AP: Experts warn about ground sinking at Fukushima plant — Tepco Adviser: Reactor building structures likely degraded; “Containment degradation” concerns back in 2011

Published: December 3rd, 2013 at 4:22 pm ET


Associated Press, Dec. 3, 2013: A government panel proposed additional measures to lessen the radioactive water crisis at Japan’s crippled nuclear power plant, saying Tuesday that current plans are not enough to prevent the risk of a disaster. […] A draft report, made available to reporters after the panel’s experts and officials met, proposes covering the ground with asphalt to reduce rain inflow […] Radioactive water has been leaking from the damaged reactors and mixing with groundwater […] Experts say that the underground water that flows into the reactor and turbine basements is mostly rainwater, which can be reduced by covering most exposed dirt with asphalt […] Experts also cautioned that decreasing the amount of groundwater could cause the ground to sink in some areas with soft structure. Such vulnerable locations include the area where hundreds of tanks have been built to contain highly radioactive water, said Hitoshi Tsukamoto, a geologist at the National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology.

Congressional Briefing Update by Lake Barrett (Now advising Tepco on Fukushima crisis), July 29, 2011: Current Primary Containment Integrity Seismic Risk […]  *Primary Containments are Partially Flooded with Core Feed Water Outflow Well Beyond Design Basis Levels — *Earthquake Aftershocks Add Increased Dynamic Stress to Higher than Design Static Stress — *Reactor Building Structure Has Likely Been Degraded by Explosions and initial Earthquake To an Unknown Degree — *Containment Integrity Margins are Uncertain if a Large Aftershock

Presentation by Lake Barrett(Now advising Tepco on Fukushima crisis), Sept. 26, 2011: Current & Emerging Issues *After Shock Structural Integrity — *Containment Degradation […] Safety Challenges *Aftershock Safety -– *System & Containment Degradation

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Published: December 3rd, 2013 at 4:22 pm ET


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104 comments to AP: Experts warn about ground sinking at Fukushima plant — Tepco Adviser: Reactor building structures likely degraded; “Containment degradation” concerns back in 2011

  • Bones Bones

    It blew up a few times, continues leaking to this day, and still has yet to be contained in any manner respectful to the word contain. They act like they have ANY containment. lol Cute, but not real obviously. Containment requires tens if not hundreds of thousand Japanese to participate in the biggest and deadliest clean-up ever. A bit of double think on assessing containment when there is none.

    • Bones Bones

      Not that you can clean it up, but at least stop any further releases. There will be another disaster with Fukushima. A permanent meltdown, on the coast of the Pacific, and in the Ring of Fire spells certain doom porn for the future. Another tsunami/quake would take everything with it this time. The quake can crush it to the ground and the tsunami raze the site. That would be truly scary. I don't see the ocean ever recovering if the entire load of fuel falls into the Pacific and into the air as well. Amazing we have people who call themselves our leaders at all.

      • SS4U SS4U

        it's almost as though nothing at all is happening and yet it is. the deafening sound of silence. has anyone here noticed a lot of allergies, sinus problems and cold like symptoms among the population ?

        we are all fuked because they cant fix this and they know it. prepare for the worse. Helen Caldicott was right.

  • ruppert

    It doesn't take a genius to see that we are slowly being prepared for something they already know is going to happen.

    TEPCO's standard operating procedure is to first put the idea of something "could" happen then it becomes "we are afraid of it happening" to it is happening now.

    Meanwhile the valuable time they waste gives the potential victims of whatever is going to happen less time to do anything that might still be possible to possibly save themselves.

    It just gets so tiring this drip-drip-dripping the facts out.

    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      ruppert, you hit the nail on the head as TEPCO does drip out info which we know is already happening or rather consider the possibility of it being a dire reality. Why they did not get under those facilities like Russia attacked Chernobyl is something I have great difficulty wrapping my head around. I also thought other nations would hound them and insist on cleaning up this radioactive nightmare and am astounded at the lack of intervention. This is like watching glass break on a tile floor at the slowest pace imaginable with every shard cutting a little deeper.

    • SS4U SS4U

      Helen Caldicott was right from day one. She called it.

      • nedlifromvermont

        John Gofman, Manhattan Project insider, got it right in the 1960's way before Helen …

        Day One would have been that July 1945 day near Alamagorda, NM, at the Trinity Test site.

        J. R. Oppenheimer was there. He went to his grave knowing that all fission research should have stopped there.

        But the money! The absolute oodles of money government threw at, had already thrown at this program, corrupted otherwise self-interested, greedy banker types.

        There is no stopping a freight train, even if the cargo is only radioactive isotopes …

        peace 'newsers, rest …

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Almagordo, New Mexico?

          • DebbyS

            Alamogordo, New Mexico

            Like several other contributors, I live in Albuquerque. Alamogordo is the nearest town to what is now White Sands Missile Range, in the south-central part of NM, east of the Organ Mountains.

    • Kashiko Kashiko

      All the major people involved should be tried for crimes against humanity and strung up. If u r reading this any of you. I hate you and your small minded petty little ways

    • babbo dorian babbo dorian

      100% agree with you…..
      Since one year ago, more or less, "they" are preparing the public for something or to happen… or that they are going to do…. and that is why all the stage created with the sfp4, that, by the way…….were'nt we told that there is an ele with the so dangeorous manage of the sf?
      Best of luck for you…

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    No shots from the air by media will be allowed during this operation due to security reasons. At Fukushima when they fall into radioactive water, they don't want anyone to see how incompetent they are.

    Asphalt paver falls in a sinkhole

  • Urban27

    Have they deliberately try to wash the cores out in the sea?!

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    I doubt that their sinkhole will be less than 25 acres. More likely the whole coast will crumble.

    Louisiana 25-acre sinkhole brings mini-earthquakes, explosion fears
    Published November 17, 2013

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Have a look, 'Newsers, at the Fukushima Daichi plant, on NETC. You can zoom in on the map. The plant is the size of a small city. Really helps to put things into perspective.


      The plant looks almost as large as the city of Futaba, to the northeast.

      • deedles deedles

        I'd like to know how all the radiation readings around there are so normal?

        • jec jec

          Not normal readings. Look at the recent comments on the Radiation blog on this site. Not normal at all, just 'cooked data.'

          Also note the nSv/h showing on the radiation meters..2-4 nSv/h is background for Great Briton..look at the much much higher numbers as nSv/h in Japan! But does cover up the alpha/gamma releases I guess. 500 nSv/h is the max dose for humans in Czech Republic per one site, are other humans different?

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    No free press. Only a colossal cover-up:

    No meltdown, but building around Japan nuclear reactor explodes, crumbles
    on March 12, 2011
    “TOKYO — Japan's government spokesman says the metal container sheltering a nuclear reactor was not affected by an explosion that destroyed the building it's in.
    “Yukio Edano says the radiation around the plant did not rise after the blast but instead is decreasing. He added that pressure in the reactor is also decreasing….”

  • Nick

    My hair stood on end when TMI hit my brain.

    Not sure what I felt when #3 went kabooommm!?

    Chernobyl was/is what it is.


    God damn us all to hell.

    • ToBeExpected ToBeExpected

      There is some peculiarly enough some good news in all this.

      God cannot and would not ever ‘damn us all to hell’, as you so wish it, as hell is wholly a human concept. What can be done, however, and what is being done right now, is allowing thinking humans to see, that they cannot ever rule themselves successfully. We can all now see that it is a total and utter failure and disaster.

      What is to follow is a slow but steady freak out from what I can see and deduce. More and more, the news about this contamination will spread worldwide and more and more people will slowly realize what dire straits we are really in.

      What one has to remember is, we humans don’t make the earth spin at 600+ mph … someone else is in control of that and has it in hand and that someone else, unlike humans is someone that can be trusted implicitly.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Did you ever think that maybe the Earth is really heaven and it is we humans that are turning the Earth into a living hell?

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          God's will ..we destroy ourselves.. meant.
          Sounds like yet another version of Manifest Destiny.
          Ya.. hope folks don't mind… if I don't root for the home team.

          Lake of Fire – Nirvana (Unplugged)(HD)


          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Your on a roll.. 🙂 Cherish all these moments!

          • ToBeExpected ToBeExpected

            The point is will the powers that be learn from their mistakes and turn around… that is the question.

            Will we recognize or will we ridicule to absolve ourselves of blame.. seems easier to do it that way doesn't it.. but even the powers that be, when their heads hit their pillows they will never sleep easy.. how can they, their consciences are that powerful with constant whispers of .. you shouldna done that..

            The planet will never be destroyed but those who intend to destroy it, will… just wait and see.

            • deedles deedles

              +1 to you, TBE. This whole nightmarish episode is, for me, bringing into laser bright clarity the presence of true evil at work on this planet (yes…that fallen angel). Every facet of control under TPTB seem to have the end result of degradation, disease and death for God's (yes, God)creation. Greed and even Orwellian control doesn't explain what it being perpetrated against us (all of us, flora and fauna included)in every realm. IMO, the burning hate-driven desire for utter destruction is the only thing that accounts for this.

          • mungo mungo

            Oh heart, he still gets me,I love that man

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          No way Earth is heaven. But It was better than it is.

          I have read something that sparked a memory or something, that made me consider that references to heaven may actual refer to the ocean. Have no idea what I am talking about to be honest. But when all starfish died, I thought of the Book of Revelations. Some of the stars fell out of heaven… man if that were true, it would mean we are already almost …most of the seals have already been broken!

          But religious thought has frazzled my brain and it makes me tired. I cannot fathom "The Truth." I mean THE truth. Sometimes I feel the fog lifting, but mostly I should consider buyin' fog lights.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            "Some of the stars fell out of heaven"..that would be your Nuclear Power Plants now located and sitting all over the Earth. 🙁 These are actually mini stars..

    • Gradius

      There NEVER was a "god" in first place. That is just the very same mitology which Geeks did back there with a lot "gods", the sames goes to egyptian, vikins, romans, and on, and on, and on. Don't be brainwashed please.

  • mungo mungo

    Japan is such a beautiful country too. Come to think of it, this planet is totally spectacular. Shame we came along.

    • ToBeExpected ToBeExpected

      We were given instruction to take care of it, remember? We failed, we gave the power and the rights to other humans …they abused it and messed it up big time for us all. That's the lesson. The coffee will be smelled soon enough.

      • SS4U SS4U

        We did not all behave like sheeple and accept the nuclear lies. It's always a few that do the work for everyone else.

        The fact is greedy money grubbing power hungry plutocrats have taken control of the earth and its inhabitants.

        They will pay like everyone else will. No one escapes this. Decent caring folks never had a chance. The fix was in from the beginning.

        • It's about money, when you analyze it. People accept nuclear power because they believe it will give them JOBS and investors believe it will give them PROFITS. People shut up and conceal the truth because of money too. Scientists won't get the grant money if they speak out, for example.

    • Au Au

      I would say "Shame, greedy, power hungry Alpha males came along and effed it all up."

      If mothers ran the world we would not be in this mess IMHO. Hec, I doubt we would even have sky scrapers. "That's too high! There will be no climbing around that high off the ground. Understood?"

      Mothers of "that" world have outnumbered Lady Judge and ripped her weave out. That is for sure.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "Experts say that the underground water that flows into the reactor and turbine basements is mostly rainwater, which can be reduced by covering most exposed dirt with asphalt […] "

    Sure..rainwater accounts for the tons of contaminated water entering the Pacific.

    It rains tons daily..
    Asphalt over saturated soil..brilliant!

  • Nick


    We are at an oops moment folks.

    The S has hit the fan.

    Game over.

    Restart in 700 million years.


  • Nick

    But Nick,

    you are being too depressed, time to get out and smell the roses.
    (roses are dead in december, duh)

    No, houston, we really really have a problem. There's one whole side of the planet contaminated beyond belief….

    I see something venting, I think it's fission shit of all sorts…

    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      That's uncanny I just heard the same words from my son. That I'm focused on the negative and should stop researching Fukushima but it thinks it is all exaggerated, if only that were the case. Okay I'm off to the flower shop to smell those funky looking roses.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      The roses are still in bloom where I live.

  • I have yet to see a single 'expert' discuss the Wigner effect on the reactor buildings and pools.

    The Wigner effect (named for its discoverer, E. P. Wigner), also known as the discomposition effect, is the displacement of atoms in a solid caused by neutron radiation. Any solid can be affected by the Wigner effect, but the effect is of most concern in neutron moderators, such as graphite, that are used to slow down fast neutrons. A neutron with a significant amount of energy will create a displacement cascade in a matrix via elastic collisions. For example a 1 MeV neutron striking graphite will create 900 displacements; however, not all displacements will create defects because some of the struck atoms will find and fill the vacancies that were either small pre-existing voids or vacancies newly formed by the other struck atoms…ya feel me so far?

    • Kashiko Kashiko

      Heavy shit but yes I follow you

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      'Morning, eyechix. Yes, have been wondering about the Wigner effect, too. What about everything that has come into contact with those melted out cores? The soil? The contaminated water? The reactors and reactor buildings?

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Mmmmn … was thinking along the lines of what can happen when irradiated substances cause other substances to become irradiated and create new radioactive isotopes. (Am not even sure I know the physics term for this.) Maybe I didn't understand your original comment?

  • Wigner con't: The atoms that do not find a vacancy come to rest in non-ideal locations; that is, not along the symmetrical lines of the lattice. These atoms are referred to as interstitial atoms, or simply interstitials. Because these atoms are not in the ideal location they have an energy associated with them, much like a ball at the top of a hill has gravitational potential energy. When large amounts of interstitials have accumulated they pose a risk of releasing all of their energy suddenly, creating a temperature spike. Sudden unplanned increases in temperature can present a large risk for certain types of nuclear reactors with low operating temperatures and were the indirect cause of the Windscale fire.

    • Discomposition in a solid (metal)
      Discomposition in a solid (metal)
      Discomposition in a solid (metal)
      Discomposition in a solid (metal)

      I think this is a really big reason why they rush now to empty 4 despite it having 100% fail rate if fuel has been compromised.

      Never mind the fact the brittle fuel is then being placed in another pool…with 400,000 fuel rods in it!

      I never played the game "Risk" but we are living it now in a way that I can not, from one day to another, would believe ever in my life was possible, let alone kept at bay from disrupting the fairy-tale they want you to believe is 'real life'.

      • nedlifromvermont

        Now we know why the elder Einstein, all photos of him, never really smiling and happy looking … He foresaw and foretold all this … remember his line … "thus we drift towards unparalleled catastrophe" …

        Prescience is a bitch (bastard) … takes away all the happy …

        And Fukushima is the "unparalleled catastrophe" Einstein foretold …

        Arnie called it "Chernobyl on steroids" … even if he did so with a goofy, shit-eating grin on his face …

        Maybe he would like to chime in and say the words "nuclear fission power was never a good idea, and it was never really necessary at all." Would like to hear that from a previous nuclear power industry insider.

        Isn't that why the Nuremberg "show trials" were held … to give these men a chance to show some "humanity", break down and cry, and say, "We should not have done this."

        They should have read and studied their Cicero … but that's all soft stuff, history … which if you do not learn from you are doomed to repeat etcetera, etcetera ad infinitum …


        • unincredulous unincredulous

          "Arnie called it 'Chernobyl on steroids' … even if he did so with a goofy, shit-eating grin on his face …"

          …as monkey – winged Nazi Japanese S.S Stormtroopers parachute through his roof…and Herr Sauron's gaze falls upon him…

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        And media sources are lying and saying the fuel is being moved to casks. Maybe eventually? But first being placed in the Common Pool, which IMO, is a disaster in the making.

    • Kashiko Kashiko

      Worrying…. I take it your major was physics? Nuclear physics?

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        No, but eyechix has scientific (professional) background, and is very well self-educated in this subject. Has gone from interest to consulting with many other experts in the subject, with whom she now works.

  • ruppert

    In a strange way I am envious of people that can just ignore the whole Fukushima situation and put their proverbial heads into the sand.

    What's going to happen is going to happen but I feel like a pitbull with a bone in it's mouth and just can't let go.

    I always find myself asking myself "who is the bigger fool"?

    • We could have minimized probably 75% or higher of our initial exposures if we had all STAYED INDOORS from March 18-July of 2011.

      But that would have caused a panic, run-on food supplies, closing of stock market, death of airlines, and pretty much all industry except online, school years for all students would have to be revamped, etc etc etc…but instead, they let babies and kids and pregnant women and EVERYONE else GET NUKED rather than destroy the worlds economies.

      Perhaps technology that could cause such in enormous disruption in Life, Inc should have never been implemented in the first place?
      It certainly shouldn't CONTINUE to be used, ANYWHERE, in light of this ongoing neverending nightmare.

      • Sickputer

        Eyechix typed these brilliant pixels of light: "We could have minimized probably 75% or higher of our initial exposures if we had all STAYED INDOORS from March 18-July of 2011."

        SP: I have often thought the same thing…and how many times did I hold my breath as I dashed 50 feet and back from my curbside mailbox. But working for a living took away many "safer" hours inside my hepa filter-equipped home.

        The wind and rain which was so welcome in years past now was scary, an ominous On The Beach scenario I awoke to day after day. Except in my new world there were very few people who felt the same, practically zero, even in family. I was labelled obsessed with Fukushima. I wear the label as an honor.

        I almost always had an umbrella as a new survival rule, much like the cardiac and double tap rules of Zombieland. The Tokyo Trots that virtually everyone around me had as loose bowels in the early spring of 2012 scared even me…I knew this was a very bad symptom for radiation poisoning.

        If my community was feeling those effects 6,000 miles downwind and partially protected by the Rockies…then there were people dropping dead closer to Ground Zero.

        The coverup by governments has been a Dr. Strangelove War Room scenario. But there have been cracks in their carefully crafted lies. The Internet was built to survive nuclear war. Can it survive crooked nucleorats? Maybe. They may fear shutting down or restricting the Internet will cause financial panic. It would.

      • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

        The least they could have done was told the hospitals so they could give the children iodine. We build up an amazing chunk of government to do just that over the course of 60-odd years and when it finally had its moment in the sun…they choked and hid their heads in the sand. Over profit to corporations and their owners.

        • Kashiko Kashiko

          In Japan the hospitals were instructed by the government NOT to give out iodine tablets to children… I've seen the official paper

    • SS4U SS4U

      ignorance is bliss

    • nedlifromvermont

      @ruppert: Agreed.

      But we know what we know, and honor dictates how we act.

      And so we gravitate to this web site to share our pain and our truths, in a safe place, while, all around us, Rome starts to catch on fire.

      Except Rome is now the northern hemisphere of planet Earth …

      which maybe really is flat, after all!!!

      peace to you all, my 'newser family!

  • Nikola Tesla said:

    "You will see man-made horrors beyond your comprehension…"

    Tesla right again.

  • ELEkid2013

    Drip, drip, drip. Everyday we learn more. A hard (radioactive) rains gonna fall. ANd it look at the counts today. 🙁 http://www.netc.com

    • Gasser Gasser

      Bob Dylan; A hard rain is a-gone fall



      Oh, where have you been, my blue eyed son?

      Oh, where have you been, my darling young one?

      I've stumbled around the sides of three exploded Nuclear reactors

      I've walked an crawled through their broken crooked pipe ways

      I've stepped in the middle of sizzling Plutonium puddles
I've been out in front of a dozen radioactive dead oceans

      I've seen ten thousand body's mounded in graveyards.

And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard

      As Actinide rain's are gonna fall.

      Oh, what did you see, my blurred eyed son?

      Oh, what did you see, my decaying young one?

I saw dying deformed baby's with doctors all around'em

      I saw a Freeway of weeds with nobody on it

      I saw wet black mould with Cesium that kept drippin’
I saw a room full of men with their Muller tubes a glowin'

      I saw many fuel racks all covered with explosion debris
I saw ten thousand NRC talkers whose tongues were all broken

      I saw contaminated food in hands and mouth of young children.

And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard

      As Bucky ball rain's are a fallen'.

      And what did you hear, my blind eye son?
And what did you hear, my fading young one?

      I heard sounds of reactor explosions, it roared out a warnin’
Heard the roar of a Tsunami, contaminating the whole world

      Heard sounds of spent fuel…

      • Gasser Gasser


Heard ten thousand screaming' and nobody listenin’
Heard !STOP THE NUKE! cry,
        I heard rich people laughin’
Heard pissed off Blanch who told truth from the gutter
Heard the sound of a Scientist who cried in an empty Lab.

And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard

        And Cesium rain's are now fallen'.

        Oh, who did you meet, my no eyed son?
Who did you meet, my darling dead one?

I met a deformed child beside a three head pony
I met a glowing blue man dragging a red dying doggie

I met a young woman whose body was burning
I met a tumored girl, she gave me a Krypton 85 rainbow
I met many men who's body's are Fukushima polluted 

        I met meny more who's minds are Dieichie diluted.

And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard
It's a Plutonium rain already a fallen’.


        • Gasser Gasser


          Oh, what'll you do now, my truth open blue eyed son?
Oh, what'll you do now, my darling young wisdom one?

I want to naturalize the radioactive rain that's a fallin'

          I'll replant to the depths of the worlds contaminated forest
Where good people are many and their hands are all clean

          Where the pellets of Plutonium are not polluting their waters

Where the home in the valley meets the organic prison
Where the executioner's face is no longer a reality
Where hunger is gone, where souls aren't forgotten

          Where clear is the color, where none is the number

          And I'll tell it and think it and speak it and breathe it
And reflect it on-line so all internet world can see it
Then I'll filter the oceans until It starts a cleansein'

          But I'll know my thoughts well before I start decidein’

And it's a new, it's a new, it's a new,
It's a new common sense reality a callin’ for us all

          ~Gasser Classic~

    • Mack Mack

      Welcome to Enenews, ELEkid2013.

  • Sol Man

    And, the good lord might have said, I have created people in my image. Love and take care of one another! I give you your beautiful home, the planet, earth. When you take care of it, it will take care of you. If you do not you will have to leave.

    I'm sure it is in some of those books.

    • ToBeExpected ToBeExpected

      Might have… ?? He said it alright and hundreds of times too. No human who ruins this planet will be let remain here indefinitely.. now that is good news is it not? And it's only in the one book… and that one is the world's best seller..


      • Sol Man

        I said might because I don't remember where it was written to take care of the earth and it will take care of you, exactly, or where humans will be shown the door if we do otherwise. It is too late for me to research this now.
        That nature will run her course is good news. It is probably the only way for earth to rid itself of this pox. I am beyond grief for the future.

  • Some interesting stuff on a parabolic increase in shark attacks in Hawaii, at the same time as Japan disaster flotsam is noted in the island chain.

    Yep, that whole destroy the food chain of the HOME PLANET's biggest ocean is always a bad move.


  • Socrates

    Lake Barrett is leveling with Congress? The truth should always be classified. "You can't handle the truth!" 2 1/2 years ago THEY couldn't handle the truth.

    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      THEY have never trusted us with real information: not 70 years ago during the Manhattan Project, not 50 years ago with Pacific and then Nevada testing. The citizens must not be allowed to know the truth behind the leaders' actions. We can't handle it, they tell themselves. It may be too late, but some of us now see through their lies and the reasons/

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The quotes from Lake Barrett..are from Sept 2011.
    Now he is an advisor to TEPCO.

    New Tepco Advisor Says Fukushima Leaks Not "Major Concern" as Radioactive Release Rises

    Sept 17 2013


    • nedlifromvermont

      Thank you Heart for the link!

      From the video, Horose of TepCo, "… and take appropriate measures as soon as possible."

      There's the rub: as soon as possible? Which is in fact never? Not very soon is it, Mr. Lake Barrett, Shill Extraordinnaire.

      This guy is slick. He would have made a fine deputy to Reinhard Heydrich … but Hey, H. Himmler did just as well.

      Plenty of Nazi style funstionaries to go around in our fascist, nuclear power wasteland, to shill for the NRC (Nazi Repubnofascist Crackpots)

      peace to you, 'newsers, while we may …

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "Quote: It needs to be explained better than it's being explained."
    Wordcraft..along with a long blinking of the eyes.

  • razzz razzz

    Maybe they mean the rainwater from the mountains travels and flows around the melts. Pave the mountains and prevent the runoff from carrying fallout from the forest trees and ground to the lakes and Pacific.

    The only reason they want to pave Daiichi over is so workers can still work there without dropping dead from radiation exposure.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    That's it!.."Grout the sea floor..pave the mountains"

  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    Have any of you ever watched

    "Aftermath – Population Zero" – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUqHECc5rPo

    That, if we're lucky is what our future would look like, at least for some of us, our population would have to drop back to below that of the European dark ages. But I'm sure that Fukushima will manage it.

    I actually hope that I will live long enough to see it happen, it's what mankind for the most part deserves.

    • byron byron

      Yes, watched Population Zero. 1/4 way thru, all Nukes melt down. They continue the show with something like, the radiation has been absorbed into the ground, so here are other things that would happen, pets going wild, etc. Did the people who wrote the show know about what we're going through now as just the very start of the process?
      At some point soon another one of these is going to begin, without end, to spew radiation. These old plants are at the end of theirs and our lifespans. The interval between failures will become shorter as they deteriorate to certain failure. Just keep driving cars over the bridge, since it hasn't failed yet. .
      Move along, nothing to see here. Maybe the US will also pass laws outlawing statements about the safety of food. (oops, they already did that). Maybe make sharing of any info about radiation information or effects will be against the law like Japan has done. Or, Gov make those of us who mention it to friends look silly by saying there is no immediate danger, please report anyone who says there is danger to the thought police..

  • rakingmuck

    I think its end of denial time here folks, not that there is much left. What could any international force fix? Too late. I agree. The coast of Japan is going to crumble – latest March. They have been giving us clues the whole time. Like yesterday announcing 70% of Japan contaminated. Leaking it out slowly so we can "take it'.

    US and West Coast toast latest March as well. I live here and working night and to get a job out of this country just to buy a little time. 12 weeks just seems a little short to wrap up ones life but its the truth. California is going away. Period.

    No petitions are going to do anything. Japan and the West Coast of the US and Canada were decided to be sacrifice zones a long tine ago. It is the nature of mankind to cling to hope. It is pointless now. So grieve, hug your loved ones and be glad you do not live in Japan or the West Coast – you have more time.

    • ToBeExpected ToBeExpected

      Sad what you say… but how true, the end of denial time. Now it's just a matter of watch and wait… much like they do when you first get diagnosed with a Lymphoma.. and they find a lymph node .. that's not what it oughta be… We'll watch n' wait and see if it gets any bigger… then there will be a plan b for you… but for this is there is just no plan b that humans can execute here.

    • Kashiko Kashiko

      I do live in Japan but out next month to the UK. Probably not much better but……

    • babbo dorian babbo dorian

      Fully agree with you…..raginmuck….
      Time to decide wisely our very very near future and of our beloved ones….
      Good luck….. we all will need it…..

  • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

    "Experts say that the underground water that flows into the reactor and turbine basements is mostly rainwater,"

    I understand now. So, the water that falls on the ground and soaks in tries to continue seeking a lower level and seeps into the bottom of the reactor buildings through assumed cracks. Kind of like a boat with a hole in it. But then, somehow, all that water pours back out after being contaminated, again trying to seek a lower level. Kind of like a cup of water with a hole in it.

    They sure do have some funny gravity over there in Japan…

  • invisible ELEphant in the room

    What the world needs now is sanity, sweet sanity
    It's one of the things that there's just too little of
    What the world needs now is sanity, sweet sanity,
    No not just for some but for everyone.

    Fukushima Denial and Suicide