AP: Nuclear reactor reportedly damaged by quake — Sources: “Long cracks have appeared in at least one section of structure”

Published: June 4th, 2013 at 1:23 pm ET
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Title: Iran’s Reactor Said Damaged by Quakes
Source: AP
Author: George Jahn
Date: June 4, 2013

Diplomats say countries monitoring Iran’s nuclear program have picked up information that the country’s only power-producing nuclear reactor was damaged by one or more recent earthquakes.

Two diplomats say long cracks have appeared in at least one section of the structure.

They demanded anonymity Tuesday because they are not authorized to divulge confidential information. [...]

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156 comments to AP: Nuclear reactor reportedly damaged by quake — Sources: “Long cracks have appeared in at least one section of structure”

  • ftlt

    Just Great!!!! They will be forced to use it by the criminal sanctions, we are imposing on them…


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    • Jay

      Apperantly allah was of NO inspiration to Iranians , their luck of wisdom is equal to that of Japanese and the rest of the nuclear club , including the voters/taxpayers .

      LOOK on the relief map of Iran , all wrinkled up from the EARTH moving like waves while compressed . You say that's Stable ground good to built a nuclear reactor ?? You mean , as a scientist/engineer you believe that reinforced military grade concrete is TOUGHER than an Earth Quake ??? gwad bless !


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  • VanneV anne

    “But Iran insists the plant is technically sound and built to withstand all but the largest earthquakes unscathed….
    “IAEA chief Yukiya Amano suggested sending in experts after the quakes was a good idea, but an IAEA official, who also demanded anonymity because his information is confidential, said no such visits took place.
    “A moderate quake struck near Bushehr May 6, preceded by two more powerful temblors in April including one of 7.7 magnitude. Iranian officials say the Bushehr plant, south of Tehran, was built to withstand quakes up to magnitude 8….
    “Iran is located in a zone of tectonic compression where the Arabian plate is moving into the Eurasian plate, leaving more than 90 percent of the country crisscrossed by seismic fault lines….
    “Iran is not prone to tsunamis. But a severe earthquake alone can crack protective containment vessels that keep radioactivity inside reactors. Earthquakes can also knock out the power, crippling cooling systems that prevent reactors from overheating and possibly exploding.
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/apnewsbreak-irans-reactor-damaged-quakes-19321754?page=2#.Ua4_f9iwXPI


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    • We Not They Finally

      Just goes to show that just because the Japanese have learned nothing, then why would the Iranians? Or the Americans, for that matter? Part of what turned Arnie Gundersen around was the realization that this whole industry was "low risk, [but] high consequence" if things went south; and that those deadly consequences could not be fixed. OBVIOUSLY there is a great range of issues, but yes, it is moronic to build nuclear reactors [well, at all, but especially] on or near earthquake faults.


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    • ftlt

      Anne: Why would Iran ever trust the IAEA… It is a western industrial focused group…

      One that has been used as a tool of the war mongering Neo-Liberals in the past against other countries too – Iraq!!!..

      The IAEA is a bought and paid for outfit/tool used by and for the same border-less corpo-globalists that have brought us endless war for profit worldwide over and over … And have done so for the past 50 years without end… 10,000,000s have died in their resource wars globally…

      They are the same ones that run our government today..

      They control or have undue influence over almost every government in the world today…

      The IAEA are the bad guys!!!


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      • Trawling4Trolls

        "The IAEA is a bought and paid for outfit/tool used by and for the same border-less corpo-globalists .."

        The same globalists that approved of America's planned obsolescence problem being transferred to China's production.


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  • weeman

    You can not convince me that the Iranians are not using this facility to further there nuclear capability and that is not any different from any other nation that operate nuclear reactors weather they admit it or not.
    My main concern is what nation will not have a reactor in the near future and were will the deterrent then, we are going down a slippery slope that needs to be dealt with now and not after the fact.
    Considering all the consequences with waste and operation of reactors etc.i can see no benifits mankind and find it ludicrous.


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  • razzz razzz

    …Built to withstand an 8, my ass. That would be about 4 minutes of continuous violent shaking with pipes falling off the walls and incoming power lines damaged. Shades of Fukushima.

    A German pressure reactor design that was finished and operated by the Russians, cost Iran 3 billion euros. Been on the grid since late 2011 producing about 2% of their electricity.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Evidence that Iran has been hit by a HAARP Induced Earthquake Attack has surfaced in the past:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu3sV8LkzQM
    Aug 11, 2012 – Uploaded by PEREXUSREX's channel
    WW3 H.A.A.R.P Targeting Iran Nuclear Reactors with Earthquakes … They did it again …


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    • Jay

      PUN , if you believe that HARP can induce earthquakes :

      1) no longer I'll be reading your posts , unless you explain how HARP can 'induce' earthquakes

      2) if HARP 'works' how come Russia and China still function ??? Teasing ?


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Here is evidence that Turkey was hit by a perfect grid of shallow HAARP Induced Earthquakes in 2011, probably in a test of the weapon's targeting ability.
    http://www.colinandrews.net/EarthquakeGridPattern-Colin_Andrews.html
    Watch the VIDEO, showing discovery of the grid pattern just after the HAARP Test Earthquake Attack happened.

    "On October 8, 2011, I checked the latest earthquake activity around the shores of the Canary Islands following
    reports of growing concerns a major Volcano eruption might be imminent. What I witnessed (above) on the
    official European-Mediterranean Seismological Centre website was astounding. A pattern of epicenters which
    was totally bizarre, the like of which I have never seen before. A concise grid pattern of earthquake centers
    which surely can not be natural. I said I had have never seen them before, until that is just a few weeks later
    when my friend Dr. Mel Arici asked if I had I seen a you tube video showing an identical grid system of
    epicenters surrounding the latest major earthquake in Turkey (his homeland). That video is below."

    Obviously, natural earthquakes don't appear in a perfect grid pattern.
    The attackers have since perfected their technique in order to produce a single, sharp EQ followed by natural aftershocks in surrounding faultlines, that can target a specific installation such as a nuke plant.

    Here are photos of what a HAARP array looks like, plus a little info on the US facility.
    http://www


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    • irhologram

      Turkey is bad enough, but if the Canary Islands were targeted in an obvious HAARP "grid" in 2011, while the world held its breath that the entire side of an island would not fall into the sea, predicted by a Discovery/National Geographic channels' airing of an insurance company produced documentary, predicting that it would cause a 1000 foot tsunami, wiping out the entire Eastern seaboard of the U.S. Many blogs were following this and the fear was that El Hierro would erupt from the daily quakes. Sales of flood insurance skyrocketed. Commerce in the Canary Islands was at a standstill; the tourist industry shut down, and the tunnel connecting islands, I think…was closed, although possibly they were just projecting that, I can't now remember. I was on the East Coast of FL at the time, and was so concerned that every day I translated the El Hierro news using Bable Fish. Who is Collin Andrews? Is he a reliable source? So add the Canary Islands, Haiti, and the Chilaen quakes almost certainly to have been produced by HAARP-like facilities? There are some 12 ionospheric heaters throughout the world, i.e., one in Norway called Eiscat, Russia and China both have them, etc. while researching Eiscat, I found a cooperative effort with NASA was to study the ability to alter time using these huge frequency generators. But risking dumping 1/2 an island into the sea , killing dozens of millions on the Eastern seaboard is just totally sick.


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    • VanneV anne

      That grid is an example of deep earth tomography caused by sending bolts into the ground by an experimental drone.


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    • Jay

      PUN , the 'grid' pattern is All The evidence for HARP ??
      Have you heard of the Jesus faces on a bread toast ? Now , that's even Higher evidence of gwad just based on the Statistical possibilities , no ?

      Bye , bye PhillipUpNorth !


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Let's try this link, instead. Dutchsinse educated me on the development of the HAARP weapon, and links can probably still be found on his website:
    http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/#!/page/1


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Dutchsinse Link Page:
    http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/1earthquake-volcano-weather-radiation-links/

    This may take a while to load, but worth the patience.

    The fact that HAARP is being used now routinely to
    create, steer, and intensify storms in the US (that, BTW, are killing people),
    is apparently being intentionally overlooked by the MSM.
    The public just proceeds to bury their dead, and rebuild their homes, schools, and businesses.
    No crowds with pitchforks are surrounding HAARP antenna facilities at airports used to steer these storms?
    No private contractors or governmental agencies on the hotseat before House and Senate committees?
    (They would only claim that they are trying to steer their storms around major cities.
    With only an occasional Oops!). ;)
    No public outcry over HAARP murders being committed on a daily basis now?
    No UN speeches by the nations who have been the victims of HAARP Induced Earthquake Attacks?


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Google "haarp earthquake attack on turkey"
      For example:
      "A report received by Russian news sources from the Black Sea Fleet stated over the weekend on the "what does that mean" website that the United States attacked Turkey with one of its feared “Earthquake Weapons” (HAARP) in retaliation for that Eurasian nation’s massive invasion of Northern Iraq last week. According to the report, Russian monitoring stations in and around the Black Sea began monitoring a “rapid” heating of the ionosphere over the past 36 hours that culminated Sunday morning with a massive 7.3 magnitude earthquake striking eastern Turkey."
      http://hellasfrappe.blogspot.com/2011/10/haarp-strikes-turkey-after-iraq.html#.Ua9Id8u9KSM
      Amazing. What a world we live in! :)


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      • Trawling4Trolls

        It is amazing. It's also amazing that every big earthquake that ever occurred on this planet doubtless had ionospheric heating that preceded the quake, eons before the development of HAARP. It is also amazing that HAARP was developed to communicate with submarines, and no coincidence that Russia and China would have them, too.

        Earthquakes in Turkey are more than common, they're historical and guaranteed.

        You probably don't hear the militaries talk much about their HAARP installations because even those methods require coding.


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        • irhologram

          Try and go visit the HAARP facility (read: black ops funded Navy/NASA.) It's as "tight" as Area 51. Google increase in the number and size of earthquakes. At least consider what your own government and other governments have TOLD you they can do with these arrays. Look at the anomalous grid overlays on earthquake sites. HAARP was created to communicate with submarines? And they need, what is it, four square miles of antennae arrays in Alaska to do this? And at least 12 other locations around the world? Please think. Research. Read the research posted here, below, which its clear you haven't done. And spare yourself the embarrassment of shooting from the L(h)ip based on opinion and what you would rather think is true. I would rather not think its true, either. But that stance flies in the face of fact.


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          • Trawling4Trolls

            "Try and go visit the HAARP facility .. It's as "tight" as Area 51."
            It's tight because it's part of an integral national security installation. You don't get more integral than ICBM-capable subs as they are a guarantee that whoever asks for such retribution will surely get it.

            "At least consider what your own government and other governments have TOLD you they can do with these arrays."
            I don't mean to make extra work for you, but anyone claiming that these installations are themselves weapons would have to demonstrate a specific date and time to prove it was HAARP alone that was responsible for the event.

            "Look at the anomalous grid overlays on earthquake sites."
            I believe they are fabrications.

            "HAARP was created to communicate with submarines? And they need, what is it, four square miles of antennae arrays in Alaska to do this? And at least 12 other locations around the world?"
            The ionosphere is at a high elevation and is tenuous. Why not 4 miles as the ionosphere is at a considerable altitude? Atmospheric scientists will tell you the bulk of earth's atmosphere is the mesosphere, we inhabit the troposphere. The mesosphere is a very large volume. The
            inverse square relation applies here, too, I'm sure for strength of locality effect of ionospheric pumping. 12 locations does not surprise. And yes, I have thought about this.

            Do not underestimate the importance of coded transmissions to these people. Do not.


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            • irhologram

              I'd like to clarify to make sure we're not mixing apples and oranges in this thread. While HAARP "may" (I have no opinion) have been used to create the three small INLAND earthquakes (and not the ocean trench area where the alleged 9 EQ allegedly occurred), the quakes, and then the tsunami were likely "cover" for the sabotage INSIDE the reactor buildings (including building 4, which was only a storage facility), realizing that a hydrogen explosion is not possible and did NOT happen at 3 Mile Island. Israeli contractors infiltrated the units as security contractors and installed 500 pound cameras that looked like nuke "guns." I apologize for the wrong link in the story I asked you to go to earlier for before and after tsunami pix…which mysteriously jumped to another story on that site about UFOs and meteors. Go figure. I will find it and repost. For now, that Jim Stone story discusses an internal nuke, coupled with a stuxnet attack. He also posted a screen shot of the inland earthquakes, measuring in the 5s.


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            • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

              Very disappointed, Trawling4Trolls, to find that you are either one of the closed minded sheeple, or a disinformation troll, coming, finally, out from under the bridge. :(

              I cannot tell you how disappointed I am at this moment. Not just directed at you, Trawling4Trolls, but at ENEnews and ENEnewsers. So THIS is where you get off, ENEnewsers?

              So be it.
              Peace.
              Out.


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        • irhologram

          Re: EU Parliament restates 1999 resolution condemning use of HAARP to weaponize weather.

          On 8 – 9 April a conference was held at the European Parliament, under the title “Beyond Theories of Weather Modification – Civil Society against Geo-Engineering”. The conference reassessed a 1999 resolution and lack from both the sides of legislators and military to safeguard transparency and democratic control over classified programs, which affect entire populations without consent, democratic influence, or access to verifiable information and data. Christof Lehmann (nsnbc).

          NSNBC International EU member states governments covering up the obvious by silent complicity

          The conference began on 8 April, with an official screening of the documentary “Why in the World are they Spraying ?” of the US-American filmmaker Michael Murphy. (Chem spraying is used for HAARP reflectivity)

          The conference was held under the aegis of the parliamentary group “The Greens/European Free Alliance”, which is an alliance of European Green Parties and Liberal Parties.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "Russian intelligence analysts have long warned that the Americans “master plan” for the entire Middle East (some say the whole world) has been to partition the entire region back into its original tribal boundaries versus those currently existing drawn by the former British Empire in the aftermath of World War I that saw the defeat of the Ottoman Empire.
    "The success of this US “master plan” cannot be doubted as in the past 25 years alone they have succeeded in breaking apart the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq and now Libya, with plans currently in place to divide Turkey, Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia next."
    http://hellasfrappe.blogspot.com/2011/10/haarp-strikes-turkey-after-iraq.html#.Ua9Id8u9KSM

    This article has some typos, but is generally well written, and is a suitable introduction to HAARP Warefare, for those who are unfamiliar with this topic.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    For those who want to follow the development of HAARP Weather Control in depth, these links provide alpha to omega coverage of the topic:
    http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/want-to-know-about-weather-modification-haarp-vlf-hf-and-chemtrails-want-to-prove-it-to-a-non-believer-here-you-go/

    Many thanks to Dutchsinse for all the hard work over the past two-plus years. :)
    Peace!
    No nukes!


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    • jec jec

      Interesting articles on aspects of weather change and creating/modifying weather with electron magnetic devices(my simplistic explaination). Sure hope all these experiments are not causing the terrible weather/severe weather or earthquakes in unusual locations this year. Hard to believe anyone has developed the technology to that level, but scary to think someone WANTS to.


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  • irhologram

    "Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

    So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important." Sec. Of State Cohen April 28, 1997 http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674

    A top Duma political leader caused shock waves in a recent television interview when he warned that Russia could deploy an arsenal of new technology to destroy any part of the planet and kill over a hundred million people using secret weather weapons if the United States, the UN or Georgia tried to stop Russias entry into the WTO…. Vladimir Zhirinovsky…went off on a bizarre tangent after he was asked how Russia should treat countries like Georgia and the U.S. who try and block Russias entry into the World Trade Organization. Saying that the U.S. government…had no future and would collapse, Zhirinovsky cited Russias supremacy in space and stated that the country had,the money, resources, and new secret weapons. "With them we will destroy any part of the planet within 15 minutes,", he sensationally warned. Not an explosion, not a ray burst, not some kind of laser, not lightning, but a quiet… weapon… Cont.


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  • irhologram

    ….that whole continents will be put to sleep forever and that 120 million will die if anyone interfered with Russias claim on the Kuril Islands, which are the subject of a territorial dispute with Japan. The female presenter of the news program smirked as he made the comments, but Zhirinovskys manner was far from jovial. Zhirinovsky made reference to the recent tsunami in Japan, suggesting that the new weapons to which he refers are related to weather control technology, which has been intensely studied by both the U.S. and Russia since the 1950′s and is commonly used today. Threatening to annex Georgia completely, Zhirinovsky warned, And then there will be another tsunami, on the other side of the planet, in the Caucasus. Zhirinovskys reference to the Kuril Islands in connection with the devastating tsunami that hit Japan in March is a not so subtle suggestion that Russia had something to do with causing the natural disaster that killed thousands, led to the Fukushima crisis and threatened to derail Japans economic recovery. Zhirinovsky also warned of a coming third world war emerging from the current turmoil in the Middle East and North Africa that would lead to the collapse of current global institutions like the EU and the WTO and the rise of a new international order led by Russia. http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/International/18-May-2011/Secret-Weather-Weapons-can-kill-millions-warns-top-Russian-politician


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    • Trawling4Trolls

      .. and then this Zhirinovsky took his meds .. and calmed down?

      lol


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    • Insight

      China & Russia have joined forming the SCO to oppose Nato & destroy the USA; their perceived biggest threat to advancement in the future. Taiwan is claiming they own all water/resource rights to the South China Sea as does China. It is the future of all the South China sea island nations at stake & all are willing to go to war over it. India must have rights of passage to trade with Russia. Negotiations have been going on for years but late last year China said they were through discussing it, all must submit to Chinas rule.
      The ability to defend the US has had a major setback as China has stolen plans(recently..cyber attack) for our most ADVANCED jets, helicopters, ships and missile systems; a HUGE amount of data. It is estimated that stealing our technology has saved China about 25 years of research and development. They may not have enough time to replicate our machines but they certainly can sabotage the use of them.
      Obama is meeting with the president of China, Xi Jinping, to discuss issues including cybertheft of American intellectual property and military secrets. Obama and Xi are also expected to discuss North Korea, whose nuclear program is causing unease for both Presidents. The White House says that discussion of cybersecurity issues will be a central part of the summit.
      Russia is sending its sternest warning to the west against invading Syria by sending it’s Aircraft Carrier to join other warships in the Mediterranean. Russia also has a battleship in Cyprus.


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  • irhologram

    In his underground bestseller Angels Dont Play This HAARP, author Nick Begich summarizes the evidence that suggests HAARP is involved in weather control for nefarious purposes. Scientists at NASA have discovered A close link between electrical disturbances on the edge of our atmosphere and impending quakes on the ground below, which has led to claims that earthquakes are being artificially induced as a form of modern warfare by HAARP.

    See also http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/10/atlantic-quakes-could-trigger-mega-tsunami/


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    • Trawling4Trolls

      In this comment you are much more lucid.

      You surely already know the that electrical currents flow in the earth's crust, always have.

      If you consider the amount of energy released in large quakes and that effect upon those electrical currents you will begin to imagine ionospheric heating in the same large quakes.

      They've detected disturbances to ground currents in the San Andreas. I suppose HAARP is being used to toy with the San Andreas? Hardly. High voltage power lines affect ground currents.

      No emotion is required to imagine such a large scale effect.

      It is prodigiously large. It's physics.


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        agreed T4T. I'd add, the physics are not only complex but unknown. The electrical discharges within water masses could also exhibit what would be observed from space as a 'halo' effect. As the public explanation for HAARP was supposedly for ELF communications, any-other purpose is purely speculative. And regardless if such technology can be used to trigger geological events, the fact that nuclear power plants are so vulnerable is the real issue…


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        • VanneV anne

          There are many research papers published by Stanford University as to activity by HAARP. These are public and include projects that are more than just ELF communications. These are not speculation but research results being used today.


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        • Trawling4Trolls

          The Navy would have wanted a way to communicate with subs as radio waves do not survive in water, reportedly. They would have searched for some form of radiative transfer thru water. The Navy also tends to be weather conscious so at some point they noted some form as detectable, and must have paired it up with ionospheric activities. They then set about experimenting with ways to affect the ionosphere. They modulated it and turned it into a communication method. It is exotic but it's not Star Trek.

          I imagine it may be possible to affect weather with it.

          To cause earthquakes with it is obviously a joke for the gullible.


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    • VanneV anne

      Earthquakes are not for warfare, but are the result of deep earth tomagraphy by which HAARP searches for oil, gas, and precious metals.


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      • irhologram

        Unfortunately, your government has already told you we, and others DO have this capacity, and HAARP seems to be the only candidate that CAN. Please read entire discussion.


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        • VanneV anne

          HAARP is not just a single facility, but facilities all around the globe owned by many different countries. HAARP is used loosely as the name of ionospheric heaters, the first of which was owned by Russia, and called woodpecker. Incidentally, woodpecker was right next to Chernobyl. Was this a factor in the blowup and meltdown at Chernobyl?


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          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            that system anne, was used as an over-the-horizon early-warning radar system. It was nicknamed "woodpecker", as it resembled the trailing sound of a woodpecker. I used to listen-in on it (and other such 'anomalous' RF phenomena) back in the day. It is completely different from HAARP. Thanks for reminding me of woodpecker…


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            • Trawling4Trolls

              And over the horizon is for detection of cruise missiles, bouncing signals off the ionosphere to get backscatter.

              HAARP is some form of modulator.


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              • Jebus Jebus

                "HAARP is some form of modulator."

                Yep, all RF uses a carrier wave.

                It's the "wire" that carries the message.

                That part of HAARP is known.

                The messages that they have figured out, to send, is the mystery of it…


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            • VanneV anne

              Russian Woodpecker facility…
              June 13, 2010
              “…The interference was accordingly dubbed the Russian Woodpecker, …… The most powerful ionosphere heating ELF facilities (until HAARP…”
              http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=174830.0


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              • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                curious anne, how you reconcile NASA's disclosure of this (supposed) HAARP related phenomena? And explain why one would draw attention to something they'd want to cover-up, in the first place?


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                • VanneV anne

                  Curious, Aftershock, which article you are referring to as a NASA disclosure?


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                  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                    Well anne, supposedly NASA's reporting tsunami related phenomena that's being associated by others as possibly being related to HAARP activity. If this were the case, why then would NASA have even bothered to draw our attention to it?


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                    • VanneV anne

                      Do you have a link to an article? All I know is what I read on the internet. And I have no idea what motivates NASA.


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      that's the point anne. This thread (and others) were initiated by the suggestion that the tsunami was HAARP induced. As I've said long ago and numerous times before, I don't care if it's HAARP, aliens or enraged transvestites who caused these meltdowns. That they can and do occur is the essential issue.

                      BTW. Unbeknownst to the general public, NASA is not a civilian agency; it is an extension of the DOD. Which explains why few out here know what NASA's doing…


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                    • VanneV anne

                      I don't know what you are talking about. Where is there a suggesting that NASA caused the tsunami? There have been earthquakes and tsunamis for millions of years. NASA has not been around that long. Talking around in innuendo doesn't accomplish anything. This thread is about earthquakes which have been in Iran for millions of years.

                      The problem is that there should be no nuclear power plants, especially in earthquake country. Facking makes a problem worse, but the problem exists even without fracking.


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      not suggesting anne, NASA has anything to do with the tsunami. I'm pointing out that others are suggesting that HAARP was used to trigger the earthquake that caused the tsunami. Again, it's irrelevant what caused caused this catastrophe. That aftereffects are the issue. It could've been a disgruntled employee for all I care. It's the fact that an entire planet – let alone any geographic region – can be put in jeopardy, when these systems fail. That's the issue and the only issue…


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                    • VanneV anne

                      It was the earthquake that destroyed the cooling system pipes at Fukushima that caused the meltdowns. This is extremely relevant because these reactors should never have had MOX fuel, they shouldn't have been manufacturing weapons there, they should never have built there in the first place, and, after being built, they should have been decommissioned many years ago. The safety violations and false documentation should also have shut down the reactors.

                      You don't care, but the world and the nuclear industry should care.

                      Bushehr, the topic of this thread was a disaster waiting to happen because it was built by the Russians with shoddy construction methods, which was pointed out long before the cracks appeared.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      The next meltdown is not if, but when:

                      Ohi Incompatible with Proposed New Standards —- Sea Walls and Work Stations
                      “On 10 April, the Nuclear Regulatory Authority issued the draft of the new regulatory standards for nuclear power plants. The regulations are to take effect in July. Numerous facilities such an sea walls to protect from the largest estimated tsunami and development of work stations that can withstand earthquakes and radiation are being required. However, Ohi Nuclear Power Plant of Kansai Electric Power Company (KEPCO) (Ohi town, Fukui prefecture), the only nuclear power plant currently in operation, fails to meet many of the requirements at the time the new standards come into force. Questions remain as to how NRA commissioners will evaluate this situation. (Ayumu OMURA)…”
                      http://fukushima.greenaction-japan.org/

                      Is Armenia's Nuclear Plant the World's Most Dangerous?
                      http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2011/04/110412-most-dangerous-nuclear-plant-armenia/


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                    • VanneV anne

                      Obviously, the nuclear industry and governments are unable to regulate nuclear power plants. They are unable to shut down a dangerous nuclear power plant before catastrophe hits.


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      actually anne, once the meltdown threat of these systems was established, none of them should've been built. But that's what all this talk about HAARP causing the earthquake, is about. We're supposed to believe that if the preventative efforts are made, nuclear power can be made safe. It will never be safe on this planet…


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                    • VanneV anne

                      It is the nature of the earth and the nuclear chain reaction that renders nuclear power plants unsafe. If HAARP were never invented, the nuclear power plants would still be unsafe. Even if there were no earthquakes, nuclear power plants would still be unsafe. All radiation will kill, and it is impossible to contain all the radiation. It must be vented from nuclear power plants every day or the people inside would be killed. The venting outside kills people outside the nuclear power plant. Nuclear power plants are death machines. The uranium mines are death machines. The nuclear waste is a death machine wherever it exists.


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      thank you anne, for getting my point. There's nothing complicated about it at all. Under no circumstances is nuclear power to be considered safe for use within this planet's biosphere…


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            • VanneV anne

              Project Woodpecker
              “…PROJECT WOODPECKER pertains to the "Electron Cyclotron Resonance Heating Method" now being used to alter the earth's magnetic field—inorder to modify weather, create or trigger earthquakes and volcanoes, spread viruses, create the phenomenom known as "electromagnetic pulse", and, to modify behavior control among the populous. The HAARP (i.e. High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) transmitter site, that is located NE of Gakona, AK, is large enough to cover most of the Northern Hemisphere. It is however but one of other such sites (some of which are known as "Ionospheric Research Instruments") scattered around the world. And, many of them here in the U.S. are able to tie into the much smaller GWEN (i.e. Ground Wave Emergency Network) remotely controlled transmitter sites that have been built all over the U.S. in a grid pattern, with their antennas spaced about every 200 miles or so.

              "The original research concerning the "Electron Cyclotron Resonance Heating Method" was done by Nickola Tesla, and later expanded upon by not only Soviet scientists, but also by U.S. scientists, such as Bernard J. Eastland—a scientist who was associated with ARCO (Atlantic Richfield Oil Co.). ARCO has traditionally been controlled by members of the CFR (i.e. Council on Foreign Relations). Eastland, who was the "front man", now resides in TX.


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              • VanneV anne

                [cont.]
                He transferred the patent rights to APTI, Inc. (i.e. ARCO Power Technologies Industry, Inc.) in the late 1980s, which was a Los Angeles, CA subsidiary of ARCO. APTI, Inc. then sold out to "E-Systems" on June 10, 1994, which company has pretty much, over the years, been under the control and influence of the CIA. On April 3, 1995, "E-Systems" sold out to the still larger Raytheon Corp. I don't know what has happened, by way of "transfers" since that time.

                "The U.S. and the Soviet Union first began secret cooperation on world weather engineering in about 1971. On July 4, 1976, the Soviets began generating powerful electromagnetic transmissions, that were dubbed "The Russian Woodpecker" by western ham radio operators. On June 18, 1977, the US government OFFICIALLY became covert partners with the Soviets in these operations by sending them sophisticated scientific material and equipment for further research and development. The secret code name given US operations was Project Woodpecker. The Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory located at Livermore, CA was and is the main research center for US development of the Project. Covert funding for the Project was funneled through the CIA and the National Security Agency. The DOD and NASA have, of course, been cooperating in the Project from the beginning stages. …”
                http://rense.com/general61/wwodp.htm


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          • irhologram

            Yes, in Norway, it's called Eiscat…NASA//Navy/AF work hand in glove with them…we have Arcebo and a floating "ship"…but other countries like Russia and China's ionospheric heaters work independently of U.S intentions.


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  • irhologram

    So back to Phillupnorth's link of Colin Andrews' post showing the ground based grid pattern visible on Google earth that seems to match the grid pattern of detected grids in the Canary Islands (a warning, I believe…hostage taking, if you will indulge me), and another grid viewed in a screen shot of a grid on Turkey. Phillip, you are right on! Where are the pitchforks raising, angry citizens in protest of these completely mad governments, who routinely kill us and call it "natural"?


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  • irhologram

    LIVE VIDEO: Building collapse, authorities fear that as many as 10 people may be trapped: bit.ly/14wfMSt | pic.twitter.com/XZdwb7aN9T. Building "collapse"? Yeah, right. That sure LOOKS like a "collapse. Sarc.


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  • irhologram

    20+ blocks appear to be "collapsed" in Philadelpia. Phila. officials still asking: Avoid emerg perimeter around bldg collapse- 22nd & Market. bit.ly/11EUHmK pic.twitter.com/ghlSGLqylh


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  • irhologram

    Large area may just reflect condoning off for safety. While there were some reports that an explosion may have caused the collapse, Philadelphia police are currently saying that is unlikely. According to NBC 10 Philadelphia, the building next door to the collapse was under demolition. We shall see.


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  • irhologram

    Cordoning. Over zealous iPad again.


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  • irhologram

    NYACK, N.Y. (AP) – June 4, 2013 (WPVI) — A presumed natural gas explosion in a college building Tuesday blew out windows, sent a door sailing through the air and injured seven people, but authorities said none of the injuries were life-threatening.

    Gas rose to "explosive" levels – as high as 70 percent – in the manholes at Nyack College outside New York City, said Mike Donohue of Orange & Rockland Utilities. He said gas was assumed to be the cause of the blast, which happened shortly before noon and caused serious damage to the basement and first floor.


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  • irhologram

    Witnesses said they heard a loud rumbling sound immediately before the collapse.


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  • irhologram

    The building collapsed onto the Salvation Army Thrift Store next door with an ominous rumble, witnesses said.
    "You felt it shake," Jordan McLaughlin told CNN affiliate KYW. "There was people that actually fell over. People started screaming, they ran across the street. There was people inside the building, you heard them scream."
    He said he helped two people out of the building. Other bystanders, including construction workers, helped four or five others out in the moments after the collapse.
    Witness Ari Barker said he was in his office across the street when he heard "a rumbling, a very unusual sound." He rushed to the window to see a plume of dust rising from the debris.
    Another witness, Kate Slyman, said she felt the ground rumbling as the building collapsed.
    "The first thing that came to my mind was a terrorist attack," she said.


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  • irhologram

    At first blush, sounds like a sewer or natural gas-line explosion. But the intense rumble, reported by many beforehand seems odd, and I haven't seen any reference to gas oder.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    NASA "discovers" Japan EQ/Tsumani connection.
    Truly, the left hand known not what the right hand doeth.
    This is just too cool.
    Caught in the act.
    Badactors.
    http://www.thetruthbehindthescenes.org/2011/06/11/new-nasa-research-points-to-possible-haarp-connection-in-japan-earthquake-tsunami-and-did-the-dimona-dozen-murder-the-fukushima-50/


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  • Trawling4Trolls

    Next they'll be telling us the superheated ions produced by an infalling meteor are evidence the HAARP device is responsible in the ionosphere, that in fact the HAARP is 'controlling' the meteors as weapons. Maybe even 'calling them down' from solar orbit.

    Zhirinovsky, above, may have some insights. :)


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  • Personally I don't have the time to study Harp to have an opinion. But I do know Paul Hellyer former Minister of Defence believes in UFO's and said on the Alex Jones show that secret technology is in some cases 100 years ahead of what we know. I also know someone who was posted in US army stores during Vietnam and he says the technology the consumer is getting now he saw back then in the army,forty odd years ago. But earthquakes have happened for millenia without Harp the bottom line is Iran is in an earthquake zone. Harp or not is not the question but why does a country swimming in oil need to build a nuclear reactor? To further military goals. Blame America and Europe for meddling in Middle East affairs. Israel, apparently with Nato blessings, has a covert nuclear program. Obviously Iran is compelled to have its own nuclear program and to keep it secret. If the reactor was in full melt down I doubt Iran would report it but Nato has measuring tools to deduce meltdown. Would Nato report it? Any way you slice it nuclear power is a threat to all mankind. Part of the problem is nuclear power is entrenched in modern military tactics and strategies.
    Peace


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    Reading between the lines "Diplomats say countries monitoring Iran’s nuclear program have picked up information that the country’s only power-producing nuclear reactor was damaged by one or more recent earthquakes."

    I would suspect "picked up information" means radiation detected. "countries monitoring Iran’s nuclear program" means ctbto.


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    • irhologram

      Maybe from alleged sabotage in Jan. ? According to a source in the security forces protecting Fordow, an explosion on Monday at 11:30 a.m. Tehran time rocked the site, which is buried deep under a mountain and immune not only to airstrikes but to most bunker-buster bombs. The report of the blast came via Hamidreza Zakeri, formerly with the Islamic regime’s Ministry of Intelligence and National Security,

      The blast shook facilities within a radius of three miles. Security forces have enforced a no-traffic radius of 15 miles, and the Tehran-Qom highway was shut down for several hours after the blast, the source said. As of Wednesday afternoon, rescue workers had failed to reach the trapped personnel.

      The site, about 300 feet under a mountain, had two elevators which now are out of commission. One elevator descended about 240 feet and was used to reach centrifuge chambers. The other went to the bottom to carry heavy equipment and transfer yellow cake. One emergency staircase reaches the bottom of the site and another one was not complete. The source said the emergency exit southwest of the site is unreachable.

      The regime believes the blast was sabotage and the explosives could have reached the area disguised as equipment or in the yellow cake stock transferred to the site, the source said. The explosion occurred at the third centrifuge chambers, with the high-grade enriched uranium reserves below them.


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    • VanneV anne

      I thought I read that the info was from whistleblowers inside Iran.


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  • VanneV anne

    Every nuclear reactor is built with itw own internal seeds of destruction. Such is the nature of a nuclear reaction. There is no way to avoid this internal flaw. Couple this with the scrimping of construction costs, failure to decommission after 20 to 30 years of use, deception about failure of safety checks, putting MOX fuel in old reactors that should have been decommissioned and were never built for MOX in the first place, etc., and the internal seeds of destruction are increased exponentially.

    Meltdown and failure is not a matter of if, but only of when.

    Politicians and owners of nuclear facilities can't seem to have the intelligence to recognize that they are ensuring catastrophes which can never be corrected. No one or thing can live or exist in an uninhabitable world.

    They already have weapons that make nuclear weapons obsolete. It is insanity to keep producing plutonium, whether as nuclear waste or for weapons, or for space fuel.

    Someone please wake up.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    A Nuclear reactor is essentially a large collection of engineering design flaws.
    Zirconium cladded fuel assemblies that melt and burn, forming explosive vapors of zirconium and cesium.
    Zirconium cladded fuel assemblies that produce hydrogen during a meltdown.
    Spent fuel pools 100' above ground, requiring electricity to continuously pump cooling water.
    Reactors requiring electricity to continuously pump cooling water.
    Containment vessels that are too small to contain a meltdown.
    Control rooms which require electricity to energize guages and reactor controls.
    Torus wet wells that were added to suppress excess pressure, in basements built below the water table.
    Stack vents controlled by manual valves that can only be opened during an emergency by human workers.
    MOX fuel mixing plutonium with uranium, exceeding the aging reactor's design temperature.
    Cooling pumps placed at sea level in front of the generator building.
    Diesel backup generator not protected from potential tsunamis.
    Diesel fuel tanks placed at ground level, not protected from potential tsunamis.
    Control rods require electricity to scram the reactor.
    (This is by no means a complete list. To be continued.). :)


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      on the floor here Philip, with that "…essentially a large collection of engineering design flaws." It's true! Think back to the very first days when it was discovered that these systems could 'melt down'. You'd have thought someone would say "That's it! We're not going this way." But nooo! Some idiot in the back likely suggested "But sir! We can put a bucket of sand by the door."

      What a bunch of arrogant – self important – jerk offs…


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      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        Agreed, AFTERSHOCK, including our very own T4T!


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          thanks again Philip. Regarding T4T, I suspect he's (she's?) only in need of a little 'civilization'. Lots comes from other – less civilized – environs and find diplomacy entirely missing from their 'tool box'. I've noticed this 'phenomena' with others, as well; yet they only needed patience to acclimate to an international forum. Eventually, they discover we're a community which not only values truth but civil discourse, as well. (Besides, pissing contests are more-often-than-not, a big turn-off with the babes.) Finally, I must compliment you on your disciplined attitude. (Yes…I do a lot of side-line watching.) It's refreshing to see someone who knows better then to react to every passing 'challenge'…


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          • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

            Aftershock, it's so very nice to see that somebody "gets" what is going on here, and what I am trying to do here. :) And I try so hard to not talk (at leastly directly) with the trolls among us that try so hard to derail our efforts here. Many thanks, and have a great weekend! Peace. No Nukes.


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              I make a point Philip, of knowing who's-who out here. Equally important, I allocate some time for 'newbies' to find their 'sea legs'. It's about being inclusive; not only with those of like-mind but those we differ with, as well. What I don't tolerate is poisonous 'characters' whose only 'objective' is to undermine the truth. I'll admit I'm not privy to knowing the truth of it all, but I can quickly spot those who think they're 'crafty' at hiding the guiding light from others. Though none of us is likely to survive the horrors of this age, my goal is to see that we – all – have some kind of a chance. Given enough time, even the 'sellouts' will realize they've been sold to the butcher…


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    • Trawling4Trolls

      So Phil from the North can reason so clearly about nuclear reactors but HAARP brings a 'flip' of the mental processes?

      Perhaps Phil has a comment on something I'd seen by a commenter on ex-SKF once, something about MOX reactors producing some exotic neutrino effect or something with the result of degrading the bedrock beneath? Just wondering if I can elicit a 'flip' by request, conspira-theory upon demand?

      That was about the same time Jim Stone was being bandied about over there on ex-SKF.


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  • irhologram

    The winners, in terms of cheating death the longest, were the pesco-vegetarians, followed by vegans, and then the lacto-ovo-vegetarians. The vegetarian groups, on average, had a 12 percent lower risk of dying over the study period compared to meat eaters. The study participants were all members of the Seventh-Day Adventist church. New study just released: http://www.riseearth.com/2013/06/want-to-live-longer-eat-plant-based-diet.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+riseearth%2FKZKa+%28RiseEarth%29


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    All: When I have even mentioned here that Jim Stone has a working theory that Fukushima was the result of human action, rather then natural forces, and deserved our attention, I have been moderated. What's up, Admin., that you let obvious trolls, likely paid nuclear industry employees, mention "Jim Stone" without moderation?


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      There has also been mention of the fact that HAARP facilities were active in Japan (and perhaps elsewhere), in the days immediately prior to, and on, 311. Why? What was the mission?

      I picture ENEnews as a clearinghouse for all competing ideas on Fukushima. Let's put everything out right here on ENEnews. Let's examine all the evidence, pro and con. If we do this, every day, we seem to reach a group concensus on what is happening at Fukushima. And, more importantly, we reach consensus on what should be done about Fukushima.

      Some people hate this, the shills and trolls who seem to be a plague on this effort, who will do everything they can to keep such a concensus from forming, and will do anything in their power to introduce confusion and ridicule into the discussion, to diminish the impact of ENEnews. Our present batch isn't the first, nor will they be the last. Once these have been thoroughly discredited as the shills and trolls that they are, we will probably leave, only to return later with different names.
      Perhaps I should change my own handle to HAARPhil?


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Admin., meaning no disrespect by the above comments. I absolutely feel the tremendous effort required as you dance your way throught his website to keep it real, and to lessen the distractions (God, Spam, Trolls, etc.), that render so many websites out of control, so that nobody even bothers to use them anymore. ENEnews may not be the site we all want, but it is a fair site, hence vibrant and alive with new ideas. Peace. Many thanks for all you do.


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    • Au Au

      @PhiilupUpNorth, maybe because the last time J.S was mentioned was in 2011 and then there was a massive troll attack and I think enenews went down. Just guessing…seems to be a hot potato subject. Admin probably does not want to deal with that headache again. I dunno. I could be wrong.


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  • Philip, respectively, the problem with Haarp is that to many people it is a "way out there" concept. I personally have no time to form an informed opinion. Understanding radiation and keeping up with related stories is enough and the rest of my time is spent with other issues. Life in Vancouver is hard. But I say the following assuming Haarp is real and caused the earthquake which wrecked the Fukushima reactors.
    What we all are trying to accomplish is recognition that Fukushima nuclear disaster is real and a threat to everyone. If it really was caused by Haarp, so what? Doesn't change the fact that its a big mess that no one talks about. But for this site to embrace Haarp will only turn off a lot of people who find it hard to believe Fukushima hasn't already been fixed. For those people who blindly believe that if it was a problem then the government would tell us any mention of Haarp rightly or wrongly discredits this site and all the good work we do. There is enough mainstream news articles to show Fukushima is a real ongoing disaster. And as far as continuing to use nuclear power plants, just the financial argument alone is in a real way stopping further construction. To add Haarp into the mix is a distraction from what we are trying to do here which is to shut down nuclear energy and wake people up to the ongoing disaster which is Fukushima. Haarp is therefore a separate issue and should be discussed in the off topic discussion thread.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Mark:
      I have thought about little else but "HAARP" and "Fukushima" for the past 24 hours.
      Here is my conclusion:
      There were many HAARP installations throughout the world on 3/11/2011, other then the US array in Alaska, plus the US mobile ship based weapon array.
      There were many reports that HAARP would only be used for a variety of purposes:
      1. For deep sea communications with submarines.
      2. For weather modification.
      3. For warfare, including weather and earthquakes.
      When the US HAARP attack on Turkey occurred in October of 2011, millions of people on the Internet, all over the world, recognized this for what it was in real time, a M 7.3 manmade earthquake directed in a grid pattern by US HAARP Weapons against Turkey, probably in response for Turkey's massive invasion into the Kurdish area of Iraq, that had occurred at this time.
      Here is an image of the Earthquake Grid that hit Turkey, with unnatural shallow depths, with an unnatural linear grid of aftershocks, in October of 2011.
      http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/7411/screenshot2sz.png
      There are about a million other screen shots of this attack still on the internet, which I could have used.
      The point is that the US capability for weaponized HAARP in 2011, is well illustrated by the October, 2011, US attack on Turkey, was crude.
      If there was a March, 2011, attack on Japan, it must have been from a much more advanced HAARP Weapon than the US possessed at the time.


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      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        Irhologram put up a post yesterday quoting a Russian official actually admitting that Russia (not Israel or the US) had attacked Japan, using much more sophisticated HAARP weapons than the US weapons that were used later in the year on Turkey, which produced the tell tale grid pattern. The result was the tremendous loss of life from the tsunami of 3/11/2011, and the melt-through of three nuclear reactors at Fukushima. Shame on you, Russia.
        Enjoy your weekend, Trolls. :)


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        • irhologram

          No, he didn't quite say Russia did it. He said Russia Had the ABILITY to create tsunamis and that they would USE it on the U.S. if we continue to act unilaterally using HAARP without their involvement. That's what the diatribe was about. An open threat to the U.S. regarding our making up world agendas without the help of Russia.


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      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        Mark: Meaning no disrespect, and not implying that you are a Troll/Shill, (which I know you not to be). It was towards T4T and the other shills operating on this site at present, that my comments are directed. OK? :)


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      • VanneV anne

        No one attacked Turkey. The grid was a search for oil or precious metals.


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    • byron byron

      Thank you. I keep attempting to tell people to PLEASE visit ENENEWS.COM. It makes my task more difficult if they find off-topic HA..P junk in the threads. Just discredits the website. Everyone, please Report the H stuff as soon as you see it. Don't assume that someone else will do so.


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      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Byron, if people go to ENEnews looking for facts, what will they find? The latest headlines, and a bunch of blog too long to muddle through. Is it true that fukushima released the equivalent of approximately 100,000 Hiroshima bombs? I dont know, but it would make a powerful PERMANENT header, along with a small compendium of these mind boggling eye openers. If you removed every single HAARP post, its still unlikely your friends will read that Fukushima is equal to 10 Chernobyls (or whatever the figure is) or hypothyroidism is up to 28% higher on the west coast. How would you make ENEnews more effective for people dropping in?


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        • byron byron

          How make more effective? Arrange articles by topic. All Fukushima, All other reactors with problems, All Oil "Spill" related articles, All sinkhole articles, All fracking articles, All earthquake articles, Articles about measuring radiation (what it means, how to compare), Articles explaining what isotopes are and which ones are most dangerous. Scientific items to explain how reactors work and what can go wrong if cooling is lost (and the fact they release death as a part of normal operation). Small categories with only articles about that topic. I like the "Related Posts". Sort of expand that by category so we could read dozens of articles about Fukushima Fool Pools, etc. :)
          Also should be more photos for comparison before and after the disaster started.


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          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            byron, I like your idea of articles by topic.

            Do you like the idea of a small compendium of the juiciest factoids permanently and easily digestible? The people I send here dont learn whats happening, it takes weeks or months of sifting through posts. Then you may forget, or worse, starting posting


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  • Jay

    PUN , how long before HARP handlers will fire the weapon in a pattern that spells out 'HARP' ?! Thanks ! :)

    BTW , nobody knows about the HARP actions , the electromagnetic waves emitted from Alaska eluded everyone , even sattelites ! No ?


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    • irhologram

      No. You can see HAARP frequency in action here: haarpstatus.com. Click on North America. HAARP is gearing up on NEW England after gearing up on North Florida/Georgia 4 days ago, which coincidentally would possibly affect the path, turbulence, and intensity of tropical storm Andrea. But we should move the HAARP thread to Off-topic, Nonnuclear.


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  • irhologram

    Mark and Phillip. Yes, HAARP is off topic on a nuclear thread because there is no way possible to prove it in an individual case and the controversy the idea generates isn't useful. Phillip, your Jim Stone links, with his explanations of events sounding much more plausible than the official view…did not in any way involve HAARP. There were three inland earthquakes Stone says were the "trip wire" to initiate events that were waiting to go when an earthquake occurred…and yes, HAARP could have been involved, but that wasn't his inference. As to the trench from which he alleges the tsuanmi was generated, Stone believes it to have been a nuclear detonation that caused the tsunami. So his research doesn't include assessment of HAARP involvement, and it may have been too controversial to muddy the waters in suggesting it may have been involved. Nevertheless, others have said they've seen screenshots of HAARP activity clearly showing HAARP was "hot" over Japan immediately preceding the 3/11 earthquake. A useful discussion of HAARP would be in the preponderance of "coincidence," if you will, showing screen shots of HAARP activity predeeding the Haiti, Chile, Iran, and Japan, ect. earthquakes…but that debate would not be directly connected to discussions of nuclear power, without the kind of controversy Jim Stone may have been trying to avoid. So IMO HAARP SHOULD be discussed, as an instrument of weather/geo events, but on the non-nuclear thread.


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