Published: November 5th, 2011 at 3:27 pm ET
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Nov. 2 — “An almost certain rise in cancer rates for millions of people is the best case scenario from the continued leakage from Fukushima Daiichi reactors No. 1, 2, 3, and 4,” writes Bianca Jagger in a letter to Japan’s ambassador in the UK.
Here’s an excerpt:
“I would like to convey to you the concern of the thousands of mothers and those who have signed the petition, and to appeal to the Japanese government to do everything in its power to limit the radioactive exposure of the population, by meeting the following demands.
- The dangerous radioactive rubble at Fukushima Power Plants and the other areas around should be left at the site of the disaster.
- Efforts must be focused on ending the ongoing fires at the plant, and people should be evacuated from the immediate area in accordance with radiation levels set before March 11th.” [...]
Read the letter in full here: The letter I delivered on behalf of the Japanese mothers that live in fear of radioactive exposure from the Fukushima disaster, to Japanese Ambassador
Published: November 5th, 2011 at 3:27 pm ET
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I’ll sleep well knowing Bianca is on the case…
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It’s a disgrace that Bianca Jagger has to do this. The UK Prime Minister and the President of the US should do it.
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Yes, well said. At least someone prominent has a conscience and the will to say something.
I am trying to link the three words “our” “gutless” and “politicians” into a phrase that makes sense, and I think I might just have done it.
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In spite of her humanitarian efforts, Bianca wil get no Satisfaction
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http://tergeist.wordpress.com/2011/04/30/prompt-criticality/?blogsub=confirming#blog_subscription-4
Interesting read, will be helpfull to most of us.
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So ah….
…who’s Bianca Jagger?
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that’s exactly what I was wondering
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She was Mick Jaggers wife. Mick is the lead singer for the rock band ‘The Rolling Stones’. She was herself a professional model at one point I believe.
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A very serious activist for some thirty years. Someone who has for a lifetime put her money where her mouth is and her conscience first. Someone well qualified by reputation and lifework to be heard by the gutless politicians who infest a number of so-called democracies.
At last, someone has spoken.
Politicians lacking intestines and/or vertebrae, please listen: and act.
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James, Bianca Jagger is Mick Jagger’s first wife. She is also a human rights advocate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Jagger
Seems Fukushima is getting more mainstream. Hope this doesn’t mean situation worsening.
God Bless
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Yes…old Big Lips himself…saw him in Houston in October 1981 at the Astrodome…an Astrodome vendor got shorted money from a customer or some dispute like that and stabbed a fan goer to death. Freaky.
The Astrodome officials went to full patdown searches of concert goers after that. I came back and saw Roger Daltry and the Who the next year at the stadium. All the hippies had to really hide their glaucoma medicine well before they went inside.
What gets me as significant about Bianca’s letter is this sentence:
“Efforts must be focused on ending the ongoing fires at the plant”
SP: How convenient the main stream media never mentions the “nuclear fires” are still burning at the stricken plant. A nuclear fire does not have to have wooden walls burning or graphite rods smoking like Chernobyl…a nuclear fire at Fukushima means many tons of the reactor fuel is red hot….3000 degrees centigrade or higher at the core of the bigger masses and is releasing radiation every second of every day since March 11, 2011.
The term fire which the main stream media will not print….means the place is still out of control…which it is!
Fire is the taboo word for MSM, just as corium is for Tepco.
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I think the new code word for out of control is ‘spontaneous’.
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Oh, thanks, HT, for translating more code!
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It’s a weasel word used in big corporations’ management training and “team building” courses and means much the same.
Of course, “spontaneous” relates to “honest” which throws the same sort of light on the dark corners of corporate culture which have led us all to this pretty pass.
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Exactly, just show me the corium
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Good point SP about the use of the word fire.
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“Worsening” and “Fukushima Dai-ichi” seem to have become synonyms.
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Leaving the rubble at the site of contamination makes sense to me, and I assumed in the beginning that would be done. The area will be an exclusion zone for hundreds of years at least anyhow.
a. The area that the rubble is located will receive further contamination. It is like putting buckets under a leaking dam instead of repairing the leak.
b. Hauling and the removal process disturbs more dust. The train and trucks used will be contaminated permanently, they are driving them through residential areas.
c. There is no point until there is a safe place to store or dispose of the material. (if ever)
d. Bringing the rubble to Tokyo to burn it is insane.
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‘Nuclear power is a hell of a way to boil water’
by Linda Greene
November 5, 2011
Photograph by Heide Smith
Dr. Helen Caldicott foresaw the Fukushima nuclear disaster in her 2006 book Nuclear Power Is Not the Answer. The cofounder of Physicians for Social Responsibility now calls it “by orders of magnitude many times worse than Chernobyl.”
According to the scientific secretary for the European Committee on Radiation Risks (ECRR), when senior employee of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission the late Professor John Goffman resigned from his post, he said, “The nuclear industry is waging a war against humanity.”….
http://www.bloomingtonalternative.com/articles/2011/11/05/10834
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5910006/Lyall-Bay-sea-creatures-a-mystery
The identity of a mystery clump of alien-like creatures found beached in Lyall Bay yesterday has puzzled experts.
Thousands of the tiny creatures were spotted washed up yesterday afternoon.
The transparent creatures with black eyes and little legs could be from deeper water as they were darker than what is normal for intertidal species, a Niwa spokeswoman said. Auckland University associate professor Mark Costello said the creatures could be either Phronima or Hyperia amphipods.
Phronima lived inside salps – gelatinous animals that float in plankton – and fed on their innards while using the tube for their home. Hyperia live inside jellyfish.
Both swam through the water using their back legs and despite their gruesome appearance were harmless to humans.
“I wonder if the maker of the movie Predator had seen them as they could inspire some good sci- fi,” Mr Costello said.
But Victoria University PhD student Lisa Bryant said it appeared to be a Themisto australis, which is the only species found in coastal mainland New Zealand.
They formed in dense swarms and other strandings had been reported in places such as England and Canada.
Themisto were some of the top predators in the plankton community, she said.
Mr Costello said such a beaching was unusual and the creatures were probably washed ashore by the wind.
Their eyes and legs were too large for sandhoppers.
Have you seen these on the beach? Tell us what you think by leaving a comment below.
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Wow, bizarre…
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Report: US topsoil contains levels of radioactive cesium up to 10,000 percent higher than previously believed
Few in the mainstream media are talking about it these days, but radiation from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster is still spewing into and contaminating the environment. And a professional engineer from Worcester Polytechnic Institute’s (WPI) Department of Civil & Environmental Engineering says that levels of radioactive cesium in US topsoil have recently been detected at levels up to 10,000 percent higher than previous studies have found.
Marco Kaltofen, PE, has been investigating nuclear material release as part of his dissertation, entitled Radiation Exposure to the Population in Japan After the Earthquake. And samples of US topsoil he recently collected and analyzed revealed levels of radioactive cesium up to eight nanoCuries per kilogram (nCi/Kg), which is about 10,000 percent higher than levels previously assumed in a study by the University of California, Berkeley (UCB).
The UCB study included soil samples taken from various locations throughout California. The sample containing the highest level of radioactive cesium came from Sacramento, and registered at a mere 0.0739 nCi/Kg. But Kaltofen’s readings, which are believed to have come from somewhere near the Cascade mountain range in the Pacific Northwest, were more than 108 times this amount.
What this means is that individuals living in areas like the Pacific Northwest and California continue to be heavily exposed to high levels of Fukushima radiation that are blowing over from Japan. And if Kaltofen’s readings are accurate and indicative of exposure levels throughout the region, the food supply coming from that region is most likely also highly contaminated with deadly radiation.
Cesium-134 and cesium-137, both of which were identified in the soil samples, have a relatively long half-life. Cesium-134 takes two years to decay by half, while cesium-137 takes a…
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Nice font Taco.
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Yes, just a bit hard to read, slightly bigger would be better
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I like Big Fonts.
http://www.naturalnews.com/034048_topsoil_radioactive_cesium.html
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I missed that one entirely TG. Slipped under MY radar. Thanks!
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See what ?
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Interesting!
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http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:KGoHJyLFATUJ:www.evs.anl.gov/pub/doc/Cesium.pdf+cesium+137+table+of+decay+beta+alpha+and+gamma&hl=en&gl=ca&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShQdmbNw298TFUrUQobNKEq2XTiS0d2Ov1Eh0SZRUDEPxiVhM8mIMjbqX1Jd4-7_8LvzUMBYbXrJt0WzrBIYgltNm8ODlEf80HIaeWPqnLBS6O_rarFt51IU3D0NgITud_TzP37&sig=AHIEtbS1sPuigB23v07zuc_dn1BPBEWBUg
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The problem with this nuclear disaster is that very little can be done. You can evacuate people and hope the workers can take measures to control the melting core. There is no way human life will be sustainable within a 250km radius of the stricken plant.
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Hey, maybe they can open it up and roast some weenies and marshmallows on these cute little ‘fires’?
Get some of the high ranking officials to send their kids in there and put them on TV, singing campfire songs and making smores.
That will surely solve the problem and stop all of this complaining and whining about ‘radiation’ and danger… right?
Let’s get Ann Coltour of Faux News to lead the charge and then send over all of her audience to vacation inside the ‘safe’ and ‘normal’ reactor core with a raging radioactive fire inside of it..
Maybe they can spend a day inside of each one, taste testing the molten radioactive core material, after it is cooled with a bit of water and ground up to sprinkle on their breakfast cereal.
After all, she claims that the more radiation you get the healthier you become. Lets try it with all of the Faux News reporters first and then follow that up with all of their audience members.
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Does anyone know what level of radiation is in the water after they process it through those treatment filters on site?
I saw a government official drinking a glass of water that was origionally from one of the Fukushima basements, after being ‘treated’… What was it, that he was drinking?
Is it really that safe?
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He either:
a. Fell on his sword for Tepco
b. Drank from a substitution glass
I’m thinking b.
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I don’t believe we have an audit trail for this water sample.
Oh, and I don’t believe, either, that we have a radiation reading from it.
pure puff.
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The only way to do that test is with the press recording the source of the water. If that water was so safe I want to see him lick a wet reactor floor and then snack on a dozen or so nuclear mushrooms.
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Good going Bianca Jagger, thank you.
People who are in the spot light usually have more clout, connections, they will get a quicker reaction. Could you imagine if most every celebrity wrote to them.
Thank You
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http://www.bloomingtonalternative.com/articles/2011/11/05/10834
Nothing new, but something to pass onto the laymen.
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Move the rubble? Why would they want to move the rubble? Are they going to move the spent fuel rods, too? If not, why move the rubble?
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Now the planet is small and Nuclear industry must go. Please remember to
help stop the Vermont Yankee reactor must stop it by March 21, 2012. The
State of Vermont is being sued for closing it,when closed it will be first reactor
in the US.closed by the actions of the people.
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lol… I’m on it. I spent at least two hours yesterday lecturing my wifes parents about this. lol, I think they are up to speed now and ironically live in Vermont.
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Steveo made a good comment on my blog. I posted the comment because it is so articulate about the threat(s) posed by Fukushima and all nuclear plants:
http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/steveos-comment.html
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I found the link to his blog where he first posted the comment (that he also left on my blog)
http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/p/japan-nuclear-information.html
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+100
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Thanks for the headline post!
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On Nov. 13th in Fukushima, “East Japan Women’s Long-distance relay” will be held. Teen-age school girls from all over Japan will be running around Fukushima which radiation level is over 0.6uSv/. We are sending messages to the organizer and sponsor, but it seems it’s still going on. DON’T USE GIRLS for a propaganda of “SAFE FUKUSHIMA”. Just insane.
http://www.fukushima-tv.co.jp/ekiden27/
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Insanity seems like the new normal? LOLO (means laughing our loud–ouch!)
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Hi Stock. It seems this is one of the “Cheer-up Fukushima” campaign the government has been encouraging these months. Most of innocent (or stupid) Japanese believe this and join this. After I came back to Tokyo in the supermarket near us, I found all mushroom from Fukushima were sold out. I was shocked to see government’s campaign is so well received by people…
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Hi anntokyo, from your name I assume you live in Tokyo. It would be great if you could tell us about what is going on around you – we long for first hand information!
I hope you’re safe and would be happy to see you around more often!
*peace
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From me too, more of the same, good luck.
As to your post, yes, these too-clever-by-half politicians and scientists will do anything to bolster their very weak positions, but why oh why are the victims willing to put themselves on the line to help them? Go for a run round a radionuclide-contaminated district? Running? Taking deep breaths? Breathing in air with radioactive dust kicked up by the running feet? Hoovering up hot particles into the lungs where they will lodge for life?
Have I missed something?
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No I don’t think you missed anything Misitu.
It seems really important to someone there, that they do run, and it’s not to benefit the kids!!!!
If you’re going to run, run away from there.
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Hi Misitu and WindorSolarPlease. Actually this is not the first time to gather students all over Japan to Fukushima. There was another cultural event earlier. Why in Fukushima? As Misitu wrote, it is really dangerous to run there, deep breath and kicked up dusts… On the website, the presenter still do not show which schools are attending, I guess they are scared about people like us might tell those schools not to join. But school itself has to consider by themselves, what this means to run in Fukushima now.
Taro Yamamoto, a young actor, has been trying to stop this event, but he is criticized by many people saying that he is making a discrimination to Fukushima. It’s chaos of information in Japan.
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Hi B.A.B., yes, I am originally from Tokyo, but now my husband got contract to work in U.S. from last Spring, so I came back to Tokyo to complete my work and some family business now.
I have been closely checking what has been happening in Japan through blogs, twitter and press conferences by TEPCO and government through independent internet TV. Most of major media are controlled, they write what TEPCO and government tells. Even before this, there has been a strange media system called “press club” and only major media are invited there. No freelance, no independent media are invited. So important press conferences by them in March, freelance, independent and foreign media could not join and government started to control information. If major media write something against government, they will never be invited. And TEPCO, it is a monopoly but spent millions on ads, so TEPCO has been controlling media by money.
Even national TV station has been showing lots of propaganda, recently shown was about farmers in Fukushima, complaining that people are puzzled by rumors and don’t buy their produce, and the program was sympathetic for them. I think it is TEPCO to buy produce or compensate, but through the program no single complaints on TEPCO.
Ah, there are lots of crazy things are going on here. I am so sad what is happening now in my country. Instead of closing Fukushima, it is clear that government wants to spread contamination all around Japan. Last weekend, Tokyo city also received first lot of radiation contaminated rubbles from those area. But most of people believes propaganda, and don’t think it is a problem for us. Even in Tokyo, I can share feelings with only a few friends of mine.
In the end, here’s the link for the graph by Infectious Disease Surveillance Center on minor ailments. Could be any reasons, but strangely no media mentions about influence of radiation on this.
http://technoworks.org/NewWorld/?p=812
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Hi ann, the website looks fantastic!! I hope a lot of people visit it! Please make sure to stick around and let us know how things are developing.
I think a lot about you Japanese people and I would love to be of any help…
*peace
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thanks for that link anntokyo!!
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Thanks anntokyo! Posted at Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/japan-earthquake-2011-gov_n_989682.html
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Thanks Whoopie.
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anntokyo, So happy you found this site, Welcome !
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Here is the link for website which explains the danger of this event, measured radiation values are on the map.
http://onodekita.sblo.jp/article/49997443.html
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Again Totally off topic..
Yesterday while hanging out with the inlaws we got on the subject of Fukushima. My wife’s father insists that if it is not on the news then it is not effecting our country and that the iodine they detected was from its usage in the medical industry.
Of course I did not want to get indepth and basically tell him he was out of his gord. I also wanted to ask him why is there so much focus on the Iodine after a nuclear disater and the was NONE prior to that, those hospitals must have been saving their iodine up to dispose of all at once, globally no less.
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oscar419,
iodine wasn’t the only nasty coming here, it was the only one they were releasing they tested for then !
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“…the iodine they detected was from its usage in the medical industry.”
Sounds just like my old man.
Simply more proof that the dumbing down of America is coming along just fine…
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come on red red dish the dirt…. we want details and links here…generalised statements wont wash here at enenews!!
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11/6/2011 — Oklahoma MAN MADE earthquakes — Fracking — 5.6 magnitude within occuring swarm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9fS3ouatds&feature=channel_video_title
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2 November 2011
Fracking tests near Blackpool ‘likely cause’ of tremors
“It is “highly probable” that shale gas test drilling triggered earth tremors in Lancashire, a study has found.
But the report, commissioned by energy firm Cuadrilla, also said the quakes were due to an “unusual combination of geology at the well site”.
It said conditions which caused the minor earthquakes were “unlikely to occur again”.
Protesters opposed to fracking, a gas extraction method, said the report “did not inspire confidence”.
Six protesters from campaign group Frack Off climbed a drilling rig at one of Cuadrilla’s test drilling sites in Hesketh Bank, near Southport, ahead of the report.
They oppose the controversial extraction method which pumps water and chemicals underground at high pressure to shatter rock formations and release gas, claiming it can be unsafe.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-15550458
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Makes you sick doesn’t it arc? If you haven’t, read 1492. I just finished and highly recommend it. Author weaves you back and forth from the past to the present. You’ll see we’ve been on a collision course with the Planet for centuries up to today. Outnow recommended it. It’s an eyeopener.
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EDIT: 1492 Got my year screwed up.
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*MAP* Oklahoma hit by 5.6 magnitude earthquake- the strongest in the state’s history
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/oklahoma-hit-by-5-6-magnitude-earthquake-the-strongest-in-the-states-history/
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About three identical posts with link to webpage. little spammer
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naughty little spammer…couple of useful links there lol!
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We got blasted on the 22nd. Metal mouth in tacoma tonight / today. Be on rad watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbHog5opER4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yiv3HNxRnGI
http://s1091.photobucket.com/albums/i392/tacomagroove/
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.100271596752735.290.100003096841086&type=3
http://www.realaspen.com/images/community/original/yellowcakeSM.jpg
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That is bad. Very bad. No going outdoors today. Then again, I never go anywhere.
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http://www.potrblog.com/?bb39cbe0
Unusual northern lights. 24th as well. (same day as the yellow rain arrival).
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Wow! Those ARE strange.
Potrblog team predicted that Fukushima’s Fallout would create unusual Northern Lights. We now further refine those predictions of when and where to expect these unusual Northern Lights. We also tie the current events back to similar events during ARPA’s project ARGUS and its relation to the University of California Berkeley.
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This is for TacomaGroove – never know where the comment may show up…
There may be other contributing factors to the yellow pollen, sulphur smell and metal mouth that you report.
Tacoma, Pierce County is not that clean of a place to begin with.
http://weather.thenewstribune.com/auto/tacoma/health/pollution.asp
http://themelononline.com/2009/05/breathe-the-state-of-tacomas-air/
http://www.ecy.wa.gov/urbanwaters/commencementbay.html
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You guys see this? It came through FDairy:
The significance of Xenon isotope ratios in the Fukushima catastrophe
Chris Busby PhD5
5th November 2011
http://www.scribd.com/doc/71754242/fukuxenon
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Conclusions
It is clear from Table1 that Xenon isotopes are fairly easy to measure using gammaspectrometry as they each have significant gamma lines.The activity ratio of 0.85 reported by TEPCO can only result from an enriched Uranium fission having occurred about 50 hours before the samples were measured.or an explosive criticality which occurred 60 hours before the measurements. What these results confirm is that there is on-going fission occurring at the site.The identification of prompt criticality is straightforward in samples obtained or measured within a few hours of the event.In view of the importance of establishing the nature of the initial explosions it would be of great interest to obtain from TEPCO or any one the Xenon isotope ratios measured immediately after the catastrophe
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http://fukushima-diary.com/2011/11/there-is-on-going-fission-occurring-at-the-site/
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I think i have to reconsider the seriousness of enenews…
Maybe Bianca Jagger wants to learn to ingeniors how to do their job…
i don’t even know why such things are reported on enenews, expect to built up public opinion in a certain fashion…
Really !
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Maybe Bianca will visit here. Enenews is linked in so many places these days. Who knows who visits. I’m proud of her speaking out with all those other “big names” I forget right now WHO but Caldicott is one of them.
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And i must add it is funny to see how people are literally spitting on the face of japan, with sarcasm, jokes and hatred comments, here and there… While i think they should wipe their front door, because nuclear power plants are all over the place (north hemisphere mainly), and USA, as France were i live, are far away from being exemplary in this domain…
If you really want to do something useful, stop play the smart asses on the web, and start play local action for the fight against nuclear… Will be much more efficient.
As for burning the nuclear waste, it is also useless to point fingers on japan.. What do you think your own country is doing for decades.
In France, we just discovered in August that their were incinerating illegally , in the biggest secret, nuclear wastes in the south of France (Marcoul)…
All teh countries do that, USA included of course.
if you want to let your fright turn you in hatters and jokers, it is up to you, but maybe to canalize this energy in local action will be much more efficient…
My take on this !
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I guess I missed the jokers. Good thing. My heart goes out to the Japanese people. You might appreciate this read Sun. It points directly to the Nuclear Industry and why this might be a turning point in shutting all Nukes down:
http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/nuclear/24-hours-at-fukushima
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I checked your link…
if i understand it, the main editorial line on this is:
japan made bullshit with nuclear, japan was wrong, japan might reconsider is nuclear politic…
What about the rest of the world ???
again, i try to analyze all what i read for a month now, it is amazing how things are being pointed out in just the matter of.. “it is the fault of someone else”…
I think this last month USA had enough nuclear leaking and problems to start to have a local action…
Local action is the solution.
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Well let’s put it this way.. Japan is our most recent example of Nuclear gone wrong. Therefore…it addresses Fukushima. I liked the article because it states (basically) How many more Fukushimas do we need before we STOP NUCLEAR.
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I DO follow our plants here. So do many. (a few posters at HP live right near the ones in CALIF) WE’re one natural disaster away from the very same thing happening HERE Local action IS THE ANSWER. Can we not work on getting the word out about ALL THE NUKE PROBLEMS?
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hi sun like your energy
we kept up with mercoule here and are awaiting criirads request to the courts for the release ofd data being withheld, also a blow by blow account is on the radiation watch thread from the 18th september! i posted contamination reports from uk and we had germany, denmark citizen monitors plus various maps showing a blatant cover up… if you can post any relevant french antinuclear stuff here it would be appreciated…the big picture is important as well as the local actions… the whole mechanism for activism works at different levels but heads in the same direction, hopefully!!
peace
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Hi Arclight,
i am already in relation with the CRIIRAD, i called them manytimes last week to have several infos on Japan, they start to build a network of citizen to map radioactivity in the north part of Japan.
What happened in Marcoule is just typical of the global nuclear business all over the world, nothing new sadly.
There is another thing through, here in France; the anti nuclear movement (“sortir du nuleaire”) is now being suspected to have been infiltrated by nuclear lobbyist.. just a way to canalize the anti nuclear people energy in useless direction.
One of the scientific working for them just quite for this matter.
This is Jean Pierre Petit, old guy now, CNRS researcher in Fluid Dynamic, Plasma Physics & Magnetohydrodynamics.
He is fighting against this new project, far worsts than actual nuclear power plant, called ITER.
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many thanks for the info..we love criirad here and realise that they are in a tenuous position…. but they are doing the right thing…and it has been noticed!!
keep up the good work!!
we need a citizen gieger reader from france… maybe think about it,? maybe you could send someone to the radiation thread (in development) or get a geiger yourself!
peace to you and yours!!
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CRIIRAD has already a pretty good reading network for France.
In Paris it is around 0.17µSv/h.
In Kyoto, air reading (i don’t have access to ground reading, that is very disturbing) is 0.11µSv/h (north and south of Kyoto)
made with a Radex 1503 by my sister in law.
I go live in Kyoto in january and will start radiactivity readings, but thought the CRIIRAD and affiliated Japanese citizen network.
Actually CRIIRAD is absolutely not in a teneous position as you insinuated, but growing popularity in France, Germany and Japan.
Bests
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@Sun Rising-The Kyoto reading is the same as my readings in the USA .11µSv/hr. Was that a typing error? or shoudl I also be freaked out?
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Really Au? Yikes!
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Paris is 0.17µSv/h
And it is nothing compared to the period between 2004 & 2007 were we had picks at 0.8µSv/h in Paris
At this time was not due to convenient Fukushima…
Helen Caldicott mentioned several times that since Chernobyl, she doesn’t eat fruits and vegetables from Europe…
It is funny how people filtered conveniently the infos given, that tells a lot about the real mindset…
Good luck to all of you, we gonna need it.
Cheers
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Yes. WCG is getting between .33- .46µSv/hr. consistently.
Everyday here in MI we are around .11
When it rained on Oct 26 we came in at .87µSv/hr
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So ?
What is the point of your former question then, i don’t quit get the overall logic of your comments.
Please explain to me.
People started to go out with geiger counters after Fukushima catastrophe, and start to realize that they are bombed with radiactivity create from made man particles…
Of course most of the readings and exposure are due to Fukushima cesium spread…
But one question :
If you were out 10 years ago with your geiger counter, like most of the people concerned do now.. Don’t you think you would have a heart attack by realizing that you were already in radioactive polluted environment, due to linking and spread from your own local nuclear power plants ?
Fukushima is indead very convenient for other countries nuclear industry (and public opinion), now they can say.. Hey guys, if you have radioactivity in your air and soil it is due UNIQUELY to Fukushima…. We didn’t pollute your air and soil for the last 20 years…
That is why i am speaking about “convenient” Fukushima…
The problem is global, but the solution and undertaken actions are local, at human scale.
And at the end of the day, pragmatical & knowledgeable action are more efficient than fear base behave…
I thought reader from enenews would have know that.
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It is my understanding that .1 is still within “safe” levels. Am I misunderstanding this? Is your point that if the air is in Kyoto is.11 that the ground is much higher?
I understand very well that for years we have been getting exposed to radioactivity. Unfortunately, I grew in New Mexico air, Nevada air, Utah air, Livermore air and then Chernobyl air and thyroids in our family have been effected. So far, no cancer.
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Maybe that is why Arnie says that contamination from Fuku is limited to west coast, so that people realize that other plants are involved in the process as well.
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Hi AU,
i don’t know why, i cannot reply to your last message (November 6, 2011 at 12:49 pm) so i reply to this one instead, but should follow the last post you did.
I’ve just had an email 1 hour ago from one of my friend who lives in north Kyoto.
) that i wanted ground readings.
I finally made him understand (i barely speak Japanese for now, and he just speaks Japanese…
So what he got he around 0.2~0.3 µSv/h north Kyoto for an average ground reading at different points.
BUT
You have to understand one important thing that was never mentioned anywhere i look.
This readings doesn’t have any use if you don’t know the former natural background radioactivity level of your area (due to minerals for example)
To make it simple, for a ground reading:
(Current Reading)-(Natural Background Radioactivity)=(radioactivity due to radioactive particle deposed on the ground).
You have to understand that outer radioactive exposition like natural background activity are not dangerous. because it is coming from the soil we cannot ingest it.
What is really dangerous, is radioactive particles that you can breath, ingest, and that will remain stuck in your body and start cells mutation and cancer.
So 0.1 µSv/h of highly mineral soil (for example high mountains)) that will just be an external exposure, has not the same potential risk than 0.1µSv/h of cesium deposit that you can ingest..
That is why i think all this big numbers and news are just fearmongering and not information.
Now you will ask me, if you read till here
, how do i get to know the real natural background radioactivity of my area…?
Well, since most of the soils are highly polluted for 20 years now, difficult to know…)
Hope that is making sense to you
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Greetings Sun Rising, I hope all stays well for you.
You are correct that most don’t know the backround radiation in their area. I’m sure that there would be some jaw dropping if we really knew.
But, it is important to establish a “backround” reading today, even after the initial Fuku plant accident because this is an ongoing situation. Even if the levels right now are within “acceptable” limits, it is important to see if the levels of exposure are rising. There are continuing emmisions from these plants and there will be more contamination, plus it is important to know if decontamination efforts are succesfull. Not knowing is worse than knowing.
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Yes, I agree with you. I have been trying to find out what the background readings were before Fuku and nuclear reactors were put into surrounding areas. I guess, really, we should go back, even farther, to see what the readings were before nuclear testing. For now, I can only go on my readings since I got a GC. I have to ask why, on radiationnetwork, why the top of Indiana is always so high. What is going on there? As far as I know, there aren’t any mountain ranges there but, there are several nuclear reactors. I have my suspicions that Fort Calhoun nuke plant leaked radioactivity and in MI a few weeks ago there is a nuke plant that let off a small amount of radioactive steam, that was “safe.”
The Los Alamos bush fire has really kicked up levels to an insane level.
All, I can do now is plot what I am seeing on a graph. So far, things have been steady except for a few days in Oct. when it went to 105 and 283CPM and .87µSv/hr.
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Nice map: http://www.tuurdemeester.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Chernobyl-map-Caesium-137-contaminated-areas-in-European-countries.jpeg
Also: http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf05.html#Note_f scroll about 2/3rd down and look at that graphic. Oddly worded in this very bias article, but the map appears to be from a 2006 UNSCEAR report.
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So, a kg of coffee and a kg of granite have the same level of radioactivity. Tha’s something to think about.
Thanks for the links!
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yep:) Goes well with doughnuts.
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Ground readings for Fukushima Prefecture, from the Safecast group i will be part of when i’ll arrive in Japan. (And also CRIIRAD network)
http://twitter.com/#!/SafecastProbes
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rdtn0004/
Check the Flikr pictures description for location.
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@ sun
“If you were out 10 years ago with your geiger counter, like most of the people concerned do now.. Don’t you think you would have a heart attack by realizing that you were already in radioactive polluted environment, due to linking and spread from your own local nuclear power plants ?”
damn right there!!
+100
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@Sun, I checked your links. Pure information. Make sure you pop into the thread, “Post Your Radiation Monitoring Data Here” thread so it goes out to all enenewsers and beyond.
And take care of your brave self.
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@ AU:
Thanks AU.
I wanted to add also something related to Sievert measurements.
As you know, 0.1µSv/h of background “natural” radiations (external exposure from a natural isotope) are not as toxic than 0.1µSv/h of radiated particles (Cesium, Iodine, Plutonium, Strontium, ETC…) that could lead to internal exposure (with breathing and ingestion)
But when you measure 0.1µSv/h of radioactive man made particles (mostly artificial isotopes that for the most part don’t exist at a natural state), that doesn’t tell you what isotope it is, so as long as you didn’t make a analysis in laboratory, you don’t know level of toxicity you have to deal with, with this 0.1µSv/h
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Thank you Sun for the information. These are good things to know and understand.
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Stoic people are not perfect and not always tactful, but this situation in Japan requires some dark humor because it is such a serious threat. I do not fear death, but I fear it for my soon to be 2 year old grandson. I will write whatever it takes to change the juggernaut in Japan even if I have to write words offending anyone.
As a French citizen I am sure you know Areva does not have the interests of your progeny or mine in their business plan. The Normandy “filtering” plant is probably just as bad as the “secret” incinerators in France. Yes we have hundreds of incinerators in America. I have posted more than one analysis of their wide extent.
I understand your concern about the jokes, but like the post of my captured ancestor who laughed at the Indians as they killed his son, we all deal with events beyond our control in different ways.
Good luck on your trip to Kyoto in January! Send us the grim details and I promise no jokes for you.
“People are always looking for the the single magic bullet that will totally change everything. There is no single magic bullet”. —Temple Grandin
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Great comment Sick. That makes so much sense.
And yes, good luck on your trip Sun. We look forward to your report.
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Just be thankful we’re not caught up in THIS kind of bs like at Godlike Productions These people are downright “rude” crass HATEFUL ASSHOLES.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1694161/pg2
Came on my Google Nuclear Industry Lies tab just NOW
(Oops! hope theres no GOD members here)
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i do like godlike they do have some interesting posts…when my ip isnt banned ?? never posted there but gets regular bans?? go figure!!!
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ahh i may have insulted the entire media alternate and other,,, over these past months for not reporting anything with the word nuclear in it??? might have been something to do with that?? eh?
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Yeah, interesting but some posters sure lay into others there.
Don’t you think DISCUSSION goes out the window when people attack each other like that? Sorry if I offended anyone here whose a member.
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some blogs go for the shock value in the comments section and the bloggers use it as a battlefield…suits some not all! i like enenews because we generally agree to disagree… i suspesct we are an older posting group maybe?? less tostesterone thingy ??
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I’m in my 60′s. Officer Dave is YOUNG, as we saw on his video. I dunno. Different strokes for diff folks. Personally I like it here because of just what you said. It seems calmer. I need calm as I get worked up too much on my own
Not good for the old heart.
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young david is excitable though??
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You should see my 3 year old daughter on sugar…now thats young and excitable! And she’s one of the reasons I’m here.
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And we are so glad you are OD. You give me INSPIRATION! Along with everyone else here.
TY
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with two daughters with adhd … why do you think i am here?? lol you young whipper snapper you!!
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And I did write the “smart pills” Tepco joke >;-> but I don’t cuss like Lenny Bruce or George Carlin so that is in my favor maybe.
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Hey Whoopie! Thanks for glp link. Chemfood ducks under the radar @8:56am almost directly under Japan, complete with rad spam links hehe
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Oh good job CHEM!! I’ve heard that GLP bans people WHO SPEAK THE TRUTH. They seem to POST only what THEY want to post, skirting many important CURRENT issues. In fact, one very IMPORTANT PERSON was banned for speaking the truth there. TG
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YOU:
As for Israel and Iran, always a nice MSM sheeple distraction for the real rad plague spewing across all lands.
BOY AIN’T THAT THE TRUTH CHEM!
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Middle East is just politic-oil tiddly Winks. Yep, Fuku is the worst by far. Too bad it doesn’t spew like the GoM so people can SEE it. … just dropping ene links on related glp threads (or on any site, really) might be the key to have the folks see TG’s etc et al expertise.
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I forgot I WAS going to join there and do just that. So many links, so little time. It’s all I can do, posting at HP and here. But I might join there soon. You did GOOD!
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OT
WW3 coming right up.
Vicious Triangle Forming against Iran
The Israeli tail is wagging the US-UK dog
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27498
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looks like the funding for quantitve easing 4
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This is a big concern, eh? We are at war with EVERYONE. I hate America. Reading The Death of the Liberal Class right now. It IS DEAD. Of course the Dem Party helped to get us here.
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True constitutional and fiscal conservitism is dead too. Fascist state is what we have. Youtube search George Celente.
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Morning Daaaaveeee. 2001 one of my all time FAV Movies.
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Hi Whoopie
I’m not sure, but I think I clicked report comment above. It should ask us if we are sure.. Sorry I didn’t mean it if I did click it, I was aiming for reply.
I hope WW3 isn’t coming right up… We have enough disasters going on…
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That’s ok WSP. I pray to God NOT but the news coming through is fast and furious. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27498
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My country of birth is so SSSTTTUUUPPPIIIDDD
And a bunch of LLLIIIAAARRRSSS too
Get off the shi(r)t tails of America, little britain!
Didn’t anybody tell you, wars cost lives — maybe that’s not persuasive enough, OK then, didn’t anybody tell you, WARS COST MONEY.
IDIOTS!
BLITHERING IDIOTS!
TEN THOUSAND BLISTERING BLUE BARNACLES, WHY ARE THESE WARMONGERING IDIOTS IN THE DRIVING SEAT?
M
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Did that feel good to get off your chest? I’m starting to feel another need to CAPSplode soon, myself.
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yup!
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R1 steam looks kinda dirty tonight.
2001-11-06 22:50:00 – next couple hours?
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Looks bad live right now too
http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index-j.html
http://www.youtube.com/fuku1live
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whats the yellow square to the left of number1??
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WORK LIGHT I think. Someone in there DYING.
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Someone said last Week: “window of helloween witch’s house to display the pumpkin.”
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hi b and b
sunday morning humour again?
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Hi arc,I just spent 3 hrs. preparing the garden for winter – 19 degrees and sun here. Helped me to relax! Tea / cookie routine is next.
Wonder when WCG and Tuna show up!
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“Wonder when WCG and Tuna show up! ”
probaly drank themselves under the corium!!
some posts about the sunspot activity and the mild summer and mild winter posted…no frost in southern england yet trees starting to drop leaves..
worried about the effects on next years crops
though as i am driving a motorbike alot
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BB hope you saw my post above about the book 1493. The Author GARDENS and escapes REALITY that way too.
http://www.amazon.com/1493-Uncovering-Columbus-Created-ebook/dp/B004G606EY
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Whoopie, thanks for the link! I’ll give it a go after finishing T.C. Boyle’s “Drop City” for the 3rd time. All time favourite.
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Outnow at HP recommended 1493. I just started the Death of the Liberal Class. DEPRESSING SHIT. Hopefully the END will have some SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT THE HECK TO DO about it all.
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I used to be proud of the 60′s movement right? I was part of that. Well, the Author shows how we dropped the ball so to speak.
http://www.amazon.com/Death-Liberal-Class-Chris-Hedges/dp/1568586442
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Morning BB – everyone.
A writer just posted at HP with an important comment if your interested:
ericstraatsma
Green investing, blogger, writer, educator
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/japan-earthquake-2011-gov_n_989682.html
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New Tweet:
Tepco Finds Dangerous Level of Radiation at Fukushima Station
November 06, 2011, 8:13 AM EST
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-06/tepco-finds-dangerous-level-of-radiation-at-fukushima-station.html
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No mention of what that level means for containment (suicide missions that will fail) nor explain what kind of deadly fumes are riding into the wind currents. Put a black candle in the window for Tokyo this week…the divine wind is no more.
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Godlikeproductions is not a nice place. You should leave them alone except for research purposes.
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To those that are wondering what Japan is worried about, aside from the obvious lack of disclosure about radioactive emissions, the worry is that they will not be able to in any way contain the reactors before the earthquakes start swarming again.
For Americans in and near Oklahoma
In America they have even stopped updating fracking related earthquakes data since August. You might want to tell them to do an update. Here it is known as mining sesimicity. This is for the Oklahoma folks:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqarchives/mineblast/#A2011
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Dutchsinse covered OK this morning thelili. Scary stuff happening all around us. And your right…Japans concern NOW is the EQ’s coming.
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Dutchsinse…is he back? his channel was emptied or deleted last i check a few months ago. Hope he is alright.
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Hi thelilli, good to see you. I was upset yesterday and hope you saw my answers concerning Syria. OK?
*peace
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Hi B&B I took off to Occupy can you give me the cliff notes version.I am almost awake
I need juice.
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Thelilli, at the end of my Syria post was this:
/sarc
I was being sarcastic, which you probably missed and which I probably should’ve made more clear!
Good morning anyway
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Okay let me find Durchsinse for Oklahoma. The Christians in my family have already started screeching about the last days.
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Oh okay B&B then forgive my flipout
I go off the rails so often lately that I need to be on valium.
Do you know that my older relatives STILL think a last minute solution is forthcoming?
*bangs head*
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Ha, mine are saying
Well what can we do… pass the remote control, please
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B&B at this point that is a good way to go except I have little people that I worry about. The adults not so much but when I think about the ones that might not ever see 21 I start getting agitated.
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What can we do? Does anyone else remember 1789. We little people have grown quite soft (me included!). Guillotine time, at least figuratively but with as much urgency and torque required, or far more.
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Lol @Pallas I get into guillontine them all mode at least once a day.
The media coverage is picking up but it needs to move faster. I’m going to disappear for a bit and see how this can be sped up.
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