BBC: Work at Fukushima Unit 4 a “distraction”; The “real nightmare” is coming from 3 molten cores — NYTimes: Melted fuel is “all over the place… First goal is simply to stop uncontrolled releases of radioactive material” (AUDIO)

Published: December 7th, 2013 at 7:01 pm ET
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BBC Tokyo correspondent Rupert Wingfield-Hayes, Dec. 6, 2013 (at 2:30 in): They’re doing this work because that’s the easy bit. Reactor 4 was not badly damaged compared to the other reactors. There was no core meltdown, so that is the one that they can sort of get to grips with […] Reactor buildings 1, 2, and 3 where there were core meltdowns, the radiation levels there are still way too high for anyone to go in those buildings. So I think Reactors 1, 2, and 3, the reactors that had core meltdowns, are the real long-term problem, and a very difficult problem to deal with. Reactor 4 is a bit of a distraction. It’s important to get the fuel out, but it is the easy bit. […] the really big headache [is] to keep those melted reactors cool, which they have to do for many years to come. They have to pump water into the damaged reactor cores […] It’s a real nightmare to manage this ever-growing amount of water. >> Full interview with Hayes here

New York Times reporter Matthew Wald* (at 46:30 in): The water, about a thousand tons a day, comes through the site and some of it goes into the basements of these ruined reactors, and these basements now have radioactive material in them. […] The water when it reaches the ocean just about meets international standards for drinking water, it’s barely polluted […] but it just looks awful that two and a half years after this accident, you have not contained the radioactive debris. […] [The fuel] is not molten anymore. Of course it’s kind of like candle wax that solidified, but it’s all over the place and getting it out is going to be a challenge. […] little bits of fuel got out on to the space around the vessel into the basement, etc., etc. It’s dangerous, it’s highly radioactive. On the other hand it’s not really in a public place. […] But probably the first goal is simply to stop uncontrolled releases of radioactive material, and they haven’t quite reached that yet. >> Full interview with Wald here

* A pro-nuclear blogger discussed Wald earlier this year: “Matt Wald of the New York Times recently reviewed a new book on America’s nuclear waste storage saga [...] Aside: Sadly, Matt’s post was one of the last posts ever published on Green, which just announced its demise due to budget constraints. It’s a crying shame; Green provided excellent coverage [...]“

Wald says the Fukushima plant is not a public place, so pieces of nuclear fuel in the cooling water isn’t as big of a deal — and that the leaking water used to cool the fuel is barely polluted. Here is what independent nuclear consultant John Large has said on the matter:

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219 comments to BBC: Work at Fukushima Unit 4 a “distraction”; The “real nightmare” is coming from 3 molten cores — NYTimes: Melted fuel is “all over the place… First goal is simply to stop uncontrolled releases of radioactive material” (AUDIO)

  • rakingmuck

    Been waiting for this. We all know the work on 4 is a grand distraction. But again tell me with radiation so hit it spikes to infinity how any human being can get in there?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    But probably the first goal is simply to stop uncontrolled releases of radioactive material, and they haven’t quite reached that yet

    Simply..sigh…


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  • Jebus Jebus

    1001 days of Fukushima global contamination,
    and it's still day 1 of mitigation…


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    CORIUM IS INVINCIBLE . . .

    They can't fight this battle. Nobody can.


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  • Ontological Ontological

    They finally have noticed there IS an ELEphunt in the room. Now maybe the lil mouse with a tutu dancing in the corner of the china chop can finally have a coffee break. I don't think there is a single piece of china left intact in the shop however, and that ELEphunt is still hiding from the mouse in the china shop storage room. I maintain that when I first found out about the horribly dirty detonation of unit 3, as I watched in total dismay (when the power went out I knew this was to be the result) a strong feeling of pain overwhelmed me for all that will soon suffer, and die. I still feel that pain first hand because what I had to do 2 years later after the R3 explosion, when a fuel flea got in my nasal, was survive a sudden onslaught of skull cancer, and needed bone replacement. If you think your pain threshold is large, try to fly for an hour or so at 30,000 feet with your skull/jaw rebuilt, and do it 5 times in a year following 12 hours on a robo-docm and 10 days in an ICU! So trust me I still feel the pain of everyone/everything out there suffering/dead both in my mind and physically. I could get demanding like a few have, and call for this to be ended, but I know that is perhaps not possible now. Even if it was and it could have been brought under control in the first YEAR. Now it is too late, due to some impossibly stupid leadership worldwide that loves nothing BUT money!


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    • ANOTHER ELEphunt that supports the creation of the nuclear monster we call nuclear reactors is

      1,000 US Foreign Military Bases In Foreign Countries – 2 Trillion Dollars And Rising Cost; via@AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/09/1000-us-foreign-military-bases-in.html

      Just another 1,000 links in the chains that bind us to nuclear power.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Ontological, so sorry to hear of your suffering. Wishing you hope, peace, joy, and good health.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Ontological, we are SO SORRY you are going through this! And the part about "sudden onslaught of cancer" is a warning to us all. We just had a dear friend diagnosed with TWO cancers and is having TWO back-to-back surgeries. And of course they are hoping it will be "separate cancers." But that is so rare, to suddenly have two separate cancers. And maybe it's not as scary as hearing some horrible word like "metastasis," but it's still scary. When did that used to happen?

      One of the cancers is thyroid, which is still a rarer cancer than others. The other is lung, and with a non-smoker.

      We are at the point where we ALL need to protect ourselves — with good water filters (reverse osmosis, ionization, alkalization, mineralization), lots of anti-oxidants, no sugar or processed foods. Also BAKING SODA is great for keeping the blood alkaline, which is a natural cancer preventative.


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      • Ontological Ontological

        @WNTF & HoTaters, Thanks for caring, and yes WNTF I was taking great care not to have cancer, vegan, non smoker knew of the alkaline thing etc. plutonium/uranium dust does not care what it is killing. I got luck,y and they saw it in time due to my prior diligence. BTW for your friend, I have learned Vermont maple syrup 3 parts to 1 part aluminum free sodium bicarbonate, is a good way to fool the cancer cells into alkaline poisoning by taking in the sodium bicarbonate along with the maple sugar. Heat syrup to 120 F then mix the two together and remove from the heat. Cool and use often for 10 days. This is a very good way to discourage cancer cell growth if you have symptoms or have been early diagnosed. Whatever stage your in (I was stage3+) this could help. Double cancers are basically new, the combined effects of iodine 131, cesium 137, strontium 90 can cause two "rare" cancers together.

        Stage 34 head and neck facility @UCLA is basically the only real hope of survival, immunofluorescence, and soon nanotechnology, is aiding in getting out all cancer cells from the head/neck, without the need for radiation, or chemo. This and many other MRA/MRA CAT and robotic "cures" will quickly be invested in by the same evil group of corporations that have brought us to this nuclear nightmare. And sadly they did NOT bring good things to life. I fear the light at the end of this tunnel however, may be the oncoming headlamp of a speeding locomotive!
        Keep educating each other!


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    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Ontoligical- I am so sorry you have/are going through such terrible and scary health problems. Thank you for sharing your personal experience, your strength and grace are apparent, and I know everyone here is pulling for your recovery.


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  • ruppert

    TEPCO allowing an account of what's happening that we all kind of have thought already.

    You know the drill: What they are not saying is the killer

    Be very afraid

    I'm going to hide under my bed

    I wonder why the Times are breaking ranks or are we about to see a sh*t storm that they won't even try to deny.

    I feel like I'm on a roller coaster going up the first big climb.


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    • We Not They Finally

      I don't call Matthew Wald's article in he NYT "breaking ranks" at all. He even said we were safer because "Fukushima isn't a public place." And they "haven't quite reached" stopping the radioactivity?

      He should be fired and an honest journalist put in his place. But of course they won't do that.


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      • We Not They Finally

        Oh, and the part about the "barely polluted water" gushing into the ocean. They need to fire him.


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        • unincredulous unincredulous

          NYT- "It’s dangerous, it’s highly radioactive. On the other hand it’s not really in a public place. […]"

          Funny, how he says that it is not in a public place, as if that makes the situation any better. Really had to work to come up with anything that could, at least in the mind of an apologist, be considered "positive."

          So, why do the police keep sending S.W.A.T. units and police into meth labs in homes and into crack houses? It's "not really in a public place."

          BTW, unit 4 is one hell of a "distraction." If that's the rabbit pulled out of a hat, I really will hate the main attraction.


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        • Journalists these days seem to be part of the nuclear cabal, reporting only what they are told by the nuclear 'experts' while doing NO RESEARCH outside of that.

          The press along with the politicians have prostituted themselves out for the $$$. At the very least, they are guilty of not looking at and reporting both sides of the issue, and reporting only ONE side of things, the nuclear industry side.

          That is why AGR Project looks at the 'other' side exclusively, because the press WON'T. It may seem unbalanced, but in this extreme world where the press, politicians, regulators, government, and researchers are all on ONE side, what is left, except to go to the other side to try and bring some balance?

          A word picture perhaps? AALLLLL of the kids in school are sitting on one side of the seesaw. Now just 1 kid goes over to the other side, and tries to pull it down…

          It is all about balance… and right now the balance is non existent..


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  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    LOL… Day 1 of Abe's State Secret Law & both the BBC & the NY Times, two of the worlds biggest news organisations, are both talking about Fukushima.

    How's the new law working out Abe ??


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  • ftlt

    They are starting to tell the truth… It is out of sight out of mind no more… It's here!!!


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    • Not really… still hiding 99% and admitting only 1%.. nothing has changed yet.


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      • ftlt

        Goodheart: I disagree here. This will not go the way of "conspiracy theories" in the public mind – as they won't be able to hide the measuring of this toxin's presence and there is no boogie man to blame. (One good thing about radiation, it is relatively easy to monitor its releases – the toxin can't be hidden)

        Will we learn to live it it – yes – we have too. Later to ignore and accept it, probably = human nature.

        Can FUFU be mitigated, I don't know. This is where your 99% lost corium comes in – We are looking at one of the largest/costliest engineering projects in the history of the man to address it.

        But, I do know this has been let out of the bag in a major way now like never before.

        Was the info delay about shifting money – yes – sure. Well, duh!

        But, when people are afraid things change and change fast. A the people are becoming afraid.

        All across Eastern Asia and North America, the reality of FUFU is finally settling into the main stream.

        FUFU is the monster that does not die.

        This is something ALL classes must confront (a major game changer) – you cannot use your wealth to hide from it without changing your life and those of the ones love – People don't run or move on easily or live in controlled holes(no matter how nice) for long.

        FUFU is coming and it is coming to stay is the new popular mindset. This is different than it was 3 months ago.

        And it will kill you and yours in horrible ways for 100 of years to come


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    • We Not They Finally

      I'm with Dr. G. on this. Let's see what happens if/when they actually start to report honestly. Sometimes there are just tidbits offered and everything downplayed because they think that that will "innoculate" people. But really it's just crap reporting that tells us little to nothing.


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  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    I've just been reading that blogger article mentioned at the bottom of the piece, and words fail me, all that I can say is…

    WOW!!! I am STUNNED that this IDIOT is a member of the same race as me, it really makes me ashamed to be human.

    All that I can say to this person is…

    EDUCATION, get some… QUICKLY!!!


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  • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

    "The water when it reaches the ocean just about meets international standards for drinking water, it’s barely polluted"

    2100 Bq/L meets international standards?
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/2013/1232274_5130.html


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    • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

      Note to self:
      "NRC, Sept. 2013: 10 Bq/L [of cesium-137] is the World Health Organization drinking water standard. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) limit is 7.41 Bq/L. (Limits converted from Bq/L to Bq/m³: WHO = 10,000 Bq/m³ and EPA = 7,410 Bq/m³)"
      http://enenews.com/bloomberg-fukushima-isotopes-are-nearing-west-coast-official-u-s-ocean-water-to-have-100-bqm3-of-cesium-137


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      • Yea, we know LOTS of people will be drinking ocean water.

        The real concern is what does 10 Bq/liter do in the food chain and to the animals that feed humanity all across the Pacific ocean food web? How does bio accumulation of radiation affect all of the hundreds of thousands of species.

        Just the tiny preview we are getting does not bode well..


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        • What does 2,000 Bq/liter do to the food chain?


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        • Grampybone Grampybone

          2,000 Bq/liter m(3)/Alpha/Gamma/Beta destroys molecular bonds with the electron decaying in a space. 1Bq/liter m3 means the electron is occupying that space of liters in it's rotation. A single decay can kill bacterial life. Mars lost it's atmosphere through Ionic contamination from traveling radiated solar currents. Earth will lose it's from the creatures that walked upon it's surface. Complex food chains of bacteria in the ocean feed a network of animals that produce foods for each other. Entire colonies of species mankind has not even discovered at a microbial level live at the bottom of the Pacific. Increased methane levels can be explained by massive oceanic die off at a bacterial level. Every organism releases a methane when it dies on a carbon based diet. Gross but true.


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          • Ourself Ourself

            I wonder how contaminated the jet-stream is.

            I wonder how contaminated the ocean currents are.

            They're literally putting poison in the metaphorical veins of the Earth.


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            • bo bo

              Ourself : in regards to jet stream.. a teen just died today on a delta flight flying from Seattle to Atlanta. Reason was cardiac arrest.


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            • Au Au

              Ourself, well, lets see. On April 22, this year, on the way to Minneapolis, at 37,684 feet I did a 10 minute read and was getting 3.7 microsieverts and 1018 cpm (10.18cpm x 1000 divided by 10)with the Inspector. Alpha blocked.

              Everywhere I flew I took readings every 10 minutes. Readings went from .82 microsievert, 288cpm to ones like I mentioned in the first paragraph. Most readings were just under 2 microseiverts and in the 600cpm range.


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      • Grampybone Grampybone

        World food is going to become very scarce when the fish markets go dry. The standards of living for entire civilizations is threatened and the who affair has been handled like a game of piggy bank between the US and Tokyo. Collusive hands willing to suffocate each other in a loving embrace of atmospheric AND OCEANIC contamination. You nuke me I'll nuke you and we can all be friends in the ashtray. Mutual Assured Destruction indeed.


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  • bo bo

    Unit 4 a distraction… the real issue is the corium…

    Ahahahaha
    Sounds like journalists have been reading enenews… 2.5 years too late.


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  • mesa777

    Were screwed!! Just nuke the plant and call it a day! Not sure what else we can do! Level the plant in a huge multi nuclear weapons discharge then bury it under tons and tons of concrete and other nuclear absorbing material!


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    • VanneV anne

      If you nuke the plant you will just put much more in the ocean and air. And then some will reach the magma of a nearby volcano and even more will go into the atmosphere. The geology and placement of Fukushima makes it impossible to entomb and makes it impossible to put in the earth. Why do you think the whole world is so afraid of what will happen if unit 4 goes critical? Just this alone makes it an ELE. Although we already have an ELE. Nuking it will just ensure that we all die on that day. We being everyone on earth.

      Nukes are NOT the answer to anything.


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      • KiloCharley KiloCharley

        Well said anne. I'm grateful you can speak in layman's terms without 'bitch slapping' most of us. Patience is your virtue and it serves you well. Much respect.


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        • Au Au

          KiloCharley " I'm grateful you can speak in layman's terms without 'bitch slapping' most of us. " lol! Yeah, really. Here, we are on the Titanic and there's really no reason to expend any energy bitch slapping newbies or anyone for that matter. Everyday new people find out they are on board the nuclear Titanic and it is the kind thing to do- to bring them up to speed. It doesn't cost anything but a little effort. Thanks anne.


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          • bo bo

            I agree with above comments – Thank you always anne, and take care of yourself.


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            • VanneV anne

              Thank you all for your comments. I'm trying to prepare for the final for my online free class in Complex Analysis. But I have jammed my printer and the paper tore off where I can't get to it. Oh, well.

              I suspect in the middle of everything, China's trying to take over some of Japan's islands which have rare earth metals is kind of the last straw of human idiocy. I don't understand why there has been continual warfare and killing in the whole history of mankind. And fighting with uranium or nuclear weapons or HAARP is destroying the world. Why would humans have to destroy everything so no one can have anything? They would rather destroy everything than to let even one person have something.


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          • KiloCharley KiloCharley

            Au, your comments are insulting and degrading. "Here, we are on the Titanic and there's really no reason to expend any energy bitch slapping newbies or anyone for that matter." In the first place, NOBODY was talking to you! and second, your "holier than thou" attitude sucks. Get over yourself already!


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            • We Not They Finally

              Calm down, guys. People just get sarcastic. Mostly it's just people's frustration. No one has to talk about "bitch slapping" in the first place. It's insulting to women. So just calm down. We're all in the same boat. You know, The Good Ship Titanic.


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              • The english language is a constantly evolving communication tool. Slang terms have different meanings in different regions.

                Contrary to most definitions, the “bitch” is describing the “slap” rather than the destination.

                See http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bitch%20slap

                Also bitch slap can refer to a verbal response.

                For some, free speech is only cool when its what they want to hear. Myself I abhor censure of any kind.


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                • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                  I thought it was a term..for the 'backhand slap'.
                  It's a bad term..hate to hear women saying..
                  "Ya..I'm a bitch".
                  Not sure why modern women prefer that.. as opposed to being..a kind, good woman.

                  PS..I did refer to one of the opposition as this..
                  I still mean it.


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                  • Kind and good is not in vogue. Bitch is not politically correct. I am not politically correct. Neither is the dictionary it seems.

                    bitch |bi ch |
                    noun
                    1 a female dog, wolf, fox, or otter.
                    2 informal derogatory a woman whom one dislikes or considers to be malicious or unpleasant.
                    • [in sing. ] informal a thing or situation that is unpleasant or difficult to deal with : the stove is a bitch to fix.
                    verb [ intrans. ] informal
                    express displeasure; grumble : they bitch about everything | [as n. ] ( bitching) we're tired of your bitching.
                    ORIGIN Old English bicce, of Germanic origin.

                    Too each his own. Quenton Tarrantino movies are my favorite. My female co-worker says she never did get those movies. I would love to be in a room full of Enenewsers. Besides our interest/concern in the triple meltdown I wonder what if anything we have in common?


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                    • bitch-slap
                      verb ( -slapped, -slapping) vulgar slang
                      [ trans. ] deliver a stinging blow to (someone), typically in order to humiliate them : I'd bitch-slap her too if she mouthed off to me like that.
                      ORIGIN 1990s: originally black English, referring to a woman hitting or haranguing her male partner.


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                    • But I never understand why once a month or so someone suggests dropping a nuclear bomb on the triple melted through containment nuclear disaster we call Fukushima. But it always comes up. Nuking a triple meltdown is a bad idea.
                      Bitch slapping is just a slang expression connoting an emotional response devoid of clear rational thought. I would like to hear the rational for nuking a triple meltdown. Just curious.


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                    • SadieDog

                      @ Mark – I don't agree with ' bombing ' it either, but I'll take a shot at explaining why it pops up. Maybe, these people are just starting to understand how the physics of all this works. It's not a one day course, to say the least. It's possible they are thinking, ' blow it and bury it and it'll be over'. They could just be looking for a solution. At least they are in the right place to learn, right?


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                    • SadieDog, I was in my nefarious way trying to illicit a response from Messa777 who started this thread. Maybe he/she got scared off. Sorry don't think that was anyones intent. But yeah, maybe that is an uneducated response to a complicated situation. So technical this nuclear stuff is. Just trying to explain it in laymans terms, as I am a layman there is no other way, could be an essay to be handed in to a University Proff.
                      Is tempting to say just nuke the whole fucking island. Yeah, see your point.


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                    • mesa777

                      At this point with the amount of radiation coming in from the coriums I know of no other methods available to man to clean up this mess without the use of heavy explosives. A multi detonated nuclear device(s) would destroy the complex allowing for a complete cover of glass and concrete. The coriums are free and loose and causing all kinds of problems at Fukushima, there is no way to control the coriums without destroying them all together. We cannot keep feeding water to these coriums for one million years folks! Its only been since 03/11/11 and we have tons and tons of water waste tanks on the surface, how many in say 5 more years, 10 more years?????? No way to store all of this water.

                      The world needs to get along for a couple days and come to a conclusion on how to control this situation. What we DO NOT NEED is another war in the Middle East or China/Japan, we have a ELE EVENT that needs containment folks! ALL nuclear needs to end, the human race cannot control nuclear power as this has been proven in both Fukushima as well as Chernoybl. Nuclear power is DANGEROUS!!! What we need to do is BAN all NUCLEAR POWER/WEAPONS in the world!


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  • Bottom line, the Japanese have created a global ELE event with no end.

    Now, they are totally committed to covering this up, not solving the problem, and then…

    creating even more ELE events, by restarting nuclear reactors, building more of these WMD buildings for other countries, creating more secrecy laws to better hide all of this, and building lots of nuclear bombs, so they can use them on whatever remains of humanity in the future.

    How many ELE events do we need?

    The Japanese seem dead set on creating infinite numbers of ELE events, with the help and support of the US government, and nuclear industry.

    Crazy is as crazy does…

    Suicide by radiation


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  • Bowtieman Bowtieman

    Earth is not a public place… Ok den….. What did Anne say….anencephaly….


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  • weeman

    What do you think we at enenews have been broadcasting for the last two and a half years and not one of us is a professional journalist or nuclear scientist, but we know the potential and the truth, it is beyound human control and in the hands of probability.


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  • VanneV anne

    The reason the work at Unit 4 is not a distraction is that if there is a criticality and nuclear explosion at unit 4, the whole plant will go up and will have to be abandoned.


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    • KiloCharley KiloCharley

      anne, are you convinced there IS an SFP4? I assume you have read the FOIA doc's. Understandably preliminary reports are often wrong. (lube oil fire, LMAO..) But it seems that it was confirmed SPF4 was obliterated. No?
      Is it possible "the worst case scenario" has already happened? And that "they" do not want to create panic? We certainly don't want to talk about Mox fuel in reactor 3. As you know, Hatrick Penry has done an outstanding job covering this


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    • razzz razzz

      Interesting anne, workers and visitors seem to cohabitate(?) with radiation hot spots throughout the plant site albeit they are wearing semi-protective suits. Notice in some pictures of the site that you can still see the greenish spray on material to keep the radioactive dust and particles from flying around but then there are weeds growing that absorb the radiation from the soil and they don't even bother to kill off the plant life onsite. Do the gardeners just bag the radioactive cuttings and call it all good?


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      • VanneV anne

        Razzz, probably dumping everything in the ocean. When the IAEA suggests that we should think about putting radioactive water in the ocean, this is because they have been doing it all along. The Great Tohoku Earthquake is precisely on the map where there has been a nuclear dump site for years.

        With all the incinerated nuclear waste dumped into Tokyo Bay, why would any athlete want to travel to Tokyo? Why would anyone want to visit any Olympic site? The total disrespect of the nuclear industry for any person is really horrible. They are crazy to think that everyone will believe their lies. Of course, they are completely crazy to support nuclear energy in the first place.


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  • rakingmuck

    The nuclear warheads are not in Unit 4


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  • RonM

    Why are there no updates about the fuel assembly removal at Reactor #4 Storage Pool? Last info I can find is from Dec. 2, 2 casks transferred, Shouldn't they be working on the 4th Loading by now?

    The Olympic gift to Tokyo will most probably be rescinded and was just a grand moral gesture to Japan to build morale in the population because of the severe psychological trauma of having their homeland and fishing grounds destroyed, and causing the worst global calamity known to mankind while in existence.

    Anyhow since there are so many nuclear plants operating around the world and more being built and many are very old there will probably be another major nuclear disaster to compound to this one and all the previous radioactive contamination, along with the plastic debris, oil spills, pesticide and fertilizer run-off, sewage, heavy metals, acidity, overfishing, and good old ocean dumping, and I'm sure some more contributing factors, well just how much can the ocean take before it dies?, and has parts of the ocean already begun to die, does dead areas contribute to spread of more dead areas?

    Things don't look to good but is it really an "ELE" Extinction Level Event?

    If it is an "ELE" how long is it going to take to cause the massive extinction, specifically humans?


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  • eyesopennND

    Shouldn't we as people have a lottery or a gathering of children n move them to a safer location. To try and ensure the human race. It is a hard thing to grasp but so is the situation. To send a child away but it needs to b done to give us a small chance. Think about it


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  • Stax Stax

    The only mention of the bbc in relation to FuQshima is on ene news,here in Bonnie Scotland the BBC are reporting zilch,unless it has to do with Mandela or Gidiot Osborne and his latest economic illiteracy-no mention of the ELE,unfortunately.


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  • FXofTruth

    "Matt Wald says the Fukushima plant is not a public place, so pieces of nuclear fuel in the cooling water isn’t as big of a deal — and that the leaking water used to cool the fuel is barely polluted."

    Well Matt,
    Can we see you swim in the "barely polluted" cooling water so, you can prove what you say is true?" I mean, if you are not to be thought of as a boldface liar, you will take my challenge and publicize it so everyone will know you are right! Otherwise, why should ANYONE believe what you say if you don't back it up with action?

    See, I think you are a boldface liar and are as stupid as stone about radiation effects. You have NEVER been to the melted plant to make such an assessment that counters the assessments of people who WORK AT THE PLANT and sneak out the true information about the conditions there!

    So my assessment of you is….idiot at large.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, we are all surely surrounded by Idiots who are now in charge! :)


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Had to chuckle as I went to a couples Christmas party/gathering tonight and we are talking about getting tests up the butt etc, as preventative etc. Here they are all lining up gleefully for their inserted scopes up the butt and I find out several friends of theirs have since died of colon cancer.

    So we continue on and I am talking to an educator of 30 years, a vice principle, and find out his sister died of lung cancer as she had a small cough for several years, diagnosed stage 3, treatments, chemo and now she is dead and gone.

    I bring up Nuclear Power and its Radiation Contamination and the cancer negative effects the industry promotes and the current effects that Fukushima is having and I am told that what I am saying is an opinion? This is an educator that I am talking with and he is the same like/type person in charge of educating our future youth. This man who is in his 60's did not care one bit and my opinion based on 15 years of personal research made no difference in his brain and he would have none of it as a provable entity all while the people he knows are dropping dead from cancer?

    His sister never smoked a day in her life. :(

    WE my friends have huge learning curve/problem to deal with out here!


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    • bo bo

      Obe.. I know. What is amazing is, at the least, it's just 'an opinion'… as Heart of the Rose brilliantly described it – 'brushed off like crumbs at the dinner table', then, time to pour some more expensive 2011 california wine.


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Yeah, no kidding. I went to college a few years back. One of the classes I took was physics. I had some questions about the September 11, 2001 event at the twin towers at the World Trade Center. I asked my physics teacher if he could look at the math involved. The answer was , "Our government would never be involved in something like that." Really? Now, I would understand an answer like that from a government class teacher.

      When I was young, I never expected I would use algebra at all. After returning to school, I thought just maybe at least I could get a decently interesting conversation out of the deal. Nope. Education is such a waste. Those that can, do. Those that can't teach.

      I bet the Japanese thought that their government would never tell them lies, like "Radiation won't affect you if you are happy." I can only imagine what a tornado drill looks like in Japan. "Now, class, we have a tornado coming. You all know what to do, right? Everyone smiles…


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      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        They just don't get it and they really think that they are all living in the Land of OZ with the Wizard himself who will soon grant their every wish…

        Problem is all the Wizard ever did was lie.. :(


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      • bo bo

        Unincredulous, regarding education… do you know how HARD it is to pass the exam to enter Tokyo University ? Most government officials in Japan are Tokyo University alums ir something similarly ridiculous. The one guy who really understands and grasps the situation at fuku – taro yamamoto – oh right, he never graduated high school.


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        • bo bo

          So how can we believe him, right ?


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        • unincredulous unincredulous

          Educated to uselessness is definitely possible. I myself barely passed physics, I'm sure. Felt like I was the product of a mill. So many courses went obsolete as soon as I took them, or shortly thereafter. I switched degrees and now I am educated in the field of art. I bet a high school test in the 1940s can not be passed by most college graduates today. I know I could not. My dad did not graduate high school but he raised eight kids in a nice home. 5 bedroom brick home, large kitchen and living room. He rode a bicycle to work his entire life. I have a college degree and I cannot get a job in my career field. I work at manual labor and it is not enough money to step into my career field. Nowadays employers are looking at the clothes you wear, the car you drive, so rich kids have the advantage. My rich relatives have kids with better equipment than I have. But raised in the proud tradition, they won't have much to do with me, or they live far away, and I won't ask for help. All in all, I have nothing against those without formal education. I know a guy who makes very collectible art with stumps and a chainsaw that I can not even dream of making. He has no education, but lives in a barn, and has land. I had to take manual labor jobs to survive, so I get no art experience. I live in public housing and if I made a mess in the apartment, I could get kicked out. I am sure that Tokyo University has fine training in the field of tactical lying, though.


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          • unincredulous unincredulous

            You know, I think that I should move into my mom's basement and be a professional conspiracy theorist. At least I would have what the stereotype mandates. That's it, isn't it? The stereotype. Odd thing about stereotypes. Since everyone in Kentucky lives in a mobile home, I suppose that would imply there are no conspiracy theorists in Kentucky. Sol. So, I guess I would not fit anyone's image of what a conspiracy theorist looks like. I guess I won't quite my day job.

            I'm sure Taro is just fine. It is the character, not the education, that is most important.


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          • bo bo

            @unincredulous
            Taro is more than fine…!!!
            Currently being a conspiracy theorist is my second job.. I hope to become professional one day… but my mom lives in Tokyo and she doesn't have a basement.. and I don't really know if I want to return to Tokyo. Ever.

            I don't make much money either… but not really jealous of the rich people around me with houses in cape cod.. dont want a summer home or holidays in the sun… I just want clean food water and air… but I think that is considered being bratty these days. My patents spoiled me perhaps.


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    • lorenajazmin lorenajazmin

      It is extraordinary. I think people are overwelmed. You / We are asking them to look at their mortality. As a society we are highly trained to avoid that at all costs. I have had the same experience again and again by a wide range of people, often the more educated the greater the denial. (Interestingly, I am including an oncology nurse in this observation…) Somehow the modicum of education and privilege they have received has made them a participant to a very sick system. Often it has been the friends with less education and in fact the african american friends who are not surprised, they have not been privy to these middle class and above educated privileges and have seen it ALL before. The large majority of people seem to be highly trained to want only to smile in all social situations. Extraordinary, extraordinary…


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      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Yes, the current power of the operational multi-layered control Zeitgeist Matrix is Extraordinary! :(


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      • zogerke zogerke

        and it is a mind set. imho, with some privilege (based on skin color, resources, economic upbringing, etc) many live with the fiction that the government means what it says and operates in their favor. We Are Here To Help You. For often, the govt and US / state/ city power structures and services around us DO operate to help us, when we fall into a range of demographic categories. BUT: If you are living/ born/ exist without that privilege, whether due to skin color or economic resources or other demographics…you do not assume the power structure is there to help you. You know that is it there to keep you supressed. And therefore, finding out the government lies is no grand revelation, and a four year old knows the real deal. But folks with comfortable lives – for some, it may be a revelation. And unravelling one piece of lifelong assumption may create a perspective shift that calls into question other essential assumptions…which is almost like going through a death. Shaky. And so, enter denial and kill the messenger reactions, for that is less painful than questioning your assumptions of lifelong safety with the 'powers that be'…….and none of this assumes that there aren't very good people everywhere trying to do the right thing as they understand it….


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Native or First Americans in the U.S. seem to "get it" too, as do most people from Mexico. Now we white people are having to wake up, because we're no longer privileged. I mean, the people running the show, TPTB don't give a rip whether we're black, yellow, off-white, red, or green. To them we're all "useless eaters." Imagine my surprise as a white person when I "woke up." Imagine what it was like when I realized many of the people of color around me had been smiling at me, nodding with understanding, as I went through life in a trance.


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        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          Perhaps if you had smiled at them, when you weren't in a trance..
          Those that eat 'off the land' will be the first affected..
          The Spirit Road..does not mean.."Idle No More".
          It is walking the fine line between the real and the spirit world..
          Plenty of time (well not really)..to figure it out..


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    • ftlt

      OBE: You should have dropped trou right there… And shown him, the big brown eye of righteousness of the force..

      Heck, it would been in step with the party's colon theme.. And might have kicked off the party in a whole new direction..


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    • ManWithThePlan ManWithThePlan

      I'm not certain of the exact symptoms, or your precise observations of his behaviour/conversation, but he may just have a case of post-traumatic stress or something. Obviously it's kind of thin, but if his family member died, he just doesn't want to talk about anything in particular, possibly depression has made him apathetic to the issue at large, news events, other people's opinions, etc.

      Unfortunately, I predict that we will be seeing more of this kind of apathy/depression in the future, as people either fail to come to terms with the situation, or it suddenly comes to bite them in the ass through the most unexpected and sudden of circumstances.


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  • Speedy Speedy

    Who is the biggest threat to the “American People”? Why it’s American people of course. Free thinking, clear minded, well informed Americans were more dangerous than the Soviet Army and more dangerous than a cave full of al Qaeda boogeymen.

    http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2013/12/07/john-judge-democracy-real-and-illusory-1988/

    Is everyone else delusional…they think we are the problem….


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Never heard of John Judge before. Seems like a man. If we could get this kind of man together and see if something could be done. I mean, he talks like he knows how things really are, and isn't afraid to face up to it. Things suck, I know that. What can be done? As he says, when the constitution was written, people used to send someone in a carriage to Washington to represent them. It's all they could do. Now, we have communication in place to have a place representing your own views. But there is no mechanism in place to get things done.

      When people blog, some say they are doing nothing, just armchair politics. I can imagine what it was like for the first cavemen. One guy started talking and people laughed at him. A few people started talking and the people kept laughing. Then a critical mass of communication was reached. The talkers took over.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    :) the Free Thinkers are far and few between… :( Must be all the fluoride being dumped all over the place..yummy!


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  • We Not They Finally

    Please is there a humane way to deal with this hideous unfolding..We cant run and we cant hide…Meanwhile back in the ranch….


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  • tsfw tsfw

    How has all that salt water not already eaten through everything. We're by the sea and we have had to replace fridges, stoves and laptops on a yearly basis. We're lucky if a laptop makes it 9 months. An oven has even spontaneously exploded on me, and let me tell you, it throws you, it's not just in the movies. This is just from the daily sea spray. Hey we're really fucked if reincarnation is real aren't we. We'll come back as radiation tolerant microbes, oh joy.


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      If we're lucky. Might be peaceful to be a rock…


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    • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

      Tsfw, where are you that that happens? I wonder if that is reflecting some chemical changes in the water.

      My grandmother was walking distance to the harbor. I lived somewhere near the shore most of my adult life, one year only a few houses away from the boat I sailed on (it wasn't expensive back then if you had roommates) and I don't recall ever having those problems. Instead I remember gram's washing machine, fridge, and stove being ancient. Also she had one of those 50s tables w/the chrome siding and chrome chairs. Still had them in the 70s. They were pristine. When we lived on Cape Cod year round,in our teeny little CCer and before the prices totally went crazy, TVs were fine but you did sometimes wake up w/everything wet from Cape Cod fog. The computer I bought and had there actually lasted for about 7 years. I did have to throw away virtually everything I had stupidly stored in my basement, though. Mold, mold, mold. ;( That was around 2000.


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  • Obe, you are talking about the nuclear industries ace up its sleeve, the ignorance of the (educated) general public. You could be emmersed in a toxic radioactive environment that would make you dead inside of a year but the air would smell fresh, the food taste great and life appear good. Me a youngster in my fifties, can sort of relate to those in there sixties as I remember the old fashioned attitudes towards nuclear. I watch a lot of old movies. Nuclear science was the next big new thing and mankind would conquor all with this technology. Shades of that attitude still survive. At the mall yesterday.
    The Apple store has that symbol of the atom you know the circular lines and dots symbolizing the electrons flying around the nucleus.
    I'm sure the marketing gurus just thought it was a cool retro symbol of the future to add to the decoration of the store, no conspiracy here. But it shows how ingrained this attitude is in our society. Shades of the fifties tailfin cars nuclear hypnotic wonder in the Apple store.


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    • m a x l i

      @Mark, you can find this "nuclear stuff will save us all" message in all kinds of shades and variations in some rather new hollywood movies. When an asteroid or some other calamity is aiming to destroy planet earth, you can be certain, before you watched it to the end, that some heroes (always americans, of course; preferably military kind of guys, of course) will move out, tackle the problem and save every man, woman, child and mouse on planet earth from disaster by using nuclear bombs to destroy the culprit. You can expect the tension to rise and to see a lot of sweat in the heroes' faces, because they nearly don't have enough bombs to fulfil the heroic task.

      When you leave the movie theatre, your sub-conscious will be thinking: "God in heaven, I sincerely hope we have sufficient nuclear weapons!"


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Its all a conspiracy my friend anyway we look at it, and yes, I think Apple is surely involved in some fashion.. :( The Picture of the Atom..thats a good one for subliminal marketing of/for the human brain waves..GE must have put them up to it! :)


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  • Obe, you give them to much credit. If it was a conspiricy, then those in charge would be brilliant geniuses. However I believe Fukushima was a colossal mistake made by a bunch of fuck up cowards who would rather lie then admit their mistakes. Apple is involved only to the extent that they went from on the edge geek technology that freely gave, to money grabbing buck a song freedom sucking mega corporation drones. However you may find one of our world leaders or industry brains at the Genius bar trying to figure out how to turn on their new iPad. Should have got an Android.


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  • Obe, what truly makes me sad is how impractical it would be to deliver some well deserved bullets to the stomach and liver of some very selfish politicians, lawyers, scientists, bankers and the like.
    I guess I'm selfish too as I have my own interests at heart. But anything anyone can do to not support this evil money making (for them) machine should be pursued. Buy used, buy local. Play a guitar. Support your local black market. Dont drive if you can. At a buck a song I have bilked iTunes out of thousands of dollars and I don't know what netflix charges for a terrabyte worth of movies. We are being poisoned not for some elaborate conspiricy theory but because the world has let a bunch of ignorant fuck ups take charge. Seems kind of complicated to fire them at this point. Still you should do what you can…..

    http://thepiratebay.sx/


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    • m a x l i

      @Mark, there is nothing wrong with being selfish. Everyone is selfish. But there are the clever selfish and the dumb selfish. The clever selfish know: When everyone around me is doing well, then I will be doing well and will not much have to worry. The dumb selfish only think: me, me, me – which never does work out in the long term.


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      • selfish |ˈselfi sh |
        adjective
        (of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure : I joined them for selfish reasons.
        DERIVATIVES
        selfishly |ˈsɛlf1ʃli| adverb
        selfishness |ˈsɛlfɪʃn1s| noun

        I was being facetious in my original use of selfish. There is a difference between self preservation and selfish. This is a big world and there is plenty for everyone. Now if Japan cleans up its nuclear mess it will go bankrupt messing up the economy and power of the truly selfish minority. The other option is to lie, let the melted cores disolve into the Pacific, save the money for the banking community and allow many innocents to die before their time but preserving the status quo. This is what is happening now. No it is not right to be selfish. Like I said its a big world and very possible to live well without messing up your neighbor. But psychopaths don't think like that, do they.


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        • m a x l i

          I understand and agree. I borrowed your facetious (never seen that word before, had to look it up) use of "selfish" and called the healthy non-anti-social self preservation "clever selfish".

          What are the main characteristics of psychopaths? I suspect what would come to mind first would be: no empathy, selfish, manipulative, notorious liar. But what impresses me the most about those people which I as a layperson would like to put into that category is how incredibly stupid they are. This is, I think, where we could tackle them.


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          • How incredibly stupid they are. Agreed. For short term gain they built these plants so cheaply they caused a huge meltdown disaster that totally bankrupt Tepco which up to that point was hugely profitable. I would call that stupid. But now the trick is to not fix the problem they made by downplaying and lying to the public at large in order to preserve the economic engine that works well only for the few ridiculously wealthy. In short not to clean up the mess they made to save their money. That is selfish and cowardly.


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        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Great thread, and yes, it appears that selfish, chasing selfish, desiring more selfish, promoting selfish will eventually end up being our entire worlds downfall :(

          That is only an opinion.. :)


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    • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

      Vote for Mark's Avatar for PM!


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    • ManWithThePlan ManWithThePlan

      Oh yeah, it's the 'Bay! Democratic consumerism at its best (don't know where we'd be without it)

      :-{D


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  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    "The water when it reaches the ocean just about meets international standards for drinking water, it’s barely polluted…. "

    I stopped reading there, for obvious reasons. This Matt fellow is certainly insane. I wonder how many read his article and believe him.


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    • Cisco Cisco

      And so, what will be the consequences for the psychopaths who foisted the lies and deception about the safety of nuclear; many knowing that nuclear fission in the wild could be the end of mankind, when the GP discovers that which we've been discussing for more than a 1000 days?

      I predict nothing, like the frog in the pot. Disease and death will overtake us and our masters, but most will continue to toil to serve them first…SSDD. They will still be in charge, the folks who caused the catastrophe, working to fix it, like TEPCO and BP recently.

      RE prices are still firm on the Pacific Coast Highway, in and around Malibu. When prices begin to plummet as joggers on the beach are collapsing and the fish kills are nauseating, possibly then the willfully ignorant will take notice.


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  • tsfw tsfw

    Most people believe him I'm sure. Isn't it interesting how in the past so many people were quick to jump on the doomsday bandwagons like the Mayan prophecy,Y2K, planet x or nibiru. But here we have a real life catastrophe and nobody wants to so much as look at it. I would have assumed all those people would be jumping for joy – I guess it's not so fun when it's real hm.


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  • Speedy Speedy

    Just for S+Grins I responded to a clist rant about a seafood restaurant and posted " you really are eating seafood?" ..Well the public has lost touch…I get a couple of emails back along with responses..they all prove NO ONE HAS A CLUE…one said " still woried about the radiation from China?" ..referencing fukushima being in China…How the hell can we wake the masses? ..I understand the intelligence level I was dealing with but ..Wow..I just thaught I'd test the water in that (genetic) pool…Apparently a waste of time..


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  • Seeker

    Oh such evil in psyops. I awaited the day MSN would cover the dangers so that people would learn they need to prepare for "a good death.". Suckered again. Statements like Wald's actually make it harder to awaken the public. They did the same thing with chemtrails.

    I am grateful to enenews that so many of us do know the truth and can try to spread it despite the evil of the social engineers.

    And for those of us who are spiritual, we can try to work out our own salvation (this is much broader than the Christian sense of the phrase).

    May we summon our courage and use our time wisely, from my heartache to yours.


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  • bo bo

    Quoting unincredulous from above so it won't be missed :

    BTW, unit 4 is one hell of a "distraction." If that's the rabbit pulled out of a hat, I really will hate the main attraction.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    If this is a nightmare, then these are the monsters…

    Wait for them, it's their show…

    http://vimeo.com/78955466

    A curious video, to say the least…


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    N O R T H E R N . H E M I S P H E R E . D Y I N G

    Our fate was sealed with the first nuclear plants built in the fifties.

    And the only solution now is to move to the Southern Hemisphere, w/air and ocean patterns independent of Northern Hemisphere.


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  • rodgersericv

    Given the constant lies coming from TEPCO and the Japanese government, the rumors that this was a secret plutonium production facility for nuclear weapons doesn't seem so outlandish.


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  • Stax Stax

    As far as waking the masses goes-we are pretty much screwed,although hitting google+ threads and venting of spleen assists in maintaining an objective outlook(sort of)


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  • eyesopennND

    Why did my comment get removed it was in enenews guidelines


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  • TalonThorn

    New York Times reporter Matthew Wald: "The water when it reaches the ocean just about meets international standards for drinking water"

    Matt, I'd like to see you actually have to drink that water.


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  • Nick

    International Standards for drinking water are set by morons.

    The same kind who don't give a frack.

    The same ones who think arsenic is a nutrient.

    etc.


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  • Nick

    All nuclear power plants are secret weapons production facilities……..

    Atoms for Peace. Yeah right.


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