Published: February 8th, 2012 at 9:49 am ET
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Title: Temperature in Fukushima plant’s No. 2 reactor remains high
Source: AJW by The Asahi Shimbun
Date: February 08, 2012
Temperature levels in the No. 2 reactor of the disabled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant remain high despite efforts by Tokyo Electric Power Co. to stabilize the situation. [...]
On Feb. 7, the plant operator said the temperature at the bottom of the No. 2 reactor’s pressure vessel was 68.5 degrees at 5 p.m. [...]
The temperature has since ranged between 68 degrees and 72 degrees. [...]
Read the report here
Published: February 8th, 2012 at 9:49 am ET
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So they dumped Boron in, and it either blocked the temp probe from the heat or maybe slowed the heat for a bit – either way it’s back now.
In reality – that’s the least to worry about – #4 is going through catastrophic failure right now. #3 has already gone through it.
Folks I’m not sure there’s anything left to do, but go hug your children, and grandchildren.
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That’s about all we can do James. I’m being kind to all carbon units and hugging my family daily. Not a bad way to go. Even if a UFO shows up and solves the whole mess.
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Here is the English version of isotope levels measured by Tepco at unit 2:
http://soba.txt-nifty.com/photos/uncategorized/2012/02/07/20120207.jpg
Now compare with the Japanese version of it:
http://soba.txt-nifty.com/photos/uncategorized/2012/02/07/20120207_2.jpg
Rotten lying bastiches.
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It becomes very difficult for them to keep their lies consistent when they have to make so many up so quickly. And the Japanese document is certainly also a lie, just a different one.
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Thanks for that Bobby1.
So i guess “ND” for Cs134 implies they can rule out any re-criticality in the Japanese version?
I need to go and consult some text book nuclear data
Yes there is a difference in one and the other version.
I don’t see why they didn’t just have the same result on both the Japanese version and the English version?
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How can you trust the Xe-135 levels or anything else if they’re lying about cesium? There are probably huge clouds of iodine, krypton and xenon, as well as cesium, again traversing the planet.
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Yes i don’t trust them and i will be spectrometising then. I have my scintillator and and so forth.
I also constructed lead shield by wrapping lead around 3mm Copper pipe.
Copper to remove the Lead K&L- electron shell X-rays that come from the Lead gamma interaction. The cylinder sits on a Lead hemisphere and overall wall thickness is now three inches. I added thickness one roll of lead 3 meter Lead sheet at a time. The hemisphere was re-cast three times to accommodate the increasing diameter of the lead cylinder.
Any handy tips will be appreciated.
It has been a hell of a learning curve.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Gamma-Spectacular/146649762066972
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You are right! Stay away from rain and snow, wear tight glasses and change clothes at home. Those who can afford to have a giger counter, measure your own shoes.
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Bobby1, that’s an awesome find. Thanks for posting it. Speechless here.
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Lying F**king Bastards. But Look! At least we are below recriticality. HAHAHA yeah right.
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http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/02/03-3
Bird Population in Collapse Near Fukushima
Study: Many species show “dramatically” elevated DNA mutation rates, developmental abnormalities and extinctions
Common Dreams staff
An upcoming study shows the future for birds and insect life around Fukushima has been badly damaged, an ominous sign of things to come.
photo: SandoCap
The study, set to be published next week in Environmental Pollution, looked at 14 species of birds common to Fukushima and Chernobyl. David McNeill writes in the Irish Times:
Researchers working in the irradiated zone around the disabled Fukushima nuclear plant say bird populations there have begun to dwindle, in what may be a chilling harbinger of the impact of radioactive fallout on local life.
In the first major study on the impact of the world’s worst nuclear crisis in 25 years, the researchers from Japan, the US and Denmark say that analysis of 14 species of birds common to Fukushima and Chernobyl shows the effect on numbers is worse in the Japanese disaster zone. [..]
Timothy Mousseau and Anders Pape Moller say their research there uncovered major negative effects among the local bird population, including reductions in longevity, male fertility and birds with smaller brains.
Many species show “dramatically” elevated DNA mutation rates, developmental abnormalities and extinctions, they add, while insect life has been significantly reduced.
Japanese researchers began studying flora and fauna around Fukushima in November, with an initial report on the findings expected in March.
In this video uploaded to YouTube in June, a bird near the Fukushima Prefecture exhibits abnormal behavior:
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Ah yes, the old “canary in the coal mine”…
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David McNeill reported this in the UK Independent.
His articles attract ferociously illiterate shills of varying hues.
Have done a bit of credibility analysis on them but my “half orange” gets suspicious of my typing patterns …
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Anyone notice, or is this happening for you? The link above takes me to an Asahi article on cesium in mud in Tokyo Bay.
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I mean the Enenews link.
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It is a link to the source for the articles content I believe.
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Tacoma, I’m clicking the link to Asahi that ENENEWS has under the headline and I’m getting an article on mud in Tokyo Bay, not #2 reactor.
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I take that back. It is propaganda.
Favorable that the sediment sinks? WTF It would be less favorable. If it is surfaced we can potentially vacuum the debris. However if it makes its way into the root of the ecosystem It will cut the food chain off at the head. By slowly destroying the entire food chain from the bottom up.
Idiots!
My first thought after reading this was:
Did the researchers analyze the content that was found deeper in the sediment to see if it is from the Fukushima disaster??? Or is this simply contamination from nagasaki and hiroshima?
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This link :
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201202080058
Admin must have accidentally switched in the wrong hyper link. That or the original source destination was moved by the author.
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Hi Tacoma, that one takes me to the mud article as well. Except now I have to register to read it!
Is it just me? Anybody?
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Anyone else have a problem with this?
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The hyperlink from HELL?
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ah ha! The old “its data” its got to be right..and its all hardcoded so static..NOT interactive..or using current data..just a pretty picture without any physics or actual factual data driving it. Reminds me of having to redo all the yearly accounting report printouts(several boxes of product)..from white paper to GREEN AND WHITE striped. Color/strips meant it was from a computer and correct/factual. Same for the TEPCO chart–its from a computer –got to be right. Static. S.T.U.P.I.D.
This also tells you the technical level they think we are at..or may be just the Japanese public. Good news is this link is very easy to mess up..just miss a few lines…its probably over the allowable character count for some sites or browsers…
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Looks to be some chart, Tacomagroove. What is the chart for?
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Its reactor 1′s radiation dose dispersion rate.
It is not a good sign in regards to transparency. The measurements have clearly been fabrications. since 12.15.2011 Which happens to be the same day that the japanese government announced cold shutdown.
But the rising meter indicates a completely different story.
The rising meter indicates that the instruments are recording.
So the real disturbing part can be interpreted in two ways.
A. Tepco knows the actual release.
B. Tepco Is not publishing this data.
Being Reactor 1 is the worst and first to be tucked away. I feel it is important to remind everyone from time to time, what they fear the most of reactors 3-6. Already happened in unit 1.
It is not in cold shutdown. It has no containment. It is constantly leaking…
Should the hydrogen level rise again, the reactors temporary containment has now land locked 70% of the emissions in the interior of the building…
So its even more deadly than every reactor on site now, Meanwhile it is becoming more unstable on an everyday basis. The tent in no way fixed the cooling systems, resealed the primary containment, nor stopped fission from occurring.
Once reactor 1′s pressure vessel is filled with hydrogen Tepco will have a very hard time containing the situation.
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Nope..Here come cutting edge amateur science (From an a ‘real’ amateur.)..The Hydrogen is not the problem. It is only a symptom. It means the Zirconium somewhere in there is undergoing a redox reaction with the water. Water is only reacting with the outside of the Zirconium tubes.
The first symptom of things getting hot.
I believe the real problem is just prior to the highest temperatures obtained before a partial meltdown which is when the Zirconium is the first to volatilize.
It is then that the Zirconium is in gas form, and it is by far the Zirconium vapor and steam reaction which is the most explosive mixture and not by any means the hydrogen and oxygen reaction.The surface area of Zirconium is fully extended in volatilized form.
All the Hydrogen means is that things are warming up somewhere. It is of course a hazard for other reasons but it is not the biggest explosion hazard.
Also!!!!
Cesium and Zirconium react explosively in certain conditions. High temperature conditions i believe.
Theory….But very good theory and not saying i am an ultimate expert. Just consider this view. It explains a lot i think.
One mentions the reaction between Cesium and Zirc.
http://www.angstromsciences.com/products/pvd-materials/pvd-materials-list/z/msds/Zirconium-MSDS.pdf
http://www.angstromsciences.com/
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Nope,…here comes the cutting edge shill, troll, or plant!
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Uhmmmmm… there haven’t been any “zirconium tubes” since about March 12th…
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@Spectrometising
The above comment was off point:
Due to the enormous amount of heat decay from open source spent nuclear fuel; The processing of hydrogen can be created by spent nuclear fuel, splitting H20 directly into hydrogen atoms… Please read Wreedles post above. Note: There is multiple ways that hydrogen is produced inside the reactors.
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@Tacomagrove Hey..dont forget..TEPCO said they are “filtering out” 98% of the radioactive particles being vented. All I can say..is from where? Their toilets?
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72 Celsius is about 170+ Fahrenheit!
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And that temperature is at the bottom of the RPV, which is at this point not any where near the melted fuel!
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OMG I’m thinking the fuel temps have to be really hot!
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Not near the melted fuel, but probably in contact with the continuous flow of steam at 100degrees C that is coming out of the hole
Next they will claim they are able to keep it steady at 100 degrees C, and also claim victory. Of course that’s as hot as it can get as long as they can keep water on it, and the steam can’t pressurize.
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clarification – that’s as hot as the RPV can get under those conditions – obviously the melted fuel can get hot.
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Is it possible the corium/melted fuel could have joined in an undground layer with the other reactors? If melted and spreading….and hot..
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@jec..I believe this to be the case.
This situ..shows multi reactor activity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNXTCJiM43Y&feature=player_embedded
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Request for info:
Any estimates here, worse case scenario (or just PROBABLE SCENARIO), how long the reactors at Daichi are going to continue belching/dribbling the radio-nuclides? How many years?
It seems a bit beside the point, in a way, whether this is or is not an ELE event. If it is that serious, that we are discussing the possibility, that is all we need to know.
However, it is looking really bad. Rense was talking about it on his radio show last night, saying that SFP 4 will almost certainly fall within a year (at most, I’d guess). Even level-headed, non-hysterical Arnie Gundersen said, I believe, that if SFP 4 goes, Japan and the West Coast of North America will be uninhabitable.
We know that other areas around the No. Hemisphere will be equally heavily doused/dosed, depending on wind and rain patterns.
Maybe not a full-blown ELE, but a ‘killing’ catastrophe of huge proportions. And to what extent the gradual on-going mixing of the planetary air-envelope will carry such high levels pretty much ‘all over’ – we just don’t know. But it will be mostly all over, I’d guess.
So it is going to be tantamount to an ELE. To me that conclusion seems inescapable at this point. I would certainly love to be wrong – but it does not seem like a difficult call to make.
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@bleep_hits_blades
I wrote a comment earlier that included my theory but in short:
http://spaceweather.com/images2012/08feb12/hmi4096_blank.jpg?PHPSESSID=09nh31jprukmtgpgj2vtss2uk1
That is the calm before the storm.
In march expect a large amount of sunspots to appear. Leading to the largest x-class cme this year. Leading to an equally great or even greater earthquake than the 2011 earthquake.
I presume the sunspots will appear within 3-6 weeks.
There are multiple magma interferences being detected in both Hawaii and japan, Which typically coincides with EQ’s; So we Can infer that The flow of magma is essentially ready to make a move. Although I expect that the next large (x class) cme will be the match to light the fire.
I have a theory that highly charged energy particles that are interacting with the magnetosphere, create pressure slips in the earths ozone, ejecting large amounts of matter deep into space from inside our ozone layer. This effect releases large amounts of pressure, allowing our seismic plates to expand and contract (creating earthquakes).
Its all theoretical however it was coincidental that the japanese also predicted a large and possibly larger earthquake, in roughly a years time.
If either of us is right, Well its possible the mayan’s were too
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note the japanese predicted this shortly after march 2011.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/16681136
http://inhabitat.com/researchers-predict-another-huge-japan-earthquake-likely-in-the-next-4-years/
Although, the best prediction site ive found for japan is here: http://www.nextearthquake.com/earthquakes_long_term_forecasts.htm#longterm
And from that source:
THE JAPAN REGION is currently represented by two
sub-regions involving the main islands as follows:
(1) HONSHU REGION (Central to Southern Region)
Newly defined on 1st September 2009 as within ≈500 km* of center 248 km SSE of Nagoya, Honshu, at Lat 33.144 and Lon 138.040.
This region, which includes Tokyo, has experienced 5 major earthquakes since 1962 as follows: M7.0 (Mar 1978), M7.1 (Aug 1998), M7.4 (Aug 2000), M7.2 and M7.4 (both in Sept 2004)
Source USGS/Google Earth
(2) HOKKAIDO REGION – within ≈500 km* of Yubetsu on the north coast, Lat 44.22° Lon 143.62°.
This Japanese region, which includes the lower Kuril Islands, has experienced 15 major earthquakes and 2 great earthquakes since 1961 as follows: M7.0 (Aug 1961), M7.0 (Nov 1961), M7.0 (Apr 1962), M7.0 (June1964), M7.9 (May 1968), M7.8 (Aug 1969), M7.7 (June 17,1973), M7.1 (June 24, 1973), M7.0 (June 1975), M7.5 (Mar 23, 1978), M7.6 (Mar 24,1978), M7.0 (Feb 1980), M8.1 (Oct 4, 1994), M7.1 (Oct 9, 1994), M8.3 and M7.4 (both on Sept 25, 2003), and M7.0 (Nov 2004).
Source USGS/Google Earth
*The radius of each region has an ≈10% error margin of about 50 km to include
events close to the nominated boundary of each region.
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The only variable that would change this from an ELE is if they found a way to cap the sucker. End the emissions I mean,…or reduce them substantially, like Russia. Russia bought TIME. Japan has wasted so bloody much TIME,….one can only guess how many more grains of sand are in their hourglass.
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