ALERT: Officials warn of more collapses at US nuclear site — “High spikes” in radiation levels recorded — Expert: Plutonium could go airborne — Major concern over radioactive releases — Gov’t delays revealing data to public (VIDEOS)

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KING 5 transcript, May 14, 2017 (emphasis added): Hanford official: Tunnel could collapse again — Less than a week after a tunnel collapse at Hanford’s PUREX site, Senator Cantwell visited the nuclear site Saturday, concerned about the recent collapse and the possibility of more. “There is still a potential that we could have an additional collapse of that tunnel,” said Doug Shoop, manager at the Department of Energy Richland Operations Office… “What we will be doing, weather permitting, will be putting a very large cover over the top of that tunnel number one,” said Shoop. That cover meant to keep radioactive particles in the dirt from flying into the air in the event of another collapse.

KOMO, May 13, 2017: DOE spokesman Doug Shoop said they’re still at risk of another failure as the 360-foot long concrete and wood structure has not been shored up. To mitigate the risk of a radioactive release in the event of a second collapse, workers will place a heavy, industrial tarp over the entire length of the tunnel…

KEPR, May 13, 2017: IMMEDIATE CONCERNS… “Now there is still the potential that we could have an additional collapse,” said Doug Shoop, site manager for the Department of Energy Richland Operations… Nuclear Waste Program Manager Alex Smith said the Department of Ecology[ said the] most immediate concern, of course, is the potential the wooden tunnel could collapse again… If a larger part of the tunnel were to collapse, she said they worry about a radiological releaseWith high winds in the area, Smith said radioactive dust can travel easily, that’s why they used extra precaution when dealing with the emergency on Tuesday. Shoop [said] they want to avoid airborne release of radioactive dust because the materials are difficult to contain and can be harmful to humans… “But what we do know for sure is that the material is very radioactive,” he said… Shoop said all the monitoring data that the DOE, contractors and the Department of Health conducted on the site, following the collapse, will be available to the public within the next week

Alex Smith, Washington Dept. of Ecology: “The integrity of the structure is compromisedRadioactive dirt and dust could be released… it is a high concern.”

KNDO transcript, May 14, 2017: “There are still major concerns circling the tunnel collapse.”

KING 5 transcript, May 10, 2017: “A danger still exists after that tunnel collapsed yesterday. It was really a statewide emergency… If the wind were to pick-up and the hole is still not filled in, that’s when the wind could come down, stir things up, and spread radioactive particles into the air… The bad news is the wind is about to pick up. We’ve got this low pressure system out in the Pacific… Once it traverses east of the Cascades we’re going to see that wind… You’re going to see wind speeds surpassing the 30 mph mark.”

Nuclear Hotseat, May 10, 2017: (at 11:15 in) Robert Alvarez, former senior policy adviser at US Dept. of Energy: “It’s possible that radiation might have escaped into the open environment because of this collapse… This stuff could re-suspend — it probably has plutonium in it.” — (at 16:30 in) Julie Wert, Radiation Watch: “I pulled the [EPA RadNet data] for Hanford and it’s showing high spikes… That indicates that there’s some releases going on.”

Tri-City Herald, May 13, 2017: Hanford radiological control technicians who questioned some unusual radiation readings are being credited with discovering the breach… When some readings were much higher than expected, they began checking for the cause…

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  • With high winds in the area, Smith said radioactive dust can travel easily, that’s why they used extra precaution when dealing with the emergency on Tuesday.

    "To mitigate the risk of a radioactive release in the event of a second collapse, workers will place a heavy, industrial tarp over the entire length of the tunnel."

    A tarp. A tarp over an above ground tube filled with highly radioactive byproducts and waste, covered with 8 feet of dirt.

    I guess it shouldn't come as surprise given Fukushima. Idiocracy isn't a movie – it is a documentary of the nuclear industry.

  • Dazy Dazy

    In addition to a tarp over the hold they should probably put a chain link around the area to prevent the plutonium from leaving…

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    "Gov’t delays revealing data to public"

    Our government "of the people, by the people and for the people."

    If they can delay for a week, they can sell some more uranium stocks. Hey, a nickel is a nickel.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The public should not have to wait for a government announcement to understand there has been some sort of release of radiation.
    It's 'a given', in the circumstance.
    They don't cover the damned stuff for nothing!
    The challenge is to get them to admit the true levels of exposure.

  • deaddolphins deaddolphins

    Homo Stupidous hard at work destroying stuff….the smartest dills to have ever occupied the planet

  • earthsmith earthsmith

    Data, Beta.. alpha, schmalpha…just picking cherries. 99.99% of the people I speak to don't even know about this. I can only hope the folks of the counties around that hell hole keep the heat on their representatives.
    Ahh heck just throw some more technology at it. It has worked out sooo wonderfully so far…not.
    Mother Nature the most amazing technology ever created…stupid humans!
    Debt notes the most vile thing ever created…stupid humans!

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      Corps/people who use nuclear energy have created a debt for themselves and their subsequent* generations for the next 250,000 years, according to nuclear, as they haven't figured out how to make the waste safe, or store it for that amount of time. Financial and unintended genetic engineering and mortality debt, payable until 252,017 AD.

      https://www.ft.com/content/36bee56a-3a01-11e7-821a-6027b8a20f23
      Nuclear plant nears completion after huge delays

      • earthsmith earthsmith

        Hi there HHD, indeed all tied together. I've often wondered about the intention though. They knew about the chromosome shredding early on just down play it. Same with financial side i.e. Price Anderson Act. They knew.

  • 😐

    " unusual radiation readings "
    " much higher than expected "
    – Tri-City Herald

    We get fed the feed.
    Creating so called news about political gossip is the headline of the day. (like a reality show except more boring) What people should be hearing is about Fukushima's ongoing TRIPLE MELTDOWNS and the crap the government allows to be put in our food that's making us sick and killing us. People should be aware that the Nuclear industry has no plan for what to do when radioactive contamination escapes. The only plan is to not tell the public anything. So far, their plan is working.

    (Banned even in Nigeria, but not the USA)
    i.e. Bread – http://naturallysavvy.com/eat/scary-ingredients-used-in-bread-manufacturing

  • This is fake news. Everyone knows that the more plutonium, strontium, and cesium you inhale, the healthier one gets. (sarc)

  • GOM GOM

    How can particles be spread if nothing is leaking?

  • GOM GOM

    **They are changing the tunnel dates..

    The tunnel that collapsed is timber, the 'concrete' is nothing more than cinder-block size SUPPORT under the ENTRANCE timber.

    These early ORIGINAL tunnels were filled in with dirt. They were ALSO disposing of large pieces of radioactive waste, including old equipment.

    Now, I am seeing date changes to the tunnels in question..'1960's'. THIS IS A LIE.

    "The material is very radioactive,” he said.

    Yes, moron, spent fuel storage in rail buckets is tricky..

  • freebywill

    HANFORD SITE‐WIDE RISK REVIEW PROJECT INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT
    AUGUST 31, 2015
    http://www.cresp.org/Hanford/Hanford_Risk_Review_Interim%20Report_W_Append_Rev_0.pdf

    used searcch function – keyword tunnel

    PDF page 11
    iii. For PUREX (Appendix D.4):
    1. A design basis seismic event could lead to a total structural failure of the
    202‐A building and both tunnels, causing an estimated unmitigated
    combined 250 rem dose to the co‐located person.
    2. The wood ceiling and wall structure of Tunnel #1 are vulnerable to collapse
    in about 30 years[20] due to ongoing degradation occurring from continued
    exposure to the gamma radiation from equipment being stored, or due to a
    fire. These events could release a large fraction of the 21,200 Ci radiological
    inventory to the environment.[21]

    Starting on pg 144.
    THREATS TO THE COLUMBIA RIVER
    PDF pg 146
    Figure 3‐31. Estimating pathways and travel times of groundwater from the 200 Areas to the Columbia River based on past tritium plume
    movement.

    PDF pg 159
    GROUNDWATER CONTAMINANT PLUMES ASSOCIATED WITH EACH EVALUATION UNIT
    Several graphics depicting various contaminate plumes

    More on the PUREX facility starting PDF pg 186
    PDF page 188
    Table 3‐19. Summary of major radiological primary contaminant inventories, form, and barriers to
    release.
    Primary Contaminants (Ci)
    ……….| Cs137 | Sr90 | Pu | Am241
    Tunnel #1 | 10,000 | 8,200 | 2,500 | 440

    [ cont ]

    • freebywill

      [ Cont ] CRESP report continued

      PDF pg 190
      The timber walls and ceiling of Tunnel #1 will also continue to weaken and possibly collapse causing a similar release of
      contaminants.
      A seismic‐caused collapse of the building and tunnels or a fire in Tunnel #1 represent high exposure risks to humans near
      the facilities, but the 8.5 mile distance to the closest Hanford boundary significantly reduces exposure
      risks to the public/MOI.

      [ there's tons more info, it's almost 2000 pgs ]

      • freebywill

        In the CRESP report they state that seismic activity may cause problems.

        here are two recent area EQs

        appox 30km W
        https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/uw61279971#executive
        M 1.1 – 25km NE of Sunnyside, Washington
        2017-05-05 23:20:08 UTC 46.462°N 119.750°W 17.3 km depth

        appox 30km W
        https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/uw61279896#executive
        M 1.9 – 25km NE of Sunnyside, Washington
        2017-05-05 21:37:19 UTC 46.462°N 119.742°W 17.3 km depth

        there have been many more previous events of various magnitudes,
        nothing large but might have been enough over time to shake the old timbers in tunnel 1.

        my guess is there will be more cave ins.

        • freebywill

          correction – the approx locations of those EQs are in relation to Columbia 2 commercial power reactor, not the Hanford Mess.

          in relation to the mess they are approx 30 km SW

          • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

            "These events could release a large fraction of the 21,200 Ci radiological inventory to the environment.[21]"

            Good find, free.

            I read that a solar farm broke ground and supplied hundreds of homes in two months.

            Rumor has it, there will be no radiological waste or contamination for a projected lifetime and there will be no weapons production or inventory necessary to maintain the inexpensive and efficient energy supply. It will also not render habitable zones inhabitable in the event of a terrorist attack, accident or an act of God.

            Interesting comparison, that nuclear.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      What is a "co-located person" ? Is that a tricky way to say someone unfortunate enough to get a whiff of the stuff?

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      RE: Seismicity and Hanford, there must be enough of a concern about seismicity in the Columbia River Basin for people to have studied it.

      https://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2002CD/finalprogram/abstract_34973.htm

      "Some clear alignments of hypocenters cut the entire seismogenic crust (to 20-25km depths); these presumed faults appear to be associated with broad basement-cored folds such as the Wenatchee Mountains."

      Siesmicity and Central Washington state:

      https://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/5599081

      "Analysis of central Washington seismicity of the past two decades reveals some interesting features. Shallow seismicity and deep seismicity occur as different geographic distributions. Concentration of seismicity along north- to northwest-oriented trends appears to be related to a buried continental rift and possible associated fault zones. Hypothesized extensions of the Chiwaukum graben and Straight Creek fault systems are plausible structural controls on the seismicity."

      https://geomaps.wr.usgs.gov/pacnw/nc/wen7.html

  • danger kitty danger kitty

    The sword of nuclear poison hangs over the lives of all. Nuke war, meltdowns, waste that must be managed (competently) forever.
    It's as if we can only live Half-Life ourselves…
    Why should any more NPP'S be allowed? The waste-in 70 years the nuke industry has not even learned how to WIPE ITSELF!

  • Sol Man

    "That cover meant to keep radioactive particles in dirt from flying into the air in the event of another collapse."

    But, when sand, rock is dumped into the gaping hole the dirt in the tunnel is disturbed, as is the air, and both are forcefully expelled.

    Another collapse? Is it not inevitable? Everything has been exposed to high rads since it was built.

    No stopping Wigner Effect.

  • papacares papacares

    Have 2 personal links to Hanford, 1 a family member who worked as a carpenter building it and the other a friend who was an inspector over operations. Both stated the entire facility is a disaster what will only get worse, there are no known flies available.
    Thus such newsworthy events will only escalate over time. The carpenter gave the best analogy to Hanford as relates to government action. They place their finger over the red warning light just as someone would do in their car, sure you can get a few more miles down the road, but how Far?
    Just another brick on the road. My question is how many of these death machines are dispensing their brew world wide. Think of the norks how careful they must be as they process or the chicoms or brits, ruskies on and on. Of course we know how Japan took care of their storage facility what was in the basement of F3. If you still do not understand youtube pink Floyd another brick in the wall or if that doesn't work 4 u try gary s paxton there got to be more to living than just waiting to die.
    Peace out

  • papacares papacares

    Do not like Google spell check it changed fixes to flies and apologize I did not catch it

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Soon all we will have to do is look at the screen and AI will write what you are thinking..of course none of the words will be correct, but we will all think it was our real thoughts anyway. Orwell saw what was coming..

  • “Trump is that crazy-ass soldier who stands up, charges the line and flops down on the barbed wire, so the rest of the unit can follow, undeterred by the wire. The only way we get our country back is to follow him and charge the enemy, who is concentrating all their fire on him to keep anyone from following him against them. If we stand back and don’t follow, we sacrifice the brave crazy guy and lose the battle, which by the way, means we lose the war, because we won’t find another crazy-ass natural leader to lay down on that barbed wire if we let this sacrifice himself for nothing.

    Remember: The war is US versus the POLITICAL CLASS. We have to get our kind elected, and open the supply roads to bring in more like us. It’s the only way we win.” https://nukeprofessional.blogspot.sg/2017/05/summary-of-status-quo-correctly.html

    • Republicans Cannot Win Without Stealing Elections, Blocking Judges, Lying, Deception, Gerrymandering, Throwing People Off Voting Rolls, Voter Suppression, Corporate Mass Media And Sold Out Politicians
      http://www.agreenroadjournal.com/2017/03/republicans-cannot-win-without-stealing.html

    • Stock, you might lay off the violent language.. your last posts have been about civil war, barbed wire, etc..

      No Republican is getting on TV or Fox to defend Trump, for GOOD REASON.

      If he were so lily white and innocent they would be lining up to get on TV.

      The Fox Entertainment network (not news) is the only media outlet defending him, Ailes and other dismissed and disgraced individuals.

      Be careful who you defend, because you may be measured by that, and your character may now be defined by this.

      Leaked Tape: Republican Says Putin Is Paying Trump
      https://youtu.be/d8g6qDc780w

      Guess what taking money from a foreign country to sell out your own, is called?

      TRAITOR

      Taking gold to sell out your country, is a high crime, and if true, Trump is a TRAITOR.

      • Buyer’s Remorse: Republican Mega Donors Are Panicked About Trump’s Presidency
        https://youtu.be/hLctj5PlxWk

      • Doc, none of us are lily white, sometimes I even surprise myself.

        Trump said it surprisingly well, considering how often he sticks his foot in his mouth…."you think America is so innocent, we have killers too, plenty of them"

        We DO NOT hold the high moral ground as Americans. Nonetheless our basic law, is one of the best ever written. I want to hold "them" to that.

        I am not concerned what others may think of my character, I know what it is, I will lay down my life for what is right, in the right time and place and with out other options. But I prefer to joust on and motivate others to a better lifestyle. When all is said and done, I will be happy.

        I propose that you are blinded by your ideology, I believe that you probably cannot accept relevant information coming to you because of that. I can change my opinion when presented with facts. Very few can, I can, and I will, and I do. I have learned the most important lessons of my life in the last 2 years, which is odd, but I accept it. Good intentions.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        maybe there was never and will never be peace. Look at the immune system; its NOT peaceful, yet without that constant war, you would die in one day.

        Maybe racism and division is a part of the human story. You know the native american indians could have been a little more racist against the white European invaders. To think that all are created equal, thus an open arms policy is the only "right" way is very naive. You will NOT be assimilated by any culture that is very different than yours. And make no mistake, they ARE different

        Speaking of ideology, you know that the native americans kept slaves? Black slaves. They also traded other indians as slaves. Or the other indians…Mahatma Gandhi was apparently not fond of blacks. Whats the point? People arent particularly loving, smart, egalitarian, fair, thoughtful, benevolent, and get this; they DONT think the way you do. Was it "bad" that Mussolini was hung upside down at the gas station?

        Psychos get into politics, theres no way to fix that. They should be constantly taken to task. But the biggest thieves get away with everything…while the people chant peace, peace peace…and have none

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          If Trump is a traitor, and he is, then the Clintons were, and if you go back, all of them. Selling out the world to make a buck on bombs. Everybody knows its true; money and power are the motivators for politicians and the others that run this sorry world of men

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          The best part of enlightenment is that we have the opportunity to learn from our past mistakes.

          As a species..we can all learn the correct way.. to live together as one.. in peace and harmony.

          What goes on inside our immune system, like the butterfly, is actually an elaborate dance, and yes, a form of life's harmony.

          There will always be someone/thing knocking at the door interrupting that dance and that harmony.

          • q Farthington MacMananus

            "As a species..we can all learn the correct way.. to live together as one.. in peace and harmony."

            Wait what? Well, are you going to be able convince people to stop abusing animals, the earth, their own children, supporting corrupt systems, etc?

            If not, should you just accept and assimilate into that crap? Because uhm, no.

            • Dazy Dazy

              You are not them, that suggests that more than you are not 'them'. There are good people in the world, as you are aware, or you would not exist, are you so egocentric to suggest that you are the only good person in existance, Farthington?

              • q Farthington MacMananus

                Yeah I'm super egocentric, but I don't even consider myself a good person really. I'm okay in some ways, but truly good? No way man.

                But I figured the statement was about humans, so I generalize about society, trends and such.

                • Dazy Dazy

                  I think you are good, perhaps you could provide examples of good we may follow rather than providing examples of bad junk. You are very powerful in your energy and should direct people more directly to the good(as opposed to obtusely). I like you, very much, and find you very interesting.

                  • q Farthington MacMananus

                    Thanks…well, yeah I'm not great at examples of good.

                    I'm just really skeptical, so sometimes (most of the time) I try to point out or talk about bad, as not supporting it is implicitly better (imo).

                    It seems it's far easier to go for those low hanging fruit.

                  • q Farthington MacMananus

                    It's like, you aim for the heart, but when there's no heart to aim at you wasted your efforts. Then you aim for the head, thinking you can appeal to reason, good joke…

                    So, kick em in the nuts.

                    • Dazy Dazy

                      I absolutely get that.

                    • Dazy Dazy

                      Kick em in the nuts. But now we have the nutless? How we going to fight that?

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      That's trickier, I guess you can use nuts against normalcy bias or supposed sanity, reminders of some left-ear fiddling. Though that is rarely received very well. Who you been listening to?

                      Well, either that or factually state they're prostitutes.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Most of us have been assimilated already.. 🙂

              Understanding the whys and correcting these misperceptions of our current assimilation will be the only path forward.

              If not..expect political and religious dogma.. to disrupt one's chosen enlightenment path abruptly in the near future.

              as·sim·i·late
              əˈsiməˌlāt/Submit
              verb
              past tense: assimilated; past participle: assimilated
              1.
              take in (information, ideas, or culture) and understand fully.
              "Marie tried to assimilate the week's events"
              2.
              cause (something) to resemble; liken.
              "philosophers had assimilated thought to perception"

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            "As a species..we can all learn the correct way.. to live together as one.. in peace and harmony." wow thats really positive hope for 'good' obewan! 200 million women have had their clitoris sliced off with a razor because someone thought it was 'good'. A fair number of those doing the slicing would think I should die for being a bad infidel. Obviously, my good is not theirs and your good is not my good as mine is not yours.

            You wont convince anyone their idea of good was faulty, whether it was the priest spreading gospel, the right or left winger, the vegetarian or meat eater or cannibal. Not the lawyer, policeman or politician. For these reasons, i cant believe your Utopian vision will be fulfilled.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Once upon a time it was actually legal to own slaves..not anymore..enlightenment.

              Knowledge is power and we must move that power around the world as quickly as possible.

              One reason we are all here.

              Enlightenment! 🙂

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                We still IMHO need to press on and try to make a difference. That is the only thing which will counter the slide toward Dystopia.

                It can of course be argued Dystopia is Now.

                And for good reason.

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                If no person with a conscience who could ever distinguish good from evil (yes, the "E" word again), ever made a stand for what he or she perceived to be "good," where would be be now?

                We probably wouldn't be here at all, here and now.

                • q Farthington MacMananus

                  And where does your morality come from? Your culture, parents' tradition, society, corporate or "patriotic" militarism, globalist "unification"?

                  Moral cognoscente in the form of preachers, politicians, institutions or common core education?

                  • HoTaters HoTaters

                    Where my morality comes from is not the subject of discussion.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Ho taters, may I attempt to interpret Farths innuendo? Our taken-for-granted correctness of morality is but one of many different ideologies and indoctrinations, constantly morphing through history, always different for different cultures. We accuse others of being heinously wrong while they return the judgement.

                      Yes, there does seem to be some advancement, less burning of people at the stake for example, but looking at the vast world of man and civilizations, the vision of global harmony coalescing toward ones particular set of standards is not looking good. Good and Evil are anthropocentric, relative and so thinly constructed, pigeon holed differently by each sect.

                      Maybe the best we can hope for is keeping the 'bastards at bay' while sabotaging their plans as best that our feeble ineffectual ways allow, knowing full well that our own spectrum of good vs evil will change as we mature…or not

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Really, wasn't someone like Paul Craig Roberts a bastard of the system, raised by a beast?

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      And that really wasn't innuendo, if I wanted to post innuendo I would link you to something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHIJTEHaWY0 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9cERLLasUc

                      I mean, apart from mentioning it explicitly, I'm pretty Frank bro.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      if he didnt get it, maybe you were ineffective as a communicator. Theres room for improvement

                  • HoTaters HoTaters

                    It is not relevant to this discussion.

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      Of course it is, if you inherit and propagate a lie, then, well…

                      Do you not think the same could apply to concepts of morality?

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Code, it can be argued genital mutilation is much more about control than doing "good".

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                And that mindset rules through fear of torment, torture, execution.

              • q Farthington MacMananus

                Dude, you may have misread what Code actually said there, imo.

                Basically, Code was saying people are often indoctrinated to do evil shit. Their journey back to birth won't be pleasant.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Ho, in some countries they dis-allow music and art. In some places girls must be totally covered, in others its the opposite. Is it within your moral code to let your daughter dress like these indigenous?
                https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/46/09/fe/4609fe1667622323a86e914b2fbe29ad.jpg

                Its not hard to trace the control motivations as you suggest, but its all part of a broader landscape of varied ideologies. Its important for the masses to have some ethical indoctrinations…maybe….yet its a cup that doesnt contain the ocean. At the least, we can fully expect that the world will never conform to our personal vision. Even mine is different than yours and were almost the same. That is why I bring up the headhunting…it illustrates the extremes of normalcy bias. Is it evil?

        • Dazy Dazy

          Code, You are very eloquent and a soft spoken voice. Thank you for your reasonable vision of who we are.

        • Mack Mack

          Interesting what Code says:

          "Look at the immune system; its NOT peaceful"

          So at the cellular level humans are programmed for infighting/war??

          Can we overcome/override that towards PEACE?

          • q Farthington MacMananus

            Depends, an actual immune system doesn't take kindle to pathogens.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            Peace…H.G. wells had an insight. The eloi achieved peace! And submitted to the Morlocks…both decedents of the same species.

            Peace is a pinhole vision. Even a great musician uses "aggression" to achieve his mastery. One MUST NOT allow the rats to infest the food bin whilst chanting peace, peace!

            The Jehovah give out nice pictures of that peaceful vision…the lion and wolf, lying in the grass with some children, two white, one black, as the others carry baskets of fresh produce. I shouldnt have to say it, but thats ….here we go….SO STUPID!

            Think Bhagavad gita, or samurai, world class athlete, dancer, musician, sniper…. thats where the occupy movement went wrong….they were simpletons in their philosophy and approach

            • q Farthington MacMananus

              "One MUST NOT allow the rats to infest the food bin whilst chanting peace, peace!"

              I can't agree more, I positively hate and I hate positively. Let me hate.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            The immune system is more of a moderator or regulator, if you will, of residents of the body. Billions or trillions of "foreign" organisms inhabit each one of us. The immune system determines what populations of "foreign" residents, i.e., bacteria, fungi, viruses, some pathogenic, will be allowed to reside.

            At times the immune system goes to war when it perceives an invasion.

            The writings of Stephen Harrod Buhner address this subject well. It's important to note the immune system should NOT be in a constant state of warfare. That is when autoimmune illness arises.

            I'll argue rather the immune system is more geared toward keeping the peace & balance among all inhabitants of the body, rather than being "programmed for war" or violence at the cellular level.

            Can't personally make a connection between what happens at the cellular level & what the higher order mental processes determine for the individual. The mind is apparent arbiter for all the processes, at a higher level of function.

            What would Buhner say about radiation exposure? I'm not aware he has ever talked about it. Radiation certainly messes up the immune system.

            Gut cells differentiate from brain cells early in gestation. Brain and gut function, and immunity, are closely linked. Deep subject and can't get into it here. But the gut has a mind of its own, in a manner of speaking.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Humans benefit from the "foreign" residents, on the whole, as long as they are kept in balance. We can thank them for making our digestive processes work, for one thing. And that is huge.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Ho, I follow your thinking. Yet the immune system IS a killing machine. It is designed to tag and destroy, not make friends. The point of the analogy is that one musnt let the fluffy and flimsy ideology of peace interfere with effective action. Taking a cue from the Indians, Rajas, Tamas and Sattva are all a requirement. As a musician, Ive struggled with the concept for a lifetime. Conclusion; there is no peace. Thats the samurai or zen realization. You transcend by immersion in your bushido or stopping the endless cogitation. Ethics is a two inch box which doesnt store the himalayas

                • DUDe DUDe

                  "..Yet the immune system IS a killing machine. It is designed to tag and destroy, not make friends.."

                  Hoi , i would not be to sure of that Code..the fact that it is a defense system does not necessary prevent it from being more..we still have a lot to discover about all the kinds of communication that exist outside our own specialization to destroy..that ofcourse narrowed our world-image/projection big time..

                  It is designed to defend against anything that causes distortion of symbiotic balances..

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    Everything is eating something…

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    DUDe, if you could change your immune system to a completely peaceful system, would you do it?

                    Or how about this; if you had to murder someone to save the ecosystem….would it be against your moral standard?

                    Its natural for peaceful, loving people to be abhorant of 'violence'. I myself dont eat animals, and try to save the lives of creatures found in the house. Even general conversation is too violent for my taste. But I think those peace lovers are quite naive. Women love a good strong fighting man. The sun is violent. Geronimo…now there was a pithy character. I wish Geronimo was alive and would hunt down some of those heartless greedy bastards polluting the land. Would he stand and get frozen with water cannons with the indians 'protecting' the water, or would he be smarter then that? You idealists are so sure of yourselves, but your world view is like little bucket that cant contain the Sahara. As a woman I say youre a wimp

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      Well then "woman"..learn to read before tying me in a slur of generalizations that the only connection i have with is that i want to protect them everytime i notice some..and i dont kill spiders and such either..
                      I already clearly stated somewhere what all i would Vaporize if given the chance to save the miracle we are just a small part of..

                      I'm reading "the hidden life of trees" http://hotebookdownload.com/the-hidden-life-of-trees-what-they-feel-how-they-communicatediscoveries-from-a-secret-world-ebook-09/

                      All i was saying is that the capabilities of Many mini/macro systems to communicate/choice of action could be and more then probably is more versatile then just a "kill or dont kill" mode..

                      ""..the fact that it is a defense system does not necessary prevent it from being MORE..""

                      Yes Geronimo..Che and Fidel..my three all time best..a global electorate mutation in too some of their futures could also be a planet saving miracle..and the end of the BS suicide tyranny ruling..

                    • q Farthington MacMananus

                      The other day, s dog was standing right next to a scorpion, like, a few centimeters away and didn't notice it. I stepped on the scorpion. I've also killed many other insects.

                      Deliberation and allowing more crap, that's a no.

                      Oh, about Fidel, I thought his son is Canadian PM?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      warm greetings DUDe. I chided you for 'effect'. In reality your one of my favorites! We have endured such painful judgments since early school years. Why do I know this for sure? Because a fair number of little boys everywhere around the world are pretty vicious. And the girls can be too. In a few short years they are running the planet.

                      My point is valid; there is no peace, and without the killing machine of your very own immune system you will perish in short order! I know the immune system is extraordinarily complex. A modulator for sure, but a killing machine absolutely. The analogy is lost. The water protectors didnt! The occupy movement was wasted effort! Heres the point again; The more aware 'protectors' of life have neutered themselves via the peace ideology.

                      I raised a kitty, a stray blind kitten found under its dead mom. Wow that was a great cat, brave, playful, loving. The time came to castrate it. Oh brother…poor thing lost its bravery. It was actually a serious detriment, perhaps fatal because he was lost and didnt have the balls to make it on his own.

                      I made my point, people disagreed. Too bad, the neutered know-it-alls…not even peaceful at their core

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "..I chided you for 'effect'.."

                      Ye , i got it after posting..ofcourse..oh well.. learned a new word lol

                      But i insist there is nothing in what i said that take anything away from what you said..i added..

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "Oh, about Fidel, I thought his son is Canadian PM?"

                      I meant that without even going in to the politics of it now..just the no nonsense "jousting" of tyrants alone put them in my "good" book..

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "..I chided you for 'effect'.."

                      Me too ! :mrgreen:

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        How credible is the Washington Post? Really.

        When we see proof the conversation really took place in the Senate, and Senator McCarthy really made the statement the Post alleges, I'll believe it.

        So maybe the written transcript and voice recording SHOULD be subpoenae'd. Then at least we'll know if we're having smoke blown up our posteriors.

        So sick of all these allegations with no substance.

        Where's the beef?

        If there really are grounds for impeachment, bring it. Bring your proof. Otherwise, all the people clamoring for it look like fools on a witch hunt.

        He said, she said. This sounds like child playground drama. It's pretty disgusting.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          I'm also pretty disgusted by there being such an important story here about Hanford, and the conversation devolves once again to the stupidity and fruitlessness of politics.

          That being said, I do agree with stock's statement re: Trump being like a brave soldier. I don't agree with a lot of Trump's policies and esp. his stances on energy and the environment, but the guy has cajones, I'll grant him that.

          The clamoring for impeachment before the guy even got elected was just absurd. It doesn't lend credibility to those calling for it.

          Show me the beef. Where's the beef?

          I don't believe in leaving someone in office if there is malfeasance or blatant unethical or illegal activity. But there needs to be substance to the allegations for it to be taken seriously.

          There have been too many false reports so far for most of this to be taken seriously. Most conservatives (and I'm not into partisan politics, let's be clear) think the allegations of liberals have turned into a big, entertaining circus.

        • q Farthington MacMananus

          Well, they've had articles mentioning a list of "russian propaganda" sites that included http://www.naturalblaze.com and then, apparently, it was found that the list was pretty much made to push the idea of russian propaganda, rather than american propaganda being so prevalent.

          Oh wait, what's the bill I saw a while ago, it's not mine, but it applies to you, maybe.

          Something like this?
          https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/5181/text

          So guys, counter-propaganda, that's still…propaganda. Let's fight war with…well, good honest american war.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

          There are libel laws. If the Washington Post publishes news that it can't back up, it would be sued for libel.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Violent language? Or is that colorful speech?

        Do I hear a "Safe Space" violation?

  • I started a new habit during my Hawaii trip and continuing it….reading actual books, God forbid!

    Also had a completely insane idea last year I have been implementing….going back to my college days, strength, flexibility, and weight.

    Only an insane individual would even consider coming up with that idea, much less trying it.

    • Speaking of books. Kelly recommended "The Afterlife of Billy Fingers" which I read, and also recommend as a great book that talks about spirituality without any of the organized religion dogma.

      QUESTION!

      Around 2 years ago…someone online recommended specifically to me that I read "The Sociopath Next Door" which I bought used on Amazon and read on the plane going to Hawaii. amazingly, as I read, I began to suspect, and then I became convinced that I was in a business contract, with….a sociopath, and suddenly everything made sense, all the weirdness.

      But it made all the difference in the world, as my approach to closing out the business deal, and protecting myself, was completely different than how I would have proceeded without this knowledge.

      Was that someone here?

      • eyesoftheworld eyesoftheworld

        I think that was me, Stock. I am glad you read it… knowledge is power when dealing with psychopaths. May I suggest another book that expands on your knowledge – how the psychopaths influence normal people and actually turn normal thinking into pathological thinking (i.e., as Casteneda said: They give us their MINDS). "Political Ponerology" ( http://ponerology.com ) subtitle: A science on the nature of evil adjusted for political purposes. This is available now as a free pdf http://www.serendipity.li/bush/ponerology_preview.pdf .
        The other (small) book that will help is "Without Conscience" by Dr Robert Hare, who did the PCL-R the Psychopathy Checklist, revised. This is my choice for non-clinical readers.
        The definitive tome on the subject is "The Mask of Sanity", which is also available for free https://cassiopaea.org/cass/sanity_1.PdF .
        The information is so important that they are making it available FREE. The word has to get out before the planet is destroyed. Talk about it! Tell people about these predators…. we all know some of them. Sometimes it just needs to be pointed out to people – what this is.
        Peace.

        • eyes, awesome, you opened my eyes and it made a difference, perhaps, into 6 figures. The timing was serendipitous. After I landed I discussed with my brother saying…."I bet you know something about this." He is a high functioning aspy, and very well read, especially on diverse subjects. He helped refine my vision of the sociopath "defect" and then I started implementing a plan, outplaying the sociopath.

          Anyhow, thanks much. If you ping me stock@hawaii.rr.com I'll send you something as a gift, I make the best green tomatillo salsa in the world, for instance. Did I mention that I am a Leo and not so humble, lol, but its true.

        • Sociopathy is definitely relevant to the nuclear village. Deep down they know what damage is possible, but they lie to themselves. Or they get the ultimate power trip, of figuratively looking someone straight in the eye and stating "You can't prove that I am killing your children"

        • Dazy Dazy

          Nice to read your mention of Casteneda, EyesoftheWorld, I have most of his books and they really touch on interesting aspects of life, as we don't know it. I've tried cloudbreaking with some small effect, perhaps only my imagination; I've tried it on chemtrails but once they fall apart the stuff falls anyway, so I stopped doing that because it's horrifying to see gunk falling down from overhead. I just duck and cover now and implore Brother Wind to blow it away from me. Selfish…i know.

          If I may suggest another, "Man & His Symbols" by Carl Jung, really informative regarding our current paradigm of advertising symbolism directing society at a very profound level. I believe strongly that this is a base of information that is being used to control people in a myriad of ways (e.g. advertising, 'news', public education, etc.) and used in other, even more nefarious ways. Collective symbolism.

          • Dazy, bought the Jung book you mention and one more from him. Did several psychology courses in HS, and Jung resonated with me out of the gate. The Jungian archetypes also seem to mesh so well with an animal spirit spirituality that I am tapping into. It will be great to refresh and learn more.

            My other knowledge passion is neuro-linguistics, which I think is crucial to why man became the apex predator of this planet…somehow the words themselves and ability to communication with words, because an essential part of our species, with deep implications, not always good but often good. That came later in my studies, I bet a review of Jung will show that he was already on to that.

            • Dazy Dazy

              Stock, I need to re-read him as well, it's been awhile so I figure I can learn something new reading it again.

              Animal spirits do seem to mesh with Jung's philosophy, my guide and protector introduced herself to me in a dream when I was four years old and has stayed with me since, a beautiful black panther.

              A funny thing I discovered several years ago is that black panthers are a melanistic version of the regularly colored cats, as are red-heads in humans. I'm melanistic like my creature.

              • Dazy, funny you say all that. Your panther sounds awesome. I didn't "discover" my animal spirit consciously until my birthday 2 summers ago. My animal spirit is the eagle, which is nice. Really, all raptors are in the group. Hawks and Eagles come when I call them, I'll set up a video and get some proof some day.

                Since then, I have both stepped outside my comfort zone and had most everything work in my favor (again, which is nice). I also realized that I have always had this eagle spirit. One time a decade ago I was at my dad's place and in the living room. He has a woods on one side with tall trees. I had this clear feeling and stated "there is a hawk out there" and walked to the window and found the hawk 30 feet up looking at us. It stuck around about 30 minutes.

                My dad remarked "you have always been a good game spotter". The high location of the hawk meant that unless you were standing right at the window, you couldn't see it.

                When fishing, I have always been the bird spotter, birds mark the fish. And on land, always able to spot critters. So the eagle eye from my eagle guide/spirit makes sense.

                Since we are on the subject, somehow my whole life has been taken over by some weird Irish meme, I don't know what it means, but there are like 30 "coincidences" including important people coming in to my life. Enough so that I am thinking about doing a genetic test, since there is no hint of Irish in my known family…

              • Dazy, got the Jung book today "Modern Man in Search of a Soul"

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            The point of Reich's experiments and findings was to cause the toxic substances to dissipate or to render them harmless.

            I believe that is possible, and we are not consigned to just watching the gunk fall on us.

            But it requires building and using Reich's devices properly, which is an art and a science. They can cause harm, too, in irresponsible hands.

            I've blown away clouds (chem clouds) when living in Humboldt County, CA, where there is a very high amount of cloud cover and rain, fog.

            Stopped doing it because I wasn't sure I was applying the proper technique. A friend who is an expert in this advised caution.

            Are you familiar with Reich's theory or hypothesis on this, Dazy?

            Well, I'm one of those people who sleeps with peat moss under my bed and orgone behind my head, so go figure!

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              This is going to sound like it's completely from out in left field, and it is. Shortly after I began making orgone, and sleeping with peat moss by my bed (and salt crystals behind my head, too), I began to recover from a horrible onslaught of disease. I'd been infected with Lyme, giardiasis, possibly human parvovirus, and had a bad vaccine reaction, all at the same time. Had systemic reactive arthritis, pericarditis, and huge pleural effusions around both lungs which wouldn't go away for months. And recurring pneumonia.

              Now that I think of it, other than the GAPS diet, nothing changed except for changing the energy signature in the room where I slept.

              My recovery from a state of being near death, for a long time, is pretty miraculous. And it was unexpected.

              So maybe I'm full of drek, but I think it works. I feel things most people don't feel, and for me, grounding, orgone, peat moss, Himalayan salt crystals, feel harmonious.

              The good effects could be, "mind over matter," too. I convinced myself of survival, and visualized health and proper integration of it on the cellular level.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Reich warned that nuclear radiation turned orgone to DOR, deadly orgone radiation. But he was a pioneer and all conclusions are provisional. Nevertheless, it might be wise to use his water grounding methods. Maybe an indoor grounded fountain. Copen makes something he believes neutralizes DOR, but he might be gone by now. For further insight, read aetherometry stuff from Correa

            • Dazy Dazy

              I am somewhat familiar with Reich, I'm glad he's working for you. He's a bit too attached to Freud for my tastes.

              I find this fellow interesting – Walter Russell.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Russell

              Among his accomplishments: There they established the museum and the Walter Russell Foundation, and in 1957 the Commonwealth of Virginia granted a charter for the University of Science and Philosophy, a correspondence school with a home study course. Walter and Lao Russell collaborated on a number of books. The testing of atomic bombs in the atmosphere prompted them to publish "Atomic Suicide?" in 1957 in which they warned of grave consequences for the planet and for humankind if radioactivity was exploited as a world fuel. The Test-Ban Treaty of 1963 lessened the threat, but they maintained that the danger of the radioactive poisoning of the biosphere would remain a pressing issue. Walter Russell was productive up to his death in 1963. Lao died in 1988. Although the University left Swannanoa in 1998, Walter and Lao's books continue to enjoy brisk sales and worldwide distribution

        • Troglodyte Troglodyte

          One of the reasons I like visiting this site is the wealth of information that is shared. The Mask of Sanity is very interesting to me, and I'm just about to the point of beginning the case studies.

          • eyesoftheworld eyesoftheworld

            for Stock, Dazy and Trog — thanks for the feedback. When I posted the links etc two years ago there was some interest… as the reign of our Wetiko president rolls on, the need for this info has become more apparent.
            The reference to Jung is appropriate. The substrate of reality that Jung worked at is the level we are talking about. I love his work… there are some great video's on his ideas – like this one – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYUemhYZlAQ&ab_channel=OccultHyve . The lecturer who did this has other great lectures (anyone want to go back to college??) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmJ4L_LwqcE&ab_channel=CarmenMoyers
            Of course, at this point, the psychopathy is widespread… not just in government or high positions… it's inveigled (def: to entice, lure, or ensnare by flattery or artful talk or inducements) its way into all professions. This is what "Political Ponerology" is all about.
            Trog ! it's a tough book and you can do it.. don't give up on the clinical-ness of it.. this understanding will empower your life.
            I love all of you folks – the hearth-warmers. Standing in witness to what we've done to our world. The conscious spirit lives beyond this material world… we are eternal.

      • Mack Mack

        stock, yes, reading a lot of books, too.

        Any recommendations from the brilliant ENENewsers on any good books to read are welcomed.

        • q Farthington MacMananus

          Pinocchio?

          • q Farthington MacMananus

            You should see the Mandala Effects on pinocchio these days, like if you go take an old copy of pinocchio, some of the writing style, the general narrative has changed.

            It even has like seemingly unrelated poems in it occasionally.

            "Approaching the park, should probably get there before it gets dark. The sun dimming, starting to look grey
            Reaching the park, something's amiss, he's normally here at this time, nowhere to be found
            He's a good friend, kinda short, keeps his ears to the ground, in a high-pitched choir at night, a good sport and his name rhymes with Germany
            Nothing rhymes with Nietzsche, besides, I prefer Jiminy
            Something else is astray, not a sound, I don't see any butterflies, no children having fun, at play
            No buzzing of the bees, I don't hear birds singing, there aren't any fish in the pond swimming and the trees are dying
            It dawns on me what's happened, they're dead, they were taken away

            I don't remember the orginal pinocchio having that.

            /SOME OF IT IS HEAVILY LACED WITH SARCASM.

          • So typical, you have the capacity to contribute, yet you choose to just disrupt and confuse. Why is that?

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          A Pillar of Iron, written by Taylor Caldwell. Written in the 1960's, but still very relevant today.

          Secrets of the Temple

          The Prize

        • Check out "The Sellout" b Paul Beatty. This one is satire, but hysterical and relevant given the desire of the PTB to create a race war. It won the Man Booker in 2016. Best fiction book I ever read (I owned a bookstore for twelve years). Warning: you may need a dictionary nearby. Man Booker judge wrote that her husband wouldn't let her read that book in bed because she laughed out loud on every page.

          If you liked Confederacy of Dunces, this is ten times better.

        • Down The River Down The River

          In the Absence of the Sacred
          by Jerry Mander

          A critique of our unquestioned acceptance of technology and progress.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Enjoy! 🙂
      Neil Young – Mother Earth (Live)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7hTATM4i_8

    • Cooter

      Stock,

      I read this book in 1972 and began practicing techniques that I learned and modified over the years. It changed my life in so many profound ways. All for the good

      Journeys out of the body; Robert A Monroe
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Monroe

      http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers/out-of-body-experiences.html

      From the above link;
      "In 1958, without any apparent cause, I began to float out of my physical body. It was not voluntary; I was not attempting any mental feats. It was not during sleep, so I couldn't dismiss it as simply a dream. I had full, conscious awareness of what was happening, which of course only made it worse. I assumed it was some sort of hallucination caused by something dangerous – a brain tumor, or impending mental illness. Or imminent death.

      "It occurred usually when I would lie down or relax for rest or preparatory to sleep – not every time but several times weekly. I would float up a few feet above my body before I became aware of what was happening. Terrified, I would struggle through the air and back into my physical body. Try as I might, I could not prevent it from recurring." (Monroe, 2-3)

      A word of caution should be in order before you try anything.
      Monroe used the word "terrified", which is putting it mildly.

      In any state of sub-consciousness you will need to have a word or words, of your choosing, that will allow you to immediately return to your body. DO THIS BEFORE you start practicing your…

      • Got it, I am going to publish an article on Good Reads and will put that on.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          but the monroe institute is about selling hemi-sync. Its hard to believe spiritual advancement can hinge on having both ears working, fed with binaural heterodyne beats.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              stock, Im all for any technique that works. Still, there is the sales element, and the limits of the method. Feed each ear a slightly different frequency and the brain will sum them to a beat frequency, and this causes a hypnotic state of sorts.

              But lets go further. A lot of people think spiritual awakening depends on getting your emotional state in harmony. Controlling anger, lust, jealousy and so forth. How can that make sense? Our poor nervous system can be twanged till the banjo breaks.

              All of the methods that lift will also let down, its inevitable. Thus the idea of transcendence of duality, which pretty much sums up the whole experiential enchilada. For this reason, philosophical belief and debate is all but useless, the subject being beyond ape-man comprehension…but not his belief that he does understand it!

  • They immediately went on record as saying this was not terrorism, because that would go against a narrative or two….

    Two car incidents at almost the same time, shortly after 11:40 a.m. ✔️Staten Island ✔️Times Square Coincidence?

  • razzz razzz

    'Hanford Site'

    "…During the Cold War, the project expanded to include nine nuclear reactors and five large plutonium processing complexes, which produced plutonium for most of the more than 60,000 weapons built for the U.S. nuclear arsenal…

    …In 2007, the Hanford site represented two-thirds of the nation's high-level radioactive waste by volume.[8] Hanford is currently the most contaminated nuclear site in the United States[9][10] and is the focus of the nation's largest environmental cleanup.[2] Besides the cleanup project, Hanford also hosts a commercial nuclear power plant, the Columbia Generating Station, and various centers for scientific research and development, such as the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory and the LIGO Hanford Observatory…

    …On November 10, 2015, it was designated as part of the Manhattan Project National Historical Park alongside other sites in Oak Ridge and Los Alamos…

    …The Hanford Site occupies 586 square miles (1,518 km2)—roughly equivalent to half of the total area of Rhode Island—within Benton County, Washington.[2] This land is closed to the general public…"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Site

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Why do they worry that more of the tunnel could collapse?
    Why because more sections are losing the integrity, because it was shoddily built?
    Or something more?

    You know, I support Dutch in his hypotheses when I feel he is reasonably close to the truth.
    Now he seems to understand ..radioactive contamination is the danger at Hanford.
    Yet.. even in just considering the material x-containment at the time of the explosions at Fukushima ..he goes brain dead.
    What's the deal?

    5/09/2017 — ☢ Hanford Nuclear Storage Facilty tunnel collapses after earthquake swarm ☢
    May 9 2017

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mtIbpL5RsM

    • Something odd about that boy. he even stole a saying I created with no thanks, no question to me, no attribution.

      "Be prepared, not scared" on Nukepro so I know he reads my stuff. Its odd

      • razzz razzz

        Cognitive dissonance?

        Just because he traveled the US trying to monitor Daiichi fallout with handhelds and found nothing of value, that does not mean it was a scientific venture except in his mind. Increased thyroid problems here and in Japan after 3/11 must give some people a clue no matter how much the governments try to suppress doctor's diagnoses.

        • razzz,

          I rarely got any spikes of radiation from my Geiger, Pu and Uranium, low activity and alpha stopped by 3 CM of air….will not register much on a Geiger unless present in massive quantities, right there.

          The damage is done, the coverup in place, the pain mostly in front of us.

          • Mack Mack

            stock, were you able to bring your geiger and take any readings in Japan or Hawaii?

            • In Japan, I had the Inspector, readings ranged 30 to 35 CPM in Tokyo area, which is kind of to be expected for a highly industrial area. No spikes.

              In Hawaii, I was lugging my Canon 6D new camera and all the accessories, so had to forgo the Geiger.

              stock out

              • I had my Inspector out for 2 3/4 hours in Nicaragua yesterday and averaged 44 CPM. It sat in my bedroom on the bed for 1 hour and then in the living room under ceiling fan for 1 3/4 hours. Normally the readings are between 18-35. We have onshore winds on the Pacific Coast at the moment, though it looked as if the wind was from the Southwest.

                I find it hard to believe that Tokyo could only be 35 CPM. I don't doubt your readings, but it's enough to make me not want to use my monitor anymore, as the low counts in Japan appear like propaganda for the nuke industry.

                • Kelly Ann, rough average in Hawaii was 25, in Wisconsin I would say its 30 from observation, I don't log my results at this time.

                  I wonder if you are getting some off gassing of something from your volcanoes?

                  Aloha, stock out

                  • Aloha, stock.

                    This month the wind comes from West and Southwest (Pacific Ocean) and no major eruptions.

                    There is no reason why the radiation reading should be higher in Nicaragua than in contaminated Japan. I am testing again right now and it is moving between 32 and 54 CPM, 42-44 seems to be the average. (I have the Inspector EXP.)

                    If I walk around outside with the wand, it moves between 18-50.

                    I tested at Harmonia, 50 km away, and readings were the same as in my home in San Juan del Sur. Not sure what caused the CPM to double in the last month, but the radiation here has to be far less than Japan, Hawaii or the Pacific Northwest.

                    I don't two anyone else testing here or Costa Rica, so it's hard to say. When I tested my imported food (berries, turkey and cheese), there was always a slight increase in the CPMs when the monitor was placed by the food.

                    Again. I don't debt your readings, but I don't believe that the average CPM for Tokyo is 30-35. Seems way too low for being just few miles from Fukushima.

                    • I was in mostly Kanagawa, so guessing 150 KM from Fuku

                      Did you know that Fukushima means "Island of Dreams"?

                    • I know about radon, but I am not downwind of anything, even if the wind shifts to offshore. Wind is coming from the Pacific Ocean. All of the windows in my house are always open. Doors are usually open and ceiling fans run constantly. Same readings in my car, same readings at the beach. It's not a pocket of radon gas. I am not downwind from a volcano or vent and the distance from the volcanoes is such that it wouldn't be a cause for the readings to double.

                      I have had the radiation monitor for 3 1/2 years. Every once in a while there is a spike in the 40s, but generally it was 14-22. Now it is in the 40s al of the time. Since you showed less in Japan, I am worried that there is something going on here or the Inspector shows a false negative in Japan.

                    • KAT, it could be the Fuku fires

                      could be your GC calibration — got anyone else down there with same /similar Geiger, I assume

                      hard to imagine its Hanford, and I suspect that would be mainly Pu so alpha, so minimal "counts"

                      Please continue to monitor and advise, I could send you a loaner inspector to confirm/calibrate if readings remain high. I love having 2 Inspectors, its a luxury for sure, but makes it possible to have more knowledge.

                      In the mean time, make sure you are getting adequate Calcium, Magnesium, and Potassium as well as an alkalizing diet. My new thing is the Costco bag of limes and the 2 sisters juicer and 2 glasses of diluted lime juice in water every morning, one used as chaser for 1:1 dilute ACV.

                      stock out

      • SadieDog

        You created? C'mon man.

        • Why is that so hard to believe?

          • SadieDog

            Are you saying you created that specific saying? That you were the first to turn that phrase, really?

            • I coined it. meaning didn't see it elsewhere, so I created it. not saying someone else (1 million monkeys) didn't put those together before.

              I coined it, put on one of my websites, and 1 or 2 days later he was using it. before that he was fixated on "much love".

              • SadieDog

                If he used it, that's imitation. You didn't coin or create anything. You used a term. That's all.

                • just when I thought there was hope for you…apparently you miss my point or don't want to hear my point. I published the phrase, he stole it without any attribution.

                  Thats kind of rude.

                  • SadieDog

                    But it's no different than if you said 'the sky is blue'. You missed my point. It's just a phrase. When you say you created or coined it, you sound… Let's say delusional.

                  • Dazy Dazy

                    Maybe he was the 100th monkey, stock? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundredth_monkey_effect

                    Wouldn't that be lovely? Rappaport does the same thing with info on this site, he coallates it and puts it into an article. He gets attention, so all to the good I figure.

                    • Ya Dazy, 100 Monkey thing, I am not in this "for the money" there is none. Nor fame.

                      Yes, 1 more monkey throwing out my works or "co-discovering" is appreciated. I respect the dutchsince, and all and have benefited from his EQ work and analysis. It has also made me realize how piss poor TSTB (The Scientists That Be) are at any type of intuition, analysis, ability to go beyond what they were taught. sad sad.

                      So those who launch off my work — more power to us all, the good team!

    • DUDe DUDe

      bottomline.. ..radioactive contamination is the danger at Hanford.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Nuclear Waste Brewing to Contaminate Washing State at Hanford Site PART 1
    Jun 18 2016

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Fg_ZkUldg&t=212s

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    1988..
    Year after year of lies..

    THE PREVALENCE AT BIRTH OF CONGENITAL MALFORMATIONS IN COMMUNITIES NEAR THE HANFORD SITE
    Feb 1 1988

    https://academic.oup.com/aje/article-abstract/127/2/243/95114/THE-PREVALENCE-AT-BIRTH-OF-CONGENITAL?related-urls=yesl127/2/243

  • Sol Man

    HotR- A very difficult, no, horrible consequence of the sequence of events that we have witnessed.

    Is the world being sterilized by the constant bombardment of becquerels?

  • NoFixedID

    The word ‘tunnel’ is a hoax. These things aren’t even underground; they are just glorified gazebos with a bit of dirt thrown over them. Further collapses are inevitable. Even if they didn’t collapse, the dirt and the supporting structures would eventually erode away. The waste inside needs to be extracted and (in the absence of any real solution to nuclear waste disposal) stored somewhere a whole lot safer. But the authority’s response to the collapse was to shovel dirt into the hole. Surely this will make it more difficult to extract the waste safely in future?

    • SadieDog

      The earthquake is gonna take care off everything. Easy peasy.

    • SadieDog

      But in reality, that radiated equipment and really old waste and chemicals will never be removed. IMO. Never.

    • Nofixedid, indeed. They probably dont even have a PVC liner under the whole mess. Hella curies "available" there to go into ground water. or in a collapse, into the air.

      And there fill with dirt idea, will indeed increase the cost of better storage by 10x…..imagine that, contractors acting quick to create 10x work in the future.

      • DUDe DUDe

        "..And there fill with dirt idea, will indeed increase the cost of better storage by 10x.."

        Yes , always short time thinking/acting first..it screws up the long term possibilities so nicely..then psycho's can thrive coming up with "solutions"..

        —-

        Test to recycle some screened soil from Fukushima

        "..Japan's Environment Ministry is studying the possibility of using some screened soil cleared from Fukushima Prefecture after the 2011 nuclear power plant accident in public works projects.

        The Japanese government says, within the next 30 years, it plans to dispose of some 22 million cubic meters of soil and other waste that will be removed from the prefecture as part of the decontamination effort.

        The ministry says it aims to use soil with up to 6,000 becquerels per kilogram of radioactive substances in roads and embankments, and up to 4,000 becquerels in parks.."

        https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20170517_23/

  • Checkmate

    "Nuclear Waste" from now on will be referred to as "Nuclear Garbage" to be politically correct. It has a softer ring and insinuates that it is recyclable for everybody's benefit or quickly decomposes like cardboard or paper.
    [sic.]

  • Ever notice how they call the TV schedule "TV Programming". Indeed some sociopaths can maintain a sense of humor, and receive the power trip of openly telling you how they are manipulating things

    • Mack Mack

      "TV Programming" — interesting

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        Frank Zappa warned you dude. Not just him either.

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        Now it's mostly smartphone programming though (sure crap like netflix, cnn, fox, etc too).

        I mean, I could literally direct people as if they're zombie drones with for instance that recent pokeman game (I have a big stick with a carrot on it).

        Did you know there exists implants/devices that can actually override your leg motor control and navigation attempts?

  • DUDe DUDe

    Swiss to vote on law to help renewables, ban new nuclear power plants

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL8N1II3I8

  • Kellyanne Conway Cancels Fox Appearance – Even She Can’t Defend Trump Anymore
    The Ring of Fire
    https://youtu.be/fW84M5fZSEM

  • Trump's Lawyers: DUDE, STOP CALLING MIKE FLYNN!!!
    The Young Turks
    https://youtu.be/DWR5X5Dj6CE

  • rogerthat

    http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201705150018.html

    The Asahi Shimbun
    EDITORIAL: Fulfilling duties to Fukushima must top list in TEPCO reform
    May 15, 2017
    A new plan has recently been worked out for rehabilitating Tokyo Electric Power Co. Holdings Inc. (TEPCO), the embattled operator of the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant.

    The plan is centered on a bold management reform for enhancing the utility’s earning capacity so it can cover the ballooning expenses related to the Fukushima nuclear disaster of 2011, including the payment of damages and the cost of scrapping the hobbled nuclear reactors.

    TEPCO obviously has the duty to fulfill its responsibility to the people and communities affected by the disaster. But the plan has set profit targets that are anything but easy to achieve, and some of the components of the plan appear unlikely to be realizable any time soon.

    There is a need to continue reviewing the plan so it will not end up as simply pie in the sky.

    TEPCO came under de facto government ownership after it could no longer keep operating on its own as a result of the Fukushima nuclear meltdowns. The utility has since been paying damages and otherwise dealing with the aftermath of the disaster while receiving aid in various forms under government supervision….

    • rogerthat

      t was learned late last year that post-disaster processing would cost twice as much as the previous estimate. The government worked out a framework, wherein about 16 trillion yen ($141 billion), out of the total expense of some 22 trillion yen, would be covered either by TEPCO or with profits from the sale of the government’s share in TEPCO.

      The rehabilitation plan, which was revised in response thereto, envisages that TEPCO can come up with 500 billion yen in necessary expenses annually over the coming three decades. It also sets the goal of substantially increasing TEPCO’s profits.

      Many questions linger, however.

      A restart of the idled Kashiwazaki-Kariwa nuclear power plant in Niigata Prefecture, which is expected to be the key instrument for TEPCO’s turnaround, is unlikely to be feasible any time soon. The governor of Niigata Prefecture and others are growing increasingly distrustful of TEPCO, as it recently came to light that the company had failed to inform the government’s Nuclear Regulation Authority that one key building on the nuclear plant site is not sufficiently anti-seismic.

      The first order of business is to take thorough safety measures. TEPCO should come up with ways for generating the necessary financial resources without relying on a restart of the nuclear plant. …

      • rogerthat

        The centerpiece of new measures for enhancing TEPCO’s earning capacity is a prospective reorganization of its operations along segment lines, such as in the field of power transmission and distribution and in nuclear power operations, which would also involve other utilities. That apparently came against the backdrop of the industry ministry’s hopes that TEPCO’s realignment will trigger a reform of the entire energy industry.

        Other major electric utilities, however, are wary of the risk of having to play a part in TEPCO’s response to the nuclear disaster. It therefore remains uncertain whether the reorganization will actually take place as envisaged.

        The framework for sharing the burdens of post-disaster processing, which the government has worked out as a precondition for the new plan, is in the first place ridden with problems.

        The framework envisages that new entrants to the power supply market, who operate no nuclear reactors, will also have to pay part of the disaster response costs. Critics continue to argue such a plan is about passing the bill on to irrelevant parties.

        The 4 trillion yen in radioactive cleanup fees are designated for being covered by profits on the sale of TEPCO shares. But that plan could fail unless TEPCO’s earnings were to expand and its share price were to grow significantly. …

        • rogerthat

          Using taxpayers’ money to fill the hole would then emerge as a realistic option.

          TEPCO was allowed to stay afloat at the expense of taxpayers on the sole grounds that it bears heavy responsibility to the people and communities affected by the Fukushima disaster.

          The government would have to take another step forward if TEPCO were unable to fulfill that responsibility. That would also fuel the argument for dismantling the embattled utility.

          TEPCO is expected to soon make a fresh start under a reshuffled management. The utility and the government should not forget about the exacting eyes of the public.

          –The Asahi Shimbun, May 14

  • rogerthat

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/05/16/national/resident-demands-city-fukushima-take-action-alleged-decontamination-fraud/

    Resident demands city of Fukushima take action after alleged decontamination fraud
    KYODO
    MAY 16, 2017

    FUKUSHIMA – A resident of the city of Fukushima filed a complaint Monday demanding the municipality seek the return of ¥12 million from a company that is alleged to have padded its bills for radiation decontamination work by submitting fake photos of bamboo forests, for which cleanup costs are higher.

    The city admitted last week that the defunct company — part of a consortium — falsely reported that it worked on a project to clean up radioactive materials from a 2,500-sq.-meter bamboo forest in the city, located about 60 km northwest of the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant.

    According to the city, the fee for decontamination work in a normal forest is some ¥500 per sq. meter, but it can rise tenfold for work in bamboo forest where trees are much more difficult to fell.

    The company, which closed its doors in March, is alleged to have placed already cut bamboo pieces into the ground on a slope of a hill to make it look like work in a bamboo forest had been completed. It then submitted photos of the site to the consortium …

  • rogerthat

    “The legitimacy of disbursement of taxpayers’ money to radiation decontamination work and the city’s ability to check it have come into question,” the attorney for the male complainant said.

    A whistleblower notified the city of the alleged wrongdoing in November, according to a city official.

    The man who filed the complaint criticized the city for having failed to take action even after it learned of the allegation. The city is considering filing a criminal charge against the company.

  • rogerthat

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/05/16/national/agency-cut-ship-fukushima-trees-trial-basis-fall/#.WR7fyiN95aU

    Forestry Agency to log and ship Fukushima trees in trial starting this fall
    JIJI, KYODO
    MAY 16, 2017

    The Forestry Agency said Monday that it will resume felling and shipping trees in Fukushima Prefecture this fall on a trial basis.

    Following the triple meltdowns at Tokyo Electric Power Company Holdings Inc.’s Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant in March 2011, logging was suspended in 12 municipalities in the prefecture.

    But radiation levels appear to have declined enough to resume logging in some areas, the agency said.

    For fiscal 2017, the agency plans to cut and ship trees in national forests in the town of Hirono and the village of Kawauchi.

    The agency, which will pick contractors for the work later, said a local company has already expressed an interest.

    Logged trees will be shipped after radiation checks. In the current fiscal year ending next March, the agency will also thin forests in the village of Katsurao and remove surplus trees in the town of Naraha, although they will not be shipped. …

    • rogerthat

      Forests in areas for which evacuation orders were issued following the nuclear meltdowns have become excessively overgrown as they have not been touched for six years. Work to thin forests is necessary as underbrush needed to maintain soil does not grow due to sunlight being blocked.

      In order to prevent wood with contamination levels higher than national standards from going on sale, the agency intends to ship only trees logged in forests with radiation levels below 0.5 microsievert per hour.

      Tepco plans to build a new incinerator to dispose of radioactive logs that have piled up in the premises, company officials said.

      The logs amassed to about 78,000 cubic meters after the company felled trees to clear land in order to build containment tanks for contaminated water. Construction materials such as mortar was used to cover the soil to isolate radioactive materials.

      The new incinerator is slated to begin burning logs in fiscal 2020 through March 2021 and the ashes will be moved to storage warehouses by fiscal 2026, according to the company. …

  • rogerthat

    The nuclear plant has an incinerator to burn protective gear worn by workers but the fast-growing pile of logs prompted the company to seek a new facility, which would be able to burn 95 tons of waste per day, they said.

    Tepco plans to build four new warehouses to store debris and waste from the decommissioning of the nuclear plant in addition to the eight already in place, officials said.

  • rogerthat

    Fukushima: The never-ending story that the world ignores. Which is a pity.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Yeah it's depressing, so depressing that I don't even feel like talking to people anymore. I mention fukushima or some other stuff and people get angry at me, think I'm full of shit etc. While they talk about their emotional investment in the very latest uninspired corporate or hollywood filth, sitting and staring at their smartphones while supposedly having a conversation with you.

      I really do want to punch stuff sometimes.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I don't care how the message arrives.
    I don't care if I am part and party of that, which is whispered about.

    See fire?
    See radiation contaminated forest?
    DO YOUR OWN MATH then go home and whisper/mumble about ..the so called 'rumor'.

    Fire crews finally extinguish Fukushima blaze in no-go zone as officials battle “radiation rumors”

    May 18 2017

    https://antinuclear.net/2017/05/18/fire-crews-finally-extinguish-fukushima-blaze-in-no-go-zone-as-officials-battle-radiation-rumors/

    • GOM GOM

      Heart

      Significant environmental contamination from accidents at reactors and military facilities dates back to the 1950s.

      **Sergiy Zibtsev, Timothy Mousseau

      "Trees, grasses, other plants, and fungi trap radionuclides through their basic life cycle: When leaves and needles transpire (release water), the plant draws more water up from the roots. Water-soluble salts of cesium and strontium are chemical analogs of potassium and calcium, respectively, and are taken up in place of these crucial nutrients".

      "Some places are too heavily contaminated to support natural conifer regeneration; pines rarely seed themselves in areas where human dose rates exceed 30 µSv/hr".

      Cesium-137 content in the majority of edible mushrooms in forest litter decreased by 20–30% between 2005 and 2010. But among species whose feeding networks (mycelia) reach deeper into the soil, the amount of cesium-137 increased during the same period as radionuclides migrated into deeper soil layers.15 In 2006 radioactivity in milk still exceeded permissible levels in 40 communities where cows grazed on grass contaminated by cesium-137.

      A Tale of Two Forests:
      Addressing Postnuclear Radiation at Chernobyl and Fukushima

      https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/121-a78/

      **article referenced for data from above 2 Professors only

  • rogerthat

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/05/04/national/social-issues/meti-chief-seko-visits-site-chernobyl-nuclear-disaster/#.WR7kqiN95aU

    METI chief Seko visits site of Chernobyl nuclear disaster
    KYODO
    MAY 4, 2017

    CHERNOBYL, UKRAINE – Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry Hiroshige Seko visited the site of the 1986 Chernobyl disaster in Ukraine on Thursday to learn lessons Japan could find useful in scrapping the nuclear reactors wrecked by the triple core meltdown in Fukushima Prefecture in 2011.

    The gutted No. 4 reactor at the defunct power plant in the former Soviet republic was originally entombed in a concrete “sarcophagus” to contain the radioactive fallout. But the aging of that shell spurred a project to build a fresh steel structure over it with financial aid from Japan, the United States and countries in Europe. It was completed in November.

    While the construction of the new shelter cost about €1.5 billion ($1.6 billion) and represented a milestone in addressing safety concerns at the destroyed reactor, Ukraine has yet to see substantial progress in decommissioning the site.

    Cranes and monitoring equipment is planned to be installed in the new shelter by this November as part of preparations for dismantling the sarcophagus and reactor No. 4, which exploded.

    What remains unclear is how to remove the fuel. The site remains so dangerous that an area with a 30-km radius around the plant remains a restricted area …

    • rogerthat

      requiring permission to enter.

      Seko if the first Japanese minister to visit Chernobyl since August 2013. The METI chief also serves as minister in charge of nuclear damage compensation and decommissioning issues.

      The severity level for the Fukushima disaster has been rated on par with the Chernobyl disaster at 7, the maximum on the international scale. Three reactors were tipped into meltdowns after the poorly protected Fukushima No. 1 power plant was engulfed by huge tsunami triggered by a mega-quake in the Pacific Ocean in March 2011.

      Its operator, Tokyo Electric Power Company Holdings Inc., plans to finish removing the melted fuel from the three reactors and scrap them by around 2051, but it is still struggling to find out the exact location of the fuel.

  • rogerthat

    http://thebulletin.org/predictable-nuclear-accident-hanford10774

    COLUMNISTS
    17 MAY 2017
    A predictable nuclear accident at Hanford

    HUGH GUSTERSON
    (Hugh Gusterson is a professor of anthropology and international affairs at George Washington University. His expertise is in nuclear culture, international security, and the anthropology of…g

    Last week’s accident at the Hanford Nuclear Reservation should have come as no surprise.

    On May 9, workers discovered a 20-foot-diameter hole where the roof had collapsed on a makeshift nuclear waste site: a tunnel, sealed in 1965, encasing old railroad cars and equipment contaminated with radiation through years of plutonium processing. Potential radiation levels were high enough that some workers were told to shelter in place while others donned respirators and protective suits as they repaired the hole.

    The Hanford complex, which dates back to 1943, produced the plutonium for the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki. Half the size of Rhode Island, it is often described as the most contaminated place in the United States. Until its last reactor closed in 1987, it churned out plutonium for the roughly 70,000 nuclear weapons the United States built during the Cold War. As the historian Kate Brown documents in her book Plutopia, which explores the uncanny similarities between Hanford and its Soviet counterpart Ozersk, Hanford has been a slow-motion environmental disaster since its opening, …

    • rogerthat

      constantly excreting radioactive contaminants into the air and water. More dangerous than the tunnels are the giant tanks of liquid nuclear waste: 177 of them containing 56 million gallons of radioactive soup whose composition is only approximately known.

      The contents of some have to be stirred periodically to prevent the formation of hydrogen bubbles that would cause the tanks to explode. One million gallons of this witches’ brew have already leaked into the groundwater from tanks that were built to last only 20 years. The US government projects that it will cost more than $107 billion to clean up the site, with remediation finished by 2060. Few knowledgeable people put much credence in either number.

      It would be nice to say that Hanford is a unique canker on the US nuclear landscape, but it is not. It may be the most contaminated, but it is far from alone. At the Rocky Flats facility outside Denver, where workers fashioned Hanford’s plutonium into cores (or “pits”) for nuclear weapons, there were major fires in 1957 and 1969; each sent plutonium-laced plumes of smoke over nearby communities.

      Enough plutonium dust gathered in the facility’s ductwork that some worried about a spontaneous criticality event—that is, an accidental and uncontrolled nuclear chain reaction. Eventually President George H.W. Bush closed Rocky Flats in 1992 after an FBI investigation found that the facility was secretly (and illegally) burning nuclear waste in the middle of the night. …

      • rogerthat

        At Ohio’s Fernald plant, which processed uranium for the weapons complex, operators dumped radioactive waste into makeshift pits where it contaminated local groundwater, and blew uranium dust particles out of the smokestacks when the filters failed, as they did with some regularity. Similar stories could be told for the nuclear weapons facilities at Savannah River in North Carolina and Oak Ridge in Tennessee, which hushed up criticality accidents while contaminating nearby air and water.

        There are three reasons these Cold War nuclear facilities turned into such environmental catastrophes. First, the Cold War American state, fixated on winning the arms race, put a premium on beating the Soviets at all costs. Producing uranium, plutonium, and weapons components was a higher priority than protecting the health of nearby residents or the workers at the plants, a disproportionate number of whom died of cancer. Ironically, since 1945, American nuclear weapons, intended to keep the country safe, have mainly killed Americans.

        A second factor was state secrecy. As leading Cold War public intellectuals such as Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Edward Shils argued, abuse thrives in the dark, and Cold War secrecy provided much cover of darkness to places like Hanford. For decades, government officials and the contractors that ran the plants were able to deflect civilian regulators, nosy journalists, local citizens, even congressmen, by hiding behind the skirts of national security. …

        • rogerthat

          Officials defined vital nuclear secrets expansively, to include not just the design and deployment details of weapons, but also the secret harms inflicted on Americans through their production. Anyone who revealed the extent of contamination risked losing his clearance or being incarcerated. The harms concealed at production facilities were mostly caused by accidents and bureaucratically ingrained negligence, but they were sometimes deliberate—as in the now infamous 1949 “Green Run,” when Hanford deliberately released a substantial invisible cloud of radioactive iodine and xenon to see how it would disperse.

          Finally, we should not underestimate how novel and complex nuclear technology was in the early decades of the Cold War. Physicists, engineers, and technicians were still learning how the technology worked, how esoteric radioactive materials behaved in a range of conditions, and how toxic waste products were absorbed into the environment. As in any endeavor, you learn by making mistakes. Unfortunately, those mistakes left a legacy of contaminated Cold War production sites around the country that are beginning to look like a permanent archipelago of national sacrifice zones. “Will Hanford ever be cleaned up?” was the title of a 2013 Seattle Times article noting how little progress had been made after spending $36 billion on cleaning the site.

          If the pathology of the Cold War was secrecy and an atmosphere of emergency, we have the opposite pathology now. …

          • rogerthat

            Department of Energy websites catalogue the contamination in great detail—after all, the more contaminated the site, the more money Congress should provide to clean it—and official timelines for cleanup stretch interminably beyond the lifetimes of many living Americans.

            In a perverse way, radioactive contamination has gone from a shameful secret to be concealed to an asset to be milked. The cleanup campaign is becoming like the counterinsurgency campaign in Afghanistan, America’s longest war.

            It takes place on the periphery of American public vision; it greatly enriches contractors; and there is always light at the end of the tunnel, but the only way we get near the light is when the tunnel collapses.

            • q Farthington MacMananus

              Mind if I mention something else, it's close to WIPP, I guess.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Rock,_New_Mexico

              "On July 16, 1979, the dam at a United Nuclear Corporation (based in Virginia) Church Rock uranium mill was breached and spilled 1,100 tons of milled uranium ore and 94 million US gallons (360,000 m3) of heavy metal effluent into the Puerco River.[4] This was the largest release of radioactive waste in U.S. history, but until recently, no epidemiological studies were undertaken of the effects on the population.[5] With the declining uranium market, two of the mines closed in 1983 and the third closed in February 1986.[6]"

  • rogerthat

    this should be compulsory reading for everyone

  • Sol Man

    Unfortunately it has come to this conclusion: there is no hope for a society, for any people, that accepts, invests in, a technology that introduces poisons beyond description to our common home. The same goes for the crimes of pedophiles against the nations' children.

    Honor and safety are gone as integrity has vanished.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      "…there is no hope for a society, for any people, that accepts, invests in, a technology that introduces poisons beyond description…"

      And it seems there's an awful lot of that.

  • GOM GOM

    {Story idea credit:
    Farthington MacMananus}

    Culling The Natives At Church Rock

    2013

    For Church Rock residents there was NO state of emergency, NO
    evacuation, and LIMITED
    alternative water supplies.

    The Navajo Nation was littered with abandoned, open, and radon-emitting former mine sites—at least 1,032 of them.

    To Date:

    38 water wells, streams, and other water sources were found to exceed health limits for radionuclides. Written warnings in both Diné (Navajo) and English are posted on wells whose water is unsafe to drink.

    https://www.chemheritage.org/distillations/magazine/on-poisoned-ground

    Complicit to MURDER:

    Nevada Test Site

    Hanford Nuclear Reservation

    US 'Government" and ALL IT ENCOMPASSES

    The U.S. Geological Survey considers the Church Rock incident the largest accidental radioactive release in the United States.
    SO WHY NOT SHOUT IT TO THE WORLD?

  • Sol Man

    Nuclear;
    now clear
    of life.

  • Mack Mack

    Did you know they give tours of Hanford? Apparently they're quite popular:

    http://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/local/hanford/article143859629.html

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