Published: May 25th, 2011 at 4:06 am ET
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More Melted Fuel At Japan’s Fukushima Nuclear Plant Uncovered During UN Probe, AP, May 24, 2011:
[...] In addition, some chunks of the fuel appeared to have entered the inner containment chambers, or drywell, causing some damage. [...]
See yesterday’s report: Reactor No. 1 drywell is now at 192 Sieverts per hour
Published: May 25th, 2011 at 4:06 am ET
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This is exactly how I formed my theory lol… Lets all play a game…
We will predict the very next most likely slightly worst information they could feed us… then wait to see how long until it takes to get posted…
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The known.
The Known
(I just put this up because it seems to reflect this article in my opinion).
By Emmy, 5/23/2011
Fukushima live cam link. Keep an eye on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=FptmoVcgpqg&feature=player_embedded
What we can tell from what we all now know, Is a clear indicator to what we could easily infer. It is a good time to start reading between the lines…
The situation is as I told you earlier. A slinky.
At this point in time the chain reaction has just started to begin. The fuel has likely metamorphosised into an evenly distributed pile of molten clots, that have all slowly melted its way through the reactors outer containment, through the reactors turbine room, and now finally is penetrating out into the soil of fukushima, through the freshly melted steel and concrete holes, it ruptured in the reactors core and outer containment.
Though this is a good thing, as the fuel has not all collected into a molten mass the situation. once again, is a slinky. So what can we infer…
Well I will now explain nuclear mechanics in another simple antidote…
Nuclear fuel is much like a basket ball, passing through a large spring. and every time the ball makes its way from start to finish, the spring creates four new basket balls, with four new springs, and this process repeats its self, over and over and over… Googles, upon googles of times, instantly. This process, creates heat. Tons of heat… Don’t think of a bic lighter, or a light bulb for that matter… Think of the sun, and how the nuclear reactions, constantly taking place light the planet earth for thousands of millions of years.
This is the process that humanity took advantage of to create thermal nuclear electricity. By capturing the nuclear fuel in an active coolant. They were able to harness and power, Massive cities globally.
The problem now, is quite simple… The basketballs and springs (neutrons and atoms), only fulfill that one function. Now that the active…
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Hey enenews
ENENEWS Management!
This is a really STUPID policy you have put in place here, allowing any
God-Forsaken Intelligence agent or Industry Operative to come in and
vote down the best informative discussion posts.
CHANGE YOUR POLICY NOW!
Everybody let’s chime IN.
Tacomagroove has been a major contributor.
Is Enenews taken OVER by the EVIL forces?
If Not, Let’s fuckin’ GO! You have received a superior input.
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we really need a proper registered forum for discussion among regular posters and good new posters as they come along.
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That’s why I started a discussion forum on Yahoo groups. Linked to user name if you’d like to stop by.
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News in mainstream media, Yahoo news..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110525/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake
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The problem now, is quite simple… The basketballs and springs (neutrons and atoms), only fulfill that one function. Now that the active coolant, is not containing the fuel, the fuel is reacting. And violently! It is doing what its intended to do, create that 500,000 megawatt power source.
Meaning each molten mass inside the reactors, are literally, vaporizing any coolant, concrete or mass for that matter; into particles of radioactive isotopes by the trillions… While traveling deeper into the planets crust. And in some time will rest at the zone known as the water table.
The water table will act react with the nuclear fuel like it is bacon, on a frying pan. And the process will release plumes upon, plumes of radioactive steam… This process will last thousands of years, without any intervention. Though once it begins, as stated previously before. Tepco will be “forced to abandon the restoration efforts at fukushima…
(FYI: If you covered it, it would explode from the pressure collecting inside).
So that is in short a china syndrome.
So infer from what I told you all. The releases of steam will get greater, this is because I said: it is now evenly distributed.
Then I said its a slinky: Meaning what can go wrong will go wrong. (because you cant intervene).
Once the fuel is all in the water table. It will do what the sun does, react with its self… Violently. We will have a miniature sun resting in a crater, vaporizing trillions upon trillions of particles into the atmosphere, potentially, for thousands of years.
Well remember those three options I wrote about earlier… Those were after tepco evacuates, and the mess goes all fooey. Those are the events I predict to come, once the situation grows into a 6 reactor event… Maybe someone could reply with a copy of those…
The analysis, I did is in fact correct. It has had 16,300 views on god like productions, and 400 views on youtube. No one has debunked it. This article also proves it. Its time to face…
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Sorry Tacoma, I don’t mean to downplay the seriousness of the situation but your continued references to the sun (a fusion process) demonstrates that your knowledge of even basic physics is doubtful. These reactors depend on fissile materials to generate heat, the two processes are completely opposite in nature and this oversight on your part indicates a fundamental flaw in your thinking. As such I suspect you should probably refrain from making such dire predictions.
There is no question this is a serious situation; nobody seems able to predict what percentage of the radioactive material will eventually end up in our ecosystem, or even has already. Unfortunately this is the nature of the beast, there are no experts beyond meltdown, too many variables.
What everyone should know, and be concerned about, is that even if the process were contained tomorrow, there has already been a significant release of dangerous radioactive particles, some of which may cause us or our children serious harm in the future.
Physicists, politicians and power company executives will fall over each other to tell us it’s safe. I wonder how responsive they will be when people start getting sick.
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Nice post Steven.
People here are always confusing fusion and fission reactions, and mix uncorrect terms into smug apocalyptic announcements. It’s a pitty that such comments decrease the overall credibility of this website, since one of the most important things now is to alert people who think it’s over or not serious.
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http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/ch23/fission.php
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I suppose the discussion is uncontrolled fission becoming uncontrolled fusion.
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A little deuterium ….a little tritrium…
….certain conditions such as HEAT….
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I am with Heart. Discussing only hard facts by experts may soon turn this website new IAEA. You know, the guys who visited Japan 10 weeks after three reactors at Fukushima suffered full meltdowns.
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Test ban graphs updated. Another weeks’ data showed up.
Magenta shows air in Takasak Japan, 200 Km SW of the plant. Blue is Sacramento U.S.
My interpretation:
Cesium 137 – Japan
Ignoring the peaks from explosions/fire (the earliest up to 1000 times or so higher – 3 log x10 divisions) and other events, the current quieter-period air level is lower than before, but not by very much. I suspect that slowly decreasing levels of steam match the drop.
I believe the May bumps may be from the unit 1 containment degrading, the period when they were changing the injection amount and location, and possible instability in unit 2. The second peak seems to coincide with a temporarily rising unit 2 radiation curve previously showing on the same site as the temp graphs. If there was any fission at all, it didn’t amount to much or last (boron was obtained around that time). Level bumps/peaks were larger for the iodine 131 than for the CS 137.
The Iodine 131 graph shows a far more striking decrease, with the last level at the Japan site down to about where Sacramento U.S. was May 4th. It’s surprising to me that the difference between those sites isn’t much larger, but the SW Japan site is likely quieter than some others in Japan.
The Cesium levels show much more drop off with distance, likely due to the particulate form.
In general seeing the Iodine 131 falling off so significantly compared to the cesium would point to decay and the time since since fission increasing. It falling off even more than decay alone would account for suggests that the steam share from the reactors is falling compared to that from the fuel ponds. Higher reactor water flow relative to falling thermal power would cause more of the heat to be carried away in the water and less as steam.
http://www.bfs.de/de/ion/imis/ctbto_aktivitaetskonzentrationen_caesium.gif
http://www.bfs.de/de/ion/imis/ctbto_aktivitaetskonzentrationen_jod.gif
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Sorry Jeremie
YOU mentioning some judgement of Credibility is ludicrous.
Tacomagroove has provided much of the first-report timely info
here. I hope you will wise up befoer you cause one more person to gain a false impression from your propaganda-mongering ass.
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I am sorry you feel that way… Could you please explain the whole situation for me in “physics terms”: Starting with the process of fission, working your way into why the situation happened, what we can expect in terms of atmospheric releases in respect to each reactor by percentage??? Also detail us all in on the political ethics being implored in relation to those physics in a way that nobody here would understand? I am afraid it wouldn’t be helpful at all…
As, I’d really hate to be a bother by enforcing the rules of k.i.s.s. (keeping it simply stupid). I see your point to some regard. though I could complain that the term ecosystem is the wrong term and you meant to say “biome” as you specifically referred to “us” Meaning humanity. so this limits me to thinking you have no idea between a portion of the planets species, and the ecosystem as a whole. While not trying to say you have no grasp on the difference, I suppose Id never hint that I may be quite capable of demeaning you respectfully as well.
in that regard. we both stand corrected. But what did we gain?
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My comments were not meant as an attack Tacoma, but I think it’s important not to make such specific predictions which some may interpret as absolute, when our understanding of the physics is inadequate. As I also pointed out, here and in other posts, not even the physicists seem able to accurately predict the outcome in a meltdown situation due to all the variables.
Use of the word ‘ecosystem’ was intended btw. Not sure of your point there.
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I hope your arrogant ass gets a dose of your bullshit.
Tacomagroove has been Right On, and now we have Thumbs up
Thumbs down votes so that the best material presented here can be squelched off by you propagandists.
I’d throw ya outa my office, and see to it that you are doing physical
labor to teach you to not put down the real caring intellects.
ADMIN
ADMIN
This is a ridiculous Policy you have started, allowing IDIOTS and EVIL
information censors to come in here and hide messages.
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Hey, there are a lot of people with a lot of opinions here. To label everyone who disagrees with you as a propagandist is fucking arrogant. Some of you need to get over yourselves.
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The “official” model of the sun as a fusion reactor is seriouly flawed. Alternative theories such as the plasma model or electric model is more valid although incomplete. In short, the sun is an energy conversion device, like any living entity in the universe. It takes in cosmic energy from our galactic center and gives out lower grade energy to the planets. Our earth takes in this energy to sustain the orbital motion, geological and weather activities. Mother earth also takes this energy to make life-supoorting substances.
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reality, and start preparing. We are simply facing an extinction level event. While the media is locking you out of information, I advise you inferred what that meant as well.
Learn about all the types of radiation, and their effects on health. Make backups, on a laptop that is charged. Find information on survival guides, take screen shots. Have a plan. The situation should pan out rather quickly from here. In all of nuclear physics, there is no viable way to counter react the events, to come.
So I suppose, its not a time to panic. We past that part. Now… Now, its time to prepare. (do it educationally, and in tact. Have emergency supplies, and a safe spot for shelter planned in advance…
You have time… But the situation… The situation is NUCLEAR… Welcome to reality…
Cheers,
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Who wants to live like this?
Like someone mentioned on another thread – have you seen “On The Beach”?
I’m not going to take any precautions. If this is all the better the latest evolution has been able to produce on The Planet Of The Apes then like the dino’s its time for us to go and like this see if Nature has another creation that is better than mankind – something that will be able to survive the mutated mess we leave behind.
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I am not taking any precautions either…with exception of using organic powdered milk packaged prior.
I do come in here everyday and catch up with what’s going on so am more than appreciative for this website. I have 6 grandchildren I adore and somewhere deep inside me wants to know the truth. But I don’t want to stay if we’ve truly fucked up the planet that much and something tells me, we have.
I intend to live each day as tho it were my last…tell the people I love that I love them and come from my heart.
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If the worse happens, and you don’t have a bunker, will it matter if you have provisions?
If you have provisions once you open them, won’t they be contaminated also?
I do think it is wise to have extra food and water on hand.
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6 feet of mass, (or a basement that is in ground). will provide adequate protection from gamma emitting particles. So yes you are able to provide yourself shelter. I advise having a safe place planned…
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Eventually we will know whats going on; Until then watch the live cam and prepare for the worst.
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@tacomagroove wrote,
“The water table will act react with the nuclear fuel like it is bacon, on a frying pan. And the process will release plumes upon, plumes of radioactive steam… This process will last thousands of years, without any intervention.”
It is not possible for this process you cite to last for thousands of years. Most nuclear fuel in a power plant is replaced after about five years because its mostly used up and cannot generate sufficient heat anymore.
So, why do you say this nuclear magma in the ground water will generate plumes for thousands of years?
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That would be hard to explain why they are cooled for 100+years after they are depleted. Seeing how they are radioactive, and contaminated for thousands of years, and the particles half life will last thousands of years, the fuel its self will last in respect to these figures. Though it may cool sooner than later, its not the point that I am stressing to argue… Though you raise a valid point. I will admit that the fuel will last for a life time which is bad enough to that regard.
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So, the thousands of years comment was not meant to convey an atmospheric plume radiation dispersal vector. Rather, you meant that the ground water will be receiving radiation for thousands of years from the cooled nuclear magma pile. Perhaps you can make this clearer in your write-up the next time you repeat it elsewhere.
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No. This guy is talking about a mini sun in a crater burning for a thousand years. He belives this because he can’t distinguish between reality and a sci fi movie he saw.
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Yes, your both right… you forgot to mention: I think it fries like bacon on a frying pan as well.
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We know the explosion is possible (as below). I’m looking for references on the self-sustaining nature of a corium-water interation – i.e. will it [or can it] go on forever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_meltdown
At the point at which the corium relocates to the lower plenum, Haskin, et al relate that the possibility exists for an incident called a fuel-coolant interaction (FCI) to substantially stress or breach the primary pressure boundary when the corium relocates to the lower plenum of the reactor pressure vessel (“RPV”).[8] This is because the lower plenum of the RPV may have a substantial quantity of water – the reactor coolant – in it, and, assuming the primary system has not been depressurized, the water will likely be in the liquid phase, and consequently dense, and at a vastly lower temperature than the corium. Since corium is a liquid metal-ceramic eutectic at temperatures of 2,200 to 3,200 K (3,500 to 5,300 °F), its fall into liquid water at 550 to 600 K (530 to 620 °F) may cause an extremely rapid evolution of steam that could cause a sudden extreme overpressure and consequent gross structural failure of the primary system or RPV.[8] Though most modern studies hold that it is physically infeasible, or at least extraordinarily unlikely, Haskin, et al state that that there exists a remote possibility of an extremely violent FCI leading to something referred to as an alpha-mode failure, or the gross failure of the RPV itself, and subsequent ejection of the upper plenum of the RPV as a missile against the inside of the containment, which would likely lead to the failure of the containment and release of the fission products of the core to the outside environment without any substantial decay having taken place.[9]
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Over my head. Must be profound. Upvote.
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Since the RPVs are breached, and at least some of the corium has fallen to the bottom of the pressure vessels (if TEPCO is to be believed), the chances of an explosion like this is slim.
Something like this in combination with hydrogen may have occurred on March 12/13 to cause the explosions.
I suspect that the corium has already reached the water table, and the probability of an apocalyptic event like this is very low. Radioactive steam will continue to be produced for several months, though, hence the need to build a sarcophagus like the one in Chernobyl, as soon as possible.
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Never mind that Tacomagroove boned himself when he predicted “a star will be born” at Fukushima real soon.
Nuclear math is child’s play to me, so I did calculations, like “6 X 7 = 42,” and now I am prepared to share my findings.
According to my calculations, six reactors will collapse to create a black hole that eats the earth. Real soon.
Tacomagroove inspired me to do science.
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Here’s NHK’s report on the holes:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/25_20.html
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I’d missed this:
http://bit.ly/jHcT0S
The Guardian’s update on the reactor crisis.
Granted, it’s from Monday, but lots of people read it.
The more reliable information in mainstream publications, the better.
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Tacoma.on Harvey Wassermans site.nukefree.org. Look in the older post for ex -sandia worker.His conclusions are similar.{dont know how to copy and paste yet)
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thanks
thats a great site.
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1. Highlight the text [by dragging with the mouse]
2. Press Control-C (or Command C) [to copy]
3. Press Control-V (or Command V) [to paste]
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http://youtu.be/ZiTQ8OGcYNo…3.14 min into this video of the Chernoybl incident helps explain our current situation.We all have to learn so we are not doomed to keep repeating this nightmare.The circumstances our different ,Yet Tacomas worst case scenerio is on the table!
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TEPCO describes 3 meltdowns / Report on Fukushima N-plant outlines downward spiral of events:
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110524006012.htm
Diagrams of core damage to all 3 plants:
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/photo/DY20110525102058990L0.jpg
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“Having ‘partially damage’ (light green) above significant melting (brown) is rather odd/strange/seemingly unlikely. Molten fuel would not support any solid structure. Anything above the melting would likely be severely damaged.” This was posted on the physics forum from one of the moderators.
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Hey ADMIN ADMIN ADMINS!
What the Hell?
You put in your Like/dislike counters, then allow fuckin Idiots to
dominate which messages shall be seen, based upon manipulators
coming to the site the squelch Tacomagrooves Excellent postings.
Fucking Wake up and cancel this policy NOW!
All you posters who’ve been following, speak up. the Professional
Liars and obfuscators have taken over enenews
Hear me ADMINS?
are you under threat?
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Ya..with the adding of the thumbs system..this place becomes an instant popularity contest.
An opportunity.. for shills to change opinion..cause distraction..cause friction among the bloggers..not by debate but anonymous vote.
…..ummm..truth isn’t popular…
What concerns us is the ensuing CHAOS not popularity.
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i don’t like this vote for posts thing either – it’s too easy for hostile outsiders to show up and silence critics of tepco.
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Oh Darwin Darwin, why looking at those votes at all
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Enenews I enjoy your site, and I’m glad that you started this site. I check this site everyday to get the updates, it’s very informative.
I like reading all what people write, even when I disagree with them.
I’m not crazy about the new comment rating.
I would much rather have a place to type in a person’s name and their writings pop up.
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@ WindorSolarPlease – the Search engine on this site doesn’t appear to search comments, but if you want ‘a place to type in a person’s name and their writings pop up’, you can search comments through Google by using the following syntax in a Google search:
WindorSolarPlease site:enenews.com
Replace ‘WindorSolarPlease’ with the username you want to search. Not the most elegeant solution, but with a little extra effort, it sorta works. Once you get to the linked page from Google, use your browser’s native search function to search username occurances on the page.
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Thank you Major Domo, I didn’t know you could do that.
It would be nice, if you only see the postings of that person, without going through the pages.
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I don’t care what others like or dislike. I prefer to read all comments and make up my own mind. Please drop the voting system which only serves to censor certain posts.
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morning
i marked all the red boxes
hope i didnt skew the results
duharr
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Internal server errors, uh oh.
Server meltdown!
@ Admin – Glad to see you’re back online!
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Morning Major. I freaked out when the site wouldn’t load, so I did a little research (I have no idea how I found it, just was “keyboarding furiously” and cursing censorship) and found telephone number for enenews server asking why it was gone this morning. They said it was working fine, and sure enough, 10 minutes later, here we are.
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I agree. Like or Dislike is meaningless and annoying on every site. On this site, it is an abomination!
Admin: I humbly request that you lose it as fast as you found it. Thank you ahead of time.
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Personally, I feel the new comments system can work both ways. Whether or not it’s ‘for shills to change opinion’, or a quick way to provide reasonable honest judgement of contributor’s comment, it’s too early to tell. The Admin is trying to make some improvements to the site, and I fully support him. If not abused, it could be a quick way to gauge whether the contribution has relevant value to the overall discussion, or whether or not the majority agree or disagree with the comment. Given that most peeps contributing to the discussions here appear to be reasonable, chances are it may have some value in influencing positive discussion. That said, it’s not perfect, and open to abuse. Give it some time. ‘Fucking Wake up and cancel this policy NOW!’ is a little harsh.
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From the Daily Mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1390792/Japan-nuclear-disaster-Dozens-pensioners-prepare-risk-lives-Fukushima-clean-up.html
and
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1390427/Operator-stricken-Japanese-nuclear-plant-admits-reactors-gone-meltdown.html
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the workers keep pouring water and boron onto the fuel that has melted its way out of the RPV boron absorbs neutrons.
this water boron mix is all that is between us and hemispheric cancer.. boron gets “old” and loses efficiency or ability to absorb neutrons. it is at this point where TOO MANY VARIABLES ENTER THE PICTURE TO PREDICT OUTCOME
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Don’t look now, (make that DO look now) but the Fukushima live cam seems to be pointed at nothing but blue skies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FptmoVcgpqg
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Just morning fog. The Sun is just coming up in Fuku. If you turn your audio up, you can hear birds. Fog obscured the live cam most of the night, last night. Should start clearing soon.
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Thanks for the clarification.
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…or not
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Giant crane observed on the live feed 9:30 PM Pacific Time USA. Crane visible from lower right hand corner of white intact building on the left extending at 45 degree angle and raising to 90 degree vertical to top. After doing this a couple of times it disappeared behind building.
Also bird sounds coming from near camera earlier this afternoon. This bird seems to come and go…well, at least something is still alive around there…that’s good news, right?
I would think if there were really something emitting 200 Svrt/hr for 3 days in the complex everything there would be dead by now. That level is absolutely astronomical.
I have a geiger counter here. It only detects beta and gamma. My Bkgrnd levels here in CA are btw .02 and .06 MICRO-Svrt/ hr typically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FptmoVcgpqg&feature=player_embedded
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