Analyst: If truth admitted about Fukushima, it would have broken backbone of Japan’s economy (VIDEO)

Published: June 11th, 2012 at 5:05 pm ET


The Fukushima Business Decision (Don Harold and I Talk)
Warren Pollock
Date Published: Jun 11, 2012

Envisioning the Total costing of Fukushima allows you to understand the issues with clarity. Presently, and as usual, people are being manipulated by the details. We each have to conduct our own analysis and build a decision making process for uncertainty. We have to admit that facts and impact cannot (or by design) be presented and organized to an action plan.

At 13:00 in

Pollock: I think that Fukushima, if the truth was admitted, I think it would have broken the backbone of the Japanese economy to this day.

Published: June 11th, 2012 at 5:05 pm ET


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87 comments to Analyst: If truth admitted about Fukushima, it would have broken backbone of Japan’s economy (VIDEO)

  • blackrain66

    it already has

    delayin tactics for those who can to prepare
    then, they will unleash hell

    • jump-ball jump-ball

      "If the truth had been admitted, it would have broken the economic backbone…", and when the truth finally is admitted, the economy will collapse.

    • aSpadeisaSpade aSpadeisaSpade

      Any time someone says, "if you knew the truth about <some topic>, it would <have immense, unfavorable consequences>", you'd better prepare for those consequences.

      When asked to make the results of the 2008 bank stress tests public, Ben Bernanke replied (paraphrasing), "If the public knew the truth, there would be panic and riots in the streets." The Fed successfully kept the results secret long enough to manage the public perceptions, spin the news, and spew lies and propoganda so as to disarm the "panic and riots" before they could happen.

      The American sheeple prefer the lies because it makes them feel safe and protected. The Japanese sheeple are no different.

      There have been so many leaks about the dire situation of Japan, including Tokyo, that if the Japanese were not such sheep, they would have organized protests and intentionally disrupted the economy in order to focus international attention on their dire situation.

      If they had done this a year ago, or even 6 months ago, the international community could have forced the Japanese government and TEPCO to get out of the way and they could have had SPF #4 stabilized by now. But because of their timidity and passivity, the Japanese sheeple have doomed their country to oblivion. They are all going to perish like good little boys and girls without a peep. It frightening — and disgusting — because they have also doomed the rest of the world to watch Japan disappear as its poisons spread around…</have></some>

      • aSpadeisaSpade aSpadeisaSpade

        post got garbled…

        "because they have also doomed the rest of the world to watch Japan disappear as its poisons spread around the world."

  • bleep_hits_blades

    Hell has been unleashed.

    Japan is nuked. Forever. What can be done on or with all that nuked real estate? Actually, the No. Hemisphere is pretty well nuked, or on its way to being. (Fuku will be spewing for many years.)

    And the So. Hemisphere isn't a whole lot better off, because of all that du ammo contamination from the Mid-East invasions/ occupations, and the dirty uranium mining in Australia, and testing du weapons in Australia… and the No. Hemis. contamination is going to get into the So. Hemisphere – already is.

    And the Pacific Ocean contam. will spread to the Atlantic via the 'Great Conveyor Belt' current…

    • many moons

      Hell has been unleashed…again.

      Everyone of us ignored out second chance. We should have fought Nuclear after 3 mile island….we should have demanded the plants be closed after chernobyl….now we need not worry about the fight….If we were to lose it would have been better to lose against GE/the military etal than to lose to radiation….
      We regret the things we didn't do the most…we could have all boycotted energy til they closed every reactor….we threw our chance in the trash…so we must live with what is left….everyone except the children had a hand in this disaster.


        +100 many moons. Harsh reality is upon us all…

      • "Twenty years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you did not do than by the things you did do."
        – Mark Twain

        True many moons, but you must also remember that we were outright lied to. It is safe, it is cheap, it can save the world, they told us. The military wanted their Plutonium and the Nuke Plant Bomb making machines were just a part of the big scam.

        That was then, this is NOW.
        It will change!

        People ARE going to see just how badly they've been swindled.
        How they react to the situation is yet to be seen.


          awesome quote ChasAha. Thanks for putting that out here…

        • SnorkY2K

          It gave the power industry the ability to make and sell a lot of power. The nuclear weapon aspect of it enabled the nuke industry to hide the true downsides under the cloak of national defense secrecy. It seems that a day does not go by that I don't learn a new downside.

      • WindorSolarPlease

        Hi many moons

        I am not young, so I have seen people advocating against Nuclear Power as far as I can remember. I have to give these people credit. There have been many before this disaster who has fought hard against Nuclear Power, and even now we are still ignored.

      • Some of us did fight against nukes. Sime of us faced violence and arrests to hang banners. Some of us were irradiated holding banners and staging "die-ins" in front of hundreds of tons of radioactive components being removed from Yankee Rowe NPP and shipped to Barnwell South Carolina where the people were too poor to fight it. Some of us went door to door with the truth… but almost nobody listened.

    • Has the Japanese economy been saved by hiding the truth? A billion or more infant mortalities will occur, what about that?

      • many moons

        exactly, Isn't the truth the truth whether you admit it or not?
        Japan is broken, and not admitting it will not help the situation…but here comes the US with the same tactics.

  • omtatsat omtatsat

    I. Achieve the wisdom of knowledge inasmuch as this will enable you to wisely follow the Laws of Creation.
    This means to seek and demand the TRUTH to be shown to you so that you must develop that ability to discern and judge all information, actions and behaviour with self and others which go against the laws of balance given forth by GOD and The Creation. This also means that when information is put before your attention, you must ask the FATHER within you to show you whether or not it is true and ask the Father to give you the verification you need to understanding the Truth in all information and situations which HE puts before you. THIS means you must have the courage and the determination to conquer the fear, apathy and ignorance within your altered ego to ACHIEVE THE WISDOM OF KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH!

    • bleep_hits_blades

      omtatsat – Note in the rules listed below – no religious discussion whatsoever. This is not the place for it.

      • eatliesndie eatliesndie

        religion is unrelated to spirit. Some can't see a sound message due to their baggage regarding religion

      • desara3

        Well if its not in the rules, let ENENEWS handle it. Just do not eliminate freedom of expression and freedom of religion from your existance. As with any company,even ENENEWS, each one, can dictate thier own rules of admission. To me, just skip over the post. This person is fighting the same problem of this unspeakable tragedy in Fukushima.

        • richard richard

          Desara, maybe you missed earlier religious comments, they get out of hand real fast, give em an inch, they'll take mile.

          When people start hurling words like evil and hater and unbeliever etc it soon becomes discrimination; 'my club is better then your club'.

          On an international, multicultural, research/science forum there is no room for it.

          Nip it in the bud, as bleep (and justasweetgirl) have recently requested.


            +100 richard!

          • desara3

            I will accept that I might be wrong. If someone is being flagrant and vicious saying "if you do not believe what they believe"BLAH BLAH and are throwing insults I would get offended,too.
            I just ignore that nasty stuff and move ahead and I am sure I missed all of it. I just would like to be able to voice my opinion about Fukushima without someone calling me a nutcase or conspiracy theorist. Free speech, I guess???

            • richard richard

              @desara3 – i do believe it's all free speech etc. And please tell me if you think i've been over-reaching.

              free speech in any capacity on any subject is welcome in my eyes – it's when discrimination comes into play that i jack up.

              personally, i think religion could be covered within context and when no one is being cast as 'evil'. but there was so much evil-pointing going down before, it's been refreshing since it all stopped. so please leave it as stopped πŸ™‚

              tin-foil hats unite πŸ˜‰ i'm beside you there.

              • eatliesndie eatliesndie

                maybe, in future, we should let admin be the referee? πŸ™‚

                • ENENews

                  The comment that started this was pretty off-topic, but the conversation got pretty involved so I left it up. Keep the reports coming everyone, thanks.

                  • Discordian

                    Good call, if you don't mind me saying so. Who can truly judge when comments are off topic anyway, since often the issues raised are triggered by the article and other postings included? "Off-topic" is really, for this site, better used as a shill-screening mechanism, no? ENENEWSers have usually been good at steering the conversation back to the issue,and admin does a commendable job fostering an environment where people can discuss EVERYthing brought up by this awful, life-ending nightmare through which we all must go together.

    • richard richard

      Talk about your own fear apathy and ignorance, cos buddy, that's not what you'll find around here. Bag it.

  • bleep_hits_blades

    omtastat, when I wrote that 'hell has been unleashed' I was quoting another poster here (recent previous post), and we were speaking metaphorically, not making a specific Biblical reference.

    Sorry if that was confusing.


      nice try bleep, but don't bother explaining your posts. If one were to use "good" in a sentence, that wouldn't be grounds for violating the prohibition of religious discourse out here. In this case, I sense that this 'messenger' isn't interested in what others have to say. They're obviously on a roll (little dig) and simply feel the need to bend the issue towards their 'world' view. I guess five-thousand-plus years of denying nature, isn't sufficient time for determining the reality of our situation…

  • bleep_hits_blades

    What do people think about Bill Deagle? I don't really trust the guy (naturally, yourn truly thinks he might be 'intel' – and I am not the only one) – but he is obviously very smart. (has some pretty far-out religious views).

    Here are my notes from his most recent Jeff Rense show (he's on weekly).

    Gages fluctuate – but all together. deteriorating plants. they are not testing. steam tubes are coming out from under plants, going into ocean. not known.

    pool 4 lots of spent fuel rods. metal deteriorating 'like flaky pie crust'.

    will be massive release of radiation, to Japan & to us in NA also. way bigger than Chernobyl & will get into So Hemis. also.

    suppressing info. – food in Japan very contaminated. radio- active. nothing safe to eat in Japan. Japanese buying up land in Australia.

    famine coming to China – and revolution. Japanese crisis will break China and Europe. famine.

    Deagle sees major inflation coming. lucky to have anything to eat.

    songbirds feed off of radioactive plants. songbirds die off quickly.

    black crud on roads is highly radioactive.

    will be series of environ. disasters.

    (more in part 2)

  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    The backbone may not have broken , but it sure as hell is dissolving…..

    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi eatliesndie


      Difference between – broken…dissolving.
      It ends the same.

      Difference between – Truth not admitted…Full disclosure.
      Could save some lives

      Bottom line – Full disclosure has more benefits.

  • bleep_hits_blades

    Deagle notes, part 2

    partially gold-backed world currency, biometric. 'mark of beast' biometric id, world id – already a done deal or on edge of it.

    debt crisis is by design. so they will own it all, suck up the wealth of the world at fire sale prices. no more natl sovereignty. US will have a vestigal govt. like in England. Gradually happening. subsumed under global govt that is forming.

    radiation cloud also getting to China.

    by mid July – massive rad release will happen. cesium, strontium, other heavy isotopes. zirc fire is possible. burns even under water. hydrogen formed and explodes or forms steam tunnels. nuke explosions also will happen, repeatedly over many many years.

    US has technology that could help but no help is being offered or asked. corium catcher underneath; tents over each facility, multiple layer filters, incl bucky ball filters. then put in double hulled ships, sunk, watched by remote camera.

    many many miles around Chernobyl are radioactive. burn units will be filled. rad. sickness – leaky gut; the elderly and young – immune systems knocked out. groundwork for super plague. bugs will mutate into super bugs.

    by mid-summer — collapse in Japan which will spread to europe. countries will collapse. controlled, orchestrated free fall. get rid of middle class. end the nation states. all one world trade area.

    Jap women being encouraged not to get pregnant.


      "…naturally, yourn truly thinks he might be 'intel' – and I am not the only one…" Who…YOU?! (Just kidding.) I listen to both him and Rense, when I can. It would not come as a surprise if he were in the 'business'. You doubtless know, many media 'faces' are being 'run'. So, like-in the good'ol days of Pravda, read between the lines and be careful to spit-out the bones…

      • bleep_hits_blades

        Yes, the odds are with you if you suspect a 'trusted populist source' of bending both ways.

        My motto: "Everyone's a spook but me and Thee… and sometimes I wonder about Thee…"

        (Well – not Thee, Aftershock – but everyone else – even my effing goldfish, sometimes I wonder about – he looks at me with this kinda fishy eye… and always the same inscrutable mug, makes me wonder what he's got to hide… and is he wired…)


          and also remember that the most effective means to control is suspicion. The Stasi were well versed in this. And when we self-censor out of fear, effective control is realized. This is one of the reasons they've been 'leaking' stories that they're monitoring all our activities out here. To the uniformed, they've been doing this for the last fifteen years. What they're really attempting to impede is consensus. They don't want the public to find its own voice. They still think they're in control and as such, hold-fast to the idea that they can somehow rest control over this medium. What most don't realize, for all of the police-state-bravado being shoved under our noses, they've already lost the war! History will show, we just didn't know this…yet…

    • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

      on Deagle:
      Hope this is not too OT.

      I listened to the beginning of one of his Rense interviews (first one?) about smart grid metering.
      It took all of 5 minutes for me to quit listening.

      My career background for the last 30+ years has been electronics design, with nearly all of that time focused on microwave communications systems…early hand held GPS, WiFi before it had a name, early cell phone receiver chips, and weak signal satellite reception.

      Deagle's interview was going OK for the first few minutes until it became very clear that he was in way over his head.

      His technology vocabulary and theory dead ended within minutes.

      Deagle's commentary will all sound very informative and realistic to someone who has some or no technical background.

      Yet it was embarrassing to listen to any more than what I did.
      Deagle's explanations just had me cringing too much, as he clearly did not understand how the Smart Meter hardware actually works.
      Deagle's terminology was very screwed up the more he attempted to offer actual details.

      He fits in to the profile of someone who has read a lot of misc technical material but doesn't have the academic background to actually understand it.

      A red flag…in his writings, he improperly uses the word analogue when analog (a type of meter) should have been used.

      Deagle is an MD, which for me explains his lack of understanding the details of smart meters.

      And no, I am no fan of smart meters, by any means!


  • bleep_hits_blades

    RE Deagle's predictions – of course much of this is being said (and observed) by others.

    But the point I want to make here is that the elites are expecting some resistance – have been expecting and preparing for it for decades now. Their response is to beef up police, create internment camps, bring out a bunch of state-of-the-art weapons ('shock and awe' – right?), and allow 'non-judicial killings' and 'indefinite detentions absent charges or legal process' etc. Done deal.

    Who cares if the people don't like it? There's nothing the people can do about it.

    And thru it all, 'our corporate masters' keep on inexorably putting their world slave state in place, piece by piece, like a jigsaw puzzle.

    Who/what does anybody reading this see/have reason to believe is going to stop them?

    • Bureaucracies always kill themselves. Chipping, robotics, armor, high tech internment camps and all the other tools of the police state require funding. When the economy implodes – as it will soon, even without Fukushima – who is going to pay to maintain the police state? Furthermore, the people who willing to fight on behalf of tyrants are for the most part absolutely stupid. Just look at the average TSA employee. In the security line, I often pass by three or more TSA employees who check my boarding pass to see that it matches my name until I get to the front of the line where someone making $50K and likely has a criminal record and enjoys patting down small children officially verifies that my ID is valid and allows me on the plane. I do not fear any parasite who feeds off the government trough. And in a case of martial law, I am sure there are plenty of groups that have already figured out a plan to deal with police brutality, hence the reason the government fears militia groups.

      Soon we will see the effects of Fukushima, as radiation spreads across the globe and cancer kills off a significant portion of the population – including the whores who support tyranny.

      • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

        Bubbles always collapse, and we have plenty of them;

        Housing bubble; check
        Derivatives bubble; check for partial
        Federal reserve fiat money bubble; not yet
        Chemicals/toxins bubble; not yet, cracks appearing
        Nuclear/DU bubble; not yet, but cracks appearing
        Carbon bubble; cracks and strains, almost there
        GM foods bubble; not yet, but cracks appearing

        There are more…

        See all of the large bubbles floating around?

        Aren't they pretty? How high up in the sky can they go?

        Anyone have a pin?

        • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

          The nuclear bubble did break in Japan, they just do not realize it yet, because no one has asked them to pay the 10 TRILLION dollar bill yet.


        nice analysis Kelly Ann. However, I fear you're being too logical in your critique of the machine. The machine is fungible and issues its own unlimited funding (fiat currency) to meet its goals. It cannot bankrupt itself as it imbues itself with value. The machine has zero fear of the public's reaction (organized or otherwise), as it is also the initiating force behind the chaos and the response to it. The machine is layer-upon-layer of complexities, shielding a core of players, who at any time are not only capable of destructive actions but also the role of delivering savior. Those behind the scene must never be confused with the whores…

    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

      Their health?


      "Who/what does anybody reading this see/have reason to believe is going to stop them?" As a retired British agent used to say, "That would be telling."

  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    Consciousness… the source of all problems, and the solution is contained there as well. This universal aspect of all human beings is present in all to some extent, but can be accessed and expanded fairly easily.

    American Indian Prophecy, Living As Soul on Earth; via A Green Road Blog

    The physical body can be killed and/or imprisoned, but not consciousness, at least not by force.

  • Radiation monitoring and protection protocols,24.0.html

    Fukushima fallout forecasts and other rad updates

    and other folks to tell

  • Anthony Anthony

    Fukushima forum: Dr. John Apsley says U.S. is feeling the effects of radiation


    3 Email

    Donna Anderson
    Coast to Coast Radio Examiner

  • arclight arclight


    "The Nuclear Weapons Industry's Money Bombs, How millions in campaign cash and revolving-door lobbying have kept America's atomic arsenal off the chopping block. β€” Mother Jones, By R. Jeffrey Smith, Center for Public
    Integrity Jun. 6, 2012 Employees of private companies that produce the main pieces of the US nuclear arsenal have invested more than $18 million in the election campaigns of lawmakers that oversee related federal
    spending, and the companies also employ more than 95 former members of Congress or Capitol Hill staff to lobby for government funding, according to a new report…."

  • papacares papacares

    what worry, USA to the rescue
    Sunday, June 10, 2012

    1,000 U.S. high school students to start volunteer work in tsunami zones

    Around 1,000 high school students and youths from the United States will visit the Tohoku region in three groups from Sunday to carry out volunteer work in four disaster-hit prefectures at the invitation of the Japan Foundation.

    Each group will stay in the country for a fortnight and engage in various exchanges with locals in Iwate, Miyagi, Fukushima and Ibaraki prefectures, according to the foundation, which specializes in cultural exchanges.

    Participants in the program will come from 40 schools across the United States,………

  • papacares papacares

    and more
    Thursday, June 7, 2012
    Middle Tennessee State U. Students Now in #Fukushima, Will Volunteer in Minami Soma (not Soma) City

    Remember those students, and a fierce supporter of them who came to this blog to defend them and trash us? They are now in Fukushima Prefecture. And according to the article below, instead of Soma City they will help clean up MINAMI Soma City where, according to Assemblyman Ooyama the "black dust (substance, bacteria, etc.)" exceeding 10 million becquerels/kg of radioactive cesium is found. Part of Minami Soma City was within 20-kilometer radius "no-entry" zone, another part "planned evacuation zone", another part "evacuation-ready zone", meaning it is rather close to the wrecked nuclear power plant.

    According to Fukushima Minpo, a local newspaper in Fukushima, the students are learning exactly what the Fukushima prefectural government want them to learn so that they can disseminate "accurate" information about Fukushima to the world.

  • nedlifromvermont

    Good find Arclight … the connection between nuclear weapons and nuclear power plants is becoming clearer … the insidious ways the nuclear weapons/power elites have been corrupting our nation since 1942 … and the United States of Lincoln and Jefferson has fallen under the thrall of this nuclear cabal until we are in fact become the United States of CANCER.

    Is anyone still not clear on this? We are owned by a nuclear-fascist dictatorship that rivals anything from Hitler's Third Reich. And the fascist Generals, Immelt et al, cannot admit their mistakes or it would doom their corporations and their expansive retirement accounts and golden parachutes.

    How it will all end is not clear, but we must take away their monopolies over powering the grid and enslaving us all to their evil designs. I'm surprised to be posting like this, kind of thinking out loud, but I believe that the truth will tear down this evil agglomeration that we all grew up believing was so benign … a.k.a. the POWER company …. what lovely irony.

    Peace to the 'newsers.

    • What-About-The-Kids

      The "Power Company" indeed, Nedli.

      I saw this bit of good news today and thought of you there in Vermont:

      We need all the good news we can get. πŸ˜‰ This builds on the news from a couple of days ago in which a panel found the NRC was remiss in analyzing the true risk of spent fuel pools and denying their ridiculous "Plan B" to allow NPPs to extend the storage period to 60 years. Slowly but surely, bit by bit, we will get rid of this scourge upon our beautiful planet…

    • arclight arclight

      hi nedli

      great post!
      " but I believe that the truth will tear down this evil agglomeration that we all grew up believing was so benign … a.k.a. the POWER company …. what lovely irony…."

      heres some OT truth according to kevin blanch here.. polite for him and direct as always.. πŸ™‚

      he makes a point for mininukes for chemo.. and makes it well..
      though i am still undecided on this

      he kicks some tepguv butt

      sticks it to cnn

      and says

      "cut through the bullshit"
      "theres good information out there"
      "this isnt 1980`s russia, not the same chance for coverup"


      we are going to win this!!


      • What-About-The-Kids

        Hi Arc! I hope you're feeling better. Stay out of the plumes, ok? (I know, hard to do when you're being a one-man Super Hero trying to save Europe from the evil Nukers hiding their dirty deeds under the cloak of darkness… But still, please take care of yourself. We need you! πŸ™‚

        Do you have a link to the Kevin Blanch video you referenced?

        I too am not sure about the necessity of chemo as a cancer fighting tool…do not have enough knowledge about it to comment, except that my dad refused it after colon surgery, believing the chemo would kill you before the cancer would..(This was many years ago, and I know medical advances have much improved targeted chemotherapy.)

        Anyway, you should show him this article I read this morning, as it may apply somehow:


        "University of Alberta researchers have made strides in creating mass quantities of medical isotopes without the use of radioactive materials, an advancement that could replace the isotopes produced at the aging Chalk River nuclear facility in Ontario."

        Nuke-free medical isotopes! Who woulda thought… πŸ™‚


      good post nedi! Only truth sharpened with courage, will bring-about the kind of change that we can all live with…

  • Sharp2197 Sharp2197

    Their stock market is only one third of what it was in the 90's and when the word hits the main stream it will fall another 50%. Japan is done as a country, they just haven't admitted it yet.

    • arclight arclight

      done but not out as the largest shipbuilding and supply nation for 50 years

      Shipbuilding and Sushi still Japan’s best assets
      BY ADMIN ON JUNE 9, 2012 AT 2:06 PM

      "..Worth mentioning too the quick recovery of the Japanese Nation after the unfortunate Fuhushima events following a natural disaster, that of an earthquake just over a year ago and its aftermath; congratulations to all and let us see this as an example for tackling similar and other asymmetrical events and disasters of any nature.
      We spotted many Greek Shipowners, but also shipowners from all over the world visiting Posidonia attending the event and rumours have it that, despite the present state of the market, new orders are placed in Japanese shipyards…."

      no problem there then and pats on the backs all around for the bp like ogilvy and maher smoothover..

      business as usual and the worlds largest nuclear catastrophe is now just an aftermath (wonder who smoothed that paragraph out??)

  • WindorSolarPlease

    Quote: it would have broken backbone of Japan’s economy

    This statement irks me..Economy should Not be more important than the public's well being!

    • WindorSolarPlease

      Do they think when people start seeing their love ones drop, the economy won't be broken?
      Instead, they might see the fiery of the people, which will cause more havoc.

      You don't put or leave people in arms way, you get them out of the way and warn them.

      Everyone should have full disclosure, not just a few.

      • pure water

        The economy started as a way to serve people`s needs, but for a long time people serve the economy!
        For milemia people survived without electricity, and now some people explain us the whole life will collapse without nuclear electricity, banks, pharmacy… The truth is we are collapsing the whole biosphere, which is the basic of our own life too, in exchange to stupid unnecessary trinkets. Wrong are the values and their positions, not the progress itself. Do you remember king Midas story or – the golden touch:
        Ancient greeks gave us the wisdom that Greed+Stupidity+Supernatural Power lead to disaster. Here we are – with more and more radioactive air, food, water, future generations. According to the story, only the same magic combined with a proper will can reverse the harm. Science + Moral choices? I wish we more developed in both!

  • sunpower

    For lying officials or anyone to believe that Japan could keep its economy going full throttle with nothing but a coverup and a nuke restart is absurd. The Japanese economy like all the global economies, is highly leveraged to petroleum, for which NO EQUIVALENT has yet been found. I love solar powering our homes, but it won't run our tractors and trucking or repave the roadways. To see the slavish worship of cargo culture globally just tells me how desperate overleveraged societies are to keep the boom times or fall off the cam. Anyone who is paying attention knows the economies of today, leveraged as they are on non renewable crucial resources is headed down the backside of Hubbert's curve. Japan could no more keep their bullet train forever than pigs could fly if they censored their critics. Any sensible people would prepare for powerdown with renewable and simple, effective solutions, beginning with a healthy life.
    But Japan seems to still want to double down on its malinvestment in nuclear, despite the fact that even France with its sick nuke fleet is still leveraged to oil and cannot avoid the inevitable shrinkage of its economy. They can inflate the money supply to get GDP 'growth' ya know, and that is about all these fools have accomplished in the last ten years of mounting debt. They can monetize it or starve it but it won't ever be growth again. Like the radiation sicknesses, economic contraction is a fact of life whether people admit it or…

  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    And so it all comes back to MALIGNANT GROWTH, economically speaking. I am sooo over Stuff! I have Stuff fatigue. I have a basement full of old Stuff. My garage is full of Stuff. I have just taken out of my dresser drawers all the Stuff I haven't worn for the past five years. Into the Goodwill Box it goes. If we have to destroy the beautiful Gulf of Mexico in order to get the oil we need to make more plastic Stuff, then I, for one, would like the opportunity to live my life with much less plastic Stuff around. Clean Coal, who do they think they are kidding? Perhaps I could get by on wind and solar for energy (I'd like to try). Fracking causes earthquakes. Please stop! Habitat loss, species extinction. Cut down the woods, and drain the swamp to put up a new WalMart, a new Lowes, a Chevy dealership, a subdivision. Consumers. We were turned into consumers, happily sending our old Stuff to the landfill in order to make room for more Stuff. We must have nuke power in order to make 20% of our Stuff, then I, for one, would like the choice to live my life with 20% less Stuff. Perhaps I will go on strike to stop consuming Stuff!

    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Hi philipupnorth, completely agree. Everyone has these boxes in the basement which stand there since the day they moved in – some people nowadays rent storage space to store their stuff and then never go there until they move the next time! It's bizarre!
      Ever seen "The Story Of Stuff"? (20 mins.)
      Might be just for you!

      *loving "buy nothing days"

    • aSpadeisaSpade aSpadeisaSpade

      Phillp & Bread — very cool! I have had a similar philosophy running around in the back of my head for years, and you both have excavated it for me! Too much "stuff" is the root of all evils, perhaps.

      We crave stuff, but it doesn't make us any happier. All it does is feed the evil machine (Eisenhower's "military-industrial-complex") which enslaves us, manipulates us, and lies to us. The craving of stuff is what gave rise to the nuclear industry, as TPTB discovered a new toy for them to use to capture the citizen's economic produce, and at the same time, hide the nuclear weapon R&D under the guise of providing us what we all "want and need."

      News Flash: We, who have seen the light, neither want it nor need it!

      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        Hi aSpadeisaSpade, see this family of 4 in CA living the zero waste lifestyle (2min clip) taken from their blog:

        This is what I'm aiming for. First project: decluttering the kitchen.

        • What-About-The-Kids

          Thanks so much for the link to the video, B&B! What an inspiration! Seeing their simple, uncluttered home and lifestyle is a breath of fresh air! I will tell my family and friends about it! Zero waste lifestyle. Now THERE'S a concept I can get behind. What a wonderful world it would be.

          I will check out their blog too. Wonder if they are already, or are working towards getting off the power grid?

  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    Bread abd Spade: Let's get the No More Stuff Movement going. Many thanks, Bread. Studing your links now. No New Stuff!

  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    Bread: πŸ˜‰ Love the animation: Found myself laughing again and again. But this is really a deadly serious subject. "No linear system can exist in a cyclical world." We've got to decide what's really important. When I used to live in Northern Michigan, near Lake Michigan, the saying was : "The view of the bay is half the pay". It was! I filed that one away in my mind under "Wisdom". Now I know that the view of the bay WAS the pay. The purpose of "commerce" is to facilitate the concentration of the money you earn, from your pocket (read 'wage earner') into the pockets of the rich (read 'owners', 'job creators', 1%), and into the pockets of government employees (through taxes). (By the way, those government employees you pay for are actually working for the corporations, not for the people.) My girlfriend is working at a good job that pays shit wages. She hates it, but refuses to look at the numbers. The numbers show that her wages, minus transportation costs, minus tolls, minus lost time, minus the aggravation of working, equals nothing. The work which drives her crazy isn't even worth doing. She might live better were she poor and happy. (I have given up work, since it only seemed to produce noise and bother in my life.) At this point, I'd rather be serene and poor, then wealthy and wasteful. Many thanks, Bread, for the great comments and links. Let's do more on this.

    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      @philipupnorth, glad you liked it! You're right, it's a dead serious subject. I came to similar conclusions as your girlfriend. My job is paid alright, but if I break it down minus travel TIME, job clothing, job STUFF,…'s not worth the effort. I'm keen on working, on doing something useful for society and living a life with as little impact to the planet as possible. And have fun doing it.
      Before I leave here to prepare lime-coriander pancakes for my boyfriend (who's totally stressed out from evil clients, lol), I'll send you this to watch:
      One of the people featured, Jim Merkel, has written a remarkable book caaled "Radical Simplicity – Light footsteps on a finite earth".
      Great piece. Let your girlfriend read it – she'll quit tomorrow πŸ™‚

      *off to (decluttered) kitchen πŸ™‚


        loved this entire thread B&B. You guys are a hoot! And I agree, it's all just a lot of junk that we spend an inordinate amount of time acquiring and then protecting. I can't stand it anymore! I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of it without wasting it. It's just a massive waste of my valuable time and I'd like to get it all out of my life…forever…

        • What-About-The-Kids

          Me too, Aftershock. And what a gift we can give our children, if we model this kind of lifestyle for them. It truly can be liberating.

          No more stuff! No more stuff!
          No more nukes! No more nukes! πŸ™‚

          • richard richard

            i want my internet tho.

            and my music.

            oh, and my phone.

            the car's handy.

            should i hock my guitar.. nah, no way πŸ˜‰

            mmm.. can i keep some stuff πŸ˜‰

            i really don't want to lose the web. but it takes power and plastics and minerals to do that.

            conundrum, what!

            • CB CB

              I pawned my keyboard again.

              • richard richard

                πŸ™‚ sorry, shouldn't smile about that.

                it's one reason i took up singing – no intrument required – just don't get a cold (which I currently do).

                • CB CB

                  πŸ˜‰ bad joke, reality however. I hope you feel better soon Richard.

                  • richard richard

                    thanks CB… i feel great actually. just a minor cold, throat, sniffles. Not at all like a flu. So all good thank you. Just gotta take it easy on the vocals for a bit πŸ™‚

                    sorry for the bad joke, I trully hope you get your keyboard back soon.. i can understand the feeling.. been there myself.

  • nedlifromvermont

    Oh my God … so you guys had to get started on "stuff!"

    I mean I have a barn full, and an attic-basement-garage full, only ever so slightly radioactive … and it's been there for years and still I haven't moved it to dry cask storage … come to think of it the TEPCO timetable to deal with their "stuff" looks pretty razzle-dazzle!

    What was that bit about not complaining about the speck in your neighbor's eye before offering a reasonable explanation for the log sticking out of your own eye? Come to think of it, seems like they must have had radioactive accidents back in old testament days, too!

    Who would have ever thought …

  • lam335 lam335

    "Largest childhood leukaemia study ever conducted finds 15% of cases due to gamma radiation"