Published: December 30th, 2011 at 12:59 pm ET
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Fire engulfs Russian nuclear sub, Associated Press, Dec. 29, 2011:
A massive fire engulfed a Russian nuclear submarine at an Arctic shipyard Thursday, but there has been no radiation leak, or injuries, officials said
h/t Anonymous tips
Published: December 30th, 2011 at 12:59 pm ET
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Reactors 1 2 and 3 on fire at fuku right now, but I can predict that all radiation will be blamed on the russians
Cue WWIII
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I don’t see fire on the Tepcocam. It’s just me, I never seem to see them.
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You have to look closely and at the right time.
Given that it’s easy to see that things are deteriorating day to day. I think it’s safe for you to assume fires are burning and make them prove they are not, rather than the other way around.
A little like a drug addict – you make them prove they are clean every day because they’ve proven they cannot be trusted.
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I agree with BandB. Haven’t seen the evidence to support these claims. Further discussion of this should be posted in the webcam discussion forum or general discussion forum. Let’s keep it on topic.
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What everyone seems to ignore.
We are all walking dead now.
Fukushima distributed an apocalypse. You cannot ignore the true data:
What I mean when I say that is: the 2800+ tons of nuclear fuel at fukushima represent a lethal and potentially apocalyptic contaminant for the internal poisoning of the whole human race. This would actually end the entire human race several times over…
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/22/fukushima-2000-atomic-bombs/
This already happened.
We are all in a theoretical line to our irradiated deaths.
Trillions of nuclear fuel pellets superheated alpha beta and gamma particles into vast amounts of gasses such as uranium dioxide, plutonium dioxide, cesium dioxide, iodine oxide, sulphur dioxide, chlorene dioxide, bismuth oxide.
These same gasses went aloft from sea to shiny sea. They embedded themselves into air currents ocean currents, and ground water supplies.
They distributed trillions upon googles of atomic particles into the ocean air and fresh water supply. However the main proportion fell into the pacific ocean.
This is your fate:
This is real! This isn’t photo shop its BAM!!!; ARGUE THAT! !!; THAT MY FRIEND IS HOW YOU ARE GOING TO DIE!!!;
Whole communities are engaging in tv time while blissfully unaware that the same food they are consuming is riddled with the materials that caused these malformations.
Did you Notice this from Dec 21st 2011?:
How about this July 21st 2001?
See the coincidence…
Mind boggling isn’t it…
The best lies are hidden right…
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The best lies are hidden right out in the open.
You probably didn’t under stand these maps:
But they have great meaning.
I.e. XENON IS A DECAY PRODUCT OF PLUTONIUM.
So THAT MEANS THAT A SHIT TON OF PLUTONIUM DID TURN INTO XENON.
THAT MEANS A SHIT TON OF PLUTONIUM WAS RELEASED FROM FUKUSHIMA!!!
Need more sources:
Report: 76 trillion becquerels of Plutonium-239 released from Fukushima — 23,000 times higher than previously announced
http://enenews.com/updated-report-76-trillion-becquerels-plutonium-239-released-fukushima-23000-times-higher-previously-announced
You see…
You did get the memo. No one need address you to these findings.It is your responsibility to know this.
That’s what im getting at. I am amazed that by now people are not rioting for governments to step in and do something.
Its completely out of fucking control!!!
So here is what I suggest.
Start talking about it as much as you can and inform others.
Heres the real pickle…
Up to 40 years to decommission Fukushima
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/21/up-to-40-years-to-decommission-fukushima
In three years time the entire Puget sound will be festered in tsunami debries. The radiation will be evenly dispersed around the entire united states west coast. From Alaska to California. Beach goers will be receiving lethal doses on holidays.
Oceanic Air currents will re distribute the same materials deeper and deeper into our states.
California’s wine crops, Oregon’s grass seeds, Washington’s apples. They will all become poison. All our land will become poison. But at deadlier, and deadlier levels…
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As of now spring will follow our nuclear winter. Many crops will soak-in the elevated radiotoxic snowfall this winter deeply corrupting their dna. These same crops will produce food for our entire nation. With the addition to taking in radioactive livestock, washing our clothes in contaminated water supplies… We will starve or be poisoned to death.
This is next spring.
Within three years time I am predicting a 30% decrease in human population for the entire nation of the united states.
I doubt I will be wrong.
WakeTheFuckUp
EMMY.
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rant/
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But, have a nice day everyone…
I’ve feared this were true from the very moment I saw the explosion of #3.
I have for months been trying to get some data to confirm or deny it.
All the data I’ve been able to gather seems like it confirms.
I guess I hope that we can somehow luckily dodge this bullet and shut these things down before another one flies.
It looks more and more, every day, like the murderers have won. Like the liars have won.
Have a good weekend folks…
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BTW I think Tacoma just called “checkmate”…
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Indeed I did james.
Indeed I did.
Once again I am tired of arnold gundersons (within the nuclear lobby tone).
This is an apocalypse.
All the data is there.
nothing refutes it.
Not one indication of control on site to date.
4 reactors.
Wake up.
Thousands of tepco employees dead.
Hospitals closing
sea populations receding.
It is only a matter of time until springs evaporation takes the contaminated oceanic current systems arial again.
Plants mutating. babies.
Highschoolers and children dropping dead of heart attacks.
Acute leukemias being detected in every prefecture in japan.
Global media disinformation campaigns. Raids on vitamin supply companies. Formations of thousands of fema camps.
LIES LIES LIES.
Manipulations.
It is indeed checkmate.
The jester that we fear has unsprung. And all along the mulberry bush we chase the weasle and plee for the event to be contained.
It will not be.
I am officially declaring this event an apocalypse.
Game over.
slinky down.
pop goes the weasel.
PROVE ME WRONG.
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If it is really the end, I can stop worrying because my struggles will be of no avail…
So, I will not accept that it is the end.
Our species may survive if we can get it together and learn to cooperate and act altruistically…
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Well things do get more exciting around here when Tacomagroove starts /ranting
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Well up here in Alaska its time to start drinking and enjoying the new year !!! Yeehawww,,,
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“Within three years time I am predicting a 30% decrease in human population for the entire nation of the united states.”
I doubt it. Seriously.
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you’ll have to admit that as of six months ago, Tacoma’s predictions have been closer to reality than any others.
At first I thought he/she was a crackpot chicken little. Now it’s starting to hit me.
As educated as I am of this thing – even I have trouble accepting those posts above. But I know I cannot challenge them.
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Neither can I – I take them as what they are – as a personal opinion which is respected.
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TG rendered me speechless because I know every bit is probably true. It’s staring us right in the face. She has taken us by our shoulders and SHOOK US VIOLENTLY cuz we need it. Outnow has warned of it too. WINTER/SPRING WILL BE BAD…and beyond? is BEYOND ANYONES IMAGINATION i’m afraid.
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http://digitaljournal.com/article/305386
http://naturalnews.com/031963_radiation_exposure.html
you didn’t get the memo then…
New revised epa limits will produce cancer in 1/4 of our population.
25% = 1/4th
The radiation levels in our country currently are considerably higher than these “newly revised safety limits”.
This clearly show’s that the data alone suggests a 25% decrease in population.
That is the bottom line.
So in addition to continued bio accumulation.
with the additional knowledge that: acute leukemia cause death in 70% of thew affected (within a ten year period)…
Thats all you really need to infer just how bad this is.
Once the main proportion of the nuclear fuel is riding our coasts. (Which will happen within the next three years). Our entire national food supply will be affected. (which it already is).
However. This is the bioaccumulation rate were talking about.
Were talking apples that register at 200cpm or more.
Grass seeds.
Milk
oranges
wine.
Our entire national food chain will be near deadly levels or beyond in three years. No over estimation there. (they currently indicate a 1 in 4 cancer rate).
(were currently past those levels).
We are going beyond the limitations of mankind.
With all due respect…
Its not that going beyond our biology is impossible.
Its that the very significance of this reality; is a reality without our existence.
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It’s going to be hard to sort out that caused from fallout, and that caused from GM food. GM food stands a good chance of reducing fertility enough within 30 years that humans will start dying out.
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Actually, Tacomagroove’s statement – as to the lethality of this series of events at Fuku – may appear ‘apocalyptic’. But I feel his projections are only off in their timeline prediction. We won’t be seeing such numbers within three years but within five years, the stats will become incontrovertible; as applied to Fuku.
Tacomagroove’s ‘rant’ obviously exhibits justified outrage at some-much incompetence; an incompetence that’s being demonstrated by most-every ‘professional’ who’s tasked with oversight and coverage. The only way these horrific numbers will be changed from those that are projected by Tacomagroove, is if it’s – actually – determined that quantity of radiological releases from Fuku were less than reported. I for one, have little confidence in those who should’ve been reporting the real numbers and fear any reports to the contrary will be more damage control.
To give some hint as to the epidemiology of radiological exposure-events as applied to large populations, we need to see the overall event as being represented by a bell-curve: As time progresses from the initial event, those most vulnerable – fetuses, babies, young children and some adults (with compromised immune systems) will be the first victims. As time progresses, you will begin to see mortality rates increase for those with less-developed physiology (young children) who’ve been exposed (ingested) to radiological toxins. These children will begin flooding the medical ‘industry’ within three-to-five years time, but won’t be counted as ‘radiation’ victims until statisticians can confirm causality (as was recently done with the 14K deaths of babies on the west coast). As time progresses, the mortality of young and middle-aged adults will begin to ramp-up to what will then be panic levels. From this point on, there will be no means of hiding the cause and the economic impact(s) will begin to overshadow what efforts could’ve been made to offer any means of…
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unfortunately the end of your comment has been cut off.
I am interested in this point you raise:
These children will begin flooding the medical ‘industry’ within three-to-five years time, but won’t be counted as ‘radiation’ victims until statisticians can confirm causality (as was recently done with the 14K deaths of babies on the west coast).
Are you saying there has been confirmation of the cause for the 14000 dead?
Please clarify and if you are please provide links supporting the confirmation.
Thank you very much, and I also believe your observations with respect to the timeline are more accurate than what Tacoma suggested, but I do thank Tacoma for her ( I believe its Emmy correct?) consistent portrayal of the gravity of the situation. An effort she has made, I believe, since day one.
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@Kevin [December 31, 2011 at 3:16 pm]:
regarding your inquiry as to the 14K, please see:
The paragraph’s purposely left trailing…
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REPEAT to @Kevin [December 31, 2011 at 3:16 pm]:
regarding your inquiry as to the 14K, please see:
http://enenews.com/md-infant-death-also-increased-in-bc-canada-corroborates-study-analyzing-post-fukushima-mortality-in-us-video
The paragraph’s purposely left trailing…
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Thanks for the clarification aftershock.
I did see and share the original ENENEWS post on the topic, but I originally understood that there was not confirmation. I will look again to see if there is something I missed.
Thanks again.
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How many pounds total of plutonium in Fukushima Daichi TOTAL?
What is the decay path from plutonium?
Is it direct to xenon?
What happens from there?
Doesn’t xenon turn back into other deadly radioactive substances once is it inhaled as a gas?
And so on, down the line of about fifty deadly radioactive substances?
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@AGreenRoad — you might be able to find some answers at http://www.nuclearcrimes.org — a wealth of information and analysis there.
Found these 2 interesting bits of info there:
“Plutonium – and virtually all non-noble gaseous radioisotopes – mostly didn’t leave Fukushima as lofted solid particles or on water-based steam but rather as steam itself: plutonium gas/vapor caused by the extreme heat of the melting cores or the overheated corium. Plutonium and strontium is still evaporating out of Fukushima and TEPCO continues to deceive the public with false statements and phony scientific explanations to cover up this truth.”
“Volatization is the main reason why Fukushima is still contaminating the air supply of the Northern Hemisphere.”
http://www.nuclearcrimes.org/fukushima.php
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I do not see xenon in the decay path…
http://www.ieer.org/ensec/no-3/puchange.html
Here is a blog about xenon; more than anyone probably wants to know…
http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/3057813
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http://www.nucleartourist.com/basics/xe135-1.htm
Xenon-135 is one of the many products produced from the fissioning of uranium, thorium, or plutonium nuclides. Xe135 is produced directly from fission and from the BETA decay of Tellurium-135, as shown below. The Xe135 subsequently beta decays to Cesium-135 then to Barium-135. The half-lives are shown in RED below the line.
There you are friend Xe-135 ‘right in the decay chain’ in ‘plutonium nuclides’.
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I agree mark.
‘Convection’ is the new method of ‘coolant circulation’.
Toxic deadly noble gases for everyone;)
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Agreed M i dont think 1/3 crit ill or dying 3 years out in US Euro China Korea um North Hemi is an exaggeration an certainly a call to action- but to do what zakly? Monkeys lit a piece of the sun in the hair of the earth and endless smakin at it dont seem to be doin much sooo whew Good news
we will survive not just as an expression of what we r currently are now woops 1
Step back and 3 to the right U kant kill us if Oui are DNA Hey man check out the animals in the offzones In cherrynoble -look at the fish look at the trees its cooler now that we werent there trashin the place
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Hi Tacomagroove
Even though I hope you are wrong, I don’t see how you can be.
How can this disaster turn out any other way, when it’s still spewing the MOX poison.
I know I have had a cough for months, and I don’t smoke. I could list what I have had, but I know what the cause is from.
This is a sad fact, we are all getting radiated.
Watch closely to what is happening to the mammals in the ocean.
How can their fate, escape us?
Radioactive Cesium Found In PLANKTON.
CLICK>>http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com/2011/10/because-of-fukushima-plankton-source-of.html
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Well, TG, even if we ignore all the many factual errors in your post, and even if the extreme events that you predict were to come true, just what exactly would you recommend that we do about it? I’m not sure that “when in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!” is the most effective approach. Relax, we are screwed, enjoy the day. It’s really gorgeous here, I’m going to sit outside with a book.
ps – Honey, I think your medication might be a bit subtherapeutic.
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I read the following on Wikipedia so I tend to disagree with Taco. rant. but I also try to maintain a positive attitude vs doom and gloom.”The “hot particle” theory in which a particle of plutonium dust radiates a localized spot of lung tissue has been tested and found false—such particles are more mobile than originally thought and toxicity is not measurably increased due to particulate form.[91]
However, when inhaled, plutonium can pass into the bloodstream. Once in the bloodstream, plutonium moves throughout the body and into the bones, liver, or other body organs. Plutonium that reaches body organs generally stays in the body for decades and continues to expose the surrounding tissue to radiation and thus may cause cancer.[95]
A commonly cited quote by Ralph Nader, states that a pound of plutonium dust spread into the atmosphere would be enough to kill 8 billion people. However, the math shows that one pound of plutonium could kill no more than 2 million people by inhalation. This makes the toxicity of plutonium roughly equivalent with that of nerve gas.[96]
Several populations of people who have been exposed to plutonium dust (e.g. people living down-wind of Nevada test sites, Hiroshima survivors, nuclear facility workers, and “terminally ill” patients injected with Pu in 1945–46 to study Pu metabolism) have been carefully followed and analyzed. These studies generally do not show especially high plutonium toxicity or plutonium-induced cancer results.[91] “There were about 25 workers from Los Alamos National Laboratory who inhaled a considerable amount of plutonium dust during the 1940′s; according to the hot-particle theory, each of them has a 99.5% chance of being dead from lung cancer by now, but there has not been a single lung cancer among them.”[96][97]
Plutonium has a metallic taste.[98
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Hi Moonshellblue. I wondered about the accuracy of some of the statements you quoted from that Wikipedia article, so I looked up the references listed. The assertion that inhaling plutonium doesn’t cause lung cancer seems to come from a Professor (emeritus) Cohen. This is what Wikipedia says about him:
“Professor Cohen has been a staunch opponent to the so called Linear no-threshold model (LNT) which postulates there exists no safe threshold for radiation exposure. His study (had the) controversial results that low levels of radiation can have beneficial health effects and reduce the risks of cancer.”
Among other expert panels, the World Health Organization’s International Agency for Research on Cancer discussed at length Cohen’s results then concluded:”The weight of evidence is that the ecological analyses of Cohen can be rejected.”
Sometimes fact-checking Wikipedia can be illuminating.
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Nice find, sandman. You can (should?) add that to Wiki yourself. Wiki is designed to allow good data to drive out the bad stuff.
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If I may quote Admin’s final request on his post, “Let’s keep it on topic”…. and Tacoma responds with a reply completely off-topic. Not one reference to the Russian sub fire that I could see (although my eyes do glaze over rapidly reading Tacoma’s posts).
Here’s a tip – ranting about an apocalypse leaves pretty much everyone with nowhere to go. But if you can convince people that their children or grandchildren could eventually get sick (and this possibility can be proved quite convincingly) they might actually get involved.
Tacoma I respect your anger and sympathise with it. But we need to appear moderate so as not to drive off potential allies. Unless of course you actually believe what you are saying, in which case what is the point of further action or discussion?
Standing by for the usual incoming ‘friendly’ fire.
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+1
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Well said.
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Wow! This sub must’ve got caught in one of those 15 nuclear explosions in the Gulf of Mexico that anne knows about.
LOL!.
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“no radiation leak, or injuries, officials said”
Sound familiar, somehow.
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Definitely true aigeezer. Red flags should go up anytime any government assures, without full civilian oversight, that there is “nothing to see here”, “no cause for concern” as non-transparent governments are not reliable sources of information for public consumption in what I call, the “retail reality”.
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hmm, I didn’t know that submarines were docked 200 feet above the water. It looks like an oil derrick from that video.
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This thing pales in significance compared to some of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sunken_nuclear_submarines
They’ve got sealed reactor cores sitting on the bottom of a corrosive ocean just waiting for the day they rot through and release their deadly contents into the ocean. Never talk about that, though, do they?
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I guess once Fukushima totals the Pacific they needed some insurance policies to wipe out the Atlantic, just in case by some miracle it survived.
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The Atlantic is already suffering as the oil makes it’s way from the GOM(BP oil spill) up the Atlantic seaboard..it’s seems TPTB…have already accomplished damaging all of our US coastline…
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Murmansk is at the Arctic Sea, so it’ll spread evenly over Atlantic and Pacific. It’s good to share, no?
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“Russia admits over 20,000 underwater radioactive waste objects”
http://enformable.com/2011/12/russia-admits-over-20000-underwater-radioactive-waste-sites/
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Dear Far: I had no idea that there were so many sunken nuclear subs. The one in the Kara Sea sounds especially unpleasant, shallow water, definite cooling accident…not good. I guess Atlantic seafood is now off the menu, as well. (the inconvenience of what we cannot eat now is the least of our worries, of course)Thank you very much for posting this.
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Exactly
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Some hours ago I read on German news that 7 memebers of staff were still onboard, checking temp and rad levels.
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“All gauges normal, sir, but my face has melted.”
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ugh
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LOL!
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Is it unbelievable to see this one single article, and know that something 10,000,000,000,000,000 times as bad has been going on for 9 months and hasn’t ever been reported?
a nuclear submarine has about 1/4 ton of nuclear fuel onboard. Fukushima has several hundred tons of fuel burning right now.
I’m truly awed at how stupid the MSM is…
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Nope, not stupid. They can now say “look, we had this terrible fire and still avoided any reactor releases! How can you say nuclear isn’t safe?” It is truly inspired media manipulation. If they only put 1/10th the effort into containment, they might have actually accomplished something by now.
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Agreed again…we’re being played like a fiddle. Pied Piper style.
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But hey, this Sub is Russian and Russians are evil by definition. Their nuclear technology is unsafe to the bone!!111!!!
While the others are clean, good and soooo safe!
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tomb: I like sarc. at times. To add, Yeah the Russians, who had arguably the very best grade school educational system on the planet at least through 1989, make inferior military hardware, infrastructure and material compared to NATO, the oceans are safe because they’re so enormous, they’ll totally dilute the products of any number of melted down nuclear cores. Of course, being militaries, covert orgs, multinational corporations, they’ll empower the public with transparent good-will sharing of all information we need to make decisions about whether or not to undermine and terminate the extant systems…(all sarc., forgive me) lol
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Dear James: Or, at Fukushima Dai Ichi, there may not only be several hundred tons of corium, but there is the potential for multiple thousands of tons if the common spent fuel pool somehow melts down.
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Good reminder – I’m certainly well aware of the CSFP
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I don’t think that is a cooking galley fire !
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Dr. Agreed. I don’t think it’s a foam fire either. How would the foam be ignited? I ask myself. Faulty wiring I guess. There’s lots of plausible excusey wiggle room in this one so far. It’ll be interesting to see what leaks out, uh, in terms of information.
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seriously why are they shooting water up into the air onto a platform which is high above the water, when a submarine sits low in the water?
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It’s in a dock, not in the water
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A 200 foot high dock? Look at water shooting up in a high arc from the firehoses.
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A dry dock has high walls. Maybe that’s why.
Or Photoshop??
*sorry
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Definitely not a dry dock.
You drive the boat into a dry dock and pump out the water – it’s below sea level.
Pardon my skepticism on what I see – I seem to have been bombarded with 10,000.000.000.000 lies about things nuclear recently, and I’m under the influence of hot particles.
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There are dry docks which are above sea level.
Look at the pics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drydock#Floating
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Its in a dry dock like b&b said. Probably for a nuclear reactor complex overhaul. Or RCOH. Reactor complex overhaul.
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More here. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/31/world/europe/details-of-russian-submarine-disaster-emerge.html
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Maybe they’re hoping to keep the radiation from getting into the jet steam!
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As far as I know, those nuclear submarines are completely mantled in a sort of micro-pore foam stuff to allow them to sneak under the radar. Apparently this stuff has caught fire, as it normally doesn’t have to be fireproof (for obvious reasons).
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Correct. The fire is not inside the submarine, it is outside of the steel hull. This is why they keep personnel in it.
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Let’s hope that’s true (that it’s outside the steel hull).
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There have been instances, in Russia, where reactors, after being removed from the ship/sub have gone critical. This may be the case. The reactor may be suspended above the sub and burning.
Or not. Just a bit of unnecessary speculation.
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That seems credible, B&B. Thanks!
Are we guessing that the inner hull can resist heat transfer enough to keep the crew safe inside?… Could well be, if it can insulate against Arctic waters. Breathing systems would be sealed if hatches were sealed. Batteries could keep everything going without engines or shorepower…
I’m starting to think they may be telling the truth about crew active inside, no radiation issues, and so on. The video made that seem impossible at first glance.
I can’t resist adding that in the present climate of mistrust of all things nuclear… it may still be spin.
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Many Russian submarines have a doulbe hull. Between the hulls may be a distance of several meters, the space inbetween again filled with isolating foam.
This helps them resist artic water as well as nearby explosions. And it isolates sound to make them very difficult to locate.
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extinguished, they say
http://www.keyc.tv/story/16418725/fire-on-russia-nuclear-submarine-extinguished
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…oooh..foam stuff..that has to nice and toxic….
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New Tweet look at this pic!
http://www.rightnow.io/breaking-news/japan-fukushima-tokyo_bn_1325237760594.html
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But there was no release of radiation ….
How many times have we heard that mantra repeated?
Roit!
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They just said that on November 22, 2011 about TMI. Seems like they always say that or “it was the amount of 2 chest x-rays, etc.” Things that make ya go hmm.
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Gee, I wonder why they had to hose the submarine from so far away. I also wonder why the sub eventually had to be submerged to extinguish the fire. Does this sound familiar, the drowning of a nuclear reactor?
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Dear Pallas, I would think that the site is not accessible too easily with the firetrucks, and I think there were also highly toxic fumes from the burning foam mantling…
I don’t know, hopefully they really managed to stop the fire & noone died…
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934 Bq/Kg from bear meat in Tochigi
As a result, 934 Bq They Measured / Kg from Bear Meat, 351 Bq / Kg from Deer, 234 Bq / Kg from Fish (rainbow trout and Yamame ), over 400 Bq / Kg from mushroom.
http://fukushima-diary.com/2011/12/934-bqkg-from-bear-meat-in-tochigi/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FukushimaDiary+%28Fukushima+Diary%29
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Sounds right. Higher on the food chain, higher Bq level (mushrooms excluded…they just seem to absorb all that radioactive shit). I think they call that bio-accumulation.
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The captain was arrested for driving while irradiated.
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LOL almost fell off my chair .. ^^
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Good one. lol
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if all these accidents are random and that is a big if..
in certain elite circles it must be seen as an early 2012 population control bonus.
what a sick world physically and morally.
how does one explain the many recent news items about secret government labs mutating different deadly versions of the flu virus hn51.
we have government controlled top secret military labs making this stuff that will kill 100s of millions.
then press releases are put out via friends in the bbc .
raising fears of possible terrorist use if data on it is published, experts said
There is a serious possibility of information being misused if the full genetic sequence of the mutated virus were to be published in open scientific literature, they said.
“There are areas of science where information needs to be controlled,” a scientist with the U.S. National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity said. “The most extreme examples are, for instance, how to make a nuclear weapon or any weapon that is going to be used primarily to kill people. The life sciences really haven’t encountered this situation before. It’s really a new age.”
if something is top secret and has been invented behind closed doors.
what is the agenda behind a press release and who is giving the press the information.
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Some of the marine life got the message – the whales are already back in Hawaii – over a month early – saw ‘em last week. No problems with the fish, turtles, dolphins or other wildlife other than the ‘usual’ runoff from GMO crops/fertilizers and pesticides into the reefs…
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might also be the water temp. Seems colder this year here = even colder up north, which might contribute to the whales making it down south here earlier. I feel so very sorry for our big (and smaller) friends ..
And yes, I agree with so many comments above, that with human means (of our current level of consciousness and technology) the environmental apocalypse on many ends is NOT solvable anymore – 5 minutes past the hour .. we ARE now dependent on some kind of miracle (well actually miracleS). Since 2012 will be ‘the end of the world as we know it’, let’s hope and pray we qualify for a turn to the better asap ..
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I have been lurking here at ENE News off and on…sometimes trying to get back to whatever normal might be; sometimes looking directly into the horror before us. I honor all of you who have done so much on so many threads to educate me and others about our dire situation.
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If you Google “russian submarine arctic” you will find fairly thorough coverage of the topic of this thread – the Internet at its best, perhaps.
If you Google “russian ship antarctic” you will find fairly thorough coverage of a different story, namely a fishing boat that got in trouble and was repaired – again, perhaps the Internet at its best.
I watch CNN fairly regularly (not for news, but rather to see what the spin du jour might be). CNN covered the fishing boat story. They covered it lightly, but they did not ignore it. So far, to the best of my knowledge, they have not said a word about the submarine story!
This pattern is typical. What they find to be news is not what “we” find to be news. We tend to think they are doing bad things, such as cover-ups or industry favoritism, and perhaps they are.
The explanation may be less sinister though. Some years ago I found evidence of political dirty tricks and called a newspaper editor friend to give him my “scoop”. He amazed me by saying “a story of political corruption in your area is not news”. From his point of view, it was routine – it wouldn’t sell newspapers.
So… I’m left thinking that it doesn’t matter whether mainstream media are doing what they do for innocent reasons or because of some evil conspiracy with the nuke industry. I will just treat them as irrelevant to my needs and I will get my news elsewhere. If enough people do that, the msm will evolve or perish.
Suggestion to self and others: whenever we post something on an Enenews thread (such as this one), let’s be sure we cover the topic better than CNN does.
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Burning Russian Nuke submarine, the blue color of the fire–is that ionized air? Blue is a color we see a lot of in radioactive releases…just saying..
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Fire finally out in Russian sub
http://www.adn.com/2011/12/29/2237344/no-radiation-threat-in-fire-on.html
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That will teach those terrorists to try to hijack a nuclear sub. Terrorists don’t understand the nature of a self-destruct button.
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