Asahi: Cesium at 172 times gov’t limit in tea near Sendai — Will not cause health problems ‘soon’ after being consumed, says radiation professor — 1,100 already sold

Published: April 13th, 2012 at 1:43 pm ET
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Title: Tests find cesium 172 times the limit in Miyagi Yacon tea
Source: AJW by The Asahi Shimbun
Date: Apr. 13, 2012

The Miyagi Prefectural government said April 12 that radioactive cesium 172 times the central government limit of 100 becquerels per kilogram was detected in Yacon tea [...] 17,200 becquerels per kilogram.

[...] the maker already sold 1,100 sets of the product [...]

[...] planted Yacon outdoors in May last year in the town of Zao [...]

“The company brought the product to an inspection agency because Tokyo Electric Power Co. (which operates the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant) said it will not provide compensation without test results for radiation,” Yoji Sakai, company president, told The Asahi Shimbun. “I became worried and consulted the prefecture.” [...]

“The tea will not cause health problems soon after being consumed,” said Michiaki Kai, radiation protection professor at Oita University of Nursing and Health Sciences. [...]

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Published: April 13th, 2012 at 1:43 pm ET
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147 comments to Asahi: Cesium at 172 times gov’t limit in tea near Sendai — Will not cause health problems ‘soon’ after being consumed, says radiation professor — 1,100 already sold

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    “The tea will not cause health problems soon after being consumed,” said Michiaki Kai, radiation protection professor at Oita University of Nursing and Health Sciences.

    "soon after"? …Thats the most crazy statement yet.


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  • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

    The use of the term "soon after" is so transparent….that they know there is a huge problem.

    Yet it fits in to the pathology of how they think about this stuff.

    What is just as disturbing is to realize that there must be a fairly large percent of the general population that does not recognize this sort of linguistic diversion.

    His job title is just as disturbing.


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  • Fred

    I'm sitting in a large restaurant in Charleston, SC. A quick poll finds about 2% of them ever heard of Fukushima and those that had said something like, "That was a year ago." and think it's all been solved like a flat tire on a car…it's over.

    Americans all suffer from collective amnesia and stupidity.

    Very sad.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      I wouldn't exclusively apply this astute observation to Americans. Such denial is universal…


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    • jec jec

      Yes, the general public in America–has been told "its over" and "Japan is back to normal"–I get the "deer in the headlights" look when I show them ITS STILL LEAKING RADIATION INTO THE SEA AND AIR. Come on news media, forget snipes at political candidates and focus on safety issues for the voters. If the citizens are not protected from the fallout–you may not have to worry anyone about election results..the voters will not be there to vote. And where would they be??–in a grave yard somewhere.


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    • Fred,
      Many I run into think there was just a nig wave and it has been delt with pretty much !

      How do fill the gaps in a quick passing ?
      I just give them enenews url and hope they check it out, on utubes i will put more @ enenews dot com


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  • jahdesm jahdesm

    fred you are right in finland nobody cares and dont want to know what is happening at japan


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    • HamburgGeiger

      Same in Germany. Even friends and most of the family are in full intentional(!) denial. They DON`T WANT to know.


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      • Sharp2197 Sharp2197

        My mother wonders why I always tell her bad news. If we ignore it, it isn't there.


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        • HamburgGeiger

          I am at a point where it is nearly impossible to stay in closer contact with my mother and brother. I can`t stand their uninformed and uninterested way of dealing with this situation. Tried to inform them but they don`t want to know. And I can`t act as if nothing happened – don`t want to. So I reduced contact to a minimum. Sad but true. And I always thought that family and good friends would be important in times like these…


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          • Holland Holland

            @HamburgGeiger, I understand what you're saying but it's not easy to comprehend the highly possible outcome of this situation. A lot of people just don't know how to deal with the idea that the world may be in for a giant catastrophe.


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            • HamburgGeiger

              I don`t know either. But I know that we need to be so aware of alls this if we want to use our perhaps last chance (in case we get another one).


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            • HoTaters HoTaters

              If people haven't been following this story due to ignorance or lack of interest, it's probably not possible for them to comprehend how serious it is. That is, if they don't know for example, there were already explosions at spent fuel pool #4, #3, three melted through reactors, and predictions of another very large earthquake in Japan in the next year (and what that might do to the plant, esp. spent fuel pool #4) then it's impossible for them to grasp it.

              It helps to know how serious the situation already is, and know some of the background behind the dire predictions and warnings. It's pretty hard for the average person to understand, without that background, it's not just another "scarey headline" in today's infotainment or another attempt by media to attraction your attention. "Media du jour" is the word of the day for mainstream media. I think the way the news has been handled in the past 20 years has made people shell-shocked and they can no longer tell fantasy from fiction.


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          • WindorSolarPlease

            Hi HamburgGeiger

            This is your family/friends, don't be to hard on them. Take them as they are. They will need you more when SHTF.

            For now, you have done all you can by warning them. They will probably ask questions when they are ready to hear more.

            My family doesn't want to hear it either, and that's their decision. I can't force them to understand how devastating this really is. Family and friends don't always agree.

            I know this is a serious disaster, and right now we are all in trouble. However, I'm still hoping that things will change and that SDoesNotHTF..

            You can't act if something hasn't happened, when it has. However, be thankful and enjoy in what you have right now. Enjoy your family and friends, spend good times with them.

            Whatever is going to happen, is going to happen. There is either going to be a miracle or not. If I am going out by this disaster, I want to go out with a smile being thankful for the time I had here.

            This disaster might kill me, but it's not going to control me.


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          • Anthony Anthony

            Take care of yourself. Keep an eye on them. Love them the best you can. They are going to need you.


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          • Sharp2197 Sharp2197

            I am having dinner Sunday with my Mom, stepdad, brother, and niece and nephew. I will try to refrain from telling bad news, and enjoy family,(Thanks Windor)I will hold in my mind that "Effects of radiation do not come to happy people"
            good luck all


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    • Peaceismyfriend Peaceismyfriend

      @jahdesm: I'm from Finland as well and I sure do care.. and know a few other in the neighborhood who do as well. But many are in denial too..


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  • Mothercares

    Peace Everyone,
    It's been awhile, I have been in and out here-working. I just wanted to say again how very valuable everyone is here. I just printed the shelter in place-7 pgs, and I am going to copy it, email it, and hand out to whoever. I want more out of life and for all people. Fred I am in Michigan, so I here ya, when they say its over there, nothing is happening, blah-blah, or the look in there eye's. I don't push, there really is no point.


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  • bigfatscaryman sdyogini

    Pathological liars know exactly how to word things, they can technically say they are being truthful, like raising the "healthy" limit of exposure *whatever* and then saying that the levels are within the "healthy" limit, yadda yadda…these aren't human as much as avatar for demons from he'll, they don't give a shit about anyone or anything even their own…unless it adversely affects the depraved pleasure they get from their various sick activities….


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  • Mothercares

    One other thing:

    Our Father Who Art In Heaven, Hollow Be Thy Name, Thy Kingdom Come, Thy Will Be Done, on Earth, As it is in Heaven. Give Us this Day our Daily Bread, and Forgive Us Our Trespasses, AS We Forgive Those Who Trepass AGAINST Us, and Lead Us Not Into Temptation, But Deliver Us from Evil. Amen – PS, Please forgive me for the pray, we need divine intervention.


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  • Cdog Cdog

    It's pretty nuts that such criminal acts occur. I never thought I'd read that people can buy food that is clearly radioactive from the local supermarket. Remember even one time peaches from Fukushima were advertised as being from Chiba or someplace! I always thought our governments would step in and say no way. Instead they keep pumping out the rice, meat, milk, fruit, tea and fish and test maybe 1%, which fails. And only for cesium, not uranium or plutonium. Unreal! Undoubtably Michiaki Kai was either quoted out of context or is on a payroll.


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  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    Best thing to do for Japan is not to eat anything that is grown there, and not to buy anything that was manufactured there. Many Japanese are already drinking only imported water, and eating only imported food. Kevin Blanch tells us that since no Japanese will eat Japanese seafood anymore, they are exporting all the radioactive seafood to the US instead. Government says they are monitoring imports for radiation, but my guess is that the radiation detectors in Pacific ports have quietly been turned off. Homeland security? Don't bet on it! Japan economy will crash if no one buys their tea, foods, and products. But that will motivate the Japanese people to migrate elsewhere, as they must do to survive. If they stay, they will all surely perish.


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    • ReactorHalfEmpty

      Homeland security? You SHOULD bet on it – the wrong way :-P


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        See EPA guidelines for implementing the PAG's (Protective Action Guidelines). Interpretation and recommendations for implementing the PAG's courtesy of the DoE, with help from Homeland Security. A link posted here a couple of days ago. You can find the PAG's under the EPA site. Just do a browser search under "EPA Protective Action Guidelines" then look for the page with 2 .pdf documents describing recommendations for implementing the guidelines.


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    • Anthony Anthony

      Probably almost a year to late for your advice.

      Stuck in a really bad nightmare, all of us.


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  • Joe Ebslap Joe Ebslap

    Just coming to the end of my pre-Fuku Japanese Gunpowder green tea. It will be missed. Alas.


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  • snowwy snowwy

    how soon is "soon"? 1 hour, 1 week, 1 year? cos if you drink it for a while, not so soon, will come sooner than expected


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  • Sickputer

    Back to the topic a bit… I think highly contaminated tea leaves from Honshu and tobacco leaves would be almost as deadly as mushrooms, freshwater fish or seaweed. The act of boiling tea leaves or burning tobacco surely concentrates the cesium into a form that enters the human body easily though the intestines or lungs.

    The tobacco contamination is definitely going to be a game changer in Japan. The Japanese smokes like fiends, ranking 13th in the world at over 2,000 cigarettes per adult per year. The paradox has been cancer rates have been very low despite the high consumption. Several factors produce this anomaly…better diet, low fat foods in that diet, more exercise, less obesity, and the last factor is Japanese cigarettes contain less carcinogens.

    Things have changed for the worse… the diet is contaminated, exercise is probably been constrained by people staying indoors to avoid fallout. But the biggest change is contaminated tobacco. Plutonium and cesium will travel directly in vapor form to the lungs. Expect a massive increase in smokers from sudden death syndrome (cesium-induced heart attacks) and later down the line carcinomas in the lungs.

    The Japanese are going to rapidly become third world life carbon forms for longevity.


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    • Sorry for the non-sequitor but I wanted to tell you Sickputer about the outbreak of stomach problems in Phoenix.

      Severe stomach pain and, to a lesser extent, other GI symptoms lasting from days to weeks.

      The strange thing is that they can come and go.

      They've been severe enough that people are going to the doctor but no diagnosis of flu has been given yet.

      One young man I know lost 20 pounds over a few weeks of this.

      No diagnosis.

      Please tell me that there is NO WAY this could be radiation.

      I am hoping it is a hard-to-diagnose flu.

      Am I over-reacting here?


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      • What-About-The-Kids

        Majia, I would definitely say you are NOT over-reacting. After having spent the last month coughing violently, with a virulent cold virus (sinus infection and bronchitis), I can personally attest to the fact that I have never been so sick in my life. I am only just now starting to get some energy back, but it has been slow going. (Sadly, I am also mourning the passing of my dear mother, so it's been especially difficult for me.)

        Living in Seattle, with relatives and friends in N. and S. California as well, I have heard too many similar health issues this past year which proves to me our health has definitely been adversely affected by Fuku radiation fallout.

        I'll list these issues below, so you can see for yourself the disturbing trend.


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        • What-About…

          I am very sorry that you lost your mother.

          Thank you for sharing your experiences.

          We need to document what we are experiencing.

          In Japan people are monitoring symptoms as well.

          Here is one US based site that is collecting data on symptoms of radiation in Japan
          http://frcsr.blogspot.com/


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          • What-About-The-Kids

            Thank you so much, Majia. I have not had the strength to post this information until now…and debated whether to do so, not wanting to seem like a fear mongerer…but I decided I must act as a witness and testify to what I've experienced and heard, in hopes that it may shed some light and be helpful, especially from an epidemiological standpoint. (Chris Busby has advice on his llrc.org website suggesting people document health issues themselves.)


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        • CB CB

          I'm very sorry for your mothers passing, what a gift she's given us.


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          • What-About-The-Kids

            Thank you so much for your kind words, CB. My mother was a true angel on Earth, and taught me to speak up against injustice. She was an "armchair activist" to the end, writing letters to her congressmen, governor, president! :-)


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            • StillJill StillJill

              Nice comments,….way cool everyone. What-About-The-Kids,…you've held this sorrow alone here,…that must have been quite difficult. I wish I'd met your Mum,….to tell her how much she lives in you!

              Cry now little one,….but,…..you will see your precious Mum again! :-)


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              • What-About-The-Kids

                As always, dear StillJill, your beautiful heart and compassion and empathy shine through. Thank you so much for your kind words. Awww… my mother would be so proud to hear that. I do cherish the beautiful spirit and love of people and nature and the arts which she instilled in me, so she is very much a part of me still. :-) It has been very difficult (struggling to get better, while mourning the loss of my dear mother. A "one-two punch!") :-( And as I am a pretty private person, it feels a bit awkward sharing this sad news here on a public forum, but everyone is so kind and understanding, and because I know many too have suffered losses here along the way, perhaps by my sharing openly, it may help ease others suffering, knowing they are not alone? That would be my wish. :-)


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        • What-About-The-Kids

          1. In April and June last year, during the Fuku fallout, my child had two anaphalaxic type reactions after playing outdoors and after going berry picking. My child had NEVER had any such issues or allergies previously.

          2. At various times since Fuku, I have felt my tongue tingling and my body have strange pulsing pains in various organs and muscles, after eating various foods. They were especially strong last spring/summer, but I also felt like I had eaten hot coals for several weeks in the fall as well. I seem to be always tired and have never felt like this in my life. :-(

          3. In June last year, my elderly mother who was in general good health suffered a stroke and started to show signs of kidney failure…both are symptoms which radiation exposure can cause. My mother lived in the city just next door to Anaheim, which had the highest I-131 levels and Los Angeles (20 miles north) had 1-131 in their drinking water.

          4. My mother and sister (in N. CA) both had pneumonia in January and February. My brother in S. CA had it last year as well. NO ONE in our family has ever had pneumonia.

          5. My niece, her husband and toddler in N. CA all had the same virulent cold bug I had and kept having relapses for over a month. Her husband still was coughing after back-to-back regimen of antibiotics.

          6. My doctor prescribed a double strength antibiotic for my sinus infection/bronchitis and my child's doctor prescribed an ADULT dose for my child…unheard of!


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          • NoNukes NoNukes

            I'm so sorry for your loss, What-About-The-Kids. Your mom sounds wonderful. I'm sorry for all of your family's suffering this year.

            I know at least 5 people in San Francisco with bronchitis that won't clear up. I posted on another thread about pneumonia, and the "flu" that won't go away.

            I agree with you, Sickputer, I think something very nasty happened at the beginning of March/end of Feb. From nuckelchen's videos it looks like it. I'm glad your feeling better.

            Majia, I read on Fukushima Diary (I think) that a doctor said that you can have regular GI issues and you can have regular nosebleeds, but if you have both at the same time it is indicative of radiation sickness. I had both mid-March. My daughter still has the fluid filled rash that bleeds, that CB, StillJill, Bobby1 have also mentioned. I wish that we all were writing from South America right now.


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            • No Nukes

              I hope your daughter recovers quickly.

              There is no pain like a sick child, for a loving parent.

              I saw the March releases in Nuck's videos. The smoke or steam did not look to be from 1-4.

              Not sure where it was from.

              5 or 6 maybe? Or perhaps the common spent fuel pool?

              Maybe something really bad DID happen and that is why they are telling us that something really bad COULD happen.


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              • NoNukes NoNukes

                Majia, that makes sense. Code, then? I've been wondering where our two most famous daughters are right now. I don't believe that they went to Hawaii last winter break. I looked into it a bit, and the stories were all different, about privacy and security. News footage showed just the parents. Those girls are probably the most reliable geiger counters we have.


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            • What-About-The-Kids

              Thank you so much, No Nukes. I am so sorry to hear about your family's health issues too. :-( My sister and her family live in the Bay Area too, and have been having the drug resistent bronchitis issue too,

              I forgot to mention about skin issues. I have always had healthy skin, but since Fuku, I too have had strange blister-like occurrences on isolated spots on my skin, that when lightly scratched, the surface layer comes off easily and leaves red,raw skin exposed. These take weeks to heal in some cases. The first occurred last May, while sitting in the sun and a blister appeared. I scratched it, and the melanin (colored layer) never grew back, but a scar appeared that is basically bumpy, scaley skin. The other strange occurrences include a burned off area of skin on my calf after playing in a January 16 snowfall. I had pants and boots on, so not sure how my skin got exposed…but was shocked later than evening when, while sitting in bed, I looked down to see my raw, red skin exposed…It took several weeks to heal and left scar tissue. Also, several times after taking a shower, a red area will show up on my skin and again, scratching it leaves a red, raw exposed layer of skin underneath. What is going on?


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              • Bobby1

                What-About-The-Kids,

                "Also, several times after taking a shower, a red area will show up on my skin and again, scratching it leaves a red, raw exposed layer of skin underneath. What is going on?"

                That was happening here in October through January. Contaminated tap water. Taking showers and washing dishes caused the red bumps and patches. Also caused the thyroid to swell. It has gotten worse again lately.


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                • What-About-The-Kids

                  Sorry you've noticed this as well. Just happened to me again yesterday morning. I also think it happens sometime after (not immediately) I eat contaminated food, as a part of my skin will just start itching…I can often feel a small bump under the skin where it is itching (like a fatty knot). I can't help wonder if it is one of those lovely isotopes (like cesium) migrating through my body…Strange, huh? :-P


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                  • Bobby1

                    It's not the radiation causing these skin symptoms per se, it's the immune system trying to get rid of it. Actually a sign of health in a way. If you didn't have this going on, they would be accumulating in the body more.


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                    • What-About-The-Kids

                      Wow, thanks for that insight, Bobby1. That's quite a positive way of looking at it! :-) My body's immune system is hard at work, doing it's job. I LIKE that! Thank you. :-)


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                    • Bobby1

                      It's the people who say, "Fukushima, I don't know what you're talking about, I feel perfectly fine".. they're the ones whose bodies do nothing in response to these deadly toxins. They are most at risk.


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                    • NoNukes NoNukes

                      Thanks, Bobby1. That makes sense, I know that Celiacs who have this kind of skin reaction to wheat don't end up with the same intestinal damage as celiacs who don't have dermatitis.

                      You don't think it could be an allergic reaction to the iodine? It is a more mild version of what happened when I put just a little Lugol's on her skin (before I knew of her reaction), so that's why I wonder, I have never seen this before the Lugol's.


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                    • Bobby1

                      NoNukes, it could be iodine, I-131 is definitely what was affecting me a few months ago. I also have a sensitivity to stable iodine (and other metals), but I had to take Lugol's anyway, because the radioactive version was worse.


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                • NoNukes NoNukes

                  That sounds kind of like my daughter's skin. Anytime in the water (even 2-3 minutes) her skin starts to itch, leaving red marks. The thing that helps more than anything is staying out of the water.
                  Her skin also has fluid filled little bumps, after a while they bleed and take a long time to heal. The doctor said dermatitis, but that means nothing. She is allergic to iodine, so is iodine 131 or 129 in the water?


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                  • What-About-The-Kids

                    I wish I could wave a magic wand and make your daughter's skin issues disappear. Maybe like Bobby1 says, the bumps are signs the body's immune system is working hard to clear out any bad stuff. Children seem to bounce back so much quicker than adults, so I hope her skin issues heal soon. :-)

                    Your description of water-filled bumps seems to fit my skin issues as well. They seem fluid-filled, as the skin feels almost moist and that is why the top layer comes off so easily when I scratch it…? Like a blister, I guess.


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                    • Bobby1

                      The top layer is where the iodine, cesium and plutonium is, when the skin comes in contact with radionuclides from air or water. It sloughs off like a snake shedding its skin, or you have got to scratch it, and then it comes off.


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                    • StillJill StillJill

                      Oh crap What-About-The-Kids!

                      The 'watery' thin-skinned blisters????

                      Fuku!


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                    • What-About-The-Kids

                      Fuku is right, StillJill! :-P But Bobby1, I like the way you describe the isotopes being just under the skin's surface, our body pushing them out via the skin. Our bodies truly are miraculous, the way they know just what to do to rid themselves of this stuff. We just need to keep them in good working condition so they have the strength to keep on keepin' on, as the saying goes. ;-)


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                  • Sharp2197 Sharp2197

                    NoNukes I am 50 and grew up in Wyoming and Colorado, I get the same skin problems you describe several times a year, for over 30 years now, I always thought it was allergies, but it may be from down-winders from the nevada testing.


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                    • Sharp2197 Sharp2197

                      Tiny, angry, red bumps that itch like crazy, you scratch till open puss, then bleeding, over a month to heal, the shower feels like fire. and inflames the red dots. 3 to 5 times a year for over 30 years now. I have laid in bed with socks on my hands so I dont scratch myself to death by morning. wishing for the end.


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          • What-About-The-Kids

            Sorry for the break in my reply. I had to pick my child up from practice. :-)

            More incidents to report:

            7. There is a whooping cough epidemic in WA state. Hundreds more cases than last year.

            8. My ex-brother in law in So. CA (inland and north of San Onofre), late 50's, had a heart attack last December (thankfully, he's ok) and was diagnosed with diabetes (again, organ failure and heart attacks & strokes are all possible signs of radiation exposure.)

            9. Friends in WA state had relatives dropping dead out of the blue from heart attacks: a 30-year old, a 50-year old, a friend's mother died suddenly after Fuku last year and a friend's grandmother just had a stroke.

            10. Also in December, I learned of a friend from So. CA who had been in a parent play group with me and my child in LA several years ago died of suddenly of a massive stroke. She was in her late 40's and left two small children. :-(

            Of course, most of you have heard about several celebrities recently dying of sudden heart attacks, including Davy Jones of the Monkees (a strict vegetarian), the controversial conservative blogger (don't remember his name) who dropped dead while walking at midnight near his Brentwood Los Angeles home, and the comic impersonator who died suddenly after returning from a trip to China, and the former N. Korean leader who died of a heart attack. All within the past several months.


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            • NoNukes NoNukes

              What-About-The-Kids,

              Your child's anaphalaxic reactions sound terrifying. How have they been lately?
              My daughter's skin has these little blisters, but not the usual kind, much smaller, they don't seem as painful but itchy.

              I forgot to say that I have has sinus infection since March, it gets better and worse, have a headache right now. My husband had one, but he got rid of it by using a neti pot for the first time, so I have to try that tomorrow.

              The number of strokes and heart attacks in that age range Bobby1 mentions has greatly increased around us. I don't remember hearing about people having strokes and dying in their 40s, but now it seems to be happening often.

              The 20 somethings do not seen to be healthy either, I posted about a surfer who has pneumonia and shingles.

              It is disconcerting, and then also hearing about the celebrities you mention, and others like Olympic swimmer Mark Lenzi. My daughter loves swimming, but now she can't go in the water.

              http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/mark-lenzi-olympic-diving-gold-medalist-dead-43-230644680.html


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              • What-About-The-Kids

                I agree. Don't remember so many relatively younger people getting heart attacks and strokes…

                Thankfully my child has not had any more episodes. I think it must have been related to the Fuku fallout at the time…?


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              • Sharp2197 Sharp2197

                please see my message above, If you have insurance find out what your daughters problem is. This problem has plagued me all my life. my arms and legs are scarred from a lifetime of scratching those little red bumps


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                • NoNukes NoNukes

                  Sharp2197,

                  You are incredibly strong to endure 30 years of this kind of suffering, I'm sorry that you have had to. I did take her to the top dermatologist around, but of course, that day, there weren't a lot of the little blisters, so the dr. said dermatitis because of the rash. The next day she had 7 new blisters! We go back next week, so maybe we will find out more. In my next life, I am going to be a dermatologist, there aren't enough of them around, at least in San Francisco.

                  When I started putting a tiny bit of Lugol's iodine on her skin, the next day her whole body was covered with these tiny bumps and an incredibly itchy rash, it was hard for her to sleep. Allergies to iodine are pretty common, so I wonder if it is causing these rashes. Iodine 129 lasts for millions of years.

                  Sharp, is there any possibility that you are a Celiac? 25% of Celiacs have Dermatitis Herpetiformis, a rash reaction to wheat, but also a blister-like rash reaction to iodine. My daughter has had this a very itchy rash reaction to wheat, but only the really intense blisters with the Lugol's and now water. So, I wonder if maybe you too are celiac, and your system gets overloaded in part by iodine.

                  Celiac is genetic. I ate wheat for 34 years, but stopped when I stopped it for my daughter, and we both were better very quickly. Iodine is increased in certain foods, including those grown in fields that have increased Iodine 129 from fallout

                  http://emedicine.medscape


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                  • NoNukes NoNukes

                    Many people have allergic reactions to iodine, not just celiacs. 25% of Celiacs, in particular, have bad reactions.

                    Overview of Dermatitis Herpetiformis
                    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1062640-overview

                    http://www.celiac.com/articles/177/1/The-Gluten-Intolerance-Group-of-North-America-on-Iodine-and-Dermatitis-Herpetiformis/Page1.html

                    I'm wondering if the problem is Iodine 129, in addition to 131.

                    Also, so many of the better multivitamins have elevated levels of iodine. Obviously kelp, etc. has raised iodine. Dairy has a lot of iodine, this forum page has some links
                    http://www.celiac.com/gluten-free/topic/84546-iodine-in-organic-dairy/

                    It is a catch-22 for me, because she needs iodine to protect her thyroid, but the rash is unbearable.


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                    • NoNukes NoNukes

                      Just ran across this post by Noah:

                      Noah
                      April 4, 2012 at 1:23 pm · Reply
                      Dealing with I-129
                      Lifestyle Changes in a Post 311 World

                      The companion of radioactive iodine 131 is I-129.

                      Long after the 80 day full life of I-131 is over, it's companion, I-129 lingers on with a full life decay cycle of 157 million years.

                      Present in the environment at a 3 to one ratio, to I-131, this hardy isotope remains a real threat to human health.

                      The Noah Family has continued to take protective levels of Potassium Iodine daily, having reached iodine sufficiency sometime during the summer of 2011. Daily maintenance dosage continue to this day because of the persistence of radioactive iodine in the bio-sphere.

                      All life on the planet is being effected by the 311 event. New I-131 & I-129 is being continually produced and released into the environment. I do not foresee an end to this crisis, but more of the same, as the Fukushima nuclear volcano continues to erupt.

                      Ironically, the 311 event has leveled the playing field. All mankind is equally vulnerable to the contamination. Youth, Fame, power, good looks, wealth, offer no particular protection from contamination. Truth coupled with wisdom (correct action) has now become the greatest health advantage in this endless crisis. TO be deceived by lies, means a much shorter life. Those spouting the lies reveal the depth of their own ignorance and delusion. For the first time in history we will see the results of their…


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                    • What-About-The-Kids

                      Thanks for sharing all this excellent info, NoNukes! I think you should check with your child's doctor, as I suspect the rash may indeed be a reaction to Lugol's. Doctors warn not to over-do intake of iodine, probably for reasons such as allergic reactions.

                      I continue to be impressed with Noah's thoughtful (and thought-provoking), intelligent contributions to this forum. Thanks for the repost on his insight into I-129. Certainly gives one some extra food for thought…


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                  • Sharp2197 Sharp2197

                    In the 80's a Dr. gave me steroids.
                    In the late 90's a Dr. gave me Allegra and a tube of Neosporin. The Neosporin just made it worse. It usually flares up when I am outside and sweating. No known food allergies. Good luck at the Dr. next week.


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          • truthseek truthseek

            I had to chime in to this topic… Struck a chord…
            Respiratory tract issues readily resolved with potent proteolytic enzyme.
            I have effectively (most safely) used Bromelain (pineapple) enzyme
            general immunity – - especially respiratory tract infections, colds, flu,
            bronchitis (knock on wood) never personally on pneumonia.

            It is anti-viral, a potent mucolytic and helps to clear
            the chest during periods of profound illness.

            I have notice significant respiratory tract issues
            and lingering among general population.
            I have not felt healthy and worry about
            the topic and what I am seeing.
            and feeling.


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            • NoNukes NoNukes

              Thanks, truthseek, I'm sorry that you have had this, but glad it worked to make you feel better.


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              • truthseek truthseek

                Thx NN, I have taken this (and highly recommended to others) for over 15 years, defiantely every flu season. Working in Las Vegas presently and the environment wreaks havoc on me every time I am here. I packed Bromelain and plan to take for maintainence regardless to protect my (parched) lungs while here


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            • What-About-The-Kids

              So you've seen it to, TruthSeek? May I ask where you are located? In the U.S.? Or another country?

              Thank you for letting me know about the pineapple enzyme. I'm going to see if I can get some grown in either S. America or at least Mexico. As you may know, Hawaii got his pretty hard by Fuku fallout (they found strontium in the milk, etc.), so now I'm concerned about food grown there, including pineapple and sugar. So much of our processed foods have sugar in them, and yet another study that the media highlighted recently showed that sugar is a toxic substance in the body. Well, if it is also irradiated from Fuku fallout, then it really, really must not be good for us to eat.


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              • truthseek truthseek

                W A T K, I saw the news piece about
                cancerous growths feeding on glucose…
                scary by highly plausible

                I live in Chicago, but travel the entire US
                for business, so I feel my exposure is certain…
                In spite of awareness. I cannot easily control
                my diet and aspects of intake.

                In the air, the water, the soil… Damn near
                everything we come in contact with…


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        • I don't know much about hepatitis but when I googled symptoms yellowed eyes seemed prominent.

          I've been really suffering from the stomach pain and loss of appetite but no joint soreness or host of other symptoms.

          My energy level is relatively low, but not as if I had a
          typical flu.

          I don't think it is hepatitis.

          Probably a virus that is tenacious but not know-you-down.

          I hope.


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          • Bobby1

            There has been a flu virus going around in Maryland, very bad, almost everyone has come down with it. It killed some people. My son had a 104 fever for a week, a friend came down with pneumonia from it. Another one has come around this past week. My ex has got the bad stomach pain from this one. I have gotten ear infections and major arthritis flareups from both of them.


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            • Bobby1

              I looked up our county flu stats and Influenza A H1N1 is going around here again.

              Your son may have had H1N1. It is nasty and my youngest son had it twice.

              We all had the H1N1 2 years go (or whenever that was prevalent). High fever was the marker.

              The stomach thing has no fever.

              Are you confident it is a flu? I hope so!


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              • Bobby1

                majia, it sounds like the "flu" but I can't say for sure!

                Back last April I was getting stomach cramps, nausea, and low grade fever, but also rashes, metal mouth and other symptoms, it was pretty obvious it wasn't the flu.


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              • Bobby1

                I've got some proteinuria develop lately though, that probably is from radioisotopes affecting the kidneys, along with general fatigue and fibro symptoms, which is from the immune system being affected.


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                • Bobby1

                  I'm so sorry you are not well.

                  What a nightmare this has become.


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                  • Bobby1

                    majia, that's OK. This has been going on since I was a two-week old fetus 58 years ago. Fuku is just a change of degree, quantity not quality. I'm used to this. But you need to take care and get better.


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                    • What-About-The-Kids

                      Bobby1, please take good care of yourself. As you know, those of us with compromised immune systems are more susceptible to radiation.

                      I have a question for you: I know that last year, you had done a lot of work researching CDC stats, etc. Have you looked at them lately. I'm curious to see if the statistics corroborate my own observations and anecdotal evidence I've been hearing about increased strokes and heart attacks along the West Coast (WA to CA) since 3/11. I'm very interested to see if there has been an increase. Not necessarily in number of deaths (though I'm guessing so), but rather, increases in OCCURRENCES of heart attacks and strokes…


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                    • Bobby1

                      The CDC mortality data I looked at wasn't broken down into heart attacks and strokes, just influenza and pneumonia (which were increased). But it seems likely that those conditions were a part of it. Early on, it seemed to affect 65 and older the most, but it transitioned to the 25-44 age range toward the end of the year. It affected the mountain states from Montana down to Arizona more early, but by November and December, the west coast from Washington down to California was worst.


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                    • What-About-The-Kids

                      Ah, interesting, Bobby. My child's school and sports team, etc. in WA state all got the virus (some stomach flu, some like us, cold virus/respiratory issues) just in the past couple of months, so looks like the viruses migrated into the various state per the time table you mentioned.


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              • truthseek truthseek

                H5N1 man made super bug. Exacerbated by toxic environment.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reassortment


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      • Sickputer

        No you are not mistaken…this GI "flu" is strange. I have it myself… Been sick for three to four weeks. I blame it on the bad fallout in the first three weeks of March. I have gone to some new and varied herbal remedies and actually feel much better today for the first time in three weeks. Had some killer headaches also and heard a lot of anecdotal discussion about similar headaches.

        Could be also my improvement is because the haze has been less for several days now. The thing is I have been indoors a lot with HEPA filters and had safe foods. Very little outside traveling. Had a very weird sensation today in my upper side torso area today just for 4 or 5 minutes. Kinda unnerved me a bit because it was painful, dizzying, but not in a vascular way. Seemed in my muscles and all I could think was maybe this is what cesium feels like when it bioaccumulates in your muscles. Felt better in five minutes.

        Rarely drink, but I am enjoying an Argentina beer tonight. Tasted pretty good…not as much bioaccumulation has hit the pampas yet. ;-)

        Hang in there kiddo… We may be the wslking dead, but we aren't goners yet. Just think how bad it must be for the Luddite Lambs who haven't made any lifestyle changes. They are the Dropping Dead I read about on the huge obit page every day.


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        • If these really are symptoms of radiation, then we are in huge trouble.

          What I've read is that people who actually get severe nausea and diarrhea from radiation exposure are likely to die if they do not get treatment. Die within a year.

          The symptoms I am seeing around me and experiencing are not severe, severe but they are driving people to the doctor.

          My best is that it is just a flu.

          If I discover that these symptoms are truly from radiation, and not some virus or bacteria, I am going to leave my house and my job and flee with my kids to South America.


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          • Sickputer

            Proving Japanese radiation is causing sickness in America is very difficult to prove. Numbers fudged at Radnet to confuse the masses, doctors who know virtually nothing about radiation symptoms much less treatment, and when a killer is invisible you have zero chance of proof.

            Let me predict what will happen in America if Unit 4 drops, burns out of control, drives all the workers away and the CSFP building and Units 1, 2, 3 and 5 and 6 burn out of control.

            US local, state, and federal response: What a terrible tragedy in Japan, but the distance is great and the ocean will dilute the worst of the radiation. No need to panic, we may need to ramp up our fracturing mining for oil and natural gas. We will phase out our nuclear plants over 30 years and look at solar and wind power options. That is all… have a nice day and think happy thoughts.


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            • Yes, that is what will happen.

              I think those of us paying attention will be able to determine whether we are suffering more acute radiation symptoms if strange symptoms fail to go away and/or if they spread across our social networks, without resolving.

              However, since strange symptoms are pretty routine, we must be careful not to confuse normal health conditions with Fukushima effects.

              I figure that if these stomach problems do not go away in another week or two for me personally, then I am going to be really worried, especially because that does seem to be an evolving pattern (as Sickputer reports as well).

              I know not to wait for anything official…

              I'm not trying to alarm anyone but I think we need to pay attention and share what we see and learn


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              • Bobby1

                Ordinary viruses can wreak much more havoc on us due to our weakened immune systems. It's not necessarily "just a virus"…. radiation can harm the body's response to viruses and bacteria.


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                • Yes I agree that the radiation is definitely making people susceptible to infection.

                  I am confident on that.

                  However, as I understand it, the stomach problems do not manifest after relatively recent exposure UNLESS the exposure was pretty darn HIGH, and when that happens the effects are going to be life threatening.

                  What I'm trying to say is that I know Fukushima is going to kill millions slowly.

                  The question is, how many people are going to succumb from more acute radiation syndrome.

                  I did not expect that to happen in the US and still hope it doesn't but we need to monitor…


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                  • What-About-The-Kids

                    I agree with Bobby1, that ordinary viruses can wreak more havoc on those whose immune systems have been compromised by radiation exposure.

                    But also let's not forget the fact that radiation affects things on the genetic level as well. In other words, what are usually "typical" seasonal cold and flu viruses can themselves become more virulent by the radiation they've been exposed to mutating.

                    So not only have our immune systems been compromised and having a harder time fighting illnesses, they are having an even harder time fighting newer, more virulent strains of bacteria and viruses.


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                • truthseek truthseek

                  Face it we are all respiratorily challenged
                  on multiples of levels. I have faced all of
                  what has been mentioned here.

                  We are in this together…
                  Unfortunately.


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                  • StillJill StillJill

                    I'll face it Monday. They took 6 vials of blood out of me today. You are right truthseek,….'we' are all carrying a piece of Fuku. Just like 'we' are with Chernobyl.

                    Tick tock,…tick tock,…..


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                    • truthseek truthseek

                      Oh SJ I am sorry for your suffering

                      …everyone speaking out here…
                      I am really kind of rattled by this.


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                    • What-About-The-Kids

                      Dear StillJill, I am saying a prayer for you to continue to heal this weekend. I will be thinking of you on your next doctor appointment. May all the cleansing you've been doing make your doc impressed by the positive results! :-) Big hugs! Sweet dreams!


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                    • What-About-The-Kids

                      Truthseek, I hope you find comfort knowing we are all here trying to support one another. We certainly don't wish to "rattle" anyone. Please note that none of us are doctors and we are only offering our anecdotal observations and experiences in hopes we may learn from this sharing of information. But take heart, as we do not have proof at this point that Fuku is causing any or all of our symptoms. Some may be completely unrelated. We just wanted to share what we know in hopes it may be helpful.


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                    • truthseek truthseek

                      It's ALL interrelated.

                      No worries, I find peace
                      sharing in this community,
                      feel fortunately to have
                      this family here.

                      My father was an MD,
                      mother and 2 sisters
                      are nurses… I am keenly
                      informed (many here are)
                      It's part of my DNA


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                    • truthseek truthseek

                      I love you guys…. And gals…


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                    • NoNukes NoNukes

                      StillJill,

                      Please keep us posted about the lab work, I have a good feeling about it! I hope that your skin has been healing, too.


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        • What-About-The-Kids

          Sickputer, I hope you are feeling better soon. I remember you have had health issues on and off this past year. Sending healing wishes your way. :-)


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  • CB CB

    ALERT….ALERT…. MAJIA NEEDS A HUG!!!!


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    • a hug or a plane ticket or both?

      :)


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      • Sickputer

        Or a winning Megamillions ticket. I would be drinking my Argentina beer from the tap at the local watering hole. The problem with emigrating as a refugee is that you can't take all the family tree…to really do it right you need enough money to take 20 to 100 family members with you. That would be some serious big bucks. The Japanese can attest to the fact it is possible for middle class folks to emigrate, but only the very wealthy can manage to take most or all of the family tree.

        It would be very interesting to me as a historian to get firm data about the demographics for the past 13 months of emigration from Japan. It has been significant and very under reported.


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    {{{What-About-The-Kids & majia}}} :)

    "There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of weakness, but of power. They speak more eloquently than ten thousand tongues. They are messengers of overwhelming grief…and unspeakable love" – Washington Irving


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    • CB CB

      There are no better words for Majia, but of power, witch speaks more eloquently than ten thousand tongues. Yup yup.


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    • What-About-The-Kids

      Thank you so much, MaidenHeaven. That is so beautiful. I finally was able to steal some time away by myself today to sit on a bench on a dock on our nearby lake and in the beautiful silence and stillness, my heart was able to open up and shed some of those tears in remembrance of my beautiful mother. It was a beautiful moment which I so desperately needed and cherished so much. We don't seem to get enough "alone time" these days in our busy, over-scheduled lives. The day was gorgeous, clear blue skies (not a chemtrail plane in sight!) and warm sunlight and a gentle cool breeze. It just doesn't get much better here in Seattle. :-)


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Good,…majia's still joking around,…she'll be fine, eh? :-)


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  • CB CB

    Majia, I haven't seen the whites of your eye yet, you have so much more to go.


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  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    I saw three small children at my neighbor's house for the first time this evening. My thought was that maybe they had immigrated from Japan. The children were very happy.


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    • What-About-The-Kids

      Wouldn't that be wonderful, Anne? I wish I could wrap my arms around all the dear children in Japan who have been affected by this tragedy and help protect them and help them find new, safe, happy homes, far, far away from the dangers of radiation.


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  • hbjon hbjon

    Have you ever had a splinter? Your body sends the troops out to surround it and create a barrier between you and the splinter. Ultimately, filling the area with puss and fluid that allows the splinter to flush out and exit the body. Pimples seem to be the result of your immune system ridding the body of very tiny non-self particles that natural killer cells have located, consumed, and created a protective barrier between the self and non-self entities. The whole process is very elegant and miraculous, especially how the body creates a pimple to discharge the material and subsequently heal the damaged tissue.


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  • I did some investigation this morning on the stomach flu thing.

    I did find an outbreak of food poisoning in Japan linked to a Norovirus
    http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/68-people-suffer-food-poisoning-at-new-otani-hotel-in-tokyo

    Noroviruses do have the symptoms we are seeing in Phoenix:
    http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/04/cdc-flu-stats-for-week-ending-april-7.html

    POSSIBILITIES:

    A. This is normal outbreak.

    B. Radiation has weakened our immune systems making us more vulnerable to norovirus.

    C. Radiation has made a norovirus more virulent.

    D. Both B and C

    E. Norovirus is a cover for something else

    ????

    The symptoms that people describe above of the bronchial and sinus problems may be caused by two influenza A strains that are dominant right now, H3 and H1N1.

    Again, radiation exposure could reduce our immunity or capacity to cope with these viruses, which can be detected by a blood test

    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

    I've been using the Netti pot twice daily and it has kept sinus infections at bay. It will also rinse any radioactive dust or pollen out of your sinuses but make sure your water is purified.


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