Alert: Top Japan nuclear official suggests Fukushima reactors “leaking directly into sea”… not mixing with groundwater and getting diluted — Expert: Contamination flowing from plant will be carried away to North America’s west coast

Published: October 17th, 2013 at 7:03 pm ET


Jiji Press, Oct. 16, 2013: Tepco’s toxic water failures pitiful: NRA […] Tepco is pumping up groundwater and has injected a water-stopping agent into the ground near the plant’s port in order to curb the flow of radioactive groundwater into the sea. Despite such efforts, the levels of cesium-137 in seawater samples collected between the water intakes for reactors 1 and 2 inside the port rose to around 100 becquerels per liter this month from around 10 becquerels between late June and early July. […] Radioactive water from the damaged reactors “may be leaking directly into the sea instead of mixing with groundwater before making its way into the sea,” [Nuclear Regulation Authority Commissioner Toyoshi] Fuketa said. […]

Vladimir Kovbasyuk, Russian Hydrometeorological Expert
, Oct. 16, 2013: “We analyzed the problems several years ago, when the 2011 earthquake and tornado hit the Fukushima nuclear plant. Radioactive waters will first be carried away to the west coast of North America and only then, on intermingling with other ocean waters, may they return to the Russian coast. Currently, we are measuring radiation levels, and we’ve registered no excess radiation thus far.” […]

It appears Fuketa has provided the answer to the ‘mystery’ discussed on NHK’s ‘Nuclear Watch’ earlier this year: [intlink id=”mystery-tv-expert-says-oceans-radiation-levels-too-high-to-be-explained-by-only-groundwater-there-must-be-other-routes-for-contamination-thats-flowing-into-pacific-devastating-impact” type=”post”]{{empty}}[/intlink]

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Published: October 17th, 2013 at 7:03 pm ET


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130 comments to Alert: Top Japan nuclear official suggests Fukushima reactors “leaking directly into sea”… not mixing with groundwater and getting diluted — Expert: Contamination flowing from plant will be carried away to North America’s west coast

  • johnnyo

    "Way down, below the ocean
    i wanna be
    She may be"

    Cant cry. Cant laugh. Can still sometimes sing.

  • weeman

    Dilution is a misnomer, what is the difference if one liter contains 1000 becquerels of contamination before mixing with ground water and after it is a 100 becquerels per liter, only difference is the amount of water realeased and is below standards, but the same amount of radiation is still migrating to ocean?
    We're it will be diluted further, no level of radiation is safe, it is linear.
    If they are right does that not mean that the ground water that is contaminated originated from leaking tanks, spills, etc, and not the cores?

    • We Not They Finally

      "Dilution" is the wrong thing to be teaching. "Cumulative" is the ticket. WHATEVER you're ingesting, however much, it's cumulative.

  • jeffm

    Google this paragraph: "Reactor 4 had been totally defueled to facilitate replacement of its stainless steel shroud, yet it exploded anyway. This is the smoking gun – Fukushima's WTC Building 7 (which was never hit by a plane) – an empty reactor, totally inert and so incapable of producing any explosion – one that happened anyway!"

    • weeman

      Which means that at every nuclear reactor with a SFP, you have the potential of a nuclear detonation in a uncontained building and that was not predicted by the nuclear industry, don't want to frighten people who live near a nuclear reactor, which is most of us in north America.
      Four has always fascinated me, I know what happened in the other three melt downs, I don't know the extent off course, but four has no explanation? It also has the largest blast radius, no pictures of main event, why there is none, a nuclear dedonation would knock the cameras of line or they don't want you to see the detonation?
      Please find me a video of the main events, yes more than one.
      It sure would be a nail in the coffin of the nuclear industry?
      Better a nail in their coffin than mine.

    • We Not They Finally

      jeffm, the main website that seemed to be claiming that reactor 4 had been defueled, also says that there was NO EARTHQUAKE. None at all, all made up.

      Also that they are printing "the truth about Jewish control," blaming Israel –no, worse, "the Jews," like everyone Jewish– for the everything that happened in Japan.

      These so-called "truth-tellers" apparently could not even figure out how not to act like blatant anti-semites.

      Do you believe EVERYTHING you read on the internet? Even people who have impugned some Israeli involvement (stuxnet and the like) are not going as extremist and anti-Semitic routes as this.

      Arnie Gundersen does NOT say it had been defueled incidentally, and I sure take his word over theirs.

      It would be appreciated if you could be more discriminating.

  • johnnyo

    Maybe the lesson is a country should not have a foreign company run security at a NPP and piss off its home country by being for its arch enemy getting a voice at the UN and helping its other arch enemy refine uranium. And, if you were so foolhardy to do all that…do not allow the foreign company to install a "camera" the size of a walk-in closet when today's technology can get the job done with one the size of a loaf of bread if that.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      What should the US do about Westinghouse which is now owned 85% by the Japanese (Toshiba)? And why should the other nuclear company in the US be Hitachi-GE? I don't think you can blame Fukushima on foreign ownership. On the other hand the US should stop Japanese ownership of US nuclear energy.

      • Ourself Ourself

        He was alluding to the work of Jim Stone.

        • johnnyo

          Thank u Ourself, but I'm pretty sure she knew very well what I alluded to. It caused a reflexive defense mechanism manifest in taking the allegations somewhere completely off tangent in order to throw the masses off the scent. old tricks

    • We Not They Finally

      There are also obviously larger issues in play than just this country and that country. Internationally, corruption, lies and wrongful use of power is rampant. Even consider that W.H.O., that is supposed to assist in health worldwide, signed an agreement in 1959 to not print anything about radioactivity without checking with IAEA, which is there to PROMOTE nuclear power. It's a whole international web of lies and difficult to attack piece-meal.

      The U.N. as a whole needs to convene some huge conference about the imminent DANGERS. I believe the current Secretary had tried but was stopped. (Not totally sure of that.) The U.N. would at least be a LARGE venue and maybe attract publicity. Apparently they have to just NOT invite W.H.O. or the IAEA. It's all a heavy lift, obviously!

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    The ocean surrounds Japan.

  • mornam

    Apart from killing and giving cancer to marine life and humans who eat seafood, I fear that the phytoplankton of all the world's connected oceans will be affected by this contamination of the Pacific. As phytoplankton provide a significant amount of the world's oxygen what will be the consequences? I fear that this ongoing release will have consequences more grave than we can imagine.

    • We Not They Finally

      Share that concern. Just the factor of air being less rich in oxygen hinders human functioning — both physically and mentally.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    mornam you are correct!

    Yes, it does kills people/humans/all life it comes into contact with! It's exactly what it does! 🙁

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      “…Arafat showed no hair loss or decline in bone marrow activity — symptoms that typically occur in radiation poisoning….
      "’There is still no conclusion that he was poisoned.’…"

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Obewan. The quotation I quoted is from the very link which you provided in your own comment which I was replying to. The quotation is the conclusion of your very own link and in your link just above that conclusion.
          October 17, 2013 at 11:13 pm

          mornam you are correct!

          Yes, it does kills people/humans/all life it comes into contact with! It's exactly what it does! 🙁

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            Arafat and Polonium Poisoning: A Sort-of Update
            “…In the Al Jazeera piece you’ll find a link to the Lancet paper (paywall). It takes you to an essay titled: ‘Improving Forensic Investigation for Polonium Poisoning.’
            “And this essay is written not by a panel of independent experts but by scientists affiliated with the Institute for Radiation Physics in Lausanne, Switzerland. This is the laboratory that did the initial testing on which Al Jazeera based its report on Arafat’s death. And these are the scientists reviewing that work; this essay is far more cautious than the news agency’s analysis would lead you to believe.
            “It notes that the laboratory analyzed 75 samples, 38 from Arafat’s clothes and belongings and the rest from reference samples, material known to be polonium free. ‘Several’ of the Arafat samples read notably higher than the reference material but not all. The scientists note that Arafat’s illness did not follow some of the classic lines of radiation exposure, such as immune suppression and hair loss. They also acknowledge that this doesn’t rule out radiation poisoning; that not all people respond identically and that other symptoms, such as nausea or fatigue, do fit the pattern.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              “The scientists also acknowledge that the fact Arafat died in 2004 made it difficult to do precise readings of polonium-210 which is known to decay relatively rapidly (It has a half-life of 138.4 days, which means that what they found was breakdown products of that decay rather than the element itself.) ‘An autopsy would have been useful in this case,’ the researchers say, and they recommend that in the future, when poison might be suspected, tissue and blood samples be taken and preserved for later investigation.
              “That’s, in fact, the conclusion of the essay….”

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            I just wanted to confirm the end status clarified that yes it was radiation… 🙂

            I understand what you plucked out of the worries.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              They didn't even find polonium, but only daughter products. And not enough that would have shown that he died of polonium poisoning.

              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                Why do you want to banter over this?

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                  Accurate reporting always matters. There is no proof that he was poisoned. A simple check of the link provided in the al-Jazeerah article would have shown what the scientists actually concluded. It was just an essay, not a peer reviewed article in the Lancelet. If poison is suspected, tissue samples should have been taken and an autopsy performed at the time of death.

                  Polonium is not a very good way to kill someone. It can kill the person carrying around the poison and others as well. It is also very difficult to procure. And it is hardly a secret when it happens.

              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                polonium |pəˈlōnēəm|
                the chemical element of atomic number 84, a radioactive metal occurring in nature only as a product of radioactive decay of uranium.(Symbol: Po )
                ORIGIN late 19th cent.: modern Latin, from medieval Latin Polonia ‘Poland’ (the native country of Marie Curie, the element's codiscoverer).

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              "The international investigation of causes of death of former Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat has come to an end.

              Experts confirmed that he died as a result of polonium poisoning.

              The results of the investigation were handed over to the widow of the Palestinian leader, Suha Arafat. She will then decide what to do with this information and whether it is subject to official publication."

              is this statement true?

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                I couldn't determine the link for your quotation. Do you have the link?

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                    Pravda didn't give the link to the scientific findings which were published in the Lancet, and which were inconclusive.

                    I am sorry that you consider the truth bantering.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      You have no truth and what you have here say, the same we all have at our disposal these days and simply a twist in the wind of the played on minds…

                      What ever they handed over to his widow is good enough for me, but obviously it is not for you..

                      You are what I thought you were, and yes, I do seek the truth but I do not pound people over the head relentlessly trying to find it.

                      That maneuvering skill is a very well groomed.. taught practice. Some political parties use it (the same techniques) extensively too!

                      You can't always get what you want!

                    • We Not They Finally

                      obewan, not my fight, but you're attacking someone just for doing careful research? "You are what I thought you were"? What does that even MEAN?

                      Let people research as much as they want and print it! That's not manipulation, it's just RESEARCH, and you come off bad, far as I can tell.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      I come off bad?

                      Here is the deal, I made a very simple reference as to how radiation (polonium) is used to kill people. Highlighting a simple link to verify how bad radiation really is and then I was attacked about the minor particulars.

                      I did not make any political statement here requiring any banter at all, which I received in volume based on a simple link, which I then followed up with the actual legal determination link and still I got more banter, until I put an end to it.

                      We are all here to fight Nuclear Radiation Contamination in all forms and not here to determine what killed somebody.

                      Sorry, you must not have been in on the look in the mirror thread either which would explain why all this/reason for banter about nothing of importance.

                      Polonium is bad stuff and yes it's also radiation and it can kill people!

                    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

                      ….remember the force Obewan…use it, and rise above.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Just a simple explanatory defense for the force.. 🙂

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            Improving forensic investigation for polonium poisoning
            Pascal Froidevaux PhD a, Sébastien Baechler PhD a, Claude J Bailat PhD a, Vincent Castella PhD b, Marc Augsburger PhD b, Katarzyna Michaud MD b, Patrice Mangin MD b, Dr François O Bochud PhD a

      • Go Flying

        Enough already with Arafat. Not in this thread please

  • Dilution matters not at source levels. The total Bq entering the sea is all that matters and it is HUGE.

    Mother sea is being killed little by little.

    Crime against humanity

    • Sol Man

      Stock- "Mother sea is being killed little by little."
      I hang my head in sorrow that the world is not what I hoped it would be back in the 70's…the problem now is so huge. My sincere apologies to the future.

      • We Not They Finally

        Yes. Mine and husband's world paradigm also shifted with all this. We thought o.k., the world has always had problems, but then aware people struggle and protest and there is progress. That somehow, there would always be progress.

        We cannot see the world the same anymore. But what's equally dismaying is that the massive lies about nuclear power that led up to this have been going strong since the 1940's! And corrupted institutions all over the globe.

        We want a better future for the young — OF COURSE we do. We just hope that they have the strength to confront it. It will be hard.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          WNTF, hope future generations will have the strength to confront the radiation…and the corrupt forces? I can hardly see the sense of this. They will confront illness. The people in the highest organizations that exist on the global stage are corrupt; IEAE, WHO, UN, apparently all government leaders. Is that something one is ABLE to confront? They have the weapons, the power, the money, the media…everything. Lets hope those petitions spring into effect!

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes… 🙁

  • Wyakin Wyakin

    Agreed-you are all very perceptive and wise.

    The general lack of understanding and appreciation for the interconnectedness of biological organisms and their importance/relationship to human existence is absent.

    The continued mainstream reporting of Cs Bqs which omit the Sr90, PU, and other FU nucleotides flowing into the ocean, significantly understates the actual Bq levels and health consequences.

    The connection of the sea and forest and the creatures living in both has been known for as long as language has been spoken in North America by the Native Americans.

    In addition to atmospheric oxygen replenishment, phytoplankton feeds zooplankton and small invertebrates, which are the food source for salmon.

    The demise of North American West coast salmon will have profound impacts on the Pacific Ocean and forest ecosystems.

    “Fine-scale spatiotemporal influences of salmon on growth and nitrogen signatures of Sitka spruce tree rings,” published 10/04/2013.


    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Excellent contribution and I saw the damage personally in 2011 and 2012 and now so are others..

    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      A simple analogy. The worlds creatures are like the organs in your body. You kill off too many and you die.

      • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        Exactly StPaulScout , every species is an organ on this planet, not a unimportant resource or decorum . But the algoritme of profit is the sworn enemy of life , and uncapable of recognizing the logic of life in the bigger picture , the only logic that matters..
        If you can't sell it , tax it , or patent it.. it has no reason to exist..except for wordcraft an promised lies to hypnotise the public for votes or whatever to continue creating the optimal conditions for the serial genocidal rapist's on the top.. bankers , koch-roaches , nukers , military-industrial calligula's , gmo etc..

  • harengus_acidophilus

    No difference.

    "may be leaking directly into the sea
    instead of mixing with groundwater"

    The amount of nuclides doesn't change – diluted or not.

    Also nice:
    "Radioactive waters will first be carried away
    to the west coast of North America"

    Operation Payback?
    Who has had chosen the location Fukushima?



  • 27 out of 42 comments devoted to Arafat poisoning. I did not know he was (allegedly) poisoned. Your all very nice people yet this is really distracting from the subject matter. I don't get it. These types of situations are always up for conjecture anyways.

    But what I really want to point out is these radiation polluting the sea stories do not enphasize the real danger of bio-accumulation. By talking about when the radiation gets to the west coast misses the point. People eat fish. Yet no one really knows what goes on in the ocean. What fish eat what fish? and where do they go? They totally mis-calculated the number of returning salmon. Don't know why some of them are yellow. Don't know where the sardines went. Don't know why the starfish are turning to mush and, etc. etc. etc.
    Yet they all tell us (with authority) not to worry, the radiation will just dilute. Who's being stupid here?

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    To think it only started with one.. 🙂

    I think the entire world (but not us) is being stupid here!

    But the money these Nuke Puke people are it's just so good!!!

  • Wyakin Wyakin

    Hi Mark-you're point is well taken. There are often off topic discussions, some fruitful, many not so.

    You appear to be expressing the main point several have articulated above. Despite credentials, no one really knows how all the oceanic systems work and all the species interact nor the magnitude of the Tepco discharges. In my opinion, the effects as well as the modalities of low level radiation transport in the ocean and connected ecosystems are fair game for discussion in the thread.

    Theories start with premises that have apparent connections.

    I think the best suggestion of the day to address knowing what's really going on in the ocean goes to Eyechix in the Yellow Salmon thread:

    "I'm glad to see independent biologists are very concerned and have picked up this story. We need knowledgeable, honest people to get to the bottom of this, who have access to testing facilities."

    The frustration I share with most here is readily having access to independent lab access/facility produced results to really get into more tangible analysis of the issues.

    The existing studies on marine species radiation bio-magnification as a result of the FU disaster have pro-nuclear sponsors and contain noticeable understatements of radiological concentrations, and a steadfast presentation that the majority of radiation ingested by sealife is excreted.

    The challenge for us all is to stick to topic, but also find objective data.


  • Lawrence Whitmore

    What are the main radioactive isotopes being released at Fukushima? And what are the most pressing issues with the plant right now in terms of release or potential release of radioactive material into the environment?

  • FXofTruth

    Does anyone care that this is a NUCLEAR WAR ATTACK by Japan against the United States and the World? Oh that's right….we are all "friends" now….right….

    If you can't screw your friends, who can you screw? World War 2 never stopped even though the conventional bombing did. There was only a long lull in the fighting while the weapons technology developed. Now we have "Weapons of Total and Silent Destruction" being used by the Japanese against the US. Not true? Really? Prove it wrong then with facts.

    The reality seen happening now is, a full-scale nuclear bombardment of air, land, and sea covering 1,000s of miles of total destruction and devastation over a long period of time. Prove it's not an attack. They rejected "ALL help" to fight the "nuclear disaster" so, it would go out of "control" which it has.

    We have no way of protecting ourselves because our Government is allowing the attacks on the water, land, and air and not informing us about the attacks. Prove that wrong.

    • bo bo

      Ummmm….FXof Truth have you thought about why U.S.government is allowing attacks on water land and air and not informing us about 'the attacks'? Because they are completely complicit. Have you wondered why Obama still promotes nuclear energy ? Why he appointed Jack Immelt, the CEO of General Electric as Chief Economic Advisor for the U.S. ? It is because it is indeed the other way around – Obama was appointed to be President by General Electric. This country has been bought out. To get the right picture, it is almost like you have to think everything the opposite of what it seems, like Alice in Wonderland. In regards to you essentially saying 'the Japs are attacking US!' – one could very well respond that actually Japan was attacked by U.S. at Fukushima. But the more accurate description of it is that innocent people on both countries are all being attacked by the nuclear industry and governments which are complicit.

      Your thought process is all jumbled up due to a panicked mind set.
      I see similar versions of your thought pattern posted on this site frequently (though not as extreme as yours), usually with racist overtones.

      This is another reason why it is important the attempts that are being made here to untangle the nuclear industry – who it is, how it started, who plays major roles, who is complicit. Keep following the great analysis being done and shared daily by the veterans here and you will learn a great deal.

      • bo bo

        Continued – take some time in actually opening the links being generously shared here by the veterans and read them, instead of just using enenews ad a place to come and vent. This site is a treasure trove of reading material, and at least I'm learning more here than I did in college.

        When the masses finally wake up to this situation -if it ever does, that is – many will turn to a hysteric mindset just like what you posted. Once mass hysteria takes over there will be no room for ligic, and guess what, that is a very convenient place for a Fascist government to take over. I do believe the U.S. government already is essentially a fascist state – but at least right now it tries to keep the appearance that it is not. With the nation in mass hysteria it may just grab that opportunity to turn the country officially fascist.

        • bo bo

          This is why although some may argue a lot of the so called 'off topic' discussions here is useless chatter, I value it just as equally as the engineering discussions taking place here.

        • harengus_acidophilus

          I'm scaredof this opportunity too.

          " … that is a very convenient place for a Fascist government to take over. I do believe the U.S. government already is essentially a fascist state"

          Fascism is defined as the collaboration between buisiness and government. It's essential for freedom itself they fight each other to get a "balance of power". If one side wins – game is over.
          Take a look at history: the roman empire. The society was like the 1930s w/o electricity and fuel engines. They had have schools, universities, state wide road construction, bridges (some of them are still in use in europe), aquaeducts over dozens of miles with 1‰ Slope builded by in parts from different companies at the same time, and so on … but greed and ignorance from the upper class (civilisation IS expensive) take them down.
          In the world of today the US is going the same way.

          Think about: dozens of broken NPPs and uneducated people.
          "The poisonous breath of the dragon", or fairy tales:
          magic mirrors or mobile phones?


        • Ourself Ourself

          Very well said, Bo.

    • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

      You have no idea how much the island of Japan means to people from Japan. That's their whole universe. Why would you think they would do this on purpose?

      You will see the biggest heartbreak ever in the history of the world if Japan is destroyed by this.

      For the Japanese, losing Japan is like losing the ground beneath your feet. The island is everything to them; it defined their culture and their history.

      • bo bo

        Exactly. That's the much simpler explanation.

      • We Not They Finally

        Re Japan, yes, AND…. Pride precedeth the fall. There seems to be a mentality of hubris versus servility there that is surreal. The children there have been traditionally taught (don't know if modern however) that there is Japan and there is the rest of the world. And there is an ethic about "saving face" to the point of bizarre. They want to save face because they are BETTER. But ARE they better? And they will be forced to take on a responsibility to the rest of the world that they never in a million years thought they would be obligated to do.

        Oh, America has it's own crazy cultural problems. We're a VERY dangerous country to go off the rails! But a lot of people here think that it's Americans who are just automatically BETTER. Even if they are uneducated, chauvinistic, self-indulgent, crude, etc.

        So no, no one wrecks their own country on purpose. But if there are grave cracks in their cultural mentality, sooner or later they get corrected. Japan "overreached," to say the very least. Out of hubris and feeling infallible they built huge NPP's on an earthquake fault, aquifer, porous ground, and on the ocean. Remember the word "tsunami" CAME from Japan.

        It's tragic to say but it will be BETTER for the people of Japan to realize that they need to get out of there or their entire genome, not jut their land, is gone. There will be more than enough tears, but they really REALLY need to act to start saving lives.

    • USA sold these crappy plants to Japan after the war. USA Economic Hitmen, aka GE and Babcox and Wilcox was the point men.

      Now USA, seriously, last year stated that Japan NOT starting the reactors is a security threat to the USA. hmmmmmmm

      Clinton agreed to buy contaminated foods from Japan.

      USA rolled out the "BP playbook" after 311, when Japan was reporting honest reports about the accident (TEPCO was still lying). USA showed Japan that honesty was not an acceptable policy.

      All the hitmen are in this together, and we are being hit. But don't blame Japan on ALL of this, and certainly, they are not trying to attack USA.

    • Its always good to hear other opinions with an open mind. However knowing the truth is the first step in dealing with any problem.
      Japan nuked itself.

      This is a coverup to protect an economy that works for a minority of people. The crisis is underplayed by all Western officials, WHO, NATO, media etc etc. Japan is third largest economy in the world. Too big to fail. To fix this problem correctly would bankrupt Japan. That would destabilize their economy so they are just going to let it bleed radiation. The untimely death of millions or billions of people is OK as far as the Powers That Be are concerned as long as their money machine remains intact. That is the true prize. We are all being duped. Japan lying to its people with bullshit de-contamination efforts instead of evacuation. PM Obe claiming all water borne radiation contained in Dai-ichi harbour when any school kid can see its not so from information easily obtained on internet. USA doing the same thing with the "crisis" between Republican and Democrats resulting in nothing but a huge distraction from real issues. Gotta do something as Syria invasion plan failed. Sure over the years cancer rates will go up ten twenty? % worldwide? On the west coast? In Japan? You or me? People will die but the economy will be sustained. Thats what they care about. The world isn't going to end, the world is going to change.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Yep..and/but if any more of these Nuke Plants go up in smoke around the world like it is predicted, then lets just say the world will change a great deal faster..much faster.. for the worse. 🙁

        Humans had better get to making some very tough adult decisions..and quickly!

  • jackassrig

    The Russians mentioned a tornado. What the heck is that all about.

    • lickerface lickerface

      I wondered about this as well. I'm thinking it may be a translation issue, and they meant tsunami… although when I go to Google Translate and convert "tornado" and "tsunami" to Russian, I see two distinctly different words. Hmm.

  • bo bo

    And in regards to fish…
    This gets mentioned here over and over but I am just noting again on this thread to those who say 'I stopped eating tuna sandwiches'…

    Fish too radioactive for people to eat (even by U.S.'s extremely relaxed standards) will be ground up and thrown right into the feeding tubs in the factory farms, and will bioaccumulate in an even more concentrate form in the beef, chicken, and pork, as well as the dairy and eggs.

  • weeman

    No this is the right place for it, consider it part of dilution?

  • bo bo

    In weird way I'm actually happy for those cows and pigs roaming wild in fukushima.
    With radiation shielding them, they finally have freedom under the sun.

    If the world is going down in a hand basket anyway, let's release all the animals in factory farms and circuses from bondage and carnage, and relive them from suffering before we go.

    • bo bo

      Oops off topic. Please excuse – too much coffee, losing focus

      • Not off topic in the sense of the big picture the question is How to stop this madness? Fukushima just one aspect, one symptom of a larger problem. Fukushima happened because Tepco was too cheap to install proper safeguards in a quest to maximize profits. The horrible way animals are treated in slaughterhouses is another example of ignoring pain and suffering to maximize profits. All the litter and pollution created makes money for someone at the expense of the environment and general health of citizens. To stop the flow of radiation into the ocean would require trillions of dollars and bankrupt Japan. This would create a world wide recession and angry poor people with no jobs, thus time on their hands, are harder to control then well fed people busy with jobs. However stopping the flow of radiation to the sea would help ensure a healthy food supply for everyones childrens children. A matter of priorities. Somehow we have to stop the madness. The economy is a man made idea that basically condones pissing in your drink for profit. We need a whole attitude shift. We are raping our childrens future in so many ways.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Yes, Mark and bo. The factory farming and GMO's, use of radioactive fertilizer, selenium contamination from fertilizers, all are a travesty.

          Buying grass fed and pastured meats and eggs, milk is beyond the means of most people. And these healthful sources of food are now in jeopardy because of the radioactive contamination. Even the non-GMO, organic food isn't safe anymore.

          It will likely come to the point where the only safe food is from aquaponic farms where the water and air are highly filtered. How do you get those inputs (air and water) clean, and take care of disposing your filters in a safe manner? They will become radioactive waste.

          OT, may continue in Forum.

  • 富岡_Blue_Heron Blue_Heron

    I just successfully registered for this site. My thanks to the administrators.

    I have been watching the cam streams provided by the Japanese since the storm and can only liken the experience to the allegory of Plato's Cave. Yesterday (10/17) from approx 08:30 – 12:00 jst, a crane apparently hoisted a panel onto the exterior of #4, another crane appeared to pour a liquid on top of #3, then around 10:15 – 10:30 a 4 or 5 man crew appeared on the roof (?) of #3, walking around real fast for about 20 minutes, then a crane apparently hoisted an entire power shovel OVER #3 and from the camera's perspective, the damn digger appeared to be driving on the roof of #3. Or am I losing my marbles here?

  • Sickputer

    The Japanese nucleorats are the crazy ones. There is no possibility of "decommission" at a wrecked nuclear complex. There can only be containment efforts, futile as they may be.

    The spent rod assembly recovery attempts at Unit 4 will fail badly because they are no longer safe to move. They will quit very soon after the first nuclear explosion…hopefully it will not be a plant-destroying event.

    The best strategy is to erect a larger structure around each reactor building…huge enough to have a vast supply of water in the new structure in case the wrecked buildings collapse.

    They won't do that because each building would require more money than they are willing to spend. But when they lose central Japan and have to relocate 40 million people they will regret not devoting everything they have to contain the danger. Where is the Japanese military? Guarding the Emperor against all those unarmed citizens?

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Sickputer, I've also been thinking there should be more shielding around the spent fuel pools, and redundancy in safeguards before they begin to try moving the fuel rods in the spent fuel pool. Ditto for the other spent fuel pools (whatever may be left of them). Especially wondering about the status of the common SFP. Never hear about that.

  • GlowingRainSeattle

    If they (japan/tepco) asked or wants international help, why the hell hasn't any country jumped on board to get this 'ish under control as much as possible? And if they are on board, why is there nothing being said as to who is helping and what the options are? I know that (logically) there isn't anything that can be done anymore. Up ish creek with no paddles, but I can't stand this outta site outta mind attitude the world is taking over this. Can't we do that for this? …sorry, I'm not too educated on how that works, but if it could, shouldn't we at least try?? As trivial as it may sound and probably is, would it at least help to make a change?

  • pkjn

    Tritium Levels Triple in Fukushima Groundwater
    Tokyo, Oct. 18 (Jiji Press)–
    Groundwater taken Thursday from an observation well north of a leaky water storage tank contained a record 790,000 becquerels per liter of radioactive tritium, up from 230,000 becquerels in groundwater sampled on Wednesday, according to Tokyo Electric.
    At the same well, levels of beta ray-emitting radioactive substances including strontium jumped to 400,000 becquerels on Thursday, up about 6,500-fold from the previous day, according to Tokyo Electric.

  • FXofTruth

    Bo, it's great that all this high quality analysis is being achieved here but, it still doesn't address the rudimentary question of why Japan has allowed this "event" to expand to the proportions of threatening the entire planet! They never asked for help since 3/11. They just keep lying and misrepresenting the facts.

    Since wars are waged with nuclear weapons, my reasoning is based on the FACT that the media keep referencing this disaster to "10,000 times the radiation of Hiroshima"…last time I checked that city was hit by a nuclear weapon during the war. So, if references are made to a city that was involved in a nuclear attack then, one can assume that someone could be allowing this on-going disaster to permeate toward our country because, someone has an axe to grind with us. But, we'll just assume I have jumbled logic….

    Though my "jumbled logic" is based on 60 years of living and watching events unfold for decades that have had hidden agendas every time. There is ALWAYS secret agendas…they never let a good crisis go to waste!

    • bo bo

      FX, I do not have an answer to that, why Japan has allowed this to happen.
      Perhaps mark's response, it's all about $$$ for people in the top (both japan and u.s. ), who have investments to worry about – that is the correct answer.

      I don't claim to have the soundest of logic or the most information, and obviously you have more experience than me, but I do still feel you saying that the Japanese are intentionally attacking the u.s. – that strikes out to me to be a bit off the mark.

      You really do not think your own government could be attacking you, as well ?

      By your logic – my parents who live in Tokyo, are attacking me, who live in the states.

      • bo bo

        I couldn't agree with you more, however, that there are many secret agendas we need to be vigilant about.

        • bo bo

          I think the engineers on this site have better perspective on this (perhaps more could have been done) but my understanding is that even if japan did ask for help there is no techmology available to fix such s disaster. This is not being allowed to happen out of some 'axe to grind against the u.s.'

          Every now and then there is discussion about how tepco should have done this or that but a lot of those suggestions are based on the assumption that SPF4 haven't burned off. But if hatrick penry's theory is correct, really, the worst had already happened and there is no technology in the world to put humpty back together again. That could be the answer to your question : why haven't Japan asked for help? ( btw prime minister actually did make a plea but there was silence from other countries) Have you read any of those articles, or the great article cataclysmic posted today, of the analysis of the WHO reports on Fukushima, which reveals IAEA completely complicit in media blackout and in a sense, killing childrenof Japan, and of the west coast of u.s.?

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      FX, to let radiation drift to the states for retaliation makes no sense. They would and are destroying their own country. It seems a more likely answer is that the problem is so large nobody can successfully fix the problem. Do we know for sure they didnt ask for help? Do we know for sure people from around the world arent working on this? I bet they are

      • bo bo

        Exactly you had written the concise version of my answer while I eas composing my long winded version of it! Thanks, code.

        • bo bo

          Actually I'm rereading my last post, my logic is rather jumbled up as well and poorly written, I go completely with code's answer here

  • yohananw

    Chernobyl elephant's foot contrasts with much worse Fukushima coriums' radiating the Pacific (subject of this thread). See at 8:26 in "The Sacrifice (Chernobyl liquidators made, 1986 and thereafter)–Part 2/2"

    ps – bo is correct on GE USA's big part in disaster.

  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    No matter what happens, no matter how many people get sick and die, no matter how much of the planet is destroyed…In the end…


  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    The destruction caused by humanity is proof of the planet's low self-esteem. It has no idea how beautiful it is and how much it needs to be alive. If it did, it wouldn't have creatures that rape it like humans do.

    But Earth, you ARE beautiful and you deserve to thrive. Change the way you see yourself. Learn to love yourself because there is no one like you in the whole solar system, or maybe even the whole galaxy.

    Just because you are alone doesn't mean you have to die. I am sorry for hurting you and not telling you how much I love you. You are beautiful.

    Now fix yourself up and spin proud around The Sun. You are worthy to grow in its light.


    • We Not They Finally

      Yes, yes, AND… I hope for all our sakes there are other beautiful planets out there. It may take WAY more highly-evolved beings than us to "fix" this. I'm all for humans growing into the role — it's just getting scary out there.

  • bdais92

    what can I/WE do??? Everyone around me is sooo sick and tired of me mentioning anything to do with Fukushima. I would love to help, instead of reading and informing people that DONT wanna be informed and really dont care!!!! Fear mongering, The truth, what may/can happen ,is that all we can do is talk??? Could it really be an ELE?? that doesnt mean all people die at once, but as soon as Humans and robots can no longer be at the site due to extreme levels of radiation, the plant is lost and we are then just waiting for death with zero ability to cool cores and the SFP or reactor 5 and 6

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      What can you do? Indeed you go against the UN, the governments and corporations (facsism) plus their military. Thus, there is really nothing you can do.

      If people dont want to listen, it doesnt matter, they will suffer disease either way. If you really wanted to do something, start a cooperative settlement in south America for people who want to escape the north

  • bdais92

    probably off topic but…… Ive lost motivation and energy to do the active things I love to do, my friends and family are worried, all because Im soo addicted to reading and researching everything I can about this disaster!! I want answers to soo many of my questions that just cant be answered….I dont think Im scared, I just truly want to be informed and its got my full attention and interest for what seems like forever now….nobody wants to hear anything, they just tell me to live my life and dont worry about it, theres nothing you can do anyway……. but getting any kind of info is like crack to an addict for me….. Then theres always the question, who do you believe???

  • We Not They Finally

    leaking, leaking, leaking… Astounding that these people STILL can't get the words "coriums" or "re-criticality" out of their mouths. They keep playing guessing games, of we can't possibly have any idea why the radiation keeps rising exponentially?

    It's like if you just don't SAY it, then maybe it doesn't exist? When do they start at least CONSIDERING it?

  • rockyourworld

    i wouldnt want to live in the toilet states that drink desalinized ocean eeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww

  • rockyourworld

    as for contamination in pet food, my kitten is sick to his stomach today, refused to eat cat food for the first time in weeks and only wanted his kitten formula. as for me ive been sick to my stomach after eating the most delicious shrimp with lobster sauce,twice no less. no diarhea and no vomiting just sick sick sick to my stomach for weeks now.

  • rockyourworld

    i ate the forbidden fruit (shrimp from unknown origins) for the first and second time since the bp spill!!!!!

  • rockyourworld

    when i ate the shrimp i justified it by telling myself fukushima will get me anyway. you can run but you cant hide from fukushima.

  • rockyourworld

    leaking? more like pipelined. i knew it all along

  • Wyakin Wyakin

    Hello Jackass Rig-
    Vladimir Kovbasyuk, Russian Hydrometeorological Expert, Oct. 16, 2013- “We analyzed the problems several years ago, when the 2011 earthquake and tornado hit the Fukushima nuclear plant…"

    I remember hearing about a funnel cloud somewhere near FU during 2012. Funnel clouds and tornadoes often translated somewhat interchangeably in several languages.

    3 tornadoes are covered in ENE in that time period:

    I always appreciate your observations because you clearly have practical mechanical application knowledge which provides insights not evident to readers who have not crafted things with their own hands or are responsible for the physical operation of mechanical systems.

    Some of the internal Tepco documents and independent international critics have raised concerns about tornadoes for obvious reasons: they have the potential to instantaneously vacuum all the water and contents from the SPFS in the area, provide a massive airborne release vector for all the radioactive debris scattered all over FU, and displace all the mechanical systems, including the leaky highly radioactive water tanks.

  • Wyakin Wyakin

    “Uranium spent fuel pools of No. 3 and No. 4 reactors are currently naked,” Kazuhiko Kudo, a research professor of nuclear engineering at Kyushu University, said on June 5[ 2012]. A tornado with winds of 100 meters per second like the one that hit Tsukuba could suck up the pool water,” exposing the fuel rods. He raised the concern during a meeting assessing safety measures at the crippled plant in May[2012], he said.

    Reliable summary on the climatology:

    Luckily these are relatively rare in this area, but they do occur.

    I’ve been through a couple of these in my lifetime and seen their scary awesome power.

    If one of these hits FU in its current state, it has the potential to release the entire inventory at FU into the atmosphere in a period of 1 to two days.

    US Citizens:

    The risks of a Carrington type event are obvious and would likely be all encompassing. On the other hand, a tornado hitting a NPP in the US is much more likely (look at the map), and could have equal or greater consequences. Do your part to ban nuclear energy and mobilize qualified assistance for FU daiichi.

    Thought food. Peace.

  • Wyakin Wyakin

    @Bo-looking back at prior comments, you've been sharing good and well thought out concepts.

    Keep reading the source documents and providing critical review and analysis.

    These analytic principals are blind to faith, race and ethnicity.

    Thank you.

  • bdais92

    If strontium and tritium are detected, does that mean all radioactive particles are there also? Is there anything hard enough to divert the core from going straight down? could it just flow through old existing lava tubes straight towards the ocean just like lava does insulating it the same way? In Chernobyl , didnt they tunnel under and use liquid nitrogen, why not at fukushima?? Someone mentioned in a comment that it takes only 16 minutes from the time of cooling stopped and melting through containment, if its that quick, what can really stop it if its that hot?