Appalling: Tepco admits there’s no prepositioned chemicals at Fukushima plant in event water drains from fuel pool after quake — “They had not even considered it” (VIDEO)

Published: September 4th, 2012 at 1:03 am ET
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Fairewinds Nuclear Engineer Arnie Gundersen Lecture in Japan
Presented by Green Action Japan
September 3, 2012

At 1:49:00 in

Gundersen: If an earthquake damages the pool and the water drains out, it’s less than a day before the fire begins.

Which is why when I asked Tepco have you prepositioned chemicals on-site in the event you were to lose water, and to hear they had not even considered prepositioning chemicals was frankly appalling.

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17 comments to Appalling: Tepco admits there’s no prepositioned chemicals at Fukushima plant in event water drains from fuel pool after quake — “They had not even considered it” (VIDEO)

  • Max1 Max1

    Typical nuclear bs…
    … "We'll deal with it later."

    Thus, reason no. 1 why nuclear is so dangerous.


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  • Sickputer

    Yes, they need massive shipments of boron from Death Valley and hardened remote-control bulldozers in position in the event of a collapse.

    But they won't do it. Two reasons: perception and money.

    Money is obvious…they are running on fake money in Japan just like so many other governments.

    Perception means the nucleocrats can not allow such defensive actions as it threatens the world wide nuclear cabal.


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  • MCBEKRL

    People giving Arnie a hard time on this site should give him an extra star for this… I am glad that he was able to point out the obvious to TEPCO. Sickputer, your comments on perecption are hopeless – TEPCO could have easily had chemicals prepared for the worst case scenario without any of us knowing about it.

    But the sad reality is that they didn't even @#$%ing think about! Arnie may have saved us if they decide to take his advice, and end up using the chemical in the event of further emergency at SFP4.

    Good job Anrie!


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  • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

    I am wondering if Arnie is being used as a part of the stealth 'intimidation' tactics by whoever wishing to split our community. (Thanks to andagi for the PDF ;) )

    Sometimes I find that I may not like or agree with the teacher or I may not like the information provider but take what's good and useful and forget about other stuff that interfers your learning.
    Whether Arnie is an anti or pro disguised as anti, he must know something about nuke, right!? Check the facts and if it seems right, that bit is good.


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    • timebomb

      I completely agree with the secong part of your comment.

      It appears Arnie just can't wrap his head around the possiblity of China Syndrome… Yet Hosono, Yamada, Koide, and many other's in the media routinely state that it is either possible or even probable.

      Even Tepco thinks it's only 65cm from the outside of containment yet Arnie says no way.

      As you wrote "take what's good and useful and forget about other stuff that interfers your learning."


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  • Sol Man

    The engineers are able to design it, and constructors can build it, but incompetent managers further down the line, in order to save a buck (we must contribute as many $$$ as possible to profit/bonus pool)will be certain to put ALL at risk. It is a fine, or perhaps, final mess you have gotten us into now, Ollie!


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Gundersen is perfect for all the ill-informed people in the world. And ill-informed politicians.


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    • timebomb

      Yup, good middle of the road analysis with occassional strong points. Yet they paint him as if he's some crazed activist.

      We need someone out there in the media raising the sensitive issues so Arnie can keep his relatively neutral stance.


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  • Centaur Centaur

    I remember that there was a youtube snippet from "Early Bird" (Asahi TV) back in autumn last year (now unfortunately deleted because of "copyright claims"), where they dealt with the question of melting rods and a possible pyrophoric fire in case of SFP #4 (or any other) running dry from a critical leak.

    They commissioned four different (independent?) expert teams to do the calculations for that case. They all consistently claimed, that the temperature would definitely NOT go any higher than approximately 300°C, which would be FAR below critical – and only at the TOP of the fuel bundles – because of a "chimney effect" circulating the air up and out of the pool and thus cooling the bundles enough to keep the temperature at about the abovementioned level. (Totally different story if pool collapses and bundles lay in a rubble pile one over the other though…)

    My questions about this:

    1. Does anyone remember? (Here's the ENENews-Story that featured the video: http://tinyurl.com/blov59k)

    2. Did anyone download the video (incl. subtitles maybe?) and can upload it again somewhere?

    3. Who is right? Gundersen or the Early Bird Team?

    Greetings. :)


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    • Centaur Centaur

      … that should read "independent (?)" and not "(independent ?)" – as in: "They CLAIMED EXPLICITELY in that feature, that the expert teams are independent… but some doubt naturally remains on my side". ;)


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    • Atomfritz Atomfritz

      These questions are still being discussed in the nuclear community.

      1. When water boiled off below Top of Fuel in Mar 2011, radiation strongly increased until water was refilled.
      2. Nobody knows for sure whether it was just gamma shine or a radiation plume from the pool.
      3. When looking at the configuration of the pool (see it here: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vo9fREwZv1A/T5ha0K8VlZI/AAAAAAAADpM/LjoWFl28Xkw/s1600/Overlay-v4.jpg ) you see that there are some areas where very hot fuel was concentrated and covered by debris, blocking convection.
      4. Nuclear professional safety consultant Christian Mueller (tec-sim.de) has suggested that some part of the hottest fuel became leaky and releasing dirt into the plume.
      5. The observation that the pool water was so radioactive that it took months of purging to lower the contamination to an acceptable level to approach the pool by carbon-based robots also indicates some leaky fuel assemblies.

      So, maybe the truth is inbetween what the birds and what Arnie said.


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      • Centaur Centaur

        Your item 3. makes me think… so this may be just one of these cases, where the DETAILS may make the final difference… and that was (accidentally?) overlooked by the expert teams when giving out their results to Asahi TV. I'm still unsure, if Arnie ever heard about that studies nevertheless. Maybe i'll write him an email. Thanks for the infos, Atomfritz! :)


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  • chrisk9

    Arnie has 20+ years experience as a nuclear engineer, and that is his field of expertise. He was told for all those years that anything like Fukishima could never happen because of all the redundant safety systems. But he knew that some of their claims about safety has holes in them and he fought to close Vermont Yankee.
    He pointed out problems no one else would point out from day one, and that makes him a hero in my book. How many people with nuclear experience are speaking out at all? If I had any desire to ever do any kind of work in the nuclear field ever again I would be stupid to say anything negative, because i probably would never be hired anywhere.
    That said, he frustrates me at times because he says things that out of his field of expertise and not completely accurate or insightful. Early on he seemed to be partially promoting his own company, and now he seems to be enjoying the spotlight a bit too much.
    So like all of us he is not perfect. But the fact is he has stepped forward, pointed out a lot of important information no one else volunteered, and educated a lot of people. Thank you for that Arnie.


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  • arclight arclight

    Aileen Mioko Smith and Arnie Gunderson co-operating..

    now thats trouble for nuke central methinks :)

    heres some more

    Corbett: IAEA and Nuclear Monopolists a "Gang of Thugs"

    Published on Aug 24, 2012 by corbettreport
    Iran and the UN's nuclear watchdog are set to resume talks later on Friday – more than two months after the previous round failed. Tehran insists it only wants peaceful energy, but the West remains suspicious of its nuclear ambitions. Hopes aren't high for these negotiations either – while Iranian citizens continue to be hit hardest by US and European sanctions. For more on this we RT talks to James Corbett – journalist and editor of The Corbett Report – an online multi-media news and information source.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vKHxw7kZJc&feature=plcp


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