Animals delirious, disoriented up and down West Coast — Displaying ‘unprecedented’ behaviors — Experts “know something isn’t right” — Gov’t: “Waters offshore so lacking in things like anchovies, sardines and squid” (PHOTOS & VIDEO)

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KION, Aug 13, 2015 (emphasis added): “I noticed them out here. And I looked over here and seen all kinds of dead little fish over there,” said fisherman Tucker Bergerson. Bergerson fishes in the Monterey Bay every day. He like others who make a living out in the open waters, know something isn’t right in the bay.

KION, Aug 13, 2015: [Kamyar Shareghi, tour guide:] “There have been fish dying, there have been a bunch of birds dead in the water as well. Some of the marine mammals like the sea lions, seals and the otters, they’ll have seizures and they will be delirious like dementia.”

NOAA, Aug 20, 2015: a common murre die-off was reported… along the Alaska Peninsula… unusual numbers in nearshore areas with many appearing weak and approachable by skiff.  We do not know whether the bird mortalities were related to whatever killed the whales.

KING 5 News, Aug 21, 2015: In addition to whales, Alaska’s seen dead walruses and a lot of dead or disoriented birds

Alaska Native Tribal Health Consortium – Local Environmental Observer, Aug 3, 2015: Moose behavior — Found a dead moose in the lake… [others] said that the moose the day before was swimming in circles and struggling… We really don’t know why this moose was in distress or what sickness it may have. I’ve been talking to residents and other people they think it maybe a parasite that went to the brain… LEO Comment: Tina Tinker writes, “I contacted [Alaska Dept of Fish & Game who] seems to think that the moose has pink eye or conjunctivitis…

Alaska Native Tribal Health Consortium – Local Environmental Observer: Unusual sea lion behavior — This sea lion was seen for over an hour floating along the shore and holding one front and one back flipper in the air. As long as we watched, it never dropped the flippers, although they moved a bit. We wondered if they were injured or paralyzed. There was no evidence that we could see of trauma or an injury and he (?) came quite close to us and did not seem concerned with our presence, or passing ATVs… Later in the evening we looked out again and he was gone. We wonder what would explain this behavior, if he was sick or injured. We also wonder if this behavior has implications for fish and other wildlife and for peoples health.

Monterey Herald, Aug 12, 2015: Monterey’s ‘Minnie the Minke’ whale was not a baby, may have suffered poisoning… “It was disoriented, and when they have domoic acid poisoning, they act like that,” said Kate Spencer, a captain… [The whale] repeatedly turning from side to side, and appeared to be disoriented throughout the three-hour rescue. “It is possible it suffered from poisoning, but only chemical tests could decipher that,” she said… Another possible reason the whale swam to the harbor — an occurrence authorities called unprecedented — was because it was searching for food.

San Francisco Chronicle, Aug 19, 2015: Entangled whales worry fishermen, environmentalists, officials –Record numbers of whales are showing up along the California coastline with fishing line tangled around their blubbery bodies, in a trend that’s bedeviled fishermen, environmentalists and state regulators alike… The surge in whale entanglements evidently began in 2014, when 30 whales were found entangled on the West Coast… Nate Mantua, a Santa Cruz-based research scientist for the NOAA… blames changes in the ocean temperature… Mantua said the [temperatures are] leading the “forage fish” that whales eat to seek refuge in a narrow band of cool water by the shoreline… “Part of that is because the water (farther) offshore has been so lacking in things like anchovies, sardines and squid“…

Watch the unusual sea lion behavior here

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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The Zeitgeist Matrix Control Mechanisms are very effective and not unlike the term.. peer reviewed.

    The control necessary to destroy an entire planet can not waiver.. until the task is done. 🙁

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    I sure hope these 6 police officers have excellent credit so they can pay this huge settlement!
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3226554/Freddie-Grays-family-settles-city-6-4M.html

    No way are tax payers are paying this money..right?

  • PT you seem pretty stressed, teak some time to gather some vegetables that have grown in potassium as one of the main 3 fertilizers.

    Take a step back and talk potassium at end of week, with a breaktime.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

      I grow my food with zeolite which is volcanic ash, God's natural source of potassium. Organically grown food doesn't use chemical fertilizers. I finished the roofs of my 7th and 8th greenhouses last night. Now I am planting cold crops and buckwheat for the winter and spring.

      • Would you eat this?

        Radioactive Salt Substitute – potassium chloride
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ug7LZY_8Ho

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Doc, I eat it. Part of the successful Gerson cancer cure program

          the baffled dont know what the bold ones know;
          radioactive potassium gives a healthy glow!

          • Mind sharing a link where Gerson suggests eating this radioactive salt? Curious George wants to know…

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

            Salt Warning
            by David Klein, Ph.D.
            from Living Nutrition Magazine vol. 18
            “Avoid all salt – it’s a toxic, irritating, corrosive, stimulating, enervating and potentially deadly poison. Yes, even Celtic and Himalayan salts are destructive to your body and health – don’t be fooled by marketing hype! These inorganic substances may be trendy but they are not healthful. In addition to sodium chloride, they contain numerous toxic elements including heavy metals, such as aluminum, cadmium, lead and mercury. These wreak havoc in the body, and are very difficult to eliminate
            “If you live in a northern region or near the ocean you have probably seen how rock salt and salt spray eats steel members and chrome coatings on automobiles. If you’ve ever had an open flesh wound and exposed it to salt, your senses will have told you how destructive it is. Salt paralyzes the intestinal villi and kills cells – would you knowingly bathe your delicate villi, your arteries, veins and capillaries with such a corrosive solution? Salt brine kills insects and “pickles” vegetables. Do you want to run a solution of that through your brain 24 hours a day? An ounce of salt, taken all at once, spells suicide.
            “You cannot become healthy if your sense of taste is befuddled by unnatural flavorings. Salt does not bring out the flavor of food; it overpowers your taste buds, deadening them to all sensation other than additional salt, causing unnatural cravings, overeating and beverage guzzling.
            “Salt…

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

              cont.
              “Salt bonds with water, and its toxicity necessitates extra fluid intake. The body’s dilution response causes the cells to become dehydrated, severely impairing health. Salt also throws off the blood’s electrolyte balance (e.g., the sodium to potassium ratio) and acidifies the body, eroding health and impeding healing. Most illness cannot be overcome when salt is part of the diet. The few salt eaters I’ve counseled did not heal their disease conditions until they followed my recommendation of giving up salt–even though their diets were otherwise nearly perfect.….”
              http://www.vibranthealthandwealth.com/vibrance/articles/salt.html

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

            “…SALT is another white substance that creates untold physical problems and suffering. The body needs sodium, but it must be in an organic form in order to be usable by the body. Table salt, sodium chloride, is an inorganic sodium compound formed by the union of sodium and chlorine that is extremely toxic to the body, causing it to retain fluid in an effort to keep this protoplasmic poison in suspension and out of the cells….”
            http://www.all-creatures.org/cb/a-hallelujah.html

  • If K40 cannot be created by neutron activation, then neither can carbon which is also non radioactive, primordially.

    Ooops, turns out it can and does get activated.. just like potassium.

    Radioactive Carbon 14 From Nuclear Power Plants Causing Deforestation, Fungus Infections, Disease And Death Of Trees And Plants Globally – Global Warming
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/05/carbon-14-emitted-by-nuclear-power.html

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      he who says potassium radioactivity is man made
      is an unwitting nuclear cabal aid

    • PavewayIII PavewayIII

      "…If K40 cannot be created by neutron activation, then neither can carbon which is also non radioactive, primordially…"

      Does the NRC pay you well, Dr. Evil? I'm not accusing you of being a shill – you have to be a salaried NRC employee on crack to try so hard.

      There is a moral cost to confusing good-intentioned people that try to understand the complexity around radiation. Nearly everyone here can see through your link-diarrhea and misunderstood citations by now. A person would have to try especially hard to be so ignorant and wallpaper these forums with your mindless spew day after day in an intentional effort to confuse people.

      Please don't hide behind your disingenuous 'We're all learning here' tripe. You are here to discourage the truth, cloaked in a fake anti-nuke persona. Forgive me if you just have a borderline personality disorder OTHER than psychopathy. People are not so dumb as to mistake mere differences of opinion between posters with your inane arguments against known scientific fact.

      You would like to discuss K-40 with Busby? Really? Hell – I would take out a restraining order against you if I were him.

      I don't know much about physics or radiation. I devote much of my time nowadays to understanding psychopaths and the nature of evil. I have to say, your on-line persona could be a poster child for the afflicted.

      Now, back to work – pose a question with one of your pseudo-scientific 'facts' to distract from your anti-social…

    • Jebus Jebus

      There are three naturally occurring isotopes of carbon on Earth: 99% of the carbon is carbon-12, 1% is carbon-13, and carbon-14 occurs in trace amounts, i.e., making up about 1 or 1.5 atoms per 1012 atoms of the carbon in the atmosphere. The half-life of carbon-14 is 5,730±40 years.[3] Carbon-14 decays into nitrogen-14 through beta decay.[4] A gram of carbon containing 1 atom of carbon-14 per 1012 atoms will emit 0.192[citation needed] beta rays per second. The primary natural source of carbon-14 on Earth is cosmic ray action on nitrogen in the atmosphere, and it is therefore a cosmogenic nuclide. However, open-air nuclear testing between 1955–1980 contributed to this pool.

      The different isotopes of carbon do not differ appreciably in their chemical properties. This is used in chemical and biological research, in a technique called carbon labeling: carbon-14 atoms can be used to replace nonradioactive carbon, in order to trace chemical and biochemical reactions involving carbon atoms from any given organic compound.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14

      Natural nitrogen (N) consists of two stable isotopes, nitrogen-14, which makes up the vast majority of naturally occurring nitrogen, and nitrogen-15.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_nitrogen

      • Jebus Jebus

        It matters that it looks like Carbon 14 is another special unstable isotope that decays in a very unique and tolerable way, to biological life forms.

        Still ejects a beta particle, but it does not decay to another radioactive toxin.

        What does cesium 137 decay to again?

        What does cesium 134 decay to again?

        What does strontium 90 decay to again?

        I hope I am not the only one that see's the difference…

      • Jebus Jebus

        My follow up question…

        One atom of C-14

        One decay.

        A beta decay.

        A particle flies out.

        The C-14 atom becoms a stable N-14 atom?

        What is the partice that flew out?

        • Jebus Jebus

          I'll try again, what is the particle that flew out?

          • PavewayIII PavewayIII

            It's a B- decay, Jebus. A neutron changes into a proton, but stays inside the atom's core. TWO particles are ejected in a C-14 decay: an electron and an antineutrino.

            https://www.learner.org/courses/physics/unit/text.html?unit=2&secNum=6

            Atomic testing spiked the level of C-14 on earth in the 60's and it's been dropping since then. Nuke plant C-14 contribution is order of magnitude lower, but still keeps C-14 levels above natural levels.

            https://goo.gl/7pe457

            • Jebus Jebus

              Ah, ok, is a valid question, whats the kev or energy level of the electron?

              I take it that it is different than the most common K-40 beta decay? Is that an electron? Energy level.

              I am just seeing that C-14 and mostly K-40 are almost "biologically tolerable", by composition and decay result, unlike the actnides of man…

              I have read many articles on how the carbon dating regimen is being skewed by anthropologic C-14 activity…

            • Jebus Jebus

              BTW, thank you for that link PavewayIII.

              The electrons are what amaze me. They seem individually universal no matter what. 🙂

              The more I learn, the number three always popping up uniquely in all physics and biology is interesting…

            • Jebus Jebus

              No wait, he say's with gears grinding…

              This C-14 beta decay.

              So the antineutrino is the particle that bashes at almost light speed?

              Am I correct in that any electron decay – or + is the spark that fries?

              • PavewayIII PavewayIII

                Ionization is what we're worried about. Neutrino/Anti-neutrinos have no charge and don't cause ionization as they fly around. We're only worried about the electron-like particles (electrons, positrons) from beta decays because they do have a charge. A certain B+ decay may not throw off any electron-like particles, but produce a x-ray photon which is also ionizing.

                Electron-like particles and photons have the same radiation weighing factor of 1. Aside from their energy levels, they are considered equally damaging (vs. say an alpha particle's weighing factor of 20). That weighing factor is considered when they calculate the biologically effective dose per disintegration as Sv/Bq.

                The ICRP says K-40 ingested has 6.2 nSv/Bq of effect for it's decay modes (ECRR the same). C-14 ingested is listed as .56 nSv/Bq by the ICRP, but the ECRR uses 2.9 nSv/Bq (Adult), 5.8 nSv/Bq (Age 1 -14) and 15 nSv/Bq (Age 0-1) ingested.

                The decay modes and energies are easily found on the web – these are already taken into account for the effective Sv/Bq calculations, so it's far easier to use those ICRP or ECRR numbers than juggle all the decay mode probabilities and energies.

                Beta energies for a specific isotope's decay are also not a single, fixed value like alpha. They follow a distribution curve and are usually given as an average or max value, complicating things further. Use Sv/Bq.

                • Jebus Jebus

                  Just considering the exposure, let alone the heavy metals, toxic alkalis, and analog replacement effects upon biota.

                  Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to say that a Sv/Bq of K-40 is not the same dose as a Sv/Bq of C-137 over any equal time…

                  • PavewayIII PavewayIII

                    The ICRP tables give sieverts of total effective dose per Becquerel for a reference human body. The ICRP TED in Sieverts has the all the time factors included including biological half-life and decay.

                    Since Cs-137 isn't naturally a part of your body, any amount is a dose. Ingesting a 100 Bq one-time dose (at ICRP 13 nSv/Bq) gives you a 1.3 mSv total dose – the ICRP calls it a committed effective dose. That's the total amount of biological effect in Sieverts until it's either excreted or you live 50 years.

                    It's less clear how the ICRP treats K-40. Technically, there is no way to calculate the committed effective dose in Sieverts for the intrinsic potassium in your body using ICRP numbers. The 6.3 nSv/Bq figure they give is how an additional Bq of ingested K-40 would affect you while it's in your body. Since any ingested potassium is eventually excreted, they only consider the effect of the six-week or whatever biological half-life of K-40. According to the ICRP, ingesting 100 Bq of K-40 results in a .630 mSv dose.

                    That's why UNSCEAR will claim, Bq for Bq, Cs-137 is only twice as bad as 'natural' K-40. *I* don't say that – it's pretty damn clear their calculations don't reflect reality.

                    The real problem comes from trying to calculate the committed dose from 5000 Bq. of intrinsic K-40 in your body by using ICRP dose numbers. You can't – that's not what they're for.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Biological half-life of potassium is 10 to 28 days.

                      On biological half-life of potassium in man.
                      Rahola T, Suomela M.
                      Abstract
                      The highly sensitive whole-body counting technique makes quantitative determinations of nanocurie amounts of gamma-emitters within the body possible. So such counters are especially suitable for the long-term measurement of tracer retention and excretion rates. In the present study, the biological half-life of body potassium in ten male volunteers was determined using 42K as tracer. The group was measured using two different types of whole-body counters. A 43-cm standard chair technique was used with counter A and a multidetector linear scanning technique with counter B. The oral tracer dose of 12-15 muCi 42K to volunteers made it possible to estimate the biological half-life of potassium, which varied from 10 to 28 days, the mean being 16 days. The total body potassium determinations were carried out with the 42K- and 40K-methods. The results of the parallel determinations performed with Counter A agreed well with those of Counter B. A good consistency was also found in the body potassium values of individual subjects, obtained using both the methods separately for each counter.
                      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1181976
                      Ann Clin Res. 1975 Apr;7(2):62-5.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      "The real problem comes from trying to calculate the committed dose from 5000 Bq. of intrinsic K-40 in your body by using ICRP dose numbers. You can't – that's not what they're for."

                      I see this as a cop-out. Why? Because the entire concept of radiation toxicity revolves around their numbers and they use their numbers to compare fallout to background to give the public a sense of the danger involved. If you cant determine the danger of internal or oceanic background radiation using their numbers, then how can you rightfully compare fallout to background…which they do all the time? The thinking is warped. The radiation toxicity question and the LNT dose model and hormesis doesnt explicitly start at zero radiation, simply because there IS NO zero radiation. But implicit in their model is that everything is suffering sub acute radiation sickness. I find that questionable at best. K-40 gives 100% mortality in 60k years according to their model. Yet life did fine for millions of years before small increases of fallout quickly began an extinction vector. That is for some reason impossible for people to understand. I wonder why?

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    Isnt it true the dose models, however well calculated, still only revolve around the radioactivity? For a fun look at where we are in the history of dosimetry comedy, some good old photos here
                    http://www.medicaldosimetry.org/pub/3973015d-2354-d714-5111-22a5dfd6b709

                    and here
                    https://www.aapm.org/meetings/09SS/documents/01Almond-HistoryandNeedforAccuracy.pdf

                    I think its safe to say that nobody has been able to determine how sick life is from the extrapolated dosimetry of native internal radiation. That said, theres no doubt the cosmos and its rays are hostile to life. Poor little bags of bilayer lipids, all puffed up with hubris while they cut the tree of life that supports them

                  • PavewayIII PavewayIII

                    The ICRP dose model will be discarded an laughed at in twenty years. But it's the same as when the tobacco industry encouraged government scientists to publish an official cancer risk model for cigarette toxins in 1962. The scientists that pointed out the flaws in the model and the people observing that smoking was bad for you were mostly ignored at the time. Alarmists and conspiracy theorists – it wasn't THAT bad.

                    There were still studies coming out in the 60's about how smoking was actually good for you – smoking hormesis. And there were plenty of other studies that 'proved' the toxins in cigarette smoke were nothing compared to environmental toxins, so smoking was RELATIVELY harmless.

                    It didn't matter that they were right and they knew they were right. It took the scientific community a good two or three decades later to convince themselves that smoking really was bad in ways they never imagined.

                    Hormesis, intrinsic 'doses' and imaginary radionuclides make interesting enenews arguments, but it's still going to take another decade or two before the scientific community convinces itself of the actual cancer risk from radiotoxins. All the Busbys and Bandazhevskys in the world ar not going to convince them (or anyone whose paycheck depends on the nuke industry) that the ICRP model sucks before then. The scientific community can be stubborn as hell at times.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      The scientific community has already accepted that there is no safe dose of radiation:

                      All Levels of Radiation Confirmed to Cause Cancer.
                      “Washington, DC July 30, 2005 The National Academies of Science released an over 700-page report yesterday on the risks from ionizing radiation. The BEIR VII or seventh Biological Effects of Ionizing Radiation report on "Health Risks from Exposure to Low Levels of Ionizing Radiation" reconfirmed the previous knowledge that there is no safe level of exposure to radiation—that even very low doses can cause cancer. Risks from low dose radiation are equal or greater than previously thought. The committee reviewed some additional ways that radiation causes damage to cells. …”
                      https://www.nirs.org/press/06-30-2005/1

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Deadly Deceit: Low-Level Radiation High-Level Cover-Up Paperback – April, 1991
                      by Jay M. Gould (Author), Benjamin A. Goldman (Author)

                      A Primer in the Art of Deception Paperback – August 1, 2009
                      by Paul Zimmerman (Author)
                      http://www.amazon.com/Primer-Art-Deception-Paul-Zimmerman/dp/061523416X

                      A Primer in the Art of Deception: The Cult of Nuclearists, Uranium Weapons and Fraudulent Science
                      http://nonuclear.se/zimmerman

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      OVERVIEW: Deadly Deceit, Low-Level Radiation, High-Level Coverup
                      Summary: there is no level of radiation low enough to be deemed "safe"
                      “’Our findings of a supralinear effect also agree with similar findings for cancer mortality from exposures to low-level radiation made by four eminent authorities: Dr. John Gofman, Dr. Karl Z. Morgan, Dr. Thomas Mancuso and Dr. Alice Stewart. All four scientists worked at various times for the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission or Department of Energy. All four concluded that the dose-response relationship was supralinear, which means that there is no level of radiation low enough to be deemed "safe". The government terminated the services of all four when they each, independently, came up with what Dr. Gofman has called the "wrong" answer–that is, the opposite of what the AEC wanted to hear.
                      “’The supralinear dose-response for infant mortality may apply to all deaths from immune-system damage caused by radiation-induced free radicals (the so-called "Petkau effect" which is discussed in the methodological appendix). This generalization is supported by a projection of the current trend in the U.S. age-adjusted mortality rates (see Chapter Seven). This projection suggests that without fundamental change, the death rates of all age groups will begin to rise in the 21st century, cancelling out previous advances in longevity. ‘…

                      “There is now reason to fear that low-level radiation from fallout and from nuclear reactors may have done…

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      cont.
                      far more damage to humans and other living things than previously thought, and that continued operation of civilian and military nuclear reactors may do irreversible harm to future generations as well.
                      “The chief findings in this book revolve around statistical estimates of excess deaths that have never before been part of the public debate on the dangers of low-level radiation. They may shock the general reader, because there has been a sustained effort to withhold official data from the public, as discussed in Chapter Six.
                      “Nuclear physicists realized as early as 1943 that fission products released into the atmosphere could enter into the food chain, and, when ingested, could accelerate the deaths of millions of persons worldwide. As related in Chapter Seven, Linus Pauling and Andrei Sakharov calculated in 1958 that millions of people would die prematurely from the ingestion of fission products resulting from fallout from atmospheric bomb tests…”
                      http://www.ratical.org/radiation/inetSeries/DDoverV.html

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      there is no level of radiation low enough to be deemed "safe" except that which naturally occurs in your body. A significant amount it turns out, much large than most everyone is getting from nuclear fallout, the real killer

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      deadly deceit; all of nature has been sick from natural radiation forever, and the cabal is only adding a small amount to it, not enough to worry about

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      That is not the argument of the book, Deadly Deceit, or the scientific community.

                      Any addition of radiation to any background radiation, even the tiniest amount, is dangerous because even natural radiation can cause cancer. And any addition raises the risk even more. Even one tenth of one billionth gram of Plutonium239 inhaled is 100% lethal for everyone.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      “Hyperkalemia is the medical term that describes a potassium level in your blood that's higher than normal. Potassium is a nutrient that is critical to the function of nerve and muscle cells, including those in your heart.
                      “Your blood potassium level is normally 3.6 to 5.2 millimoles per liter (mmol/L). Having a blood potassium level higher than 7.0 mmol/L can be dangerous and requires immediate treatment.”
                      http://www.mayoclinic.org/symptoms/hyperkalemia/basics/definition/sym-20050776

                      “The most common cause of genuinely high potassium (hyperkalemia) is related to your kidneys, such as:
                      1. Acute kidney failure
                      2. Chronic kidney disease
                      Other causes of hyperkalemia include:
                      1. Addison's disease (adrenal failure)
                      2. Alcoholism or heavy drug use that causes rhabdomyolysis, a breakdown of muscle fibers that results in the release of potassium into the bloodstream
                      3. Angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors
                      4. Angiotensin II receptor blockers (ARBs)
                      5. Destruction of red blood cells due to severe injury or burns
                      6. Excessive use of potassium supplements
                      7. Type 1 diabetes “
                      http://www.mayoclinic.org/symptoms/hyperkalemia/basics/causes/sym-20050776

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      and what does hyperkalemia have to do with the danger of radiation?

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Code, the really tragic result of your deceptive arguments about the hormesis of K-40 leads to this murderous argument:

                      “…’It's going to allow the nuclear forces to claim that, okay, we're getting an additional exposure from Fukushima … but it's making people healthier.’…”
                      http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/09/08/radiation-is-good-for-you-and-other-tall-tales-of-the-nuclear-industry/

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      no it doesnt. My argument is leave nature alone

                • Jebus Jebus

                  Let me rephrase that so it doesn't sound so dumb…

                  So it is of utmost importance to identify the source, to determine the dose?

                  If correct, that alone nullifies the insane notion that one can just throw it all in a five gallon bucket and call it a dose…

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    A bucket of bananas is really OK until you dump the manmade Nuclear crap on top of it..then all the bananas are bad.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    Jebus, its not that its so complicated, its that its difficult to comprehend. Perhaps you underestimate the effect of the atomic age; far too many were born like me; an opinionated knave suffering from cretinism. Dont forget weve been going downhill since our last interbreeding with neanderthal. Now THIS! If you want my opinion on that, just coax me with a banana.

                    My whole query into man made vs preexisting isotopes reminds me of a strange scene at the pub last night; A horse walks into the bar, and the bartender says "why the long face?" The horse replies "my ENEnews addiction is ruining my marriage"

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      You should reread what I said…

                      To which the bartender replied, I know what you mean, my marriage is ruining my ENENews addiction…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      yes Jebus…and under the starry sky, a moonlighting wife was singing this song, mounted on a fine looking stallion

                      http://www.chiquita.com/Chiquita/media/JIngles/Original_Chiquita_Jingle.mp3

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      To which the barmaid replied…"Your wife called, Horse. She said you left the barndoor open and don't piss on the electric fence again when you come home."

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      quote Jebus : "..my marriage is ruining my ENENews addiction…"

                      Are you ok Jebus..?
                      Your absence..is only temporarily right..?

                      :\

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      lol!, I live, therefore I yam, happy.

                      Just returned from three days camping in rockaway…

                      I put my feet in the Ocean for my soul…

                      Kids, Grandkids, Pets, and Zen…

                      Bugs, bees, seagulls, squirrels, some birds and the crows…

                      Protected from the Ocean some by the Wilson and Trask outflows… 😐

                      Very little beach debris… 😐

                      The biggest thing that struck me was the three days of flat temperature swings, by the sea.

                      Flat wind, no rain, Fog, and not cold at all.

                      Not having that chilly ocean inflow, at least one evening, is strange…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      A note, all the sea lions are in the many river estuarys.

                      I walked down to the doocks in Astoria and looked at them from 20 feet away. They seemed healthy as I can tell.

                      Means nothing, but I did not see one sea lion, out in the surf, as usual, at all…

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      Ha welcome back , i was just gonne put up a gofundme page to pay for your divorce j/k LOL..

                      Camping is nice..i havent used my tent in at least 10 years..

                      So it is heating up enough to sense a difference..

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      I mis camping..was what i was saying in the second phrase lol

                  • PavewayIII PavewayIII

                    "…If correct, that alone nullifies the insane notion that one can just throw it all in a five gallon bucket and call it a dose…"

                    A committed effective dose describes the effect of radiation on the human body. Becquerels describes one dimension of the amount of radioactivity without any respect to the human body.

                    You can't describe a bucket of radionuclides as having anything but x becquerels of activity.

                    If you drank the bucket, you could calculate the dose it gave you *IF* you knew the radionuclide so you could use the right Sv/Bq figure.

                    External dose does depend on time exposed because there's no biological half-life. There's a different set of ICRP tables for that. If you crawled inside the bucket, you could calculate the external dose per hour if you knew the radionuclide.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    'getcher bucket 'o becquerels here'

                    Im guessing the sieverts/bucket of becquerels is based on a complex mathematical formula involving radiation type, energy deposition, biological half life, routes of exposure etc, the cancer causing effect extrapolated from experiments and accidents involving man made isotopes. In other words, they just make up the number for primordial isotopes which they couldnt remove from the body. Since theres no test, theres no proof, which leaves it open for speculation. So, taking the cavalier attitude of the naturalist, Im going to speculate that life wasnt suffering from subacute radiation sickness since day one when we were learning to swim in a 1,000,000 bq/m^3 salt brine. On the other hand, if its ever proven man WAS created in HIS image, it becomes quite likely we WERE poisoned from the get go. Indeed that could explain why the vomit is such a primal experience.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Back in the days when the banana plantations began ..the natives were not found dying from eating bananas..
    What say plantains?

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      nuke cabal says youre in more danger sleeping next to someone then you are eating their super toxic fallout. And 99% of the people believe it

      • Shaker1

        Reading this thread, Code, has me thinking that some old-timers here might believe the same thing.

        All bequerels are not equal.

        Do we have to keep saying that?

        • Shaker1

          Now, I'll admit that I don't discuss those types of numbers simply because I have no way to confirm any count.

          But it does seem quite 'iffy' to do any calculation of bequerels to seiverts or curies without some assessment of all of the radionulides present. To me, they're just numbers floating out in space. Look at numbers for tritium emissions. They're out the roof.

          On a side note, I always wondered why they don't use tritium rather than bananas. They've always claimed that it's radioactive but harmless, and tritium's means to enter the body are so much greater. Is it because they don't want to draw attention to the fact that they're the ones who create the vast majority of tritium?

          • Shaker1

            I personally saw this thread as very dangerous with some of the misconceptions and lack of dilligence of some. Some of us old-timers here really need to think a bit more about what we place in comments. As most of you know, the preception of the disinterested, yet not unaffected, common man might begin to think that because bananas are just so radioactive there can't be any harm in dumping ALARA and indiscriminately raising the accepted limits. It's shameful, this disingenuousness on the part of the NRC. It's quite obvious to me that they want to implement new standards and really don't care what anyone thinks. They just don't want names tagging the decision, especially their own.

            We need to make ourselves clear about things. Hormesis is a long-recognized mechanism. We all have likely experienced such a thing ourselves without realization of it. The problem with hormesis and these limits is that there is no guarantee on an individual basis whether one's body has the means to that mechanism, they don't seem to display a means of determining it, nor does it have any predictability below the limits they've set. I find claims of 'social value' and 'protection' at odds in that societies consist of individuals. You cannot reasonably, without intentionally sacrificing a portion of that society. Who speaks for those people? What right do they have to that responsibility?

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              This is a perfect example of Nuclear Hormesis and this is exactly what the sleeping world should expect for all their offspring if we do not stop this Nuclear Industry in it's tracks now while their operating failure rate is through the roof!

              It will only get worse and none of this will ever get better! 🙁 Shut them all down!
              http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3228099/The-woman-breast-46-year-old-huge-tumour-removed-growing-10-years.html

            • Shaker1

              The last sentence should read "What right does the NRC have to that responsibilty?" They're appointed, so there is such an indirect method of having a say in such appointments that the reality is we've none at all. While the same covers every regulatory agency, without what be our better-informed and more-practiced nuclear debaters here it's going to be a battle of scientific papers which each side in this case claims in the 100s. We're right back at the beginning in that case in my mind. Whose data is it? What are their motives? What mildly disinterested (yet, again, affected) is going to do that?

              We and others like us are the ones who are going to put this in terms that common support might need for whatever reason they need that support.

              Hey, I like (or used to much more) the chaos of enenews. I also like the show of emotion. This is a 'human' forum in spades. But I've stayed away from commenting for a number of reasons unassociated to my likes, and some of the misinformation contained in speculation is one of them. While most misinfo can be spotted fairly easily, those who are good at supplying know how diguise it, and it often isn't apparent without dilligence that few outside peering in will do. We've got a lot of convincing to do yet, don't we?

              • Shaker1

                One thing that I might point out is that the NRC can, if they wish, circumstantially raise the limits for those who work directly in the nuclear industry and their associated others, such as medical people who one assumes is informed about the dangers. They'd have to put up with a comment period, of course, but personally I wouldn't care to comment. Those workers do that work voluntarily. Such circumstantial action would also satisfy the supposed 'need' of those petitions, but for the physcological BS paper. I've yet to see how ridding the rules of ALARA and raising the limit is going to allay any public fear.

                ALARA is important simply from a management point of view. The reason things regarding nuclear today isn't worse than it might be is because the industry is forced into the philosophy. I've background in production management and likely 1/3 of my time in that management capacity was protecting the process from deterioration, be it on an individual or policy basis. As it is, the industry is too priveleged and dismissive. San Onofre is a prime example of that deterioration on a grand scale, at the NRC who didn't pay enough attention to the fact that a very differnt animals than 'like-for-like' were installed there to Hitachi admitting that it didn't do the modeling that would have at least allowed them to construct designs of some mechanical integrity. They actually used different procedures to construct the heads of each of the two assemblies, which I…

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              hormesis…indescriminantly poisoning the earth on the basis it might help somebody is the most shameless inane proposal. We live in the dark ages. On the other hand, catagorically throwing out any and all possibly of biological effects other than damage, mutation and cancer is really narrow minded thinking

        • What I meant, Shaker; who the heck cares about Potassium-40, anyway? Why was so much time devoted to that? I think it was because one person would not stop saying they are ALL equal.
          Obviously, not all isotopes are the same. Nor should they be treated (or feared) the same.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            AnneBeck, actually I focused on it because the nuclear cartel and media mouthpieces always focus on it in order to downplay the danger of fallout. We care about it because its by far the largest source of radioactivity in the ocean and in our cells. I know you get that, but I couldnt figure out why the rhetorical question…

          • Shaker1

            AnneBeck, I think you're right, and I agree. The K40 issue by itself may have been addressed just as well in 50 comments, or 100 if on its own.

            Please understand that I was addressing the general confusion. Some (including myself; we're here because we've passions for the subjects, right?) should stop occasionally when they're seriously challenged, consider why and do some dilligence, cursory at least, as to why that challenge exists. Something was put forward without any personal caveat, a declarative statement, not "Hey, I found this; this might support it; what might you guys think?" I realize that most of us are used to each other that there might be assumed intent not stated, like an insider joke or language. Some of what was discussed in the needs to be discussed further, like hormesis in light of current necessities rather than as sweeping general knowledge. Seems to me that's what the NRC wants us to do, keep the discussion and questions of hormesis' mechanisms general. I'll be one of the first to say hormesis exists, but in in relation to radioactivity one better be ready to face my passions and long list of exceptions.

            I'm sorry that at the moment the actual public's response to the NRC has gripped my passion. I truly want to see it defeated. I'm afraid in the dynamic of this instance someone not used to such things or so forgiving of what is seeming to me more and more like familial interaction might just go away and look at Physicsforum for at…

            • Shaker1

              …at least a well-ordered (heavily moderated) set of insights. How many viewers does enenews get a day? We who comment are just a small group. Seems we've greater influence than numbers.

              Sorry again for the overactive fingers. My first set of comments missed some specifics that would have made my sentences closer to my intent.

              Anyone got some of those Chinese finger toys? I've four fingers to restran.

        • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

          And still , those who's opinion can make a difference..refuse to recognize the house with all the baby's in is on fire..whilest holding a half empty box of matches..crazy..

  • aunavoz

    Code .. fecal transplant is actually a pretty successful treatment for gut disorders.

    And simple… do at home.

    http://www.mayoclinic.org/medical-professionals/clinical-updates/digestive-diseases/quick-inexpensive-90-percent-cure-rate

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Crap Ceres is an off world gambling hot spot! Must be lots of slot/ATM machines..
    http://doubtfulnews.com/2015/09/ceres-spots-in-higher-res-still-cant-solve-the-mystery/

  • recall pink sky effect at Fuku?
    Creepy photos-
    Mysterious blood red auroras light up the skies over the USA
    http://strangesounds.org/2015/09/mysterious-red-auroras-us-sky.html

  • Aloha, did y'all have a nutritious banana smoothie this morning>?

  • Preface by Egan O'Connor for CNR: The calculations below establish that one large nuclear power plant, during one year of operation, produces as much long-lived radioactive poison (fission products) as produced by the explosion of about 1,000 Hiroshima bombs.

    The calculations were placed into the Congressional Record by U.S. Senator Mike Gravel, Democrat from Alaska, on July 8, 1971

    http://ratical.org/radiation/CNR/fission.html

  • I was unable to view ENE News all day.
    Was it hacked again??

    I have been putting news [ not duplicated from ENE ] on the hound's forum here –
    http://fukushimahounds.freeforums.net/board/23/missfrills-news

    Just in case it happens again!

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