BBC Doc: Radiation “tens of times worse” than Chernobyl will be scattered if everything melts down — “Fallout could have affected the whole world” — Impact remains to be seen (VIDEO)

Published: February 24th, 2012 at 1:29 pm ET
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Title: Fukushima could have been ‘tens of times’ worse than Chernobyl
Source: TBIJ
Author: Emma Slater
Date: Feb 24, 2012

‘In the control room, people were saying we were finished. They were saying it quietly, but they were saying it. We had to flee. This was the end.’

Last night’s This World: Inside the Meltdown on BBC 2 was the story of the Fukushima meltdowns

[...] which could have rendered parts of Japan ‘uninhabitable for centuries.’

[...] it became clear that [...] the fallout could have affected the whole world, not just Japan. [...]

‘If they withdrew, six reactors and seven fuel pools would be abandoned’, [Former Japan Prime Minister Naoto] Kan told the programme. ‘Everything melts down. Radiation tens of times worse than Chernobyl will be scattered.’

TEPCO forbid its employees from speaking to the press. However, a few broke ranks to speak out about their fears. ‘Many of us thought of running away, but there was no escape. If you actually ran you would be exposed to radiation.’

[...] it remains to be seen whether the radiation expelled will affect Japan in the years to come. [...]

Read the report here

UK residents, watch the BBC video here

Published: February 24th, 2012 at 1:29 pm ET
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53 comments to BBC Doc: Radiation “tens of times worse” than Chernobyl will be scattered if everything melts down — “Fallout could have affected the whole world” — Impact remains to be seen (VIDEO)

  • farawayfan farawayfan

    Right. Except all those things did and are happening, they just won't admit it. But even if it was all successfully contained, cold shutdown, blah blah blah were true, why doesn't anyone but people here recognize , by everyone's admission, even supporters, it is still a technology with the potential to render entire countries unihabitable and fallout across the world? Stupid, dangerous way to boil water.


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    • Dr. McCoy

      Has anyone checked from space? I believe Honshu is glowing…


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      • labmonkeywithagun labmonkeywithagun

        That's how "we" knew in the first place. "We" have eyesinthesky that can see pretty much every gamma emission on the planet. And I'm getting too close to a "Non-disclosure" agreement to say anything else.


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        • James2

          Labmonkey – your post reveals a flaw in humanity that is keeping us from getting to the bottom of this.

          And I never saw it until now – thanks

          The flaw is this. You have obviously worked in some capacity to create something of value that you assumed would be used in accordance with the "rules of life" and the constitution of the US. In exchange you agreed to not reveal the details in a non-disclosure – which is a legal promise.

          However now that entity that you sold the device to has now used it, but related to that use is now allowing it's citizens to be in danger and not telling them about it.

          In other words, you are allowing an entity to commit a heinous crime against mankind – and therefore you… But you are still willing to abide by that commitment you made to them.

          It's a little like being willing to pay somebody back some money you owe them, even though they owe you money.

          Now this could be a self-preservation thing, or it could be an personal honor thing. Likely it's some of each.

          I'm not blaming you, or judging you, I just think this is an interesting dilemma. I suspect many others are in somewhat different versions of the same dillemma.


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          • Could also be a pension thing for many people.
            Maintaining control is part of every second of every politicians thoughts.

            How to establish and maintain control, like through highly centralized electrical supply. Think of how decentralized solar electric would remove a major beating stick they have over us.


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            • James2

              Oh, we have the technology today right now to reduce our energy usage by 40% overnight.

              LED lighting. It uses 1/10 of the energy of incandescent and 1/4 the energy of Compact Fllourescents.

              You know why we don't have it? Because you won't ever buy another light bulb – and GE won't be able to sell them.

              And because we won't need as many power plants – and GE won't be able to sell them.


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              • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                @James2: actually, LED lighting technology is proliferating within the marketplace at a great pace. The fact that they haven't completely replaced incandescent lighting has more to do with the up-front expenditure. The average person is more apt to look at the expense of a ten-dollar versus one-dollar bulb and make what they immediately feel is the judicious choice.

                I've been replacing all the lights in my house with LED lights and it seems like the good old days, when I look at my electric bill. So, as much as I agree with you about the creeps at GE, they have less to do with this issue than the ignorance of the average consumer.

                BTW. Amongst the various duties in my day-to-day life, I also design LED lighting. I'm about to embark on a new design very soon. And the LED is my favorite electronic device! Once you understand the principles of its operation, you are… enlightened…


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  • Sickputer

    Ha ha… Like Fukushima isn't already ten times Chernobyl… And that was the first month. More like 50 times Chernobyl … and increasing daily.


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  • Replacant Replacant

    Yes lucky the reactor spent fuel containing the MOX fuel i.e., the one with plutonium didnt explode and thankfully the 3 reactors just melted through the bottom of the reactors. The food supply was left unaffected no workers died from the radiation oh wait all that did happen its just reported. The lies never stop.


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  • James2

    Well, there's roughly 150 times as much radiation at Fukushima as there was at Chernobyl unit 4.

    They got a portion of the Chernobyl nuke material contained in the tomb. So far they haven't contained a single bit of Fuku radiation. Also, there's been a bunch of plutonium released at Fukushima and almost none from Chernobyl.

    So the headline shouldn't be "could have been 10 times worse". It should be "likely is 150 to 500 times worse"

    This is propaganda in action. For most people in the world Chernobyl wasn't a big deal. 10X Chernobyl isn't a real fear for very many on earth. Make it truthful and say 150 times Chernobyl – even though most folks are bad at math – that gets their attention.


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    • many moons

      They should quite already with the ref. to Chernobyl….not even comparable!
      The headline should just read….unimaginable, unaccountable, amounts of radiation.


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    • How Dangerous Is 400-600 Pounds Of Plutonium Dust Liberated By Fukushima?
      http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/3113305
      A Green Road Blog
      http://www.agreenroadblog.com

      CERRIE Majority Report says
      Dose is meaningless
      ….. “There are important concerns with respect to the heterogeneity of dose delivery within tissues and cells from short-range charged particle emissions, the extent to which current models adequately represent such interactions with biological targets, and the specification of target cells at risk. Indeed, the actual concepts of absorbed dose become questionable, and sometimes meaningless, when considering interactions at the cellular and molecular levels.” (CERRIE Majority Report Chapter 2.1 paragraph 11).
      Source: http://www.llrc.org/wobblyscience/subtopic/dosemeaningless4.htm#ref1

      "The 2 million fatalities per pound inhaled leaves plutonium dust far from "the most toxic substance known to man." Biological agents, like botulism toxin or anthrax spores29 are many hundreds or thousands of times more toxic. Plutonium toxicity is similar to that of nerve gas,29 but given the choice of being in a room with equal quantities of plutonium dust and nerve gas, the latter would be infinitely more dangerous. It rapidly permeates the room air, whereas plutonium, being a solid material, would be largely immobile." Chapter 13 Plutonium and Bombs
      http://www.phyast.pitt.edu/~blc/book/chapter13.html


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      It does not say "ten times worse". It says "tens of times worse" – same thing you are saying. It just relies on people to read carelessly.


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  • This one from the Frying Dutchman, a Japanese musician.

    19 minutes dialogue type musician rant on the street in Japan.

    He really "nails it" with good subtitles. He hit on the whole farce and back room dealings involved with nuclear power.

    The simple fact is—we do not need nuclear energy anyone.

    Watch it and drop a comment or two.

    Yes he nailed it, another nail in the coffin of nuke, good riddance!

    http://nukepimp.blogspot.com/2012/02/drying-dutchman-nails-nuclear-power.html


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  • many moons

    Has anyone checked the temperature of the Pacific. If all those fuel rods went in and heating up the ocean…perhaps that's why the US had such a warm winter-just a thought.


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    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      many moons, good thought.. I had not considered that simple correlation.

      I am certain we have rain created by "seeding" of these spewing particulates..they use silver iodide as it is a more stable form of iodide to seed clouds and now we got the unstable crap just a pumpin and belching in the air..

      Certainly we have seen the heat radiating off that place too..

      I have seen the clouds come in on the TEPCO cam be instantly evaporated away.. so between the heat in the air and in the sea.. surely, there will be an impact.


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    • Anthony Anthony

      Thats a similar train of thought I'm having too…


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    • Every nuclear power plant is pumping HUGE amounts of heat into the air and water, just to keep the nuclear fuel rods cool, both inside the reactor and inside the spent fuel pools.

      There are at least 400 plants and 400 spent fuel pools, and quite possibly multiples of these if we include military, research, university, secret ones, etc..

      What is the amount of TOTAL heat being generated by all of these plants?

      Add that to the heat generated by burning carbon fuels, plus the heat generated by heat trapping gases such as methane, etc.. and it all adds up to a possible reason why all the glaciers are melting, faster and faster, along with the arctic and Antarctic Ice.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_the_Arctic


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      • James2

        We calculated a couple months ago – very rough calculations that Fukushima was emitting 4500 megawatts of energy in the current "cold shutdown" state.

        Enough to evaporate clouds flying a couple thousand feet over the plant.

        Give me 450 of these – maybe that's the cause of global warming.


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  • truthseek truthseek

    When or as we are reading headlines and interacting here….

    Much is simply confirmation that it has already happened.
    The rampant denial in greater Japanese society
    is beyond frightening.

    We all know and realize beyond any scope of news.
    The severity of this is beyond any headlines
    which we have seen. That is beyond us,
    Reserved for future generations.


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  • tjharleycjmp

    Where can non-UK residents see this?


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  • TepcoSievert TepcoSievert

    Well, folks, don't worry, here comes independent good news: a few days ago, the French government, under the instructions of AREVA co. which kindly provided the MOX fuel and then got huge contracts to "decontaminate" enormous amounts of highly active water on the site, went out of its way to reassure us all that the situation is now perfectly under control: the minister for industry Eric BESSON actually "casually" toured the place, got his picture taken, and commented that everything was going fine, and that he found the radiation in the vicinity of the plant to be at acceptable levels; he was applauded by his TEPCO hosts for thus supporting the local authorities' policy of bringing displaced people back to their homes. Only problem: why was he in such a hurry to leave and why was he wearing a full protection suit with mask? Oh, and why does he like to run away, as do Goshi HOSONO and the CEO of TEPCO when faced with pressing questions from journalists?
    Watch video from AFP
    http://www.youtube.com/user/afpfr?ob=0&feature=results_main#p/u/45/0S-U54FqvkE


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  • arclight arclight

    in my view the bbc is playing the same game as the norwegian press.. get a story out about fukushima and maybe russia and blame the european contamination on that!! in my view it the early part of a smoke and mirrors campaign.. i think they will do the same in the usa as its the IAEA organising the whole thing!!

    this is a starter piece for the direction the pro nukes want this to go!! rememeber the director of the IAEA said that 1 more accident and that would be the end of nuclear!

    how many have we had?? why is nuclear not dead in the water? well it is!! and thats why cameron and sarkosy had to bail them out last week!!

    just my penniesworth!

    peace!!


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    • Misitu

      Pleasing though it was to actually see some warty reportage at last and quite frank language from site engineers and ex priminis, I was disappointed in the BBC doco. It needed to be twice as long.

      The chronology and analysis of the accident were accurate enough to satisfy the geek, and the footage both amateur and pro, as well as made up after the event, could be good dramatic couch potato fodder.

      Would it convince my niece not to return to Japan, or her parents to find alternatives? I guess not. And here's why.

      It has been nearly a whole year since the Dai-ichi LOCA, and what we got was a programme about one week. The one week when the heroic workers of Fuxxu (no irony intended) Japan from explosive fallout contamination over a huge area of Japan and the consequent probable termination of Tokyo. OK, that was a good week.

      But what has been happening since then?

      Yup, we have been watching here, and we know that nothing was remedied, nothing mitigated, and nothing measurable achieved, and ditto achievable for the next "ten years, if the technology can be invented by then".

      So, BBC, in the immortal words of Zaphod Beeblebrox:

      "Okay. So, ten out of ten for style, but minus several million for good thinking, huh?"


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    You are all doing a great job considering the entire world appears now to be brain dead. This situation will get much worse before it gets better. I have enjoyed reviewing all the reality and truths stated here at Enenews by all the bloggers who see this Nuclear disaster for what it really is. A nightmare for the entire world with Japan being at the epicenter of the largest Nuclear Industrial Accident this planet has ever experienced. It is time to shut down all Nuclear Reactors and technologies world wide. This is the only wise solution and course of action permissible for mankind's survival. Simple really.


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    • NoNukes NoNukes

      obewanspeaks,

      I am glad that you decided to speak, even though reading the other thread, I'm sure you realize that blogging can be bad for your health.

      Your words remind me of Oscar Wilde's gothic novel, The Picture of Dorian Gray," in which art is more real than reality. Dorian Gray makes a Faustian wish for his portrait to age while he remains the same (instead of the opposite), and thereafter only the painting reveals the corruption of his moral decline.

      Anyway, that is my (typically longwinded) way of agreeing with you. I find it increasingly "gothic" that enenews bloggers and friends like Fukushima Diary and Ex-SFX provide the only reflection of the truth, I find that enenews is more "real than reality" increasingly scary.

      The farther we get away from 3/11, the more people don't even seem to have any idea what you are talking about if you mention Fukushima.

      Most of the time I am able to handle it, but sometimes it is just downright chilling. I feel like that guy in the Invasion of the Body Snatchers, who at the end of the film is out in traffic yelling at cars, trying to warn about the alien pod people, and no one hears as they whizz past, almost hitting him.


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  • … It could, It would…
    But them, thiroid cancer showing up already in Fukushima, killing children! Even specialists recognize it is too early!
    When them the International Community will step in???
    http://www.kanaky.x90x.net


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    The international community is in on the deal. They've all been feeding at the public trough, all have dirty hands.

    Sad thing is, this is the way the world has always been.

    Dumbed down public, amoral parasitic elite.

    Realistically, if you look at any old system that has been around for centuries – well, the way it is, is probably the way it is always going to be.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Btw – I love that comment, "Even specialists recognize it is too early!"


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    NO Nukes – I LOVE Invasion of the Body-Snatchers! – original b&w version. One of the best films of all time. And Dr. Strangelove, of course.

    Silkwood, and The China Syndrome, if anyone here has not already seen those.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Quote: “Fallout could have affected the whole world”

    Isn't it doing that now??!!??


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    NoNukes this is not a dream.

    Our bodies and minds were snatched thousands of years ago and we are all still simply the victims of such unwanted mind/body control techniques. You have identified the slow growing plague and cancer now encircling the globe and its called Nuclear Technology applications. More damage has been done to the Earth's ecosystem and biosphere in the past 60 years than has been done in the last million years. Yet the average blind mind controlled body snatched human has no clue what really is happening or could care less about the future generations who will have to endure this rapidly approaching radioactive ecosystem nightmare.

    NoNukes, you and others can and do make a difference by staying at the forefront of this ongoing battle.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    NoNukes the battle goes on and wisdom can behave as a contagion if we allow the truth to spread like the wind. Truth however is not a form of evil but instead a light to be shared.
    http://www.straight.com/article-415211/vancouver/fukushima-brings-big-radiation-spikes-bc


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    obewanspeaks,

    I love Canadians, and they could decimate this whole foolish project of boiling water, it would wilt under the pressure of even the everyday, garden variety satire they can access in their sleep. I suppose you are right, and they don't realize the power they have.

    I like this comment (after the article) from Toni Reita on your link:

    "Ionizing radiation can break molecules, at a cellular level, causing unpredictable chemical reactions.

    Think of vibrations breaking glass, that is what happens at a cellular level, in your body, from ionizing radiation."

    I suppose that is why myths are important, they can take everything from us but our stories. Yesterday, I again saw Bobby1's response to Arnie Gundersen's sudden talk of Fukushima as something in the past:

    Bobby1
    December 14, 2011 at 3:08 pm · Reply

    Good friend Arnie re-criticalities deny he does.
    Iodine since May sees he does not.
    To the dark side gone over he has.
    The Jedi on their own now they are.


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    • Kevin Kevin

      NoNukes

      The power candians have eh? (had to through in the "eh" just to prove my authenticity ;) )

      Your not wrong. Greenpeace started where I am from on the West Coast in Canada. The recent "Occupy" protests were seeded by a the adbusters magazine, also from here. Captain Paul Watson of "Whale Wars" fame, Canadian, original founder of greenpeace.

      The list goes on. And on.

      That clip from Georgia Straight, Vancouvers long standing and infamous "alternative newspaper" is one a few that came close to touching the truth.

      But, when it comes to nuclear power, Canada does have power to be sure, but not to stop it but rather to proliferate it. We have one of the longest standing nuclear programs in the world. We are one of the worlds largest suppliers of Uranium. Our Prime Minister just signed a deal to triple our shipments to China. Low level radiation research owes a great debt to Canadians as they have provided one of the single largest data bases in the form of nuclear workers than anywhere else in the world. We had until very recently CANDU reactor technology with builds the world over. Our government just gave it away to SNC Lavalin, while we hold the billions upon billions of debt establishing the business and the technology in the public purse contributing – a significant percentage of our Nations debt. Recently new and increased shipments of enriched uraium to the US had been exposed in the media. And this just scratches the surface.

      So yeah we have power, but unfortunately with respect to nuclear, our power mostly works to proliferate not to negate.


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Well, Kevin, dontcha know,

    I had visions of uranium mines as I typed.

    Yet, if they weren't so loonie, Canadians could be very contagious, in obewanspeaks' sense.


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  • Alice Alice

    Excuse me,Doc? Could have?

    It's already happened and continues to happen.

    If you like being cooked or charbroiled, you'll be pleased to know our planet is on its way to becoming a twin to Mars.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The Canadian article was a start but it was inside the comment section that the battle goes on for the minds of mankind. The nuclear shills have no ground to stand on and we Jedi's shall not yield anymore. Our swords of truth must be drawn and the lines must be scorched into the sand.

    Everything we have been told about Nuclear Power Safety and this current technology direction has been a lie and its time to expose this true understanding for what it is. Spread the truth far and wide though out the internet and be relentless in this ongoing battle.

    More an more humans are coming down with cancer and its not a coincidence and they should be told the truth and why.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    NoNukes you are much closer to the truth than you might imagine. Nuclear Energy is a vibrational energy wave now permeating our entire planet simply based on the Nuetrinos now being generated and emanating from each Nuclear Power plant in operation.

    These emanating vibrations must not be good for biological life forms and or the planet in general and if they were "good vibrations" then cancer rates would not be skyrocketing near each plant currently in operation and or for those exposed downwind from such recent Nuclear accidents and or weapon test past events.

    Mother earth is now groaning and this is not a good sign as she attempts to adjust for such nuclear emanating energy vibrations. Another reason to halt all nuclear power generation and activity immediately.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DGPV7SB88c


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