Published: March 11th, 2012 at 11:23 pm ET
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Title: REMEMBERING 3/11: Without massive government outlays, future for Fukushima is bleak
Source: Asahi
Date: March 11, 2012
Bleak hardly does justice to assessments of Fukushima Prefecture’s future over the long term. [...]
There are a number of scenarios, none of them good. [...]
Depopulation?
- Serious concerns about whether depopulation is now a reality
- Other estimates also predict a gloomy picture for the future population of Fukushima Prefecture
Too Contaminated to Decontaminate
- An area in Fukushima Prefecture covering some 500 square kilometers currently has airborne radiation readings that exceed 20 millisieverts over the course of a year
- No plans are in place for locations where radiation levels exceed 50 millisieverts
- An Environment Ministry official offered this explanation: “There is the possibility that radiation levels may not fall even if the area is decontaminated”
(Re)moving Mountains
- According to one calculation, it may be necessary to strip–and possibly remove–entire mountainsides to remove contaminated soil
- [Isao Tanihata at the Osaka research center's Cosmonuclear Physics Division] said, “There may be a need for drastic action, such as removing large sections of mountains and valleys, including the vegetation found there”
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Published: March 11th, 2012 at 11:23 pm ET
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Moving mountains??? Move the children!! Plus, their parents, grandparents, neighbors, everyone! NOW.
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Kinda unsettling knowing that a single nuclear plant can take out a whole country.
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TBP typed this big picture of the current state of affairs from Nukashambles:
>Kinda unsettling knowing that a single nuclear plant can take out a whole country
SP: Even worse is the thought we may all be toast in the Northern Hemisphere.
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Considering that there are 450-500 major NPPs scattered throughout the world and possibly hundreds of smaller ones that pretty much sums it up.
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Ron,
One large American Nuclear aircraft carrier can have 8 nuclear reactors to power it!
There are around 1,000 nuclear reactors in the world, 442 for generating electricity, 250 research reactors, and the rest are military. Fifty two are in Japan, a very earthquake active zone. There are plans to build another 50+ nuclear power reactors for generating electricity in India and China, in the next decade alone.
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Get the message out there on how serious the Fukushima nuclear disaster is
quickly, and efficiently. You don’t need to explain anything just distribute the lifesaver.pdf (or create your own), hand it out, mailbox it, or email it.
Put it everywhere, libraries, notice boards, web pages, forums, Facebook,
and tweet! Think outside the box.
http://technologypals.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/lifesaver.pdf
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1. The FACT, that there is a chemical process which can take the radioactivity out of even extremely radioactive substances, increases the probability of there existing within creation, a microbe or other organism, with the same type of biochemical pathway.
Just as there are microbes which perform hydrolytic splitting of water into hydrogen and water, within their cell bodies, so there could be a microbe which can, as in the Brown’s Gas chemical process, ‘take the radioactivity out of’ radioactive contaminants within soil, sediments, surface water, and ground water.
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TRANSMUTATION OF RADIOACTIVE WASTES IS "NUCLEAR ALCHEMY GAMBLE"
Hugely Expensive Technology Would Increase Environmental, Health, Safety
And Nuclear Proliferation Risks, New Report Says
"’Asking the public for huge sums of money for new reactor research and development under the guise of radioactive waste management appears to be largely a scheme to perpetrate the nuclear power industry using public opposition to waste repositories as an excuse,’ said Dr. Arjun Makhijani, President of IEER. ‘Our research shows that the road will not only be costly and dangerous, but that it will also be a dead end. There is no magic bullet for solving the problem of long-lived nuclear waste.’
“According to The Nuclear Alchemy Gamble, even transmutation proponents agree that many long-lived components of radioactive waste, such as cesium-135 and carbon-14, cannot be transformed into less dangerous forms because of fundamental limitations that cannot be overcome by technology development. Uranium, which makes up 94% of the mass of the spent fuel, cannot be transmuted because it would result in the production of even more plutonium. In some cases, the report notes, transmutation would create new and even more toxic transuranic radioactive materials, making the residual wastes far more dangerous per pound….”
http://www.ieer.org/reports/transm/pressrel.html
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That just shows that IEER is a penetrated organization.
Real men solve problems. Real men look at and try every idea, they don't sit in ivory towers poo-pooing things theoretically.
Japan is screwed forever unless they FIND and USE solutions. There are apparently no REAL MEN in Japan, and in most of the nuclear industry.
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It also does not address the FACT that Cobalt-60 has been, de-radiationized.
Maybe there's a biological pathway in some microbe in nature for transmustation, maybe there is not.
Only a dumb _ _ _ working on the problem wouldn't look.
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And there is a pretty good chance that if such a microbe has already been discovered, our military technology researchers already know about it, because it would probably present a threat to stockpiles of weapons materials, deployed or not.
As a similar example: early on in Japan's supercatastrophe, brief mentions occurred in the news about a radiation resistance drug, or 'pill'. Then it was shut up and nothing heard afterward.
This is probably a DNA error correcting drug, supplementing the body's known capabilities. It is in line with longtime rumors of a form of gold which gave long life. It's all in the realm of possibility.
The whole field of microbiology is being re-written to a good extent with the advent of gene searching technology. NASA clean rooms it turns out, for example, are not clean; whole previously unknown bacteria and other microbes are being found by looking for their genetic coding; they don't show up with standard methods.
Who is to say a transmuting one does not exist? Who is to say a de-radiationizing one does not exist.
ME THINKS YOU PROTESTETH TOO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You have been a stalwart here americancommntr, but I would believe in Artu Lauri's theories way before the showman Yull Brown.
It's impossible to render high grade radioactivity harmless. Frankenstein stuff…and it does not die easy. You can vault it up, but you can't kill the monster.
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"It's impossible to render high grade radioactivity harmless."
100% true.
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And you know this from what, your God-like knowledge of everything?
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Do I have to find and get out a book on how many times in history people have said things like that and been proven wrong?
When you were born did the doctor, if one delivered you, wash his hands before handling you or your mom? Of course he did, but when Dr. Lister first proposed it he was ridiculed, vehemently.
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2. Can they not build radiation resistant robots to drill to corium and flamethrow it with Brown’s Gas until it is hardly radioactive and only an elementally poisonous?
We all know they have plenty of pieces of 'flying fuel rod' lying all about the Daichii neighborhood, have they not tried Brown's Gas on some of it yet?
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How about trying this……SHUT THEM ALL DOWN!!!!!
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That's what I say, too. But that won't eliminate radioactivity from radioactive materials.
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I think what your trying to do is make radioactive particles decay all at once, and harness that energy. In this universe, it seems radioactive particles will emit a particle whenever they damn well please. But with a predictible halflife. Maybe there is some element, perhaps with 200 protons and 300 neutrons that has the ability to suck the energy out of Plutonium and turn it into lead. But this is only science fiction.
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http://pacenet.homestead.com/Nucwaste.html
This is the link. You can theorize all you want. People have done it. It's up to you to believe it or not. And I really don't care what YOU do with it, I'm just spreading the news, in the hopes that some real men in Japan will get out of their little mental prisons they are restrained within, and get their behinds busy with it.
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By the way, Setterfield and Norman showed evidence of deexponential decay of the speed of light, and that light speed does vary, as well as constants dependent or related to light speed INCLUDING RATE OF RADIOACTIVE DECAY.
They did this even before more recent research speeding up, slowing down, even starting and stopping a light beam, or before quantum tunneling of light proof, even before demonstrations of transmitting information on a beam of light through a solid brick wall.
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+ nicely put
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Fukushima radiation resulting in forced depopulation of area
Fukushima forced depopulation, Japanese plead world aid (video) – National Human Rights | Examiner.com Deborah Dupre, Human Rights Examiner, August 22, 2011
Fukushima genocide, forced depopulation
After “off-scale” radiation contamination at Fukushima was reported in early August, this weekend extremely excessive radiation contamination around Fukushima reported by the Ministry of Science and Education is forcing the Japanese government toward what New York Times termed ”long-term depopulation” with an announcement making the area officially uninhabitable for decades, as Japanese people, including radiation refugees, plead for global help to survive human right to health violations experienced since March when Japan’s ever worsening nuclear power plant catastrophe began…. http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/fukushima-forced-depopulation-japanese-plead-world-aid-video
http://nuclear-news.net/2011/09/02/fukushima-radiation-resulting-in-forced-depopulation-of-area/
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The fact neither Gunderson nor Enenews have not ever made ONE PEEP about Brown's Gas, indicates either they truly are industry opposition manipulation operations, or have a problem with pride. It's looking to me more like the former, is the case.
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americancommntr, come on! Just because they aren't touting your pet solution means they must be the enemy.
What an asinine thing to say.
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This has been "bash Arnie week" with an occasional sucker punch at enenews.
I have a hard time understanding how spending hours and hours pouring over Arnie's comments with a fine tooth comb and picking out one word or phrase trying to prove he is a shill, or passing someone's litmus test that he's anti-nuke "enough". It is negative and unproductive. We all have a brain, and as such, can come up with our own conclusions about Arnie.
Slapping Enenews around is really lame. This place is a wealth of information and an oasis of sanity in a mad, mad radiated world. Stopping nukes is going to be a long, uphill battle. It is going to require numerous talents which are abundant on this site. Why waste them on ego shit?
This is a tactic that has passed the test of time over and over….Divide and Conquer. Let's use it against the poisonous nuke industry, not each other.
NO MO NUKES !!
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Well said, +1 e 12
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The problem is that "each other" includes a very mixed bag of agendas and there is no way to tell the motivations of a given post or poster. Good people are sometimes misinformed or mistaken. Bad people can fake good, sometimes for a long time. We are all in the ultimate prisoner's dilemma game, with mortal stakes.
Inevitably, these forums will contain far more noise than forums about less important subjects.
Therefore, appeals to "play nice", may have little effect.
It is very tempting to just walk away, but then the bad guys accomplish their goals.
So… it's a marathon that none of us wanted to enter, but here we are.
SHUT THEM ALL DOWN
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I agree, Ron. Totally.
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What's your solution? Are you another pollyana?
It's not my pet. It's something that's been done, and is being ignored as far as can be told.
It has been shown to work with Cobalt-60.
What would you do to eliminate the radioactivity of a Cobalt-60 pellet? Wish upon a star?
Run around willy nilly screaming the sky is falling?
Be a puss and just take the radioactivity?
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Or just bury it in a mountain somewhere and you and your grandkids and great grandkids, and so on, nursemaid it while feeding out of the taxpayer's back pocket?
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Future comments about Brown's Gas will be put in the discussion forum, unless the comment is made on a post mentioning Brown's Gas.
Let's try and get this thread back on topic.
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Maybe you could send some links to Admin for articles published on this subject?
And have you searched over all sections of the site, including the archives and "radiation facts" sections before making that statement?
Just curious.
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To my knowledge, my comments are the ONLY ones ever made on this website about Brown's Gas, and I have been watching this site since early last summer, if not in May or earlier.
And if you'd have read this site, you'd have found a link above.
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The first mention of Brown's Gas made on this site was on April 11, 2011 at 5:54 pm from a poster "john".
http://enenews.com/radiation-consultant-watch-weather-patterns-very-carefully-live-california-video/comment-page-1#comment-11819
"john" had a credibility problem, I think.
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Mainstream Media Story Title: "Japan Reborn After Earthquake Tsunami"
I'm not buying the spin, is anyone else?
The Japanese people are in serious trouble and need help desperately. They haven't had enough time yet to think about being "REBORN".
For too many just trying to make from day to day and coping with huge losses, personal sickness, or that of a loved one, and on top of that trying to dodge an invisible killer!
Yeah they've been reborn alright, reborn in the middle of hell!
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Thanks moderator. Keep it real.
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Many thanks to Admin for bringing much-needed discipline to this thread and the forum in general.
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ACHTUNG!!
Comments about possible alternatives to the ridiculous discussiion of removing entire mountainsides in decontamination efforts, or taking generations to deal with fissioning, spewing, corium must be presented in section Z-9 of this website.
Existing, little known, solutions for significant portions of the Japanese national supercatastrophe problem, and/or supportive of Japanese national survival, must not be discussed in the article commentary of this website.
This website will maintain the desired ordered NWO discipline. Comments outside approved, accepted, parameters, and not posted in section Z-9, will be terminated.
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Laterluke,
Every time I see one of these happy horseshit articles about everything coming up roses in Japan, all the cheery, sentimental (and totally false) bullwhacky, it utterly disgusts me. PR intended to mislead. Period. "See, it really wasn't that bad… Just a little hiccup in the history of a grand nation and a great, resilient people." Yuppers.
Has any nation in modern history been dealt such a blow as Japan has suffered with this huge (and effectively permanent) poisoning of large areas of land, and millions of people? – give to me ze break, already. Sure they're just as happy and upbeat and poised for success as they can be – boy, what a wonderful bunch they are. Bouncing right back! No problemo!
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Couldn't have said it better myself Bleep!
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Decontamination is a pipe dream to keep the government in power, to play the roll of good guy. They haven't a hope in hell of achieving any results worth funding. A waste of money, a waste of life.
Only one solution, evacuate.
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Moderator WHY did you delete MY post????? It was related to Fukushima Prefecture!
Gee, Thanks for the abuse of your power
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Would just like for me to go away? I didn't know this was a club!
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The Japanese just need to cut a layer of few miles of the top soil out and flip over the ocean than they can solve the nuclear problem and double their side of the country. Problem solved.
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Laterluke
Don't take it personally. Admin. has concerns about the impression we are making on visitors to the site, I believe, and he doesn't want it to look like a bunch of kooks here. It is a reasonable concern, I think. Some of us (like me) get kind of far afield, but he has made a place for us – Off Topic Discussion Forum.
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That's reassuring. Thanks for the heads up.
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M
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My comment was related and in line with the posted story so I don't understand why it was deleted. Didn't even give me the courtesy of an explanation so I don't know if I re post it the moderator is going to delete it again.
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The poor need to destroy those plants. If someone wanted to destroy your country all they would have to do is bomb nuke plants. You have a war now and planes it those nuke plants and you're screwed. The only reason those plants were created was a creation from war. They only use them, because big business makes a lot of money building them and supplying them with fuel and then the clean up and all the workers make good money. But they take so long to build and require so much more care and of course an accident and it's just too costly. It's time for the poor to destroy them. Because if they let them grow hemp they wouldn't need the plants. So big business stopped hemp production.
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They asked why all the wars and people did nothing. They ask why didn't they warn us about Chernobyl? In a few years people will ask why didn't the people just move away. I believe that Japan is finished. They would have to take a foot of top soil an area of 100 miles around he plant. That just seems like a monumental plan. Seems like nuclear power just isn't the cost, but you don't know till there is an accident. If a nuke plant in America melted down and took out New York City then nuke plants would be finished. Bad ole Germany decided to get rid of the nuke plants. Those damn Germans mean to those nice, sweet, innocent, fun loving, and caring Jews.
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The poor can do so much. If they demanded to close the nuke plants, BEFORE there is another meltdown. You know there will be another disaster. The stuff is just too dangerous. Not to mention the waste they create. Waste has to remain sitting somewhere for 1,000 years. Nuke plants are only 60 years old. Just think the bastards will keep building them and you'll have 100 billion gallons of waste and climbing. So more plants, more disasters, more waste and only after several disasters will the citizens force them to close. Just allow farmers to grow hemp and problem solved and the government could tell everyone about free electricity created by Tesla and Edison. You can get free electricity and run all small appliances. It's in the air ,solar is cheap, but you got to demand it.
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The Fukushima meltdowns and continuing radiation pollution highlights in 3D high definition why nuclear energy is off the chart in cost. The nuclear industry never includes the cost of radiation exposure for all lifeforms, never includes the cost of disposing of spent fuel rods safely, and never includes the costs of massive cover-ups.
NO MORE NUKES or NO MORE LIFE!
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If you remove whole mountainsides due to their being radioactive, erm where do you dump the removed stuff [so that it isn't dangerous any more]
Silly question, I know.
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I suppose this demonstrates the shortcomings in being technically adept in every department except that of the Big Picture.
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Mu, Misitu. Seriously:
http://philosophyandpsychology.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/reductionism-or-holism-mu-2/
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Misitu, I had to rush off or I wouldn't have been so cryptic. I take no issue with your comments – they are right on target. I wanted to express agreement by signalling that it's a "mu" situation. For those who haven't seen "mu" as an answer to a question – it's a handy tool to have in your kit bag.
"Mu" is a device used to handle unanswerable questions like:
"Are you still beating your spouse?"
"Is the present king of France bald?"
"Where do you dump the removed radioactive mountain-that-was?"
"Should the industry have focused on holistic 'big picture' issues or reductionist 'get the details right' issues?"
"Which energy approach is right for the planet, oil, coal, or nukes?"
… and on and on. These are all trick questions, as you know.
"Mu" is a response that "unasks the question". It is a polite way of saying to the trickster "get serious and reframe the question".
Example of use:
Q: "Should Tepco or the Japanese government be in charge of handling the Fukushima question?"
A: "Mu".
The link again: http://philosophyandpsychology.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/reductionism-or-holism-mu-2/
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Just catching up aigeezer – having bookmarked my posts, now huge task keeping track of any responses
Thanks for the MU thing, must have a look at that.
I suppose the answer to Fukushima might be something like MU as when you get to feeling depressed about it you can always say there's f/a to be done. I don't like that idea but if the "experts" haven't thought it through, haven't good a part 2 emergency handbook, and haven't got the guts to wade in and try something, wtf can the likes of me do except keep trying, keep thinking. Feels better than doing 0.0E0 however.
M
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haven't GOT a part 2
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oops misplaced
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