Published: March 17th, 2012 at 7:05 pm ET
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STATION BLACKOUT AT BROWNS FERRY UNIT ONE ACCIDENT SEQUENCE ANALYSIS
NUREG/CR-2182 (ORNL/NUREG/TM-455/V1)
Published: November 1981
Source: Prepared for US NRC
- The analysis is of a GE Mark I reactor, the same used at Fukushima Daiichi
- Over 700cm of concrete penetration in under 15 hours
- This works out to 18+ inches per hour
Read the 250+ page report here
New York Times: “The containment buildings surrounding the three reactors at the Browns Ferry plant here, all of the Mark 1 variety made by General Electric, are almost identical to the ones at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station”
Published: March 17th, 2012 at 7:05 pm ET
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We've been lied to since the beginning. They all knew this from the Get Go! Anger has never seen the wrath of Whoopie.
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Got a few of those PRO-NUKES STILL spouting the "saftey" of NPP'S http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/san-onofre-power-plant-safety_n_1353546.html THE NERVE OF THEM!! I'm so mad I'm spitting cotton. Old Saying.
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Slow down, Whoopie. I think these details are about Brown's Ferry, not Fukushima. May apply to both, but let's reread the fine print a bit.
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ANY NUKE IS A CRITICAL NUKE TO ME.
But thanks aigeezer. I needed that i guess…
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Ya know…A V-8 Slap awake. TY
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"ANY NUKE IS A CRITICAL NUKE TO ME." No problem with that part, for sure!
Admin, can you clarify? I think the message is that what happened at Brown's Ferry might have happened at Fukushima.
Or is it "probably happened" or "did happen"?
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Here is a top NRC official speaking about the NUREGs:
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CHUCK CASTO [NRC Deputy Regional Administrator]: [...] if we end up with a molten core and then you talk about the time for the concrete to disassociate, you know, that NUREG says it’s a couple of inches an hour, you know. And, of course, that Mark 1 containment is the worst one of all the containments we have, and it’s literally, you know, this NUREG tells you that in a station blackout you’re going to lose containment. There’s no doubt about it.
But, anyhow, I just would highlight that that is a valuable resource, that NUREG. I think it’s — is it 6150, CR-6150, Perspectives on Nuclear Safety? It completely walks all of this down. It’s already been thought out. It’s already been reviewed, looked at, modeled, everything. So, the one thing the NUREG doesn’t really do is tell you how to stop it, how to mitigate it, other than keeping water on it. But the Lab may have some recommendations.
http://enenews.com/top-nuclear-official-melted-core-penetrates-concrete-2-inches-hour-manual-tells-everything-except-stop-doubt-containment-lost-during-blackout-mark-worst-all-video
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1) Casto says "It completely walks all of this down. It’s already been thought out. It’s already been reviewed, looked at, modeled, everything. So, the one thing the NUREG doesn’t really do is tell you how to stop it"
Though speaking of another NUREG, Casto seems to have confidence in similar types of analysis.
2) Casto says "So, the one thing the NUREG doesn’t really do is tell you how to stop it, how to mitigate it, other than keeping water on it. But the Lab may have some recommendations."
It doesn't appear Casto is confident the water is enough to stop the penetration.
3) If the NY Times article above is correct, the containments are "almost identical" at the two plants.
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Thanks Admin. I remember that Casto segment from your FOIA pieces. It gave me chills then and still does.
I think I'm interpreting this as somewhere between "probably did" and "did" (behave like Brown's Ferry).
It's a bad day to be a pessimist and a good day to be an optimist. Oh, wait…
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Times 100000 ty admin!
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COPIED (most) WORD FOR WORD ADMIN.
What a wonderful Admin you are.
A TREASURE TROVE!!
(what would we do without you!)
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Yep. This short, unguarded statement should be, repeat:SHOULD BE, all that is needed to shut down every last one of those mark1 units worldwide tomorrow morning. Won't happen, I know, but it is a powerful quote to slap down on the table.
And remember Browns ferry came within 2 miles of full blackout last April when that super outbreak of tornados hit. 2 miles that's it; some of those tornados were 1 miles across.
All of the B F fuel for the gensets is outside. The plant had no power, except for the gensets for over 24 hrs. I don't need to tell this audience what would have happened if those fuel tanks were emptied…
Shut these FUKUSHIMA-ING things down while we have a chance. Damn we're the stupidest animal to ever live.
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So if this is really the case we have been absolutely lied to from day one.
We have been deliberately and knowingly exposed to unknown and unaccounted for levels of radiation.
Governments must allow the people the proper and complete information, once informed of such duty.
Failure to properly respond enters the negligence arena.
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Keeping it real – from the report itself: "This study describes the predicted response of Unit 1 at the Brown's Ferry Nuclear Plant to a hypothetical station blackout". It's a (decades old) simulation, not an actual event. Just saying.
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WAKE UP!! WAKE UP!! WAKE UP!!
Fukushima better teach the WHOLE World, Nuclear will never be SAFE NOT EVER!! Nor will Daiichi ever be what the Pro-Nukes are praying for: "CONTAINED" IT'S TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE!! COLD SHUTDOWN MY ASS PRIME MINISTER!!! YOU LIED!! ALL THE NRC LIED!! Time to get a new CAMPAIGN GOING Folks! We have got to LAY INTO THEM WITH EVERYTHING WE GOT!!!
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18 inches an hour for a year is over 2 miles deep… and that's the speed of penetrating concrete, not soil. Them coriums might be mighty deep now.
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Bobby1, do you know how that would reconcile with the various hypotheses in play here?… pancake model, water table implications, "China syndrome" behaviors, and so forth?
My understanding is that something should have happened by now other than a 2-mile vertical drop, but this is not in my area of expertise at all.
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Mine neither. "But the lab might have some recommendations."
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aigeezer, we have heard about glowing blue water and iodine-131 in Minamisoma tap water (indicating groundwater contamination), we have seen fires coming out of the ground, steam and smoke coming from the ground, the China syndrome is in effect… but we haven't seen that huge explosion when the corium hits underground water. If the corium is moving down real slow, it won't explode, we'll see hydrogen coming out, we'll see steam coming out, like we have seen. But it will keep doing this for a very long time. Slow death instead of instant apocalyptic stuff.
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From the graph, it's more like 48 inches an hour, so that would put them even deeper.
Which as far as I can tell is good news, they're back where they come from, deep underground. The groundwater pollution on the way down is a big problem nonetheless, but at least the main bulk of toxic material is gone.
IMO they should pour all the rest of the stuff in the other reactors and the SFPs in the hole, then fill it with sand and gravel. What better way to get rid of this radioactive stuff than to send it back deep into the earth's crust where it belongs?
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It does rather depend on the temperature of the corium, which in turn depends on its configuration. Some configurations leave it just under the plant.
This makes it all the more urgent to develop an accurate corium location imaging system.
URGENT
TBH this is rocket science but already largely done and in many locations not just Japan. It would need some conferencing and pooling of "classified" research but not that much. Umm, there is a world full of people, a lot of whom know about this stuff and a lot of who can design and build machinery to do the job.
WHY IN GOD'S NAME IS THIS imaging NOT HAPPENING
Hint: does not have to have CE/FCC label, resin paint job, go faster stripes. Heath Robinson – jury rigged – would do.
FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE GET ON WITH IT MYOPIC NUCLEARISTS you are in the frame for full responsibility for this catastrophe SO DO SOMETHING TO MITIGATE YOUR DAMAGE go look for the hot stuff AND THEN TELL US ALL
M
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Wow just checked my email since the other day and you wouldn't believe all the FB Friend requests I got.
http://www.facebook.com/reqs.php?type=1&fcode=AY8Rxnle5JwUcd1e&f=1498237537
Alot are from Fukushima 3/11 – I AM SO VERY HUMBLED!
That will teach me to check my email EVERYDAY from here on.
(course surgery has made me slow on the draw) But seriously, I never knew how FB worked. It's IMPRESSIVE the way you can connect to others who WANT ALL NUCLEAR SHUT DOWN.
Did Not Know That.
(WAKE UP WHOOPIE!! (Lily Tomlin to Steve Martin)
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Wow … I think I'm getting the hang of Facebook
Give Whoopie time…I WILL "GET IT" damn it all.
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RT @iundrestmatdyou RT @DrHCaldicott: #International agencies are lying. Invisible threat hangs over people of #Fukushima http://t.co/503s7IiM
CRYING MY F'ING EYES OUT!!
SAVE JAPAN!
SAVE FUKUSHIMA!
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GET INSPIRED! WHOA! I LIKE THESE GUYS!! email!
War/No More Trouble | Playing for Change | Song Around The World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgWFxFg7-GU&feature=share
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OMG!
Saturday, March 17, 2012
Ministry of the Environment Ad on the Train Featuring Mountains of Disaster Debris
http://www.facebook.com/n/?groups%2Ffukushima311watchdogs%2F206148136156082%2F&mid=5cf3134G5af3e7adf24aG7ecf2G96&bcode=NDQUZg4h&n_m=eyeswideopen99999%40gmail.com
This is what the train commuters in Japan have to look at, paid for by the taxpayers whether they like it or not. Its aim is to appeal to the guilty conscience of the Japanese who dare refuse to help out.
What the Ministry and Goshi Hosono don't tell you is that there aren't many people living right next to these mountains of debris in the disaster affected areas in Miyagi and Iwate. There are a few temporary storage locations where there are schools right next to them (I don't know what they were thinking), but they seem to be the exceptions. They don't tell you either that many local municipalities want the debris to remain there.
But the Ministry of the Environment won't bother to tell you that.
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Have most of you guys joined FB YET? I'm new…but am blown away by the stuff I'm seeing TODAY!!:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003610489418&sk=wall
Got to go rest…sleep does wonders.
Love you all! whoop
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Good luck. Thanks Whoopie for all your brave efforts over there.
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My take-away from this article is that plant operators could be completely unaware of the NUREGS, yet, still operate the nuclear power plant in complete ignorance. I think that's even scarier than outright lies. I think the lies come once a problem has arisen. Before the "official story" comes out and the public is lied to and reassured, I think these people tell each other lies first and pressure each other into ignoring critical data that might cost the plant owner money or have a dampening effect on their own jobs. Why is that scarier? Because, then, there really is no one to appeal to with truth and good information, because even the industry as a whole has very little idea about the seriousness of the problems. And, a reassured public will always, always, always look to the industry, the so called "experts" to fix things. These aren't necessarily "experts" lying (though some do), these are "not so informed" operators being sneaky and don't realize how much they really don't know. Nothing but public pressure en mass will shut plants down. Nothing short of a total public awareness campaign.
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VicFromOregon
This is one way to create mass public awareness. If everyone at enenews did this we would reach a lot of people worldwide.
Get the message out there on how serious the Fukushima nuclear disaster is
quickly, and efficiently. You don’t need to explain anything just distribute the lifesaver.pdf (or create your own), hand it out, mailbox it, or email it.
Put it everywhere, libraries, notice boards, web pages, forums, Facebook,
and tweet! Think outside the box.
http://technologypals.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/lifesaver.pdf
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It was amazing how fast the lies came as almost a reflex from TEPCO and the Industry.
GE sent Margaret Harding who some were calling Meg Shilling out to lie in public about the events.
1) JSDF choppers were dropping water to scrub isotopes from the air.
2) Every american operator would be glad to go help but the plants are labeled in Japanese
3) The plants were designed to relieve a hydrogen buildup by blowing the tops off.
How she could with a straight face say that, I don't know.
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