Feds: “Atmospheric steam dump” at New Jersey nuclear plant — All 6 circulators lost at Salem due to debris, high river level

Published: October 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm ET


Title: Current Event Notification Report for October 30, 2012
Source: Nuclear Regulatory Commission
h/t Indiana Harry, jdotg

Notification Time: 10/30/2012 at 4:10 [ET]
Event Time: 10/30/2012 at 1:09 [EDT]


“Salem Unit 1 was operating at 100% reactor power when a loss of 4 condenser circulators required a manual reactor trip in accordance with station procedures. The cause of the 4 circulators being removed from service was due to a combination of high river level and detritus from Hurricane Sandy’s transit.

“All control rods inserted. A subsequent loss of the 2 remaining circulators required transition of decay heat removal from condenser steam dumps to the 11-14 MS10s (atmospheric steam dump). Decay heat removal is from the 11/12 Aux Feed Pumps to all 4 steam generators via the 11-14 MS10s. […]

See also: [intlink id=”abc-5-nuke-plants-problems-new-jerseys-salem-reactor-shuts-down-water-pumps-available-trouble-both-units-9-mile-point-new-york-addition-limerick-indian-point-oyster-creek” type=”post”]{{empty}}[/intlink]

Published: October 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm ET


Related Posts

  1. Reporter: Massive steam dump from New Jersey’s Salem nuclear plant during Sandy had ‘little’ radiation -Officials November 15, 2012
  2. 6-foot tsunami that hit near New Jersey nuclear plant may be first of its kind in U.S. — People injured, swept out to sea by wave detected as far as Puerto Rico — NOAA said continental shelf may have slumped, now suspects ‘atmospheric event’ (VIDEO) December 23, 2013
  3. Now 5 Nuke Plants with Problems from Sandy: New Jersey’s Salem reactor shuts down as water pumps “not available” — Trouble with both units at New York’s 9 Mile Point — Also Oyster Creek, Indian Point, Limerick October 30, 2012
  4. Report: Wave took out 5 of 6 critical pumps that cool reactor at NJ’s Salem nuke plant — Still operating on emergency cooling — NRC yet to inform public — At 100% power when Sandy hit November 1, 2012
  5. TV: New high-level radioactive leak will reach Columbia River, says scientists — Fourth largest river in U.S. (VIDEO) February 18, 2013

61 comments to Feds: “Atmospheric steam dump” at New Jersey nuclear plant — All 6 circulators lost at Salem due to debris, high river level

  • harengus_acidophilus

    “Atmospheric steam dump”

    Uncontrolled release of Tritium and maybe more…


    • jump-ball jump-ball

      Followed by totally controlled msm release of actual events, and maybe less.

    • harengus_acidophilus

      One more sad idea:

      This is the perfect situation for the "drivers of deathmachines" to release large quantities of nasty stuff, because the dilution factor is relatively high and they also will blame mother nature responsible.


  • Sickputer

    How crazy to run any of the nuclear plants at any power level during this huge storm.

    Insane greedy nucleocrats. The plants need to be shuttered forever, but at the least they should have powered them all down five days ago.

  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    Great as Sandy keeps spinning over us in PA. I will have to use my geiger counter in the morning.

    • ion jean ion jean

      No wonder radiationnetwork showed highest cpm readings in the country this AM on geiger near NY NJ CT! (The storm is spinning that steam dump to the NW and over the Great Lakes to be wafted eastwards by the jetstream.)

      Normally that one is low 30s but this morning high 70s clicks per minute.

      The best is yet to come as we will have to kick Entergy and Exelon out of the Northeast when one of their cans gets cookin'. It only takes less than an hour to start an unstoppable meltdown.

      Would man be riding bicycles if they had no brakes? How does a sane man invent such a stupid thing as nuclear power generation?

      Oh yeah, I forgot, somebody made MONEY doing this!

  • bmurr bmurr

    Lets just hope they recover the circulation pumps. The steam dump sounds like a last resort for getting ride of the heat building in the reactors. Be nice to know what step in the oh shit list we are on when we perform this operation.

    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Why don't they use submersible pumps? Seems pretty simple to me or is there so reason other than expense which deters this solution.

      • Radio VicFromOregon

        MSB, i believe that cost is the only factor in not using submersible pumps. So, as long as the industry can say water will never reach the pumps, they are not required to add this additional rationally sane extra layer of protection to save less than a million bucks. With all the flooding, this may be rethought by Congress, who will then force the NRC to implement submersible pump requirements for certain sites while giving NPPs 10 years to comply. I think 10 years has been the normal compliance deadline for having to reoutfit to newer equipment. There is something on the NRC regulation books about not unduly adding expenses to the NPPs. The reason for the push to deregulate as many plants as possible now is because, as they age, many are also reaching safety implementation deadlines and would prefer not to have to do those. If they can lower the safety standards and get a 40 year operating extension, they are in the clear. The NRC can be tougher, but, rarely will without Congressional mandate.

        • guezilla

          I believe they have submersible pumps, not certain on that as there are some vague points, but the reported main reason for loss of main feedwater was clogging of the intakes from storm debris. According to reports Salem has had a problem with this continuously, and has often been running at reduced power due to partial clogging in the past so apparently it's not easy to clear. No mention of prior scrams due to this condition, however.

          • Sickputer

            Yes clogging of intakes is a universal issue with these problematic NPPs:


            "Slovenia preventively shut down production Sunday at its only nuclear power plant after a steep increase in the flow of the Sava river used for cooling the system, the Krsko nuclear plant said in a statement."

            SP: Also of note is the last paragraph indicating the extent of nuclear addiction for so many world sites:

            "The plant — jointly built with Croatia in 1984 when they were both part of the former Yugoslavia — accounts for about 40 percent of the EU country's electricity production."

            SP: The author tells us also the plant is in the 25th refueling cycle. Lots of fuel rods slowly steaming away in a pond. The nucleocrats are too damn cheap to dry cask the older rods, an action that could have limited the spread of spent rod fires at Fukushima.

            • Karnage

              So it shouldn't matter if they have pumps or not. If the main intakes to the facility are not working, and they have no access to get them unclogged, then we are in deeper doo then we think?

              Maybe the mention of fire hose was due to the fact that the only way to get water in was through the intakes. I am not sure of the building design, but I would assume (correct me if im wrong) that the water supply is piped in.

              So theoretically if the main pipes in are clogged, then they have no way of getting water in.

              Now are the pumps in a pump house that is underwater and have "Shorted" out, or are they in the facility and just clogged/unable to pull water due to pressure from the increased water depth.

              We have also hit the 25 hour mark haven't we? The only good submersible pumps that I could see would be to help drain the excess water from the SFP when they flood it with fire hoses. Pumping it right into the river.

              Please feel free to fill me in, as i am not a NPP designer.

      • Karnage

        It might be crazy, but they may intentionally flood the system, since there is a large amount of water outside the plant. Just how japan got rid of waste into the ocean.

        If you have large amounts of standing water outside of your facility, it may be a good time to get rid of some of your spent fuel into that river….crazy, but not unbelievable.

    • patb2009

      i imagine, it's about step 3 from the bend over kiss your ass goodbye.

      1) Execute atmosphereic steam dump.

      2) Turn on core spray subsystem

      3) if core continues heating, run

  • lam335 lam335

    They just released tritium into the air, and the surrounding community will be exposed to it.

    They should be sued for negligence. They knew this major storm was coming and what kinds of risks it could pose to the plant, but they irresponsibly chose to operate at full power anyway.

  • Jebus Jebus

    What is it going to take for the worlds nuclear industries to realize that, if it is just about the bottom line, nuclear power isn't worth it.
    If it really was about safety, then things would be done differently.
    A statement from, Andre-Claude Lacoste, 70, the outgoing head of the French Autorite de Surete Nucleaire.

    Japan-Style Nuclear Safety Errors Abound, Regulator Warns

    Japan’s nuclear safety failures that led to last year’s disaster at Fukushima are being repeated in other countries that operate atomic reactors, according to France’s top regulator.


  • arclight arclight

    better late than never… i suppose

    USA -Nuclear Industry plans nuclear response centers by …………….2014

    29 October 2012

    The US nuclear industry is preparing for future emergencies byestablishing two regional centres that should operate from mid-2014. Vital equipment to maintain safety in an extreme event will be able to reach any of the USA’s nuclear plants within 24 hours.


    2 years to have it in place then

    Slight hitch, bad planning! USA- 39 percent of nuclear-industry workers will reach retirement by 2016
    5:59 PM, Oct 27, 2012


    then they wont have anyone to man the equipment.. hard to recruit to the nuclear industry for some reason obviously.. its the same the world over…

    decommission now! while people who know what they are doing are still alive.. imo

    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication


      "Vital equipment to maintain safety in an extreme event will be able to reach any of the USA’s nuclear plants within 24 hours."

      24 Hours is a long time when things go wrong. And things can go wrong where the planes are, where the fuel is, where the operators are, etc. Not that it will make any difference to them.

  • Mack Mack

    Look at these past radiation releases from Oyster Creek:

    ** "In April 1998, the NRC cited the owner of the Oyster Creek nuclear plant in New Jersey for unmonitored releases of radioactively contaminated gas (NRC, 1998). Oyster Creek uses two
    isolation condensers to remove decay heat produced by the reactor core when the normal heat removal systems are unavailable. Oyster Creek’s Final Safety Analysis Report stated that the isolation condensers would be filled with clean, non-radioactive water. But for nearly 30 years, workers had been filling the condensers with radioactively contaminated water. As that water evaporated, it was vented directly to the atmosphere."

    ** "In December 1996, the NRC cited the owner of the Oyster Creek nuclear plant in New Jersey for the accidental release of 133,000 gallons of radioactively contaminated water into Barnegat Bay (NRC, 1996)."

    ** "August 2009: Workers discovered radioactively contaminated water leaking into the ground from where a condensate transfer pipe passed through the turbine building wall."


    • Sickputer

      Speaking of deadly worn-out decaying nuclear plants…anybody besides me prognosticating a last minute post-election opportunity to secure the key Quaker state?

      semi-specious prediction: Hush hush top secret meetings at Exelon give the green light to their favored puppet to offer up Oyster Creek as a publicly proclaimed sacrificial lamb of appeasement. Of course no jobs will be lost because they will need 130 years to decommission the old clunker.

      This all depends on whether the sophistic nucleocrats feel their current puppet is more valuable than a fresh puppet.

      • Sickputer

        Make that Pre-election. 😉 Early morning typos.

        • Karnage

          I do not like either candidate, as they are both owned by mega banks, GE , etc. This big dog and pony show that people think they have control is all false. The problem with obummer winning again is that he can do whatever he wants in the second term. Lame duck law passing.

          After seeing TEPCO in action, I personally believe that elephants can fly. I would not doubt that anything is impossible. Titanic sank didnt it?

          Rockefeller and Gates running the show. Meningitis in the vaccines, mandatory flu shots, GM corn killing animals but FDA said OK!, Fluoride water used by Germans to kill Jews is safe for babies, radiation is good to eat.

          Make something up, and i am sure it will fit in.

          This country is on the short bus to hell. Make sure you have your helmets on.

          • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

            And just look at the Executive Orders he has already done….

          • Maggie123

            Karnage, SP, NP, others … re "Rockefeller and Gates running the show.". I wonder. I'm beginning to think that may have been the intent, but that the neo-libs have lost control.

            Out of respect for recently aired concerns about OT posts, I'll shift my post to the OT forum. (I'm trying to be 'good' on this, as I think I'm one of the 'culprits'!) 🙂

        • Sickputer

          Another mea culpa… sorry to write Oyster Creek NPP is in Pennsylvannia… of course the "lucky" folks in the Garden State New Jersey get that dubious honor. The 14 electoral votes in New Jersey are also up for grabs despite voting for the Democrats the past five presidential elections.

          I applaud the citizen fight in 2009 during the contentious relicensing hearings for Oystet Creek. Too bad it was two years before Fukushima. But at least Exelon gave a small bone back by agreeing to retire the plant in 2019, ten years short of the relicense. So you folks on the East Coast just have to live by that extinction machine until then.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Nuclear plants release radiated steam into the air (radiation) with no warning. Sometimes it's found out, but only after it already happened.

    • Now look at this:
      A brick house located just west of the canal on Carroll Street had steam rising from its foundation. A man who said he was a resident but wouldn't provide his name said the basement had filled with water from the canal in the night, and now the electrical wiring was steaming. He said the fire department told him it would not come unless the structure was physically on fire. I'll wait, and then it'll go up like a tinderbox, he said.
      The question is: Will the fire brigade wait till the nuke is on fire?

  • 16Penny 16Penny

    NYC Mayor just walked up to the gallows it sounds like.

  • What is an “Atmospheric steam dump”?

    It could be several things.

    You'll never really know, until it's too late, and that's the problem.

    Photo for EXAMPLE Only:
    (TMI night view)

  • arclight arclight

    RT just caught Prof Busby for a quick comment here.. video and transcript..

    Prof. Busby -Oyster Creek proximity to New York poses threat during flooding -(Video)

    You can never make nuclear power stations perfectly safe. You can’t make it impossible for these situations to occur and when they do occur, they can be pretty catastrophic, Professor Christopher Busby from the European Committee on Radiation Risks told RT. The Professor added Oyster Creek plant was a particular risk, located just 65 miles from New York City.

    All of the power stations in the area were built against the express wishes of the people who lived there. They were pushed through by some kind of federal axe which overcame the opposition of the people, he said.


    mentions a long shot possibility of meltdown too!

  • razzz razzz

    Oyster (like Fukushima Units 1-4) is the oldest BWR (40 years old) in the US. So, what happens? The NRC grants it a 20 year extension even though it is shut down at the moment and only the spent fuel pools are in play.

    Salem Units are PWR type (like San Onofre).

    At least with the PWR Salem units, the radioactive water is under very high pressure so it won't boil, no steam, and is suppose to travel in a short closed loop to transfer its heat in exchangers. Major leaks would occur in the heat exchangers when the piping cracks or wears thin like with San Onofre.

    After a PWR shuts down if they are blowing off excess steam from a heat exchanger loop that drives the turbines, then there should be very little radioactive releases while the reactor (loop) is cooling down. With no steam turbine being driven, you still use the steam loop to cool the pressurized water reactor loop via the heat exchangers. Unless there is something they are not telling us.

    Of course, some noble gases and tritium get released constantly (tritium is almost impossible to contained) so being on the east coast you would hope it blows or flows out to sea, normally. With flooding it might just hang around.

    Would it be to much to ask to at least shut down all the (25?) BWRs in the US, now?

    • lam335 lam335

      "Oyster (like Fukushima Units 1-4) is the oldest BWR (40 years old) in the US."

      That's why it's sometimes called Oyster Creak. It ought to be retired.

    • patb2009

      you can be sure that in an older rac, the heat exchangers are leaking.

  • dosdos dosdos

    Salem 1 & 2 are PWR's. Odds are, the steam is from the turbine circuit of the condenser, not the reactor circuit. The purpose would be to remove pressure from the condenser to allow emergency water injection at atmospheric pressure, since the intakes to the turbine feed pumps got clogged from storm debris (plant and mud from water being stirred up). Dumping water from the reactor circuit voluntarily during a shutdown in a PWR wouldn't make sense.

  • Weeping Lulu Weeping Lulu

    I looked into this the first few days after Fukumonster left for it's terror of trick-or-treat around the world. Here is what I posted on Fukushima Diary page.


  • patb2009

    they would probably vent from the Rac side into the CV. try and get the entire circuit at lower pressure.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Nuclear plants weather hit from superstorm Sandy

    PSEG Nuclear spokesman Joe Delmar said plant operators manually stopped the reactor early Tuesday morning when four of six recirculation pumps failed in a cooling line that turns steam heated by the reactor back into water. Plant officials suspect the storm sent large amounts of marsh mud and grass into the water, which caused problems as the debris seeped into the cooling system, Delmar said.

    Because its circulation system was not functioning normally, the plant was venting built-up steam into the atmosphere, NRC spokesman Scott Burnell said. That steam is isolated from the intense radiation deep inside a nuclear reactor and does not pose a health threat, Burnell said. It is possible that very small amounts of radioactive tritium might be present in the steam.


    So who's measuring the "very small amounts" of radioactive tritium?

  • razzz razzz

    You know how they use different weights of drilling mud to hold down crude and gas well pressures, they have a couple of wells into the collapsed cavern, why not start pumping mud down the wells? Would brine do the same thing?

    Not enough volume to overcome the natural pressure, I suppose. (Can't pour it in fast enough)

    Can't really dump large amounts of anything into the sink hole or you will chase the gas and oil to a different exit path.

    The funnel shaped sinkhole will turn into a stovepipe with continued erosion. Better figure something out soon or the void below will become to big to deal with.

    How'bout a floating oil rig over the sinkhole and bringing the gas and oil up then send it back down at an existing wellhead making for a big loop. Control the pressure and flow somewhat and then try to infill the voids.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Did anyone notice that the NRC put five old NRC notifications at the top of their alert page from earlier dates to obsfucate and hide the real alert news from today?

    Event Reports For
    10/29/2012 – 10/30/2012

    Look at the first five event numbers. Then it jumps to current.

    Look for yourself and note the first five notification dates!


  • I was wondering why the Salem NPP was going full tilt. Presumably it's because of the 74MPH x 15 minute rule –per:

    A [Public Service Enterprise Group Inc] spokesman said the
    company would take the Salem and Hope Creek reactors offline if wind speeds reach greater than 74 miles per hour onsite for more than 15 minutes or the river water level reaches 100 feet.
    Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/29/us-storm-sandy-utilities-idUSBRE89S0MO20121029


  • guezilla

    Situation on this starting to look more worrisome, latest NRC event notification report:

    "At 0513, following [a] Unit 1 manual [reactor] trip due to loss of condenser cooling, a manual steam line isolation was initiated due to a high condenser back pressure. All main steamline isolation valves responded as expected. The high condenser back pressure resulted in the #11 low pressure turbine rupture disc relieving. Unit 1 remains in mode 3 with Reactor Coolant System temperature at 549 [degrees] and stable. Reactor Coolant System pressure is 2235 psig and in automatic control. Pressurizer level is on program at 26 percent level and in automatic control. Core cooling is via aux feed water and the steam generator levels are on program. There were no [personnel] injuries."

    Needs a nuclear reactor engineer to tell what all that means, but the turbine water-loop rupture disk (form of over-pressure release system) means they're definitely outside normal operating parameters, and likely more radioactive releases, even if that's not from the primary coolant loop but the water has still been activated.

    • guezilla

      As an aside the initial report was not as worrisome as some people have made it out. "Atmospheric steam release" is not as serious as it sounds, as it doesn't originate from the primary coolant loop. In simple terms it is like venting the steam from the turbine loops instead of re-condensing and circulating it with river-water.
      The water used for this is supposed to be separate, fresh water that will therefore not have long time to tritiate. I consider it far from desirable, NRC for example considers it fairly benign and sets no limit on how often or long it can be done, but obviously it's not the preferred way to cool your nuclear plant.
      The main feedwater lines are normally not used in reactor shut-down, but there's significant question whether they finished reactor scram before losing the last main feedwater sources (the summary here states they lost *condensers* which raises issues of its own). The turbine loop rupture disks giving up certainly suggests they were still running at significant power when they lost cooling.
      I'm going to assume the degrees is in farenheit, 530F is usually stated as the desired temperature of water entering and 600F for leaving reactor core, though it'll depend on specific reactor. It is unclear where that temperature is measured, but it is still quite high.

  • jackassrig

    Condensers operate under vacuum. The vacuum is created when the steam condenses. Vacuum is usually around 29". The non condensables are drawn off and vented to atmosphere. The condenser is designed for vacuum not pressure over 14.7psi. If cooling water is lost, the steam is not condensed-from the reactor-and no vacuum. The pressure increases in the condenser until the rupture disc-a over pressure device-opens to vent the over pressure. You can think of the high steam pressure and vacuum in the condenser as a water fall that turns a water wheel. The steam falls down through the turbine blading into the condenser causing torque. The lower the vacuum the greater the power. The higher the steam pressure the greater the power.

    The turbine back staging is running close to 29". If the pressure increases the the turbine will trip.

    • guezilla

      Wikipedia does feature a good illustration of the basic operation of a pressurized water reactor at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressurized_water_reactor – this is somewhat different from the boiling water reactor as used at Fukushima etc.
      With the turbine rupture disk giving in, I assume they can't even use at least that part of the secondary/turbine loop for cooling, though it must be possible to isolate the turbine with the rupture.
      Also the rupture disk will certainly have been planned so that the leak will be caught inside containment, but how effective that is in practice I don't know.

  • jackassrig

    Another thing is the air from the ouside is constantly being drawn into the condenser due to the high pressure differential. Atmospheric to 29". So the air is seaping in small amounts into the condenser through seals 24/7. It is drawn off and vented to atmosphere. Air will wreck vacuum. So the air picks up any radiation in the steam and is vented to atmosphere.

  • Jebus Jebus

    At 550 degrees, 2235 pounds per square inch and no ultimate heat sink, this is the point at which you must have zero errors in process.
    This is the point at which dry steam happens.
    This is the point at which one mistake in any critical systen or valve and you have the potential for a waterhammer event.
    This is the point at which you can have a LOCA.
    This is the point at which murphy rears his ugly head.
    This is the point that the anti-nuclear movement has been trying to make since the beginning.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "atmospheric steam dump"..how does one dump steam?
    Venting event..either controlled or uncontrolled.

    • Jebus Jebus

      There are three loops in a PWR to operate at 100%, which by the way is really 120% because of uprating.
      The third loop got plugged with mud and debris. Done.
      The second loop is a condensate loop. It blew a mechanical pressure fuse.
      It is now operating in a evaporative process.
      Eventually you have to make up for loss by injecting more fluid or you have dry steam that can not carry heat effectively.
      You have to be carefull with makeup fluid, least you cause a waterhammer event and rupture something else. If you do you go to the primary loop for cooling.
      The primary loop is a condensate process and is radioactive.
      Turn that loop into a evaporative process to cool, you are on your last leg and you are dumping radioactive steam into the atmosphere.
      This plant is one step away from a fukushima event. Pick a reactor number for the result.

    • guezilla

      According to the reports they filed with NRC it was very much controlled, and as I said it's… nearly standard procedure. The NRC regulations seem to pretty much say "Use main condensers if possible, otherwise atmospheric dump". A 1976 Plant Operation Procedure for Indian Point requires switching to atmospheric dump when temperatures fall low enough that main condensers lose vacuum. I'm not sure it is done this way anymore, as it seems to be treated as exceptional (but not a real accident).

      What I find funny is in the few newspapers that reported on it, they got someone from the plant to state "they did not know" whether the steam dump was radioactive or not. Apparently, nobody at the power plant owns a geiger meter. Besides that, the statement implies the release may be more radioactive than normal. Of course, they're likely going to have to 'fess up to it sooner or later, so the least they could do would be to say "we don't know, but assume it is".

      It's the addendum about the pressure release disk rupture I'm more concerned about than the initial atmospheric dump. The temperature and pressure quoted seem pretty much in line for a pressure water reactor – except for one that's still operating at 100%, but according to the times quoted it's 5 hours after scram. They've still got auxiliary feedwater, from huge tanks on-site. Those will last maybe about a day, after which they must get a new water-source, but I don't see any reason they can't break out…

      • guezilla

        The ending was "…no reason they can't break out the trusty firehoses".

        On a hunch I checked the NRC status report again, the reactor status for Salem 1 is listed as "Hot Standby" which I believe is they're not aiming for cold shutdown at all. Which would likely explain the nearly operating-level heat and pressure. It's just unbelievable they would expect to go back up to 100% with all condenser circulators clogged and turbine pressure release disk ruptured, so I'm not sure how to interpret that. On the other hand there's some advantages to keeping the reactor hot, as many of the systems will keep operating on the heat.
        Also to clarify, atmospheric steam dump when the main condensers no longer function due to reactor having cooled down is much nicer deal as the amount of seam generated and radioactivity in the primary coolant loop will be a lot lower at that point. Still, you'd think they'd figured a way to establish a closed loop for the end-phase cooldown on PWR's by now.

  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    If radiation reaches Europe that can be traced back to these reactors, I wonder how the [ Owners / Operators / Village Idiots ] running them will feel about being sued by the collective peoples of Europe, if that is possible.

    Perhaps they should consider that before venting into the environment.

    • Karnage

      I am not sure we will be around long enough to see a lawsuit friend.

      • davidh7426 davidh7426

        If there's any justice, then the one's responsible for this FUBAR situation will suffer along side everybody else. But I have no doubt that the ones making the decisions are well outside the areas that will be affected while it is happening, and that it's just the [ employee's / cannon fodder ] that they employ who will suffer and probably get blamed.

    • jec jec

      Well Europe has not had any legal action against Japan for Fukushima Radiation..And thats everywhere..so head in the sand…

  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    Radioactive Toxic Waste Found In Drinking Water Globally (James Beck MD); via A Green Road