AP: Many tubes found damaged at San Diego-area nuke plant — “Unusual” says NRC — Cause unknown — Radiation could have escaped… Developing

Published: February 1st, 2012 at 4:11 pm ET
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Title: Officials: Radiation could have escaped nuke plant
Source: Associated Press
Author: MICHAEL R. BLOOD
Date: 02/01/2012 11:57:52 AM PST

A tiny amount of radiation could have escaped into the atmosphere from a Southern California nuclear power plant after a water leak prompted operators to shut down the reactor as a precaution, officials said Wednesday.

Nuclear Regulatory Commission spokesman Victor Dricks said radioactive gas “could have” escaped the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station on the northern San Diego coast. [...]

The leak occurred in equipment that was installed in the plant in the fall of 2010. The leak occurred in one of thousands of tubes that carry radioactive water from the Unit 3 reactor.

However, the company has found damage to other tubes, Dricks said.

“The damage that they have found to many other tubes is unusual, and they are attempting to identify the reason,” Dricks said. [...]

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91 comments to AP: Many tubes found damaged at San Diego-area nuke plant — “Unusual” says NRC — Cause unknown — Radiation could have escaped… Developing

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Ugh. I need to go to bed now, but I’m afraid of tomorrow’s news.


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  • with all that pointing to j*p*n it seems other places are handled as mad as …


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  • or-well

    Spokespeople weighing in:
    Manfre, Alexander from the utility,
    Dricks from NRC.
    Waiting for someone from;
    Mayors’ Office
    Governors’ Office
    EPA
    All on message but with slightly conflicting details within their statements due to wording and the evolving situation.
    “I never said that.”
    “That was from an earlier statement.”
    “I’m giving you the latest information.”
    “I wasn’t informed of that at the time.”
    “That may have been someones mis-statement”
    “Refer to the press handout for details.”
    “Lets wait for the situation to resolve.”
    “That would be premature.”
    “Credible science doesn’t jump to conclusions.”
    “No one in a position to know has said that.”
    and
    “Actually Wolf/Anderson, I’m in North Dakota. But members of our team are working closely with the relevant Authorities.”


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  • selfsovereign

    With more than 8,000 pipes circulating cooling waters, those plumbing repairs should keep them offline (HOORAY!) for a little bit, seriously hope.

    But, how long (month?) does this reactor have to cool off before they can dissassemble the plumbing for the cooling system?
    I mean, if they x-ray the pipes in place to identify the bad ones, they can’t just ‘crack open a hot one’ and start replacing pipes, can they?

    For anyones great, great grandchildrens’ chance for a life worth living, Please Shut them ALL Down.


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  • bincbom

    The damage is in no way “unusual”. The reasons for the tube damage are:

    1. old age of the steam generators
    2. corrosive environment
    3. high temperature

    This is elementary materials science and engineering – tube degradation is to be expected.


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  • jec

    Since they all want to be “scientific”–lets not say “tiny” amount, let scientific DATA tell the story! How much radiation was released in gas, in other leaks, for how long? and WHAT kind of radiation was released? Tritium? Iodine 131, Cesium? In gas form or in contaminated water? Where is the “steam” going, where did it go? That kind of information. Lets not have a “Fukushima” in California. Oh..and if the plant operators have issues with releasing this kind of information, thats just too bad.


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    • You and me

      We be waiting

      We be waiting for some numbers

      Numbers are extinct

      Like the sphinx

      We might as well go out dating

      Cause the numbers

      They are locked in the bedroom

      Forever and ever, waiting


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    • KONDY KONDY

      Rate of water leakage was gauged at just over 30 gallons per hour. I don’t know about the gas emissions.


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Jec: Unfortunately, we will not get a speck of reliably reported information from the current sources without changing who controls the release of such information. We will be stuck extrapolating, which CAN and MUST work well enough for our purposes. The powers that be will not give us anything we don’t force them to give. The more the crisis grows, the more psychopathic and regressive their behavior, the more non-transparent, their information sharing becomes.


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  • Many ‘tubes’ found damaged.. uh huh… right on… I can hang with that dude…

    I was just going to look at some tube last night and my ol lady yelled at me, and then threw a shoe at the tube, damaging it.. Yea, I understand bro… a broken ‘tube’ is a bummer man..

    When you get those ‘tubes’ back on, invite me over and we will watch some surfers shooting a ‘tube’ and you can share some ‘tube’ with me, huh?

    Tube on man… tube on…


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  • entropy

    Why are all these plants having trouble now? Any relation? Any thoughts?


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      @entropy: combination of things are bringing these headlines to your attention: ongoing interest in Fukushima catastrophe / spontaneous dissemination of stories via the internet / age of NPP facilities / inadequate site planning of NPP facilities / inadequate maintenance of NPP facilities / inadequate followup on emerging safety protocols / inadequate training of technicians/operators/managers / inadequate emergency response protocols / imposition of monied power-brokers over the required safety expenditures.

      That’s about it…


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    • Well, if you take a fleet of cars with 250,000 miles on them… rough miles, not easy freeway miles.

      Then you get some authority to approve them to be driven ANOTHER 250,000 miles cause they look good to go… What would you expect?

      A car is one thing.. A nuclear power plant is another thing entirely, but they seem to be saying that all of these worn out, rusted hulks are going to go 110 MPH on a racetrack for another 250,000 miles with NO PROBLEMS..

      Well, maybe a few problems, but let’s just ‘relax’ the safety rules so they can operate ‘safely’ with many more accidental releases, leaks, bulges, bends, and a lot of rust..

      And if something does happen, do not talk about what is coming out… just ignore it all, cause it’s all invisible, so NO ONE is going to check up on you anyways..

      We got your back, Jack.. just keep that mulla moving.


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    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

      I think enenews has alot to do with this information being available to all. It is usually buried locally on page 7. Enenews has put it all in this great “folder” where we can see how this shit REALLY works. For instance, until enenews, I wasn’t aware that these plants are built with a relief valve so that they WILL leak! I was always under the impression that they were totally sealed units.
      The last 10 months have been a giant eye-opener for alot of us in alot of ways.


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    • GoFrodo

      Do these plants have good surveillance? You know, to spot potential reactor gremlins going around breaking pipes.


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    • GoFrodo

      Does Stuxnet fit in anywhere?


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      • truthseek truthseek

        Stuxnet prospect is high on my list for all of the nuclear events unfolding in a series all about the planet as certain religious bodies seem determined to bring on end of times Armageddon.


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    • @entropy
      Yes entropy. It is called increased disorder in everything with time. That includes the terrible vibrations caused by the surges of twisting moments applied by the cumulative effects of changes in water contents in the world’s dams. The dynamics are caused by forcing functions with applied power of the order of magnitude of giant nuclear explosions. The dance is too overwhelming. Imagine the total water contents of clusters of dams and the centre of gravity of such water masses where forces change at the rate of 100 to 1000 km/sec. The bending moments are constantly applied in circles all round the center of gravity wherever fulcra are offered to them. An impulse trigger at such a fulcrum causes an earthquake and the shock of the bending moment transfers itself to another point which fails. Now imagine a point in Cailfornia on the Pacific Rim where such an earthquake has occurred and the shock of the applied water moment transfers itself suddenly to San Onofre foundations and thence to the tubes which are set a vibrating. This would have happened at Banda Aceh, at Fukushima, at Bhuj or Kobe….Discuss the dynamik Intensely debate… in such people’s fora…with an unbiased equidistant equipoise…
      See http://earthquakescausedbydams.blogspot.com
      I calculated this surge, quake relation and again for the present hydrlogic year June 2011 to May 2012 as of Jan 26 2012 it is a favorable cause effect action reaction system.


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  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

    Most recent NRC report on Central-Eastern Seismic Characterization for Nuclear Facilities. You should grab these PDFs while they’re still available…

    http://www.ceus-ssc.com/project_report.html

    Synopsis: This site is being furnished to provide you the Central and Eastern United States Seismic Source Characterization (CEUS SSC) for Nuclear Facilities report and its appendices. This website will be updated at the end of April 2012 to provide additional information including the databases used to develop the CEUS SSC model and all documentation required in the Senior Seismic Hazard Analysis Committee (SSHAC) Level 3 assessment process.


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  • No way to check for ‘leaks’.. yea that is a bummer man.. Having to check all of those radiation meters and fill out all of those forms.

    I hate it when they make me carry around that radiation meter all over the plant.. First thing I do is ditch it, especially in case of an accident. I want to run fast, and that thing just slows me down and gets me worried with all of that beeping and chirping and stuff.. I threw one in the spent fuel pool. That shut it up.

    People do not want to know anyways… they are happy, happy, happy, if we just tell them everything is normal.. So that is what I do.. just say it is all normal… they are safe… no need to look at all of those warning beeps and fancy meters screaming ‘DANGER DANGER’.. I just buried one of those in the back forty.. I got tired of all that noise..

    Who cares how much radiation there is? Out of sight, out of mind. And besides, Ann Colter says more radiation is good for you.. good stuff, and allllll of it is FREEEEEEE.. Yipppeeee.

    Onwards xenon, strontium, plutonium, and Rudolph… Santa is bringing you some invisible presents tonight, right down the chimney alright.


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    • GoFrodo

      This is tragically hilarious.


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    • truthseek truthseek

      I am growing frustrated that people just do not want to know, keeping heads in the sand.


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      • GoFrodo

        It’s hard to watch. After a while, I’ve gotten to the point where I’m trying to empathize with them more and understand that part of it is just the engineered societal conditioning. The arrogant ones with enough education to know better (which seem to be a lot of who I see showing the ignorance) can be the hardest for me to understand, but I’m trying there too. Otherwise, I’ll just be mad all the time. lol


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  • Bones Bones

    At what rate do these “accidents” become usual? 4 or 5 meltdowns a week? lol


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    • selfsovereign

      Hi Bones,
      The frequency of these commercial reactor accidents is relentlessly stressful.
      On top of that, it makes me shudder to think how many times the military reactors have “Become ONE with our environment” during their evolution into the global bug bombs that deface this world like hemorrhoids on an otherwise lovely backside. Just too overwhelming.

      I hope some here laugh @ this redubbed classic star trek -’In the Hood’. No offense intended……….
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IG3Bj6VMXU&feature=related
      Peace


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  • hbjon hbjon

    My panic button broke on 3/11. San Diego now hmmmm? Yawn. Give me something I can paint a rosey picture about. Fort Calhoun was a nail biter. But gonna need something more substantial to get me to look over there.


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  • many moons

    Here they are trying to decide how tiny the leak is when Byron was venting away all kinds of radiation and they claim they don’t really know how much was released but they are sure it was a small amount..(I’m not following that logic) but they did say if it was a lot that turned off radiation counter would turn itself on and begin to sound an alarm….I don’t know why the national nightly news skipped over Byron, that plant have a definite radioactive release.
    Are they trying to distract us?


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    • GoFrodo

      Constant shell-game to keep us perpetually confused. I know I can’t keep track of all these ailing reactors. Good thing we have so many astute ones watching.


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Unstable MOX fuel may be the reason why these plants are exploding. Chris Busby and others have theorized that the MOX fuel explosions at Fukushima, so I googled and (cross post):

    San Onofre has MOX too? They have a “recycling” program:

    “TheEEI-WestinghousePlutonium Recycle Demonstration Program was conducted to examine the use of MOX fuel in the San Onofre PWR, Unit I, during cycles 2 and 3.”

    http://www.ornl.gov/~webworks/cpr/rpt/106763_.pdf

    just google “San Onofre Mox”

    Arto Lauri says that the unstable MOX caused massive build-up and venting at Fukushima long before the earthquake (see spikes on U.S. Radnet before 3/11), enenewser PattieB outlines how they had “plutonium-only fuel” “recycling” weapon project on Webcam thread…sounds similar to the pdf about San Onofre “examining” the use of MOX.
    Arto Laurie:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V71EclYZm2c


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      MOX in California? Arrrrgh! The insanity apparently knows no bounds.

      This is the plant of which Helen Caldicott told residents, “You’re living next to a cancer factory.”

      I wonder if the local residents are aware of this?


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    • anne anne

      MOX was part of the fuel assembly at Unit 3, Fukushima Daiichi, documented many times. Would someone please provide documentation for a “plutonium-only fuel”? Speculation doesn’t make for fact. Speculation that there was a weapons project at Fukushima Daiichi is only speculation unless there is some kind of documentation. Where was this project? How did it work? There is documentation that there are experimental reactors at Tokai-mura. Why would anyone want to use a plutonium-only fuel? Wouldn’t it be too unstable? Wouldn’t it be very expensive?


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    • James2

      Last thing I remember, I was
      Running for the door
      I had to find the passage back
      To the place I was before
      “relax,” said the night man,
      We are programmed to receive.
      You can checkout any time you like,
      But you can never leave!


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  • Alice Alice

    ‘The Lunatics have taken over the Asylum’ ~ Collide

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0imdMMIBToQ


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  • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

    Hottaters is right. “The insanity knows no bounds” when referring to nuclear power, and the presumptive powers that we all currently assent to manage it, even as it inevitably begins to fail. What needs to happen is that all world nuclear reactors, civilian and military must be shut down. All nuclear waste immediately begins the cooling process required prior to DRY CASK storage in the proper neutron inhibiting ally in the proper neutron inhibiting or inert gas. This is not going to happen within any system that doesn’t allow full full public control and transparency of all the information, every step of the way. This is not going to happen with ANY version of the power elite that runs the show currently. We’ve allowed right up to the edge of extinction, the greediest to increasingly run the show. We have to realize NOW, that this is wrong, absolutely, completely wrong.


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Remember that Dry-Cask storage is not profitable. Will greedy people assent to paying for it? They won’t because then there will be no more billionaires (the billionaires won’t be billionaires is what I mean to say) in any reason-based scenario that sees the system change enough to allow for the IMMEDIATE shut-down of all nuclear power plants and the immediate, with immediate initiation of the 7-yr.long fuel cooling process, production of very expensive Galladium alloy or other dry casks. These are the safest technology we have so far. Want safer? We are not going to be able to release the creativity of 7B humans if the richest, who do NOT, I guarantee you, consider you to be human, are allowed to remain in charge. If they’re allowed to remain in charge, they will kill you all, myself included meaning I’m in no better position than anyone else, rather than sacrifice their money or power. They will kill us all indirectly, as one hopes is the case now (intentional genocide is so very ugly), through neglect due to protection of their resources, despite the fact that money means NOTHING. Safer storage IS possible; but is it going to happen with GREED as the first priority in all world policy? Corporations are run from the top down, almost every one. This is called dictatorship no matter what retail reality of democratic institutions we’re fed as social construction. Look up the term, “corporatism”. Understand that the world is absolutely “corporatist” in human system terms at this time. The background philosophy beyond the core of GREED in the world leadership at this time is something known as “Structural Functionalism” (Talcott Parsons b.1908), which is the belief of all those in power that IN-equality is necessary to maintain order and is civilized. Unfortunately, for humans, a social species that naturally existed in nature with little to no hierarchy, inequality = extinction.


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @Pallas89juno

      +1000! Well said.


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      • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

        Dear NoPrevar: TYVM! :) I can’t remember if you’re in CA or not. Here is the petition by Ben Davis: http://californianuclearinitiative.com/cni-petition/ to shut down, immediately, the remaining two nuclear power stations (four reactors total) operating in California–San Onofre and Diablo Valley in SLO area. :) We can start gathering signatures or, if in a position, hire others to do so! This guy, Ben Davis, is amazing. Back in the late 1980s, he actually got a similar petition/ballot referendum drive going and we, the people, shut down two other nuclear reactors in California. Now there are only two nuke stations left in California and we can “get ‘er done” as they say in TX (a friend of mine says this, I’m not from TX–she’s progressive) to shut these down.


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        • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

          @Pallas89juno well said.

          Who determined that only those eligible to vote in California are able to sign the petition? As you know radiation knows no boundaries & will over time affect everyone around the world in some way. That means we are all qualified to say NO to ANY Nuclear plant anywhere in the world.


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          • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

            Dear Maiden: That’s an excellent point. I just learned, and haven’t had time to vette/verify, a project by the Sierra Club (usually the SC yuppy and in bed with corporations, working-within-the-system types [not enough time for that system reinforcing stupidity]) types of bourgie fools; BUT…apparently there is some movement/program associated with the Sierra Club, or one in the recent past, that was about a U.S. national program to get all nuclear power plants shut down. However, I don’t know the Sierra Club plan time frame. I have to look into this more and post more information about it; but I put it out there for others in the ENE community to research and vette, as well. Thank you very much for the excellent point.


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  • Collide; Comfortably Numb http://youtu.be/GeoSLbkJO2k

    Chill out dudes… man, this is getting is way too hairy and scary…

    These guys seriously need to take some chill pills; get a prescription for some ‘reality’ from the big Doc in the sky.

    or maybe get the ol lady to rub some of that numbing salve on the head… I recommend the brand; ‘justthefacts’.

    Seriously dudes, you guys in charge of these nuke plants need to start taking all of this down, down, down a few notches…

    Before we all get a case of terminal itchys and scratchys, if you know what I mean…

    Chilllllllllll


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  • San Onofre nuclear plant declares emergency

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/san-onofre-level-3-emergency.html

    Now a Level III Event; officially…

    I wonder if this will end up going much higher, like Fukushima did.


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  • The admit radiation was released.. but then they say this is just serious incident, with no local consequences?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Nuclear_Event_Scale

    I guess you can say anything you want, when no one is measuring anything, no one reporting anything, there is no transparency, everything is ‘secret’, no one is in charge of double checking, and there are no black boxes to tell anyone anything different.

    It may be in complete meltdown, and no one will know for another week, after millions of people are radiated and effectively dead, only years down the road.

    Same thing happened at TMI, and the whole thing just got buried and covered up.


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  • http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/3076809

    ‘Three Mile Island: Exposing the Government’s Cover Up of Our Most Infamous Nuclear Accident; People died — and are still dying — at Three Mile Island “ This article goes into some detail about all of the initial assurances of safety by regulators and industry, all of which turned out to be lies.
    http://www.alternet.org/health/134174

    ……………………………………………………………………………………..

    Three Mile Island: ‘They Say Nothing Happened’
    “Harvey Wasserman, co-author of Killing Our Own: The Disaster of America’s Experience With Atomic Radiation, stressed that the What Happened? account comes amid virtually complete inactivity by U.S. media in following up the Three Mile Island accident. (Wasserman has written about the aftermath of TMI for Harrowsmith—5-6/87—and other publications.)”

    They interview a lady who did door to door cancer surveys years after the accident, and she said that she found cancer cases AT EVERY HOUSE. This article also points out how the medical industry and the media served as the means to help cover up the whole disaster and all of the consequences of it.
    Same old, same old.. The pattern repeats itself… ad nauseum.. In Russia, at Chernobyl, at TMI, in the USA, and now in Japan, at Fukushima.
    Same old, same old, only getting worse, and bigger. http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=4021

    ……………………………………………………………………………………..

    ‘Investigation: Revelations about Three Mile Island disaster raise doubts over nuclear plant safety’

    The official govt report and NRC said that no one was hurt or killed by TMI, just like Fukushima. This report illustrates that the cancer rate of downwinders was increased by 80% over average citizens not exposed. Read the chilling reports of ‘downwinders’ who experienced high radiation dose signs, which were completely ignored and discounted by the nuclear industry. It sounds just like what is happening around Fukushima and also Chernobyl.
    http://www.southernstudies


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  • Cover ups and denials of any radiation leaks at Three Mile Island. http://youtu.be/Fmmdh8Xlbvg

    Rough transcript;

    There is NO ACCIDENT. It did not occur inside the reactor, it happened OUTSIDE The reactor.. Therefor it was not an accident, just a failure of a piece of machinery outside the reactor. There is no relationship between that and what is called a nuclear accident.

    No evacuation needed. Regulatory agencies did not call for leaving town. They said for people to ‘stay indoors’.

    All radiation releases were within ‘limits’. A little xenon was released. We are trying to keep everyone informed. We do not know if there will be any more uncontrolled emissions.

    Governor called for pregnant women and children to leave within a five mile radius of the plant; voluntary evacuation.

    There were severe communications problems.

    Conflicting statements came out of the utility, the governor and the NRC.

    Same old, same old, ad nauseum…

    Now where did I put my nausea pills… ????


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  • Sickputer

    Many moons ago I posted a link to a fracking vendor’s ad with a picture of the drilling tool head. The caption proudly proclaimed it used cesium-137 on the tool head. Amazing how versatile radioactive isotopes can be! Lubricate drilling bits, etc… And safe obviously because you can go swimming in a spent fuel pond without ingesting a single speck!


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Sick, or ingesting “a little” with no ill effects as the article above says, even more galling disinformation. That’s outrageous that C-137 is used for drill bits. I’m glad I’m an optimist and see even this nuclear disintegration game ender as a reason to be optimistic about ending the aberrant behaviors (in the larger sense) that brought us to this weird brink in history, because men and their toys unregulated for sanity and ecological sustainability is very arresting in all the wrong ways.


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