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BBC: ‘The real dead zone’ at Fukushima — Monitor went off scale, over 180,000 CPM — Experts shook their heads when asked where melted fuel is — Tepco: Don’t ask what we’ll do with Reactors 1, 2, 3 — CNN: Tepco only wanted to show us Reactor 4, strict rules about what we could film (VIDEO)

Published: November 8th, 2013 at 1:24 pm ET
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BBC, Nov. 8, 2013: [...] But visiting the plant, it struck me that in our obsession with reactor four we may be missing the real story at Fukushima. [...] As our bus left reactor four and drove along the sea front, I pointed my new monitor out of the window towards reactor building three. Suddenly the needle started to spike – 1,000 counts per second, then 2,000, 3,000, finally it went off the scale. There, outside the bus, just a few dozen meters away is the real dead zone, a place where it is still far too dangerous for anyone to go. No human has been inside reactor three since the disaster. To do so would be suicide. No-one knows when it will be possible to go in. When I asked the same experts how long it would be until reactors one, two and three could be dismantled, they shook their heads. When I asked them where they thought the melted reactor cores were, they shook their heads again. [Tepco] was happy to show us reactor four, but please do not ask what they intend to do with reactors one, two and three.

Asahi Shimbun, Nov. 7, 2013: [...] The locations and the condition of the melted fuel for these reactors remain a mystery. It apparently dropped to the containment vessels through the inner pressure vessels housing the reactor cores. [...] In addition, TEPCO has not determined the extent of damage to the pressure and containment vessels. [...] The road map for decommissioning work could drastically change depending on the conditions of the melted nuclear fuel and the damage to the containment vessels.

NHK, Nov. 6, 2013: TEPCO will also need to clear rods from pools at 3 other reactors in a worse state. [...] They have been hampered by intense radiation and problems like inflow of rainwater. They’re anticipating a bigger challenge in removing molten fuel from reactor containers. TEPCO hopes to start that stage in 2020. Workers are prevented by high radioactivity from fully studying the reactor interiors.  [...] TEPCO officials are seeking international cooperation to develop a machine that can remove the molten fuel, an operation never tried before.

CNN, Nov. 8, 2013 (at :30 in): There are strict rules about we can and cannot film. But this is the part of the plant Tepco wants us to show, Reactor 4.

Watch the CNN broadcast here

Published: November 8th, 2013 at 1:24 pm ET
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70 comments to BBC: ‘The real dead zone’ at Fukushima — Monitor went off scale, over 180,000 CPM — Experts shook their heads when asked where melted fuel is — Tepco: Don’t ask what we’ll do with Reactors 1, 2, 3 — CNN: Tepco only wanted to show us Reactor 4, strict rules about what we could film (VIDEO)

  • Hot and Bothered Hot and Bothered

    Ha! Is there any this can be real? (the cnn video) Everything looks perfect!
    Maybe Tepco just finished building their tv set.

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  • weeman

    I know the obstacles that face mankind appear to be insurmountable, but that does not mean you are not going to try and you have to start somewhere?,
    I have and many here have always known that we can only mitigate the problem as best we can, you can not put genie back in bottle, period.
    Now stop your sniveling and let get to it, what was will never be again.

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  • bwoodfield bwoodfield

    Smoke and mirrors.
    "Look at number four, we're doing stuff there"

    If they can show that they are doing something, then the rest of the world will ignore the other three reactors and let them go on with the Olympic games. That's what important to them, showing the world their pride, when it's their pride that's killing the world.

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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The olympics being held in Japan will destroy the finest of what is left in the human gene pool! :(

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  • Hot and Bothered Hot and Bothered

    Yep… Nice shiny green paint, Tepco employees and their guests casually strolling around….
    This will probably work great for them.
    I can already tell this will be referenced over and over by friends and family pointing out how everything is fine.

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  • Hot and Bothered Hot and Bothered

    "CNN: Tepco only wanted to show us Reactor 4, strict rules about what we could film"

    I'm sure they just didn't want them to film their after party with their little bee larvae rice cakes etc…

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  • own_quality

    I'm becoming less worried about the fuel removal from 4 and way more worried about the massive and ongoing (forever?) poisoning of the pacific.

    I used to think that the end of the world was near because of SFP 4, but now I believe that Tepco can actually pull off the unloading of this pool without a major disaster occurring.

    The irradiation of the pacific seems to be an almost entirely hopeless situation.

    Then there are the SFPs of reactors 1,2 & 3. What if there is another big earthquake and one of those pools is damaged and goes dry? We've all been told that they are at least currently holding water. I find it very hard to believe that reactor 3 SFP could be more intact and stable than 4 – as has been repeatedly claimed. How can they possibly work on removing spent fuel from these 3 buildings if they become further compromised? The radiation levels will be too high for humans to enter for many, many years and you know the fuel handling infrastructure has been destroyed in at least 1 and 3.

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    • soern

      "I'm becoming less worried about the fuel removal from 4"
      Right! It is empty since April 2011.
      SFP4 is the only almost save place at Fukushima Daiichi if at all.
      They built up a big media event show for removal of non-existing
      fuel assemblys in order to cover up major problems with molten cores which likely are on the way to magma now.
      They (Tepco/Abe) just need a success story to get all their other NPPs restarted.
      Japanese people will be so silly to believe that "removal"-story.
      If courious, read:

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    • We Not They Finally

      "IF" there is another big earthquake? There was a 7.3 in recent weeks plus two killer typhoons, and with no reports on damages. But every time a new radiation reading is reported, it has spiked exponentially. We tend to get very involved with "IF." What we need to know is "ALREADY."

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  • jackassrig

    One poster-can't recall who or whom-said the neutrons from one unit may excite another into critically. Don't know but it made sense. TEPCO covered 1 and 2 for some reason. Of course it is difficult to stop a neutron. Maybe TEPCO is trying to reduce the neutron flux. I just don't know. This is way over my pate. I think it may be over the experts heads. This technology is way to complicated for mortals. The more I read from the experts the more I realise they are as lost as a goose in a snow storm. I appreciate Anne, PattieB, Kassendra, Grampybone and others for trying to enlighten us.

    If there were a plan, people could rally and try to stomp this horrible thing out. There just isn't a plan and to me that is most discourging. The poor lost souls just don't have a plan and you know I don't think TEPCO or Japan will ever have one.

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    • mairs mairs

      There weren't any explosions at 2, so it still has it's original walls. They punched out a panel to let the hydrogen escape. The radiation is too high for them to enter though. They covered 1 and 4.

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    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      Hi Jackassrig! so, if you haven't seen the neutrons excite one another, you should check out the video of Nuckelchen's I just uploaded. Hurry, as youtube likes to make his videos disappear!

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      • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

        This is what the tepco cam used to look at for anyone that is new. The fly on the screen is when the loop starts, each time with a different treatment..

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        • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

          Cataclysmic, can you explain to us just what we were looking at in that video? Being a layperson I always wish there were voice-overs instead of music behind these videos but perhaps they are meant to only be for the benefit of the trained eye?

          Are lack of comments underneath trying to avoid the youtube whitewash?

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          • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

            Well, Phil, I am a layperson too, and I may not be exactly right, as I am no expert, but, my understanding is that the nuclear reaction can spread, and did, across that complex. The tepco cam used to have this view, Unit one on the far left, then unit two, behind and left of center light pole, Unit three is/was right behind and to the right of the center light pole(the tangle of metal) and then four/combined spent fuel pool off to the far right. This occurs to be criticality spreading across them. At least from many hours of cam watching, and seeing criticalities often in the beginning, they seem to breath, if you will.. they start small and then grow and grow and grow and then they seem to put themselves out or ?, only to start again. Electrons exciting other electrons.. It might be helpful to go back in the history of enenews to July of 2011, as there were many comments from people smarter than myself on this subject that explained it. Sorry I can not tell you more. I can tell you these videos vanish from youtube, I had many links that are no longer valid to his many, many, hours of work. We learned so much from what he captured on the cameras and pointed out to us. I just re-posted it last night but this event happened in July of 2011, and was all over youtube once upon a time. I found it and was able to download a copy, but not so lucky with any of the others. Sorry I can not explain it more scientifically.

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  • larry-andrew-nils

    "Gray whale dies bringing us a message — with stomach full of plastic trash"

    that is a headline from july 29 2013

    i wonder if the radiation has killed off much fish on the north atlantic.
    was the whale so hungry from lack of … sardines, for instance, or am i reading too much into this?

    i do know that the current flows up over Alaska and to the eastern side of Canada where it goes in the direction of the west coast of Europe.

    my spidey senses are tingling… still hoping for nuclide-induced-superpowers….

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  • zurls zurls

    What I find very revealing is the theory that TEPCO's bumbling is an act to hide the fact that they were using Plutonium at Daishi and DID NOT have approval to do so. If that is the case this is a whole other kettle of three-eyed fish.

    By the by, this is my first post! I've been reading this site for over a year and it is fantastic! Keep up the awesome work!

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    • We Not They Finally

      Yes. Yoichi Shimatsu (an excellent Japanese-American anti-nuke journalist)says that MOX fuel was supposed to be illegal in Japan when it was brought in by Shinzo Abe (present, but also former P.M.) as facilitated by the Cheney cabal, just months before the catastrophe. It is unfathomable how FORTY YEARS of spent fuel from six huge reactors (any one of whom larger than the one at Chernobyl)was kept on site, PLUS the fuel currently being used, PLUS the deadly MOX fuel with plutonium.

      Then, of course, all located on an earthquake fault, over an aquifer, on porous ground, and on the ocean. They even sliced off what would have been a protective cliff adjoining the ocean, to make cooling easier.

      If the world had asked Satan himself to handpick which site anywhere would be blasted apart to most effectively destroy Planet Earth, he would have gone right to Fukushima Daiichi.

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  • Alpha1

    Read… do research into the letter… but it backs up what I have been saying. I am so excited we will be able to move on creating ways to clean this mess up or at least protect us going forward. Hopefully we can find away to preserve nature and the other innocent creatures.

    Wow how do we protect all our children and get these mother Fu****!!!

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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Dead zone is anywhere radiation is spreading with winds and groundwater because it's non-stop, 24/7.

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  • Nick

    Units 1-4 are listed as permanently shut down as of 5/19/11

    Units 5 and 6 are in cold shutdown

    We know what cold shutdown meant for units 1-4.

    I sincerely hope folks are paying attention to 5 and 6.

    Combined, these 6 units generated an average of 4,546 Megawatts of electricity via fission reactions
    in super secure containment vessels. The heated water became steam and drove the various high
    pressure turbines.

    But all along, some radiation leaked or was vented (Unit 1 on line= 7/18/74…. ending with Unit 6 = 10/24/79).

    How on earth did we con ourselves into thinking even SOME deliberate release of decaying atoms was okay?

    From the mining of uranium to the processing of spent fuel, to the (not) safe storage of the waste, this stuff is deadly.

    And don't give me that crap about a coal-fired power plant releasing way more radiation during it's lifetime than a safely functioning nuclear plant.

    2020? Are we supposed to feel reassured that TEPCO is on top of corium removal? Hah. How are they gonna pick-up any of it…and where then does it go?

    It sucks, but life as you know it has changed forever. Forget 1/2 lives, decay rates, oh we'll invent new technology to clean up our mess bullshit, etc. We are talking about this crap being on earth until the
    end of the solar system. That's BILLIONS of years.

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  • rogerthat

    All the ballyhoo about 4, this looks like a movie set, How Tepco Saved The Planet. People around the world watch with bated breath as Tepco successfully removes the contents of sfp4 to another pool 100 metres away, hooray. All for show, so we can carry on believing most of its fuel load didnt enter the atmosphere 2 1/2 years ago, and that there have been no fires since. Maybe that's why it's no more dangerous than a toaster – most of the bad stuff has left the building.
    Then the next step will be the NRA gives them permission to restart the world's biggest reactor down the road, and maybe others, because, hey, they're on top of the situation.
    The extent of the cover-up tells you the size of the problem. Nobody in government or the industry talks about plutonium or the the fact that there was at least one nuclear explosion. No-one talks about the missing reactor cores, where they might be, the problems they pose, what we can expect.
    No-one talks about the airborne radiation circling the globe. No-one talks about the effect of radiation on living organisms. No-one talks about what people might do to protect themselves. The US west coast is clean and safe, no radiation has arrived. It will one day but, hey, the Pacific is big, it will dilute anything, no worries, its all safe.
    Yeah, so safe that maybe one day soon no-one will need shark nets.

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    • Oncewaslost Oncewaslost

      Good summary.

      Whats interesting is people accept the fairy tale because " telling the truth would be so much worse" ya know, because the economy.

      They are so good at bending minds, that we ourselves believe it is in our best interest to be lied to. So much so we believe the lies in many instances.

      I have seen people get bad news… in the end they actually deal with it pretty well.

      These people are self preservationists. They are psychopathic and what we really need to do is wrestle the power and privilege away from them as they have proven, in spades, they are incompetent and not able to wield the power they have amassed.

      This is humanities first priority. There is nothing we can do to clean up Fukus mess.. nothing… we can only clean up those responsible.

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  • zak red ridge

    3 is gone, core in the northern hemisphere, complete with the spent fuel. 4' s spent fuel I don't think is present after viewing the fires post explosion. I can't under stand what TEPCO are not allowing us to see. Worrying over the removal of non existent fuel , is one TEPCO' s best secrets! I wonder?

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  • pure water

    "When I asked the same experts how long it would be until reactors one, two and three could be dismantled, they shook their heads. When I asked them where they thought the melted reactor cores were, they shook their heads again. [Tepco] was happy to show us reactor four, but please do not ask what they intend to do with reactors one, two and three."- They spread poison and still dictate rules! Wellcome to the total absurd in full speed!

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  • Ontological Ontological

    This is such ho hum BS people…This site ~> shows the FUKU rads to be 160,000 CPM to 180,000 CPM daily. This is not news it is more bullshit for the bullshit layer someone out here mentioned is getting very thick…How much longer can they focus on the lil mouse in a pink tutu tap dancing in the corner of the china shop, while a totally freaked out elephant destroys the entire shop?

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  • mhocker10

    The Pacific is dead…. it just hasn't caught on yet.. its getting there. The mass panic from the West moving East looking for resources when they start to die off in droves from cancer. 1/3rd of the countries food supply, gone. Wake up… 22+ Million people will be fleeing the West… think about it.


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    • mairs mairs

      I think it will be slower than that. There will be more cancer, more heart attacks and thyroid problems. We will generally sicken more than we did before, and life expectancy will move downward, but I think people will continue doing what they've been doing… going to work, to school. I think the attitude in Japan is human nature. Carry on because what else are you going to do.

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    • ShutItAllDown

      22+ million feeling the west will be wasting their time.

      Those that can afford it will be fleeing the northern hemisphere. The ones that can't will pressure their governments to invade various countries in the southern hemisphere to secure land for the billions left in the north. Lots of nasty armies in the north that will happily tend toward fascism in order to secure the safest areas in the south for their offspring.

      World outlook: Screwed. Unless Australia opens it's borders and divides up it's unpopulated areas between all the northern hemisphere countries and figures out a way to keep all the different religions apart. Good luck with that.

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      • The Carrington Effect is coming soon, to a planet called Earth.. All of these puny actions will be to no effect.

        All nuclear plants and spent fuel pools will melt down within hours at all the same time.

        No one is getting ready… no one is preparing for this. No one seems to care.

        #4 is a puny mosquito compared to the Carrington Effect.

        Who cares about #4, or even the whole FUKU complex? It is still NOTHING compared to what is coming, guaranteed.

        It would not cost much to counter this risk.. but so far, no one is listening.

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  • Ontological Ontological

    Wake up indeed I have! The East coast has been trashed by the same crap the West coast got. And flee where? I used to be from the East coast, nothing there that the paper, coal, and oil industries hasn't poisoned LONG ago, and why I moved to the mountains of the West long ago! It's not "safe" anywhere these days. Besides it's not hungry people ya gotta watch out for sooner or later; its packs of even hungrier dogs! That would just as soon eat you AND your food. Think about that…

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  • CB CB

    T E P C O E I E I O
    dang nab it!

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  • We Not They Finally

    Interesting that the reporter cites reactor 4 as the LEAST dangerous of the four reactors in question. Reactor 4 is apparently lethally dangerous to the point of an ELE, and it is the LEAST dangerous? Apparently so.

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    Sorry for the double post but we KNOW REMEDY FOR RADIATION ELIMINATION!

    Where is the discussion on radiation elimination? There is NO DANGER FROM RADIATION if we transmute it with PROVEN METHODS.

    There is no reason for the Fukushima FEAR-PORN.

    Here's the link FOR REMEDY.

    There is no excuse to for IGNORANCE. To ignore FACT IS INSANE behaviour.

    I'm NOT judging – I am nescient (no knowledge) – I just want LIFE – for you, me, our children, Earth…

    Note the use of the TORUS for eliminating radiation. Phi Mod9 Vortex Based Math = CORRECT MATH FOR THE TORUS.

    Free energy = NO MONEY. Are we ready for FUN?

    I am.

    Correct math FOR STRENGTH – FOR YOU.

    May Peace Prevail on Earth

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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I don't even use them for predict the local weather.

    NOAA Douses Fears of Fukushima Tsunami Debris Heading to the United States
    Nov 7 2013

    The concept dismissed with the wave of a governmental hand..

    But there is a discussion to be had.

    Tsunami Debris Presentation by Curt Ebbesmeyer and Jim Ingraham
    Dec 14 2011

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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS. A realistic conversation needs to happen.

    RDS-EDES- SPECIAL REPORT Tsunami Trash Adrift to Hawaii – Hawaii News Now – KGMB and KHN

    Nov 22 2011

    Along with/and behind it 2 1/2 years of radioactive it radioactive? the Great Pacific garbage Patch becoming more radioactive?
    I assume ..yes.

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  • Cooter Clyde Scalf

    Prepare for what you know is true. You cannot believe for one minute that TEPCO and the Japanese gov. is giving you the truth. Doing a job of this magnitude cannot be done in the dark and requires an international team.

    TEPCO needs to stop the rod removal at building 4 immediately.

    This now can only be done with international, political pressure. Write/e-mail your elected officials of your concerns and tell the Japanese gov. to act now with US support. Then tell your friends to do the same. Our congress can do this or maybe not so much.

    The EPA, FDA, IAEA and NRA are incompetent and have proven this by their inaction, disinformation, misinformation, no information and avoiding the truth. Bureaucracy at this level of government is ineffective to help, we the people and humanity as a whole.

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  • Based on their actions to date, even with MASSIVE protests, and tons of local opposition, they are proceeding ahead with restarting nuclear plants, while at the same time hiding everything, and covering up 99% of what does come out…

    With this kind of depth of denial in such a systematic way that covers media, medicine, nuclear industry, government from national, regional and local plus the civilian associations such as fisheries union, it may have to get much worse, before it has any chance of getting better.

    A Fukushima Radiation Victim And 'Whistleblower' Speaks Truth To Power; via @AGreenRoad

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