa.org

            • irhologram

              I do not know how this iPad chages things that were perfect in notepad and then butchers them in a post. Sry.

              The BLM is initiating something called "The Travel Plan."

              Tearing down 4 dams, eliminating waters necessary…

  • aunavoz

    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/15/former-sheriff-willing-let-wife-daughter-die-front/

    Mr Mack "put the women and children up on the front lines to be killed first for most effective media coverage" ..

    Another one of your heroes. Geez dude .. ya gotta do some critical thinking amd spend less time on boob tube.

  • irhologram

    Do you think women ranchers are better, for some reason than men? Do you think women have no role in defending freedoms they also need to survive? Do you object to women in the military, if capable? Do you object to women firefighters if they are built for upper body strength?

    But you WILL notice that whether it crossed their minds or not, there WAS a front line, and women were NOT on it. HOWEVER, behind the line, metaphorically speaking, women WERE thrown to the ground and verbally abused by the FBI. So these independent thinking range women would rather have their clothes ripped and their knees skinned rather than take a stand with the "real men."

    From the videos, I'd say…that's not how they roll.

  • irhologram

    Interview with Shawna Cox, passenger in the Finicum vehicle.
    Eyewitness…more credible than the FBI "plant" who was driving the 60K Jeep and was too far back to see or hear. http://youtu.be/uDednOsEx7w

    Pulled over due to flashing lights…both hands out the window…FBI fires shots…one hits rear view mirror, car taking fire speeds off.
    Road is blocked. Levoy's vehicle slides off road…a barrage of shots are fired at the car. LeVoy gets out, both hands in air, is shot, faces direction of gun in woods with a shocked look, is shot multiple times, hundreds of shots continue for 5 or 10 minutes…then shots fired at car…passengers screaming Stop! Bundy hit in shoulder…shooting stops…all passengers exit the vehicle…Tell FBI, "no," there is no one remaining in the car. FBI shoots the vehicle to pieces.

    Drone shows billfold being removed from LeVoy, but nothing else, and then a second FBI man walks over with a 9 mm in hand, crouches down over LeVoy's body, but when he gets up, he's no longer holding the gun. No medical attention given.

    • aunavoz

      Cox had her ass on the floor of the truck during the shooting .. she had to ask if LaVoy had been shot .. it's clear on the cell phone audio.

      Both women were eye witness to nothing .. zero nada.

  • SweetDakini SweetDakini

    I wrote a long rant about how off topic this all is but I'm really peace filled today and deleted it. Peace to you all and if anyone finds out if there are further risks from the explosions and fires please post to let us know.

    • irhologram

      This is about Uranium, Sweet Dakini. Please keep that top of mind. Many of us don't Uranium mined off Hammonds' privately owned land (or anywhere else's), which sits in the middle of what was claimed as a Bird Refuge after driving out about 400 other ranchers.

      And we don't want the next slated BLM tyrannical takeover of recreational areas in Piute County, Utah mined for Uranium, either. What we are discussing is the gestapo methods just now used in our country to obtain Uranium for mining. We feel nuclear issues start at the grass roots, with the land owned by individuals or by a state, to be used to contribute to a stable, self supporting economy.

      Maybe you missed that.

      • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

        Uranium…thorium…nuclear contamination…fracking…Now that the cows have gone home, it's a free-for-all. Drinking water contaminant levels to your industry satisfaction…Virtually no oversight…Get your grab today, make checks payable to the BLM/NRC. No need for time-consuming regulations, register on-line.

        Now back to our regular viewing…Our Radioactive Sunshine…Warming But Deadly.

        (Humor)

  • SweetDakini SweetDakini

    Thanks irhologram…I did lose sight of the fact after reading the many discussions and verbal banters between the OPs.

    When I was young, so long ago, we were taught that the BLM was taking care of all the land held in trust for the citizens of the US. Now I've witnessed the miles and miles of symbolic, shiny fencing installed along highways, quietly over the years, that separates that land from the people. Watching the government selling off our national assets to private companies for the corporate profits is disturbing to my core.

  • AirSepTech AirSepTech

    Message from Harney Co. to the USA…@ 13:30

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG5eb7K2r7E

    The rest of the interview is good as well.

    Good Hammond explanation @ 9:30

    Enjoy what freedom you have, many of our citizens have lost theirs.

  • Ruh Roh, trolls run amok and PT calls Code the Devil

    Aiyaiyai.

    Someone is winning, it is not the truth

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