AP: ‘Tritium rain’ to result from disposal of Fukushima contaminated water? Expert: You may be interested to know radioactive rainfall occurs around nuclear plants during normal operations (VIDEO)

Published: December 17th, 2013 at 1:54 pm ET
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Associated Press, Dec. 3, 2013: Experts on [the Japan government’s contaminated water] panel also proposed establishing a special team to focus on how to deal with massive amounts of tritium, the only isotope that cannot be removed chemically by existing technology. […] U.S. officials evaporated tritium water at the Three Mile Island plant following the 1979 accident, but the method is not recommended for Fukushima, where there is too much and it is likely to come back as tritium rain.

In fact, the method has been recommended for Fukushima

Joonhong Ahn, professor in UC Berkeley’s nuclear engineering department: Water that’s been treated to remove radionuclides apart from tritium, which can’t be filtered out, can be evaporated […] “Amounts of tritium would be small, so that radioactivity that would be discharged into the atmosphere would be acceptably small” […] discharging low-level contaminated water at the Fukushima station into the sea may need to be used in addition or as an alternative to evaporation.

Arjun Makhijani, President of the Institute for Energy and Environmental Research, at the Community Symposium on Decommissioning San Onofre, Oct. 19, 2013 (26:45 in): You might also be interested to know that all nuclear power plants, that are of the variety of light water reactors, release tritium to the atmosphere, so you can expect radioactive rainfall around nuclear power plants. We have asked the NRC to require monitoring of rainfall — because people have private wells in many places – but they have refused to require it.

Watch Makhijani at the symposium here

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97 comments to AP: ‘Tritium rain’ to result from disposal of Fukushima contaminated water? Expert: You may be interested to know radioactive rainfall occurs around nuclear plants during normal operations (VIDEO)

  • Folks, leaving the planet is not an option.

    But as an additional approach, beyond just typing on some friendly minded blogs, here is your chance to speak directly to the NRC on the nuke waste issue. I want 200 people to drop a comment.

    DO IT TODAY

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2013/12/your-chance-to-officially-l

    At the bottom is a copy of my letter. Feel free to cut and paste excerpts from it if you wish. But don't send the same letter, the reviewers are hip to that type of "easy spam blast" and it discredits the original source.

  • Socrates

    Stock,

    Bad link.

    Please correct.

    Attended NRC presentation in Carlsbad, California. I have already submitted comments on the Generic EIS.

  • Proton

    what to do with all the tritium?

    Real easy – Tritium luminous key chains! Just don't send them to the U.S.A.; they were banned there as a "frivolous" use of a "strategic material". Just ship the tritium watches, that way we'll know what time it is at least. 3 for everybody should take care of the problem…

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      I think we should have another mission to the moon, where we install a giant, moon size analog clock with giant tritium hands. Might as well have a little fun.

    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      The commercial use of tritium is a valid consumer safety concern. In the past I've had numerous firearms that had tritium night sights installed on them,including the ones most frequently found in or on the nightstand in close proximity to where we slept(?)! I wonder what the statistics would reveal if a survey of Law Enforcement/military/security,etc. personnel who carried and often practiced with such tritium-sighted primary carry/duty and backup weapons? I'd bet there'd be a higher than normal incidence of related cancers noted in the results(?)! IMHO the nuke industry's "normal" operations & subsequent contamination coupled with 311 and all of the other "less significant"(?) so-called "accidents" and intentional releases would've already begun to bring scrutiny on the commercial,consumer uses & products such as the aforementioned luminous gun sights and smoke detectors,etc.,not to mention new policies implemented by the companies manufacturing such devices as well as significant changes withing the health care industry "if" any of them cared enough to take whatever responsible measures are necessary to reduce the levels of radiation emitted by products & procedures that may now pose more harm & risks than benefits in a post-311 world becoming more irradiated even as I type my closing words. There's SO much toxic,crap technology to research & respond to that it makes one's head spin these days!! 😐

      • HystErica HystErica

        Argh so from now on any time there's an exposure lawsuit against a deserving industry/company here, it will get thrown out because "How do we know this cancer wasn't caused by Fukushima, Your Honor?" And corporate lawyers will temporarily benefit from our slow collective death as they so often do…
        Sigh…

  • weeman

    The tritium problem is at a level in the USA that the ground water in the lower 48 states is so high, because the majority has already been through a nuclear reactor, that in the great wisdom of the NRC all future nuclear plants are to be constructed by the ocean? Anybody remember the percent in the 90 percent range.
    As general Bradley said nuts, full stop.

  • jec jec

    Guess next to dosimeters for air, we need will to test water –from well or river/lake sources. Here where a large population was drinking well water/aquafier right next to a nuclear plant, the county put in a special R/O system($$). Since it does not seem to change water soluble chemicals percentage (floride)..which is why they said they were putting it in..what gives? Might have been saline in the water..but it was not that high. Now we get R/o water from the river the plant outputs to? go figure!!!

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    NUCLEAR PLANTS RELEASE TRITIUM . . .

    Tritium causes cancer.

    You can't tell when it's entering your body. And it has.

    Man-made. Good for nothing. Not needed.

  • nemo

    It s common pratice to dump in the sea. What the problem ? The amount. In europe all plant are allowed to dump tritium. That why I don t eat fish since many year.

    • We Not They Finally

      There are international laws against dumping at sea. But the catch is "AT sea" — like from a ship. Like Areva in France, adjoining the English Channel, has been polluting that body of water DIRECTLY for decades now. "Lethal but legal."

      But there is also lots of illegal secret dumping (Russia prominent, but not only offender), as well as casks “legally” dumped in the ocean, but built to last only twenty years, and then guess what? No one comes back!!

      The BEST documentary on all that is “Secret Nuclear Waste: The Dark Side of Humanity,” available on youtube.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        The government had better stop loading debt on to future generations. There won't be that many more generations. When all that crap they dump starts leaking, it's bye-bye oceans. Of course, Fukushima will see to the demise of the Pacific Ocean.

    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      There was a documentary (on the Military Channel,I think(?)) the other day about a early-mid 1970's CIA/Navy project to recover a sunken Soviet nuclear submarine "Raising the K-129" to recover sensitive,classified Soviet sub equipment & rate their capabilities. Towards the end of the show they mentioned two stops they made during their return voyage with their "captured prize"-about 1/3rd of the Russian sub. The 1st stop mentioned described halting about 500 km's from Hawaii to jettison "un-needed radioactive matrials & wreckage debris",the 2nd stop was @ 100 km's from Pearl Harbor where USN sailors performed a military funeral/memorial service where they "buried the radioactive remains of the Soviet submariner's with full honors for their Cold War adversaries". It should be apparent to anyone by now that the Oceans have ALWAYS been considered a legitimate "dumping ground" for radioactive materials & waste. It's a damned shame that certain humanoid,"sub-species" have managed,or even been "allowed" to FUKu everything up so badly & never have to answer for their foul life until they're judged before their placement in the Afterlife! 🙁 IMO humanity & perhaps all earthly life's fate was sealed the second the Manhattan Project succeeded! Scientific "advances" since WW2 seem to only hold the promise of extinction and any generations that are born after TSHTF will have been set back into the Stone Age(?)!! 😐

  • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

    "Within 72 hours we were sick."

    Don't forget this as part of the mix: depleted uranium, each round 10 pounds of solid U-238 contaminated with plutonium, neptunium and anuresium) used on the Iraqi war field.

    This former Pentagon official, Dr. Doug Rokke, says the Gulf War was the most toxic war in history.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-VkpR-wka8&feature=youtu.be

    Talk by Dr. Doug Rokke, former head of the Pentagon's Depleted Uranium Project speaking about depleted uranium November 16, 2002 at University Baptist Church in Seattle.

    • harengus_acidophilus

      A new element (from wonderland)?

      "(…) U-238 contaminated with plutonium,
      neptunium and anuresium(…)"

      What is "anuresium"?

      h.

      • We Not They Finally

        Well, it's probably related to that common new element, "amnesium" [sarc], which they hope will come to dominate the pubic discourse. Wait! — it already has, you say? Why don't I remember exactly when it happened?

    • We Not They Finally

      And apparently, Bush Sr. (his war) profited directly through the Carlyle Group, for all the depleted uranium dumped on Iraq. It should have been illegal in the first place – unsure how they got around international treaties to not use nukes, especially on civilian populations. But that was the beginning of the horror story of open flagrant use of nuclear weapons on civilian populations with no recourse. Now women in Fallujah cannot bear children without high risk of deformities.

    • razzz razzz

      Dr. Caldicott refers to use of Depleted Uranium as a nuclear war.

    • deaddolphins simonhhh

      Phil…good post and thanks for the link

  • Pete

    I would think that there would be a fairly simple chemical test for t20, not necessarily radiologically speaking but if tritiated water is a different molecule, I would that would be easier to prove the water's make-up than the radiation in it.

    I would think the same thing about iodine, cant we figure out a simple test for iodine in the environment or water? Not testing for the radioactivity, just the chemical composition.

    • harengus_acidophilus

      "A simple chemical test"

      In the eyes of chemistry Tritium is the same as Hydrogen,
      every molecule of water contains two hydrogen atoms.

      Useless.

      h.

      • razzz razzz

        "In the eyes of chemistry Tritium is the same as Hydrogen,
        every molecule of water contains two hydrogen atoms."

        Except hydrogen is stable and doesn't decay away like radioactive Tritium does sending out Beta rays for more than 120 years.

        Tritiated water can be steamed or distilled to release Tritium but most likely would recombine with water. The problem is capturing Tritium, which can be done but is expensive.

        [I know what you are thinking, Tritaiated water is radioactive water. If water is radioactive, it is not water, per se]

        • harengus_acidophilus

          Don't like precision?

          "Except hydrogen is stable and doesn't decay away
          like radioactive Tritium does …"

          I've had refered to chemical properties,
          but radioactivity is a matter of physics.

          "… sending out Beta rays for more than 120 years."

          Tritium has a half life of 12,32 years,
          after 120 years there is still 1‰ left.
          I don't like this "ten times half life and vanished"-idea.
          It's mathematical incorrect. We should not argue in this style.

          h.

    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      @Pete: they do have a test to determine the presence and quantity of Tritium within water. Unfortunately, it requires "…liquid scintillation counting of the tritium beta particle activity…", which doubtless involves the use of advanced electronic signal processing circuitry…

      see: Standard Test Method for Tritium in Drinking Water

      http://www.astm.org/Standards/D4107.htm

      also see:

      http://www.epa.gov/radiation/radionuclides/tritium.html

      and:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium

    • We Not They Finally

      Pete, a good SECONDARY test for radioactive iodine in your area is to go get a simple blood test for TSH — thyroid stimulating hormone. It's supposed to read between 3 and 4. Low. If it's higher, it means that the hormone has to work harder because the thyroid is getting damaged.

      Husband soared up to a reading of 24[!] after the initial plume from Fukushima. Fortunately, it was corrected with a wonderful product called Iodoral, which is potassium iodide and something else. Fortify yourself with that and the radioactive iodine cannot take hold of your thyroid.

      In Japan, they needed to get immediate potassium iodide pills to the population, to avert what is now becoming a horrifying epidemic of thyroid cancer. Each pill would have cost 10 cents, if that.

      Of course, that would have just been to protect against the initial fissioning. There may be new I-131 in the air all the time, for all we know. But if you take periodic blood tests for TSH, you'll at least have some idea.

      • jump-ball jump-ball

        As I continue to remind, because I believe the time is soon approaching when newsers, their families and friends, may benefit from the ability to order up their own lab tests w/o paying for the doctor visit, and then facing the probable refusal, you can order up and pay for online your own TSH test, in this example, print the lab order and take it to any LabCorp, give the draw, and get the results by email in 3-4 days, for $44.99:

        http://www.privatemdlabs.com/wishlist.php?action=add&tid=459

        OR, I now see another private lab service, MDLabTests.c, offering the same TSH test for $34.92:

        http://gads.mdlabtests.com/diabetes-tests/md982524-thyroid-stimulating-hormone-tsh.html?keyword=tsh

        When thyroid cancer, in this example, approaches endemic levels, I fully anticipate these private lab services will be quickly outlawed by tyrannical executive, legislative or politicized regulatory agencies intent on suppressing civilian awareness of the widespread degree of the contamination disaster, as well as their ability to care for themselves and their health by re-locating or modifying their behavior.

        The government we have elected will soon be recognized as the tragedy and disgrace that it is, and has been, for decades.

        • jump-ball jump-ball

          All seriousness aside, if there are any nuclear interests here tonight that I've failed to insult, I apologize. AS best I can…

          • unincredulous unincredulous

            Same for me, I'm too tired to complain much, but that is definitely my intention. So just a generic damn to all things nuclear on earth.

  • nemo

    Oups that why it s 90 percent. Wonder about the other 10 percent.

  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Tritium drops keep falling on my head…………………..

  • Nick

    …"Tritium is a heavy isotope of hydrogen and a key component of nuclear weapons, but it decays radioactively at the rate of 5.5 percent each year and must be replenished continually. This is accomplished by recycling tritium from exist- ing warheads and by extracting tritium from target rods irradiated in nuclear reactors…"

    http://www.srs.gov/general/news/factsheets/tf.pdf

    Just one more goody that nuclear weapons folks get from nuclear reactors.

    But don't worry, it's a LOW radioactive dose.

    So, let me get this straight, we all have tritium flowing thru our bodies, more and more each year. And this is OK????

    Next they'll tell us we get more radioactivity from eating a banana than drinking a glass of water.

    Need anymore proof that nuclear power plants = nuclear weapons goody producers?

    Tritium cannot be filtered out so all H20 that is T20 is mostly manmade (some from cosmic radiation).

    No such thing as a little bit pregnant. No such thing as a safe dose of low-radiation.

    We have been conned into believing the myth of nuclear's promises.

  • Nick

    Heavy water

    leaden rain

    When will we get our

    heaven back again?

  • Sol Man

    It's unbelievable! A few very safe low doses, and we dead!

  • tsfw tsfw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKE1FSNOFVg

    This was out in Nov and only has 89 views. Jailed for 20 days and still he is brave enough to speak out, and all he gets is 89 views. Discouraging.

  • Mack Mack

    Tritium is found in DRINKING WATER all over the U.S., too.

    Tritium "Results" in 2013 drinking water in the U.S.->

    Concord, NH; Hartford, CT; Providence, RI; New York City–Niagara Falls–Syracuse, NY; Trenton–Waretown, NJ; Ashland, VA; Baltimore—Conowingo, MD; Dover, DE; Harrisburg—Pittsburgh, PA; Lynchburg, VA; Barnwell—Baxley—Columbia—Jenkinsville—Seneca, SC; Savannah, GA; Jackson—Port Gibson, MS; Chattanooga—Knoxville—Oak Ridge, TN; Dothan—Muscle Shoals—Montgomery—Scottsboro, AL; Tampa, FL; Cincinnati—Columbus—E.Liverpool—Painesville—Toledo, OH; Madison, WI; St. Paul—Welch, MN; W. Chicago—Morris, IL; Austin, TX; Little Rock, AR; New Orleans, LA; Oklahoma City, OK; Cedar Rapids, IA; Jefferson City, MO; Lincoln, NE; Topeka, KS; Bismark, ND; Denver, CO; Helena, MT; Honolulu, HI; Boise—Idaho Falls, ID; Fairbanks, AK; Richland, WA

    http://iaspub.epa.gov/enviro/erams_query_v2.simple_query

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Pretty sure they must have accepted Nuclear Waste at their dump…secret no doubt. Check the comments.
    https://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/04/6827
    http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=ashland+virginia+cancer+dump&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=ashland+virginia+nuclear+dump&rls=en

    This Nuclear Crap is now everywhere! 🙁 And so is Cancer! 🙁

  • American Phoenix57

    Not to worry. . .they (The Hierarchy Enslaving You) figured out a solution.

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/12/scientists-suggest-stuffing-nuclear-waste-into-the-hole-fracking-leaves-behind/#ixzz2nJo2z6mN

    Fracking Fukushima starring Michael Moore and Ken Buesseler opens soon in a backyard near you.

  • Occupant Occupant

    US Gov FDA says people don't benefit from taking any kind of vitamin supplements + Tritium becomes part of body and becomes cancer = My gov wants to eliminate us.

  • shamwow shamwow

    Harold Camping passed away today. He predicted the world would end on 5/21/2011. He was ridiculed when nothing happened but maybe he was a little late with his date. By about 2 month and 10 days. 3/11/2011 could be the beginning of the end if we don't find a way to stop it and it looks like we will need divine intervention. No human knows how stop this. Just horrible.

    • We Not They Finally

      I believe that Camping made several predictions — this was just the last one. It was his business rap.

  • Grampybone Grampybone

    "All nuclear power plants, that are of the variety of light water reactors, release tritium to the atmosphere, so you can expect radioactive rainfall"

    Expect a good clean death. Brought to you by the people who keep the lights on…and threaten mutually assured destruction if one of the bomb making facilities explodes. 500km evacuation for black dust sounds more reasonable now that it's being found 400km from the plant now doesn't it?

    • +10000

      Even 5000 miles away is not far enough..:(

      • Grampybone Grampybone

        "Limited Tritium Rainfall is also a factor in all nuclear operations, however is usually confined to 17km." If Yttrium is naturally creating phenomenon in the area, particle density is condensed. Short lived re-uptake in nature is a part of the brains processes, electron transference and the nature of light bending around the stars. 400km can easily carry high density clusters into populated areas at this radius Tokyo is on a clock.

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    And to think for decades the password for nuclear launch codes were 0000000000

    These are brilliant minds……..

  • Could you repeat that launch code again? We missed it the first time around… You were talking too fast.

    75% US Nuclear Plants Leaking Toxic Tritium Radiation Into Drinking Water Supply; via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/75-us-nuclear-plants-leaking-toxic.html

    Tritium Levels Soaring At Fukushima – 2 to 3 Times More Lethal Than Cesium – Indicates Active Fission; via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/09/tritium-levels-soaring-at-fukushima-2.html

  • elenews

    Can people become aware of the dangers of nuclear accidents like Fukushima and still keep society functioning? I think we may have to find out.

    It's very simple.

    1. There is NO accepted place to store the piles of nuclear waste for hundreds of years,
    2. Any accident outside of plant tolerances becomes a catastrophe, meaning large areas of uninhabitable land.
    3. Unexpected things happen all the time in nature.

    If this fuku event is survivable we need to get the rest of the nuke plants shut down ASAP.

    We need a sunshot program with NASA to fly what waste we can to the sun. It will be very expensive but necessary.

    It might just end the nuke bomb programs too, by way of driving the point home that it is all utter madness. The Iranians should build schools!

    • justasweetgurl

      elenews, I agree in general with your points, and have long been a fan of sun-disposal.

      All the hot rods in the reactors and "fool-pools" need to be dealt with by this method, but I speculate that the process would take half a century, even if there was the will to do it. And then there are all the military reactors on ships and submarines…..

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    .. 🙂

  • whiteaglesoaring

    We also need to get a clear understanding of who did this and how. Earthquake and tsunami were incidental, not causative. A magnitude 9.0 would have leveled most of Japan, but even in the tsunami videos the buildings at Sendai did not show mass demolition of buildings until the tsunami arrived. Even then the destruction we can see at Fukushima Daiichi. One generator remained functional and sufficient to keep the valves open to let cooling water flow into the reactor. But they were found to have been locked shut. Technicians in the control room didn't know the reactors were getting hotter. This is the way that stuxnet virus works. Magna BSP, an Israeli security contractor, won the bid to set up security at Fukushima, immediately after Japan offered to enrich uranium for Iran. They had access to the facility and left one week before trouble broke out.

    The monitor installed by Magna BSP is suspiciously similar to a gun-type mini-nuke that would more adequately explain the demolition of the containment buildings and reactor 3.

    Israel has nuclear weapons and the submarines to place them in the Japanese Trench offshore from Fukushima to simulate a tsunami. Israel had motive, means, and opportunity.

  • isogoodhumans

    I always wondered how the Tritium got intot he Vancouver, BC water reservoirs (no reactors for miles, Hanford is nearest and thats a state away). It was from Fukushima.

    Tritium 144-185% over background
    http://www.enviroreporter.com/2012/10/radioactive-tritium-found-in-water-in-vancouver-b-c-canada/

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