“Are people going to drop dead?” US officials surprised workers still at Fukushima after assessment No. 2 went ex-vessel and 400 milliSv/h dose measured

Published: March 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm ET


Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi ET Audio File
Nuclear Regulatory Commission
March 15, 2011

DAVID: And the notion that Unit 2 is X vessel is something that is the the assessment of Jim Trapp, who’s in the office talking to one NISA engineer, so that, that’s their best estimate of what the situation is. But we don’t have anything from either Tepco or NISA that, that verifies that information.

BRIAN McDERMOTT [Director of Division of Preparedness and Response]: When they say that the core is X vessel, what kind of rad readings are they getting near the site?

DAVID: I don’t have any updates over the last, roughly six or seven hours. But six or seven hours ago, the site boundary in the vicinity of Unit 2 and 3 was 3 to rem per hour, and around Unit 4, was 10 rem per hour.

MALE PARTICIPANT: And at one point, there was a 40 rem.

DAVID: Yeah. There was a media report of a 40-rem dose measured somewhere near the plant.

BRIAN McDERMOTT: Okay. Wow. And they still have people there?

DAN DORMAN: There are 50 people remaining on site. Everybody else has been evacuated. Now I don’t know if that 50 includes the 11 that were injured in the Unit 3 explosion or sent after that.


DAN DORMAN: One of our, of our lingering questions is, is how many people are there monitoring this and trying to, to cool things, and for how long?

BRIAN McDERMOTT: Right, with those kind of dose rates.


MALE PARTICIPANT: No. He doesn’t have anything else.

MALE PARTICIPANT: No, we’re just trying to get a ballpark. Are we talking about, are people going to drop dead? Are they going to — it’s just — you know, how hot is it? […]

See EXSKF’s post from yesterday: Dry Vent of Reactor 2 May Have Released Largest Amount of Radioactive Materials, Not Explosions:

The paper by a Tokyo University researcher that was finally published […]

It shows the spacial dose of radiation at the front gate of Fukushima I Nuke Plant and the timeline of events at the plant in March. The largest spike seems to be around or after 12AM on March 15, and the label on the spike says “Dry vent at reactor no.2”. […]

SOURCE: K. Shozugawa et al.

Published: March 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm ET


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25 comments to “Are people going to drop dead?” US officials surprised workers still at Fukushima after assessment No. 2 went ex-vessel and 400 milliSv/h dose measured


      @InfoPest: awesome article! It just keeps getting better. Thanks!

    • static66 static66

      The reporters email is on the article, everyone here should email him and point him back to enenews, highlight the NRC transcripts, the tepco photoshops, and see if he can be convinced to dig deeper into this sordid story and it's implications for the US and world.


    They're organizing a memorial gathering for the eleventh, in France.


    It's important that we also do something out here…


    this is a breaking piece of news:

    Panel thinks fast-breeder reactor not realistic option for 20-30 yrs


    can admin make this a banner story? It's definitely hot…

    • Misitu

      that old chestnut might fit — fast breeder reactor, the power of the future, always has been, always will be

      the energies involved in these things are far out of our comfort zone, makes the legacy BWRs like a nice cup of tea, slippers, fireplace – liquid sodium coolant ffs!

      the nucke fraternity think they are on a roll with this, "will eat up as much spent fuel as you can throw at it," but listen to the tone of voice, look at the body language [metaphorically], this is an alcoholic, a drugaddict, a last chance saloon gambler – "just give me one more chance, I PROMISE it will be ok this time"

      Don't support gamblers. Ask the late great W. C. Fields, "Never give a sucker an even break."

      Never wise up a louse.

      You'll never persuade the paid hacks of the nuclear groupies. Don't bother trying to wise them up.

      Tackling their verbal shit for the benefit of the watching public is another matter. They fight dirty. How to deal with dirty fighters without dirtying yourself, your arguments, what you stand for?

      Never give a sucker an even break… Fight on your terms, not theirs

      Sometimes it all seems a bit too much.

      One can only put our hope in the deity Nemesis, working out, over timespans, the inevitable consequences coming back to haunt the wrongdoers.



    here's another hot one!

    Fault under Tsuruga nuclear plant could trigger M7.4 quake: research


    again, can admin make this a banner story?


    yet again, another hot one!

    Health effects of radiation doses under 100 millisieverts still unknown



    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      Low dose radiation dangers discovered at Chernobyl, TMI


      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        AGreenRoad, I found your link very interesting and intriguing. I live about 20 some miles from TMI and within 100 miles of 5 nuclear plants. I was 21 during the TMI fiasco and dx'd with MS on my 30th birthday, my spouse had cancer and the list goes on and on. Perhaps this is all coincidence but it makes me wonder. Anyway, I do hope the best and brightest are working on this nuclear disaster as they should have been doing a year ago.

  • StillJill StillJill

    AFTERSHOCK,…have you taken your meds today? (I'm teasing you here,…….a little.) πŸ™‚


      I know! I'm on a roll! I'll be getting out of here soon. Listen. You need to put some fire under people out here tonight. We have to formalize a memorial service before the eleventh. No need to tell you why…

  • Sickputer

    Gentle reminder…Use General discussion thread for your brainstorms. Let's use threads as intended.

    The Fukushima Fifty will go down as great heroes. All of the workers… I salute your efforts. I don't know if I would last very long under those hazards. But I would sacrifice my life for my family snd community if needed.

    • ENENews

      All around great comment Sickputer

    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      With the hit & miss sometimes reports of data…I hadn't heard this before: Of the Fuku 50m there were–
      <blockquote>…the 11 that were injured in the Unit 3 explosion.</blockquote>
      Are they still alive?

      We'll never know just how many you injured and killed.

  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    Wind and solar. Make it cheap. Put it everywhere. No nukes. No fossil fuels. Electric cars, battery banks, solar freezers, etc. Let's do this ourselves. Get this done!

  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    I posted a question in discussion asking about the German thinking behind ending nuclear. If anyone has an insight for me I would appreciate your comment there. Thanks!



      @enoughalready45: there are doubtless others here that can address this question in greater detail, but I would suggest a couple of things: a strong environmentalist movement, dating back decades; which, at the time of the decision to shut these plants down, found strong political support to do so. You might want to look into whether there were any active elections occurring within Germany, at that time. Finally, the German government saw the writing on the wall and decided to invest heavily in renewable energy systems as means of international market penetration. (They didn't want to leave it all to the Chinese.) When Fukushima went down, they looked at the tradeoffs between further pursuit of either technology and realized one would be much more cost-effective – in the long term – over the other. What the public never sees is the hidden cost of nuclear power. Hope this helps…

      NOTE: this post has been mirrored in FORUM: General Discussion Thread (Nuclear Issues) for Mar. 1 – 7, 2012 on March 6, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      Here is when everyone will drop dead, if we do not figure out how to protect or turn off all nuclear power plants…Super solar storm, coming soon, to a planet named Earth.

      • WindorSolarPlease

        Hi GreenRoad

        It's not a question if that will happen, it's a question of when will it happen.

        Quote: How do we keep all 400-1000 nuclear power plants, research facilities, university plants, military plants and secret facilities around the world and their associated spent fuel pools globally from melting down and blowing up, after the power has been out for potentially weeks and/or months?

        Answer: They don't know how to keep it from melting down or blowing up.

        They don't even know if or when the workers at Fukushima will drop dead.

        Why would anyone be in favor of putting in place, something this dangerous to our environment?

  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    WindorSolarPlease, I have been wondering about that myself for many years.
    One possibly explanation is that these things are intended as precisely the opposite of what we were told they were: that they are inimical to life on Earth (don't just consider the human species; the plants and animals are also affected.) At least to life on Earth as we know it now.

  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    We assume that the designers and creators of these plants had humanity's good at heart. But what if that was not the case?

    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi milk and cheese

      I believe there is good and evil in this world, and these plants are pure evil. When there is something so destructive, you know it's not a good thing.