Published: August 13th, 2011 at 9:58 am ET
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Professor’s anger at lawmakers creates buzz on Internet, SHUKAN ASAHI WEEKLY MAGAZINE, August 13, 2011:
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[...] Tatsuhiko Kodama, 58, who heads the Radioisotope Center at Todai, was called to provide expert testimony before the Lower House Health, Labor and Welfare Committee on July 27. [...]
Besides being a doctor of internal medicine, Kodama is also an expert on internal radiation exposure. His background made even more shocking the testimony he provided in the Diet. [....]
Kodama explained the horrifying results of those calculations at the committee session.
“The equivalent of 29.6 times of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, or in terms of uranium about 20 atomic bombs, were released by the accident,” Kodama said. “While the remaining radiation from atomic bombs decreases to one-thousandth of the original level after a year, radioactive materials from the nuclear power plant only decrease to one-tenth the original level.” [...]
Published: August 13th, 2011 at 9:58 am ET
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Nice guy… I wonder about his decontamination efforts (barrels to T city of cesium- contaminated [what?..soil, gutter debris?]. I am a proponent of the new fibrous plant decontamination strategy as used in Chernobyl, not disturbing top soil and blowing it around everywhere. But I’m a non-scientist so what do O know?
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Dear Sick: I’m with you on using the plant material as it has a number of advantages, including the very factual, common sense one you mentioned: don’t make dust! Soil is where the highest contamination would be for a variety of reasons. However, the source of radiation most neglected, I believe, is in ingestibles–food, particularly dairy, fish and other meats. But the food things is another topic.
Back to flora remediation of radiologically contaminated soils. Maybe locally the soil removal method is about the time frame, lack of overall planning and coordination from the central government in getting any assistance. Therefore, the children need a place to play outdoors in the minds of parents. So, they are simplistically thinking, but with motivation of providing “normalcy” to their children, that soil removal is best as it’s more timely, but not necessarily safer in the short time frame, particularly for those removing the contaminated soil. There locally, there may also be valid or not concerns about possible percolation, depending on the soil profiles at different horizons above water tables, of radionuclides entering drinking water and irrigation water supplies. I’m still not well educated about how radionuclides move through different sorts of soil horizons. Again, another topic, I wonder how the FD R’s corium is interacting (dividing into too-small for fissioning ramifications, we can only hope?) with soils beneath that facility.
The flora-based remediation for radionuclides in the soil has advantages though: a) less potential for dust as it is probably correctly assumed that the highest concentrations of radionuclides from fallout remain, as shown in videos, in the top several inches of topsoils. b) the potential for further bio-remediation methods to deal with the contaminated initial flora-based remediation product, such as using fungus to organically break down the contaminated initial plant matter, which final product (stretching here, since I don’t know) might be more easily lysed and industrially centrifuged (the only relatively non-toxic way to separate radionuclides–chemical methods are hyper-toxic chemically) to extract the radionuclide components for proper, and more efficiently concentrated (space wise) storage in long-term dry-inert neutron inhibiting-gas metal storage casks…c) VERY important though it seems a side issue, we have the practical need for most humans to learn how to interact with ecological systems for everything anyway, given anthropogenic climate change and mass extinctions (quotidian ecological stewardship/biomimicry strategies applied where possible/bioremediatio where possible of human toxic wastes and other abatement of human toxic tech-related waste products of our illogical–given finite ecosystem–1760-present industrial/capitalist systems)…d) an aesthetic component to working with plants that might have a range of physiologically and psychologically therapeutic benefits for the humans working to remediation in territory that is salvageable.
I feel that all humans should be moved out of Tohoku, entirely. I also feel that much of Tokyo is uninhabitable and, if not now, much or most of it will be after several years of perpetual emissions of radiologic compounds, aerosolized or not when combined with the generally heavy rainfall (contamination) of Japan. I do not support, especially, elimination of the exclusion zone. It’s ponderously stupefying in its gall for the government/nuke industry to manipulate such a radically bad idea as rehabilitation or sloppy, hasty and generally blind resettlement of geographic areas that are many times more contaminated than even the former U.S.S.R. was initially post Chernobyl. The Politburo, not known for being humanitarian, did not allow such genocidal ideation of ongoing habitation of such highly contaminated areas after Chernobyl! The lack of land space is not valid as an excuse. What kinds of experiments are our filthy billionaire overlords plus military/covert heads doing with this situation? It’s a mess. Anyway, I love horticulture and viscerally enjoy the idea of using flora soil abatement methods. Thanks for bringing up the topic.
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some rad tips for gardening in these times
http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/radiation-gardening/
recap of mushroom radiation remediation http://punkrockpermaculture.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/paul-stamets-on-radiation-contamination-around-fukushima/
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Going there next!
I am a major gardener!
Harvested and canned and pickled dill beans today.
Cut the Marjoram and Thyme and hung to dry.
Sliced two dehydrators of summer apples to dry today.
Tomorrow is the apple sauce and Oregano!
AND one correction from me:
It is not arsenic that is prevalent in zeolite and bentonite, it is aluminium. I got my A’s mixed up.
Please check out this web site. 129 pages of free down-loadable anti-radiation diets and food.
http://meditationexpert.com/RadiationDetox/
please read and spread the word.
As we will probably not go out with a bang but with a whimper…
We might as well still be strong enough to YELL about it!
Health and well being.
Do not fall into despair.
‘They’ are counting on that.
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Wow. Brilliant comment.
I’ve told people for a couple of months now that Tokyo is inhabitable. Sounds strange and overreactive but truth is funny that way.
Wondering what you would think about fish in the Pacific Northwest. I think they’re inedible already.
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Sorry… IPhone fingers… But O does express my existential state of angst lately.
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I nominate him for best rant of the year, perhaps the decade.
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We’re practicing recycling I see.
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Isnt it 2000 atomic bombs?? thats what tacoma came up with i think.
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I also read in
2000 500kT atomic bombs! 70 billion lethal doses and more on the way!
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/bobnichols
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Fukushima: How Many Chernobyls Is It?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/28/fukushima-how-many-chernobyls-is-it/
“Note that the lethality of radioactive reactor cores goes up the first 250,000 years they are out of the reactor – not down….
“Three thousand billion (3,000,000,000,000) Lethal Doses of Radiation means there are 429 Lethal Doses chasing each and every one of us on the planet, to put it in a nutshell. This is up from about 70 Billion Lethal Doses March 23, 2011. It is getting worse everyday without any intervention by the US and the other nuclear powers.”
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Yes, that was Veterans Today that came up with 2,000 –500 kiloton [atomic?] bombs.
Easily googleable.
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Dear TheWorld: You are correct, there is disinformation afoot (not just ignorance) in that article of the intentional “MINIMIZATION”-sort that seems to be the main laying on layers of lavender method of the government and nuke industry with this event. Unfortunately, this strategy, combined with others, seems to be working for the hierarchical heads most responsible for this mess to take all revolutionary torque away from citizens.
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Yes Pallas,…did you hear that Bart shut off cell phone tower reception today, or was it yesterday, in SF,…to stop a ‘flash mob’ deal-e-o?
It’s on yahoo this AM,..lower lead,…
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Big Brother Shuts Off Cell Phone Towers to Prevent Protests – San Francisco
http://battlefieldamerica.wordpress.com/2011/08/13/government-shuts-off-cell-phone-towers-to-stop-protests-san-francisco/
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Dear Anne: Thank you very much!
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Dear Still: THAT is very interesting on the local Bay Area front. wow!! I have a friend who has a theory that Controlled Demolition, Inc.(of 911, OK City, Minneapolis bridge “collapse”)–I have NOT verified this–might have been associated with our very needed earthquake retrofit of BART lately, as well. So, whether or not the shutting off of BART cell-phone repeater tower is associated with undermining a flash-mob event or not, it could still be practice for a Bay Area false flag event as has been seen in London, Madrid, Moscow, Mumbai, etc., over the years. I hope the story YOU mentioned gets out. I haven’t checked the local media yet to see if it is out.
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The 35W bridge fell because of a gusset plate failure. The bridge was old and was scheduled to be replaced in 5 years or there about. The bridge design was horse shit, more traffic and heavier traffic used it daily than it was ever designed for. The thing was rust as hell. Take a peek on you tube and look at the Stillwater lift bridge. That sucker is about to fall also.
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Dear StPaul: No, it had a safety rating on the bridge civil engineering scale of 25/50, which sounds bad but is completely serviceable and does not even remotely indicate imminent collapse. Here in the Bay Area of California, we have a large number of daily well travelled steel-structure bridges of design inferior to that of B9340 MN that are falling apart but used anyway. One such is the Dumbarton Bridge, which has, I believe, a “1/50 rating” and the Bay Bridge, used by 10′s of thousands of commuters every day is way less than 25. Those kinds of structures simply don’t demolish themselves or collapse in that manner, rusty or not. However, parts could have fallen off of it–but that most likely would not have led to a collapse. We have that problem, falling bridge pieces (even w/o earthquakes) with fair frequency in the Bay Area. A 5-ton bracket recently (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/engineering/infrastructure/4335323) fell due to the shaking/vibration caused by new speed reduction rumble strips, plus the usual wind and auto traffic sourced vibration and shaking of the Bay Bridge (San Francisco/Oakland). These rumble strips cause one problem far bigger than they solve by dramatically increasing vibration on the Bay Bridge. Of course, they are meant to alert motorists to the need to follow the reduced speed limit so that cars and trucks don’t go flying off the bridge (also happened and fatal, though mostly just flipped cars and not fatal)around a curve here after a temporary change was made in the bridge as we are, fortunately, finally having a replacement constructed to be finished in 2013. The new jog or “S-curve” in the old bridge was to avoid, really and believe it or not, shading by the bridge during construction of DEAD Admiral Nimitz’ historic home on Yerba Buena island! What could another life or two hurt when such a person had murdered thousands or more when they were alive preserving the world for billionaires, capitalism and nuclear power. (http://kron4.net/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/3804/reftab/536/Default.aspx?ContainerSrc=GContainers%2F_default%2FNo+Container&SkinSrc=GSkins%2F_default%2FNo+Skin&dnnprintmode=true)
I recommend you study Controlled Demolition, Inc., which I believe is a local company to Minnesota, more deeply in the various contexts that I’ve indicated.
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There’s an important video coming out in September 2011 where 300 or so scientists, architects and engineers have concluded that 911 was without a doubt a controlled demolition.
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@ Pallas…
I’m in Berkeley and heard it on either ABC or CBS local evening news at 6 PM. I’m a little fuzzy on the details as I multi-task while the TV is on, but the story was about Flash Mob activities.
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Thank you very much
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@ Pallas…
And it’s front page – Chronicle. and you get lots of references when you google the title.
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thank you
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Thanks Anne,…took me a few minutes to get locked and loaded on that one! Way to go!
This one says, “Bart admits it shut off phones to block protest”!
BART admits halting cell service to stop protests
Michael Cabanatuan, Chronicle Staff Writer
Saturday, August 13, 2011
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BART police officers are out in force Thursday to prevent any disruptions from a protest sponsored by “No Justice, No BART” group. The protest did not materialize during the evening commute.
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BART’s shut-off of subterranean cell phone service in its downtown San Francisco stations may have prevented a protest Thursday, but it sparked accusations Friday that the action stifled free speech and smacked of the kind of government intrusion employed by Middle East dictators.
“All over the world, people are using mobile devices to protest oppressive regimes, and governments are shutting down cell phone towers and the Internet to stop them,” said Michael Risher, a staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California. “It’s outrageous that in San Francisco, BART is doing the same thing.”
BART officials acknowledged Friday afternoon that they had switched off the transit system’s underground cell phone network, which runs from Balboa Park Station through the Transbay Tube, from 4 to 7 p.m. Thursday to prevent protesters from coordinating plans to stop trains.
A cluster of groups under the “No Justice, No BART” banner said on websites that they planned to protest the fatal July 3 shooting of a knife-wielding man, Charles Blair Hill, by BART police. Protesters briefly shut down the Civic Center, Powell Street and 16th Street Mission stations July 11. Trains ran through the stations without stopping.
“Organizers planning to disrupt BART service stated they would use mobile devices to coordinate their disruptive activities and communicate about the location and number of BART Police,” the transit agency said. “A civil disturbance during commute times at busy downtown San Francisco stations could lead to platform overcrowding and unsafe conditions for BART customers, employees and demonstrators.”
A ‘recipe for disaster’
Contrary to some speculative reports, BART did not jam wireless signals or ask cell phone providers to shut down towers near stations. BART owns and controls the wireless network strung through its subways, and BART police ordered it switched off, after receiving permission from BART interim General Manager Sherwood Wakeman, former general counsel for the transit district.
Benson Fairow, BART’s deputy police chief, said he decided to switch off the service out of concern that protesters on station platforms could clash with commuters, create panicked surges of passengers, and put themselves or others in the way of speeding trains or the high-voltage third rails.
“It was a recipe for disaster,” he said. “The fact that they started to conspire to commit illegal actions on the station platform was our concern. I asked myself: If my wife, mother or daughter was on that platform, would I want them to be in that situation?”
Civil libertarians questioned the constitutionality of BART’s decision and predicted legal action, or at least serious investigation by the Federal Communications Commission.
“The most pertinent right in question is the right to free expression,” said Kevin Bankston, senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital rights advocacy group. “BART makes the point that a few years ago you couldn’t even use your cell phone in the stations, but that’s beside the point. At this point, they have made a policy of allowing it on the platform.
“To withdraw that ability to express yourself … under a desire to prevent particular political speech between protesters was a shocking disregard of the free speech rights of every BART passenger and, indeed, was a prior restraint on any expressive activity they would otherwise have engaged in.”
Question of control
While BART owns and controls the wireless network in its tunnels, it might not have the right to shut it off to halt a protest, ACLU’s Risher said.
“Once BART opens a forum for expression, their authority to close it down becomes a little more limited,” he said. “As far as I know, no governmental entity in this country has ever done anything like this.”
BART spokesman Jim Allison said this was the first time the transit agency shut down the underground wireless system because of public safety concerns.
Fairow said that BART considered the free speech implications posed by the cell phone shutdown but decided that those rights were outweighed by the need to protect the public.
“It’s the constant juggle,” he said. “The courts have ruled that some inconvenience is OK (to protect free speech) but the courts have also ruled that public safety takes priority.”
BART allows free speech – from protesting to proselytizing – outside the paid areas of stations. But it’s not suitable inside the fare gates, and especially on the train platforms, he said.
But even some BART riders thought the tactic seemed very un-Bay Area.
“We don’t want the government turning off cell phones in Syria, and we don’t want them turning off cell phones here,” said Patricia Shean, 72, of San Francisco. “We deal with things differently here.”
Chronicle staff writer James Temple contributed to this report. E-mail Michael Cabanatuan at mcabanatuan@sfchronicle.com.
This article appeared on page A – 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/12/BAEU1KMS8U.DTL#ixzz1UvTEt1fu
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Even worse is the implication that BART had received the information ahead of time. Were they spying on cell phones users?
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i think i can verify that in the uk, the phones are being tracked unless you own a blackberry! i think, otherwise they are tracked if you are “of interest” ! suspect if they are doing it in a widespread way in the uk, they must be doing it in the usa and japan etc too!
it seems the rule of law has become someone elses law!! if they reinstate human rights, peacefull negotiations, privacy and put the real bad bankers in prison etc i think we may have something to leave our children, i say might!
so to be clear…we on enenews, as well as other nuke activists (i use the term in its BROADEST sense here) as well as a plethora of terrorist type people, are monitored.. they can trace you to a specific building, listen to your calls and even recieve your outgoing call to talk to you to glean info or scare you..
and they can trace your goings on in real time, probaly from the server end!
this is my recent experience in the uk and ive already posted about that!
but the more of us there are the more information overload they get! and maybe thats the straetegy to overcome this all consuming technology…mass postings from as many sources…it hasnt happened yet but i think it will eventually! that will make things harder….we will have strength in numbers!! ever the pessamist
love light and peace peeps!
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P89J typed these pixels: ” I’m still not well educated about how radionuclides move through different sorts of soil”
SP:
I read that at Chernobyl they found cesium did not travel much below 6 cm over decades from the initial deposit on top. On my phone traveling again so I can’t locate the source for that tidbit.
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Physicians for Social Responsibility Press Conference 4/26/11
Dr. Jeff Patterson, DO, at 7:30 of the video reported Cesium levels have not declined as anticipated [25 years after the accident at Chernobyl].
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkYCWTpUuLU
reported at:
http://enenews.com/report-cesium-levels-around-chernobyl-declined-anticipated-video
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20 years after Chernobyl – The ongoing health effects -
http://www.ippnw-students.org/chernobyl/powerpoint.html
“Cesium 137 is absorbed by the human body through the food chain. Cesium stays for decades in the upper levels of the soil, where plants have their roots. Through the plants, the nuclides enter animals which are then consumed by humans….
“In total, more than half of the food in the region is produced locally by people who grow their own vegetables and offer it at the local markets. The radioactive contamination of these privately grown crops is ten times higher than that of kolkhoz produce.
“The reason is that kolkhozes apply Potassium and Calcium fertilizer which saturate the mineral needs of the plants and in turn cause them to absorb less radioactive substances. However, several kolkhozes lie directly near the Death Zone. The region used to be the most fertile area of Belarus, described as a granary from which, until today, crops are exported into the whole country.
“How does radioactivity affect the body?
“The effects of high doses of radiation, meaning upwards of 0.5 sievert, is pretty well known from the experiences with the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Acute is the outbreak of the so called radiation disease with following symptoms:
- Within hours to days, the immune system is shut down and infections start to show,
- the blood count changes, and uncontrollable bleedings occurs,
- the gastrointestinal tract is affected and the person has to vomit,
- other internal organs, such as the central nervous system, are also harmed.
“From a doses of 1 to 2 Sv, a fifth of the affected die, at 7 Sv the rate of survival is zero….
“But since then end of the 1990s we can see a paradigm shift in the scientific community. There is an increase in scientific studies which allude to the alarming consequences of low radiation exposure. Molecular biologists report that the effects of low radiation on the genetic makeup are not apparent at first but manifest themselves after multiple cell divisions and are thus transfused to the following generations. This is what they call “genomic instability”….
“The Ukrainian Embassy announced in Spring of 2005 that today, 94 percent of the Liquidators are sick.
“According to the Ukrainian agency “Tschernobyl Interinforum”, 84 percent of the 3 million people who were exposed to radioactivity in the Ukraine are sick (weak cardiovascular system, diseases of the respiratory tract, adenoids, and digestive organs)….”
“This Power Point Presentation was designed to be held in front of medical student audiences, but can be adapted to other target groups as well.
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Please download the ppt-file and use the attached script when giving public presentations….”
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Chernobyl at Ten: Half-lives and Half Truths
http://www.ratical.org/radiation/Chernobyl/Chernobyl@10p2.html
“Cesium-137 contamination is probably Chernobyl’s most devastating and ominous consequence. The body can’t distinguish cesium from potassium, so it’s taken up by our cells and becomes an internal source of radiation. Cesium-137 is a gamma emitter and its half-life of 30 years means that it stays in the soil, to concentrate in the food chain, for over 300 years. While iodine-131 remains radioactive for six weeks, cesium-137 stays in the body for decades, concentrating in muscle where it irradiates muscle cells and nearby organs.[16]
“Strontium-90 is also long-lived and, because it resembles calcium, is permanently incorporated into bone tissue where it may lead to leukemia.
“The Soviets acknowledged in 1986 that the influence of cesium-137 on cancer death rates would be nine times that of iodine-131. They said that the effects of strontium-90 would “perhaps have, along with cesium-137, the most important meaning.”[17] ….
“What everyone does know about nuclear reactors is that they have a record of whole-earth poisoning, and that their potential for more of the same is considered acceptable — authorized in advance. This potential, for unlimited and uncontrollable radiation “accidents,” has been deliberately developed, promoted, protected, ignored and then denied, or forgotten….”
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There are a large number of ‘officials’ in Japan, in government, academia, and the nuclear industry, who should all be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and also pursued in civil courts for the damages they caused or contributed to, in the coverup, lying, and criminal negligence of which they are guilty.
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DOUBLE SPEAK ALERT
Saturday, Aug. 13, 2011 Locals’ radiation exposure said low
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110813x2.html
Tests on Fukushima residents find dosages safely under limit
Kyodo
Tests conducted by Minamisoma on about 900 residents showed low levels of internal radiation exposure and no one required immediate treatment, despite the city’s proximity to the leaking Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant, municipal officials said Saturday.
When converted to exposure over the next 50 years, one resident measured just above 1 millisievert of radioactive cesium, while tests on most of the other residents revealed exposure of 0.1 millisievert or less, they said. The maximum radiation exposure limit for a person not involved in nuclear-related work is 1 millisievert per year.
WHEN CONVERTED TO EXPOSURE OVER 50 YEARS!
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@ JiLL M ClarKsoN: Thanx so much 4 the encouragement…But I must say that ‘ALL’ of you fine people in this ‘Forum’ right here right now…have just been handed…the ‘Opportunity’ to enlighten the masses by taking ‘MyCaLzMuVeeZ’ Specifically the _’FuK_U_ShiMA’ and ‘PorT_CaLhoUN’_ ViDz_ViRaL_. These 2 short ‘DoCuMeNtArIeZ’ are an easy way to get your ‘foot in the door’ and leave the interpretation that you wish to convey…and were the ‘Soul_Inspiration’ of a person who has access to ‘iNsIdErCoNtAcTz’ and is currently fending off some very vicious attacks for even ‘Releasing’ these ‘ViDz’ in the first place…”ReMeMbEr”_’ItZ_uP_2_U_’__
“MuChLoVeAlWaYz” ‘MD’
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WhOOpZ__Ha_Ha_ this was supposed to go on the ‘WeeKlY_FoRuM’ page but it ‘somehow’ got pasted here instead…hmmm…’DiVinE_InTeRvEnTioN’ ??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX2IqcnCrKY
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Webpage updated for the last 3 days. Again apologies to readers…
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If you haven’t seen this report on the health effects of chernoby, check it out
http://www.nirs.org/reactorwatch/accidents/chernob_report2011webippnw.pdf
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umm…I think the scientist here…is low-balling it…not intentionally….perhaps he forgot to add in the secret nuclear arms factory in the basement.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/02/fukushima-radiation-1000-times-h-bomb-peak-2/
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The Heart of the Rose is very grateful for VeteransToday…
They continue to tell the truth….fearlessly.
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Ditto!
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http://youtu.be/MaQgkERHuNY
This just in.
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Maybe fog, who knows? Whatever it is, I bet it’s radioactive.
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Zirconium fire? To me it looked very much like something was burning very, very hot! Notice how it gets so bright towards the end of the video. Perhaps it was another inadvertent recriticality event. Oh God!
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Here is the whole video. Just before it changes to night black and white the setting sun makes everything look red.
http://www.youtube.com/fuku1live#p/u/23/-lfvFj9StUA
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lolol…ah hell no ..that’s steam.
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Yeah. Don’t sweat it. It’s “just” steam. Radioactive steam, but just “steam”…..
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Meantime ..in Manchester…
http://boingboing.net/2011/08/12/uk-riots-manchester-police-embrace-social-media%e2%80%94we-said-we-were-coming-for-you.html
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I have to wonder what is up with the consistent high reading in Pheonix from http://www.radiationnetwork.com/
They have been in the 50′s for at least several days and just jumped to 75.
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Maybe the plants are leaking, or they are letting radioactive steam out, or the jet stream has moved in with some radioactive things?
Wish all plants would close down.
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>I have to wonder what is up with the consistent high reading in Phoenix from http://www.radiationnetwork.com/
They have been in the 50′s for at least several days and just jumped to 75.
Heck…those Arizona folks are just pikers! *;-) Try averaging nearly 400 CPM for the past 24 hours in Amarillo with a high of 543:
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/sickputer/Fukushima%20Daiichi/AmarilloCPMAugust13.jpg
I will have an analysis later about RadNet CPM readings and how they correlate to yearly exposure rates.
SP
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What happened to 100 CPM is the alert level?
Radiation Network says today that we are 59 so far
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Near Phoenix is the largest nuclear plant in the US with multiple reactors.
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@anne
Well, that explains the high readings posted by sickputer.
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Ive read once where one reactor is equal to thirty nuclear bombs. Fukushima is 3 reactors, and 4 spent fuel pools. So, shouldn’t this be equal to over 100 bombs?
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Dear pg: Yes, a lot of us have been doing some head scratching about the “30x” scientist’s rant. I think you, and many of the rest of us might be remembering that spent fuel is, what I’ve read, as much as 1,000,000 times more radioactive than nuclear reactor fuel that has not melted down and is not yet spent fuel. MOX fuel has a higher beginning percentage of Plutonium (Pu), which, itself, is more than a million times more radioactive than Uranium dioxide, also much more volatile in a much narrower range of conditions than Uranium dioxide reactor fuel. “Volatile” means Pu doesn’t like water or wet unless exacting cooling conditions are met, doesn’t like warm dry conditions in regular air, doesn’t like O2–such as in the atmosphere R4 SFP–and is chemically reactive with a ton of things. How much more radioactive was the R3 spent MOX fuel that no one can find in the R3–save for one rod maybe–after a March 13th or 14th explosion? How much of that was aerosolized into the atmosphere? The higher radioactivity and very temperamental nature of, especially freshly removed spent reactor fuel as is still found, for the moment, in R4 SFP, is largely due to it’s increased quantity of Plutonium.
I think someone earlier had commented about today’s overly conservative estimate of the radiological scope of the problem in the title of one article quoting an outraged scientist in Japan stating “equal to 30 Hiroshima bombs” or something to that effect…He/She, one of ours, comments: “What happened to the thousands of times Hiroshima?” I’m thinking the situation is conservatively, but realistically, more like tens of thousands of times worse, so far, and worsening almost geometrically with each passing month that the situation is not contained by citizen revolt to depose the wait, wait, wait, CYA, absolutely unforgivably non-transparent, status quo spineless billionaire/industry/government monkeys poisoning everyone and everything either to preserve their position, money and power or in the conduct of some planned experiment.
The video with that scientist was recycled from earlier btw, as well.
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Agree with Pallas- this is tens of thousands times worse. Just look at it this way; the amout of fissionable material used to make a nuclear weapon is measured in pounds. The amount of fissionable material in nuclear reactor and its spent fuel pool is measured in TONS!
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Figure 8 pounds of plutonium is needed for a nuke bomb, there is 2.5million pounds of uranium and plutonium on that site, include reactors 5 and 6,
My guess is that the eventual release will be between 1000 and 10000 nuclear bombs. That is a big thing.
3 or 4 of these type accidents, and the earth will not be practical to live on anymore.
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Okay you industry shills who have been putting out computer viruses against people commenting on Fukushima. Three times is not accidental.
This message is for you.
It has two parts. First, your efforts have reaped a commitment from me to start a vicious information campaign in my local area against your industry. Second, I’m hear to tell you you’re going to catch Hell, in the most literal sense of that word, on the day you face God. Nuclear fire pales in comparison, I’m sure.
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Stop using Micro Shit programs.
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Does anyone know how the Pacific Northwest is doing? How bad is the radiation here in Oregon.
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Ask Risabe (sp?)
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beam,
I’ve been wondering the same thing. I’m in Merlin, Oregon. Where are you?
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Portland here. How does one met another poster? “wearing something of a certain color at a specified time and place”
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The difference between veteranstoday article and the scientist claim of 30 A-bomb equivalent is actually quite simple.
Veterans have calculated the overall atomicity of all of the nuclear material at the site, while the scientist research is based on thermal images and relates only to released radiation….
So vets are the maximum that can be blown out in contrast to what allready has.
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No.
Veterans today, actually just had the audacity to spell out what we are looking at.
There is more nuclear material there than that.
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Fukushima: Nearly 16,000 confirmed dead from Japan’s meltdown
Date: 13 August 2011
Posted By : Special to The Canadian
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/news/intrnational/2011/08/13/540.html
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Dear Anthony: Earlier reports were that well over 25,000 were likely dead. Rarely, if ever, do estimates of the dead from major disasters come down in number, in reality. An example of minimization was the rewriting of history that said that only 3,000 citizens of San Francisco died from the 1906 quake. More minimization theatre of the manufacture of absurd figures to dampen the breadth, scope, depth and lives lost, both now and to come, from Fukushima. Nothing against you for passing this along. But, it is the state corporativist media reporting this.
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@Anthony
The link you posted did not bring up the information of how many dead. Several pages were “not found”.
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Yesterdays live feed / MOX reactor event 8/13/2011…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lfvFj9StUA
MOX fuel in Reactor No. 3 is 2 MILLION TIMES more dangerous than enriched uranium!!,
6.2.4 Accidents at MOX fabrication plants
Accidents at MOX fuel fabrication plants have occurred. In June 1991, the storage bunker of the MOX fuel fabrication plant in Hanau, Germany, was contaminated with MOX. It occurred after the rupture of a foil for container packaging in the course of an in-plant transportation process. Four workers were exposed to plutonium.29 This accident was the main reason the fabrication plant at Hanau was shut down.
In November 1992, a fuel rod was broken through a handling error, and MOX dust was released during the mounting of MOX fuel rods to fuel assemblies in the fuel fabrication facility adjoining the MOX facility in Dessel, Belgium. In the event of such accidents, if the ICRP recommendations for general public exposure were adhered to, only about one mg of plutonium may be released from a MOX facility to the environment. As a comparison, in uranium fabrication facility, 2kg (2,000,000mg) of uranium could be released in the same radiation exposure. A one mg release of plutonium can easily happen during various smaller incidents.
In the event of such accidents, if the ICRP recommendations for general public exposure were adhered to, only about one mg of plutonium may be released from a MOX facility to the environment. As a comparison, in uranium fabrication facility, 2kg (2,000,000mg) of uranium could be released in the same radiation exposure.
Basically for ONE mg of plutonium from MOX is as deadly to the environment as 2,000,000 mg of enriched uranium… So it’s 2 million time more dangerous…. kinda.
And this happened to the Reactor 3…
Of course they say nothing leaked… but even if only ONE mg was leaked…
From August 2010 :
Third Japanese reactor to load MOX
Tokyo Electric Power Company’s (Tepco’s) Fukushima I unit 3 is set to become the third Japanese nuclear reactor to load mixed oxide (MOX) fuel after receiving approval from the governor of Fukushima Prefecture, Yukei Sato.
Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has so far approved the use of MOX fuel in ten reactors, but utilities must also secure approval from prefectural governments before they can go ahead and use the fuel, which contains plutonium recovered from spent nuclear fuel.
But eh, all is safe!
UPDATE : Difference between a non-MOX reactor accident and one with MOX :
From the same link…
According to a comparative analysis of possible consequences of a core meltdown accident in the German Kruemmel nuclear power plant with and without the use of MOX fuel.38
* The radiation exposure from inhalation of radioactive materials during the passage of the radioactive cloud is higher by several dozen percentages than if U fuel elements were exclusively used.
* Radiation exposure through the route of inhalation of remobilized long-lived actinide isotopes is more than doubled.
* The land areas to become out of use by long-term contamination increases as the re-suspension pathway is a limiting factor and the greater part of the dose resulting from the pathway comes from the actinides.
So a MOX fueled reactor having an accident is worse due to the higher content of plutonium than a “normal“ nuclear reactor.
edit on 15-3-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)
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And the fog tards will say:
Its only our imagination…
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Fog tards…so funny…..
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http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp16/daiichi-photos16.htm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tafxFZ9nzuc
Tokyo:
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Hi Tacoma, in the description it says “Fukushima station”.
Not does it make anything better…
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I just read / caught that part too lol…
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukfkm1Pb_IY
Busby interview
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snip
As for the corium 3, it should be noted that it contains plutonium MOX fuel. The latter consisting of plutonium 6.25% , and the heart of the reactor 3 containing 32 assemblies of the 548 present, we can evaluate at least 300 kg mass of plutonium MOX fuel contained in the corium 3, excluding the plutonium from spent fuel contained in the other assemblies 516 (4).
Now if we could only find out how far below the holed reactors the Corium’s have gone!
Below the Reactor Pressure Vessel is the containment vessel, which sits on top of the landfill which is above the ground water table, which is very close to the Pacific Ocean!
See Diagram:
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http://www.wearechangekamloops.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/R3_mox_upperleft.jpg
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I have a crane action question: am I the only one who wonders what their crane is actually DOING? For weeks, there has been no significant change to the structure of unit 1. I guess if they want to cover it with a tent, they’d need some massive beams for creating some kind of horizontal “roof” for the fabric to rest on – otherwise their tent will just sink in when it rains / snows.
Also, there is absolutely NO activitiy visible by workers. If they were to reinforce the structure, it’s not enough to put material up – there should be someone putting it into place and fixing it.
At the moment my feeling is that they already know that they’ll never put up that tent.
Any opinions?
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Dear Bread: In my absolutely non-expert opinion, it looks as though some material is being moved out of the way in preparation for something, or maybe debris is being somehow moved to the incinerator. Another thing that is going on is that there is a lot of peeking around the super hot R1 containment structure with a long-necked camera apparatus. Other than that, I could not say more specifically what the crane is doing; but my eyes are open. I keep hoping for whistle blowers, which despite the Wiki-Leaks false flag (to make us all think there is some balance to the information pirating and suppression by the status quo–if it were real it wouldn’t have been in the English language media for so long). Some of these guys working there have to be pissed off once they realize they are making chump change with no benefits in what are likely all suicide missions. If any of the workers read this site, I would recommend you deeply educate yourself about the damage that exposure to all sources of ionizing radiation can do when you’re near corium experiencing cyclic criticalities.
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Dear Pallas, I appreciate your non-expert but eyes-open opinion
I’m also looking out for a tweeter or similar who might share some insider information. For examples like the nurse (?), which tweeted from hospital.
There might be some, but it’s hard to find, as it’s also probably all in Japanese…
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http://www.youtube.com/user/AluminumStudios#p/u/0/oc6FPIK1VaY
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A must watch
http://www.youtube.com/user/AluminumStudios#p/u/0/oc6FPIK1VaY
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Dear Tacoma: That Wm. Millberry guy is a minimizer of the realities.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6XJwwvSLLo&feature=player_embedded#at=18
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Radioactive seagulls bomb Victoria, B.C.
http://www.timescolonist.com/technology/Seagulls+bombing+mission+over+Victoria/5253351/story.html
Apologies for my headline … but, it did occur to me that it might be possible for seagulls from Washington State (3/4 of which is radioactive from Hanford so I hear) to drop Cesium-filled ordnance from their “rear delivery systems”, as I would call them.
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I cannot believe this news article I’ve just seen. Japan is about to receive its first IMPORT of highly radioactive nuclear waste since the March accident.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-14/japan-prepares-for-its-first-import-of-radioactive-waste-since-earthquake.html
Japan is IMPORTING radioactive waste? Even now? Tepco has nowhere to store the highly radioactive water at Daiichi but it seems Japan still has space to store radioactive waste from other countries? WTF
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Plutonium picked up in England, Hawaii, Guam, Western part of the United States. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Ecn1WFRWQ&feature=related
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