Bloomberg: Fukushima isotopes are nearing West Coast — Official: U.S. ocean water to have 100 Bq/m3 of cesium-137?

Published: December 6th, 2013 at 4:45 pm ET


Bloomberg, Dec. 6, 2013: Fukushima Radiation to Reach U.S. Coast at Safe Levels, NRC Says […] as the first isotopes linked to the plant near the West Coast. “The highest amount of radiation that will reach the U.S. is two orders of magnitude — 100 times — less than the drinking water standard*,” [NRC chair] Allison Macfarlane said in Tokyo today. […] The impending arrival of water […] has prompted concerns about health impacts. […] [It] will reach mainland U.S. shores by early 2014, according to Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution senior scientist Ken Buesseler. Macfarlane also endorsed [Japan] releasing irradiated water stored at the Fukushima plant […]

*NRC, Sept. 2013: 10 Bq/L [of cesium-137] is the World Health Organization drinking water standard. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) limit is 7.41 Bq/L. (Limits converted from Bq/L to Bq/m³: WHO = 10,000 Bq/m³ and EPA = 7,410 Bq/m³)

Macfarlane’s estimate of “100 times less than the drinking water standard” works out to a Cs-137 level in West Coast seawater of between 74 Bq/m³ and 100 Bq/m³.

In the recent study V. Rossi et al. (2013) the highest Cs-137 level predicted for West Coast seawater was 30 Bq/m³.

Though officials claim the cesium-137 in the ocean water is ‘safe’ for humans to drink, fish bio-concentrate cs-137 at a rate of 100 times the level found in the surrounding water. For seals and sea lions it’s up to 1,000 times. (Source: IAEA)

Macfarlane also did not mention the contaminated sea water will be impacting the California coast until the mid-2020s, according to V. Rossi et al. (2013). Note that the study’s findings may be a considerable underestimation, as it is based on releases from Fukushima Daiichi ending in April 2011 — yet the plant has been releasing a reported 400 tons of radioactive water every day since the disaster in March 2011.

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Published: December 6th, 2013 at 4:45 pm ET


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100 comments to Bloomberg: Fukushima isotopes are nearing West Coast — Official: U.S. ocean water to have 100 Bq/m3 of cesium-137?

  • Cisco Cisco

    "Macfarlane also endorsed [Japan] releasing irradiated water stored at the Fukushima plant […]"

    Hey, you think it was bad before, here comes a radioactive Tsunami!

    • Cisco Cisco

      Oh, and how convenient the EPA raised the safe water drinking limits. Just in time for a "not to worry" public numbers check.

      "It's this now, disregard the limits before" because they moved the goal posts. Is this a great country or what…exceptional-ism, you bet!

      • Cisco Cisco

        Hey, if they don't release the tank water, sooner or later the whole field is going to go, in one big wave. There's enough tonnage, up the hill, to sweep many of the structures and people into the harbor. What else can they do? They and we are fuc#ked, but we knew that a long time ago.

        This is it, the biggest show on earth that 98% of the world's populous knows virtually nothing about. Kim Kardashian gets more attention than this.

        And, with Japan's new secrecy law, you can expect no real data will be published, only sugarcoated bullsh#t stories from the likes of Bloomberg and all the other media whores.

        • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

          They need to spend the money & build an actual treatment plant. In the meantime the, "pump it to a old but sound tanker" is starting to sound pretty good…

        • bo bo

          Hi cisco, and anybodyelse who is interested in checking…
          A while ago… about a year ago I think, people were celebrating here how if you type in fukushima in google, the first articles that popped up were all enenews. I tried it just now, and enenews doesn't show up at all on first page, second page, third page, fourth page… I narrowed the search a bit to 'fukushima radiation' and 'fukushima news' etc etc and still could not find ANY link. I got tired and gave up. I heard google is customized to each person… so wondered what other people's experience was. The prime google real estate is now being firmly held by npr, bbc, slate, huffpost, ny times, asahi…

          Just like how for a while after 9/11 if you googled WTC 7, the 9/11 truth page used to pull up, and now the first thing that shows up is always 'debunking WTC7 controlled demolition theory' page.

    • invisible ELEphant in the room

      Fukushima Superstorms (Typhoons, Hurricanes, Cyclones, Tornados)

  • lyvette

    LOL…we are supposed to listen to the NCR? Not a chance in Hell!! What a bunch of liers, the radiation is already here! ANd there is NO save levels you jerks!
    Our ecosystem is already dying…look at the melting starfish, dead seals, whales and countless other animals. We are next!!
    I live in Seattle and want to move so badly…where do you go to live a safer life? Brazil, New Zeland?? I want out!!

  • lyvette

    That was supposed to be the NRC!

  • Proton

    When the next more concentrated sea plume gets here just raise the standards a few orders of magnitude?

    • bo bo

      Yes – to review : 100 times less radiation than the amount of radiation permitted in drinking water – which, by the way, was raised 27000 times after fukushima.

      So that means : they are expecting radiation levels in water to reach 270 times the pre-fuku safety limit of radiation permitted in drinking water.

      • Proton

        Yeah they'll raise standards right into the sun if needed.

        Harm the innocent, protect the guilty. Bizarre

      • ftlt

        Bo: It's funny and sad, they rely on malleable for profit nuclear scientists and nuclear ideologues to set these safety limits – while ignoring, those who might have different data and ideas on the issue..


  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    U.S. developed this horrid technology, and is now being radiated on.

    Must fix the leaking plant.

    Fix it.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    What's it all about cesiiisuusm 137?

    These are "manmade poisons" and they are not organic and/or natural to the Earth's environment! 🙁

    Certainly we have humans have allowed these wacky scientists to open Pandoras box!

    • We Not They Finally

      That's a key point always. There is actually NO safe limit for man-made poisons — the "limit" is just when the harm becomes apparent enough to not ignore or discount for monetary reasons. But that's shifting the wrong way too. Now there are more and more "allowable" deaths before it is no longer "safe."

      What a world!

      • weeman

        It is simple, radiation is linear the higher the amount is directly related to mutations. Full stop.

        • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

          Ah, but by the time those mutations become un-arguable, it'll be too late. At that point they can simply state that the politicians back in 2013 made a mistake. They are counting on the time lag between exposure and visible problems to continue making profit. And at the point that's no longer possible, they'll simply move on…

          • weeman

            Yes and this is we're it gets confusing and since there is no definitive paper outlinning the thresholds of radiation and it's effects in combinations of alpha, Bata and gamma, who knows.
            It is the man made ones that pose the biggest danger, if something does not exsist in nature, how can you have any immunity from it?,

  • bo bo

    Btw how do they even come up with these random projections when no official monitoring is being done /allowed

  • We Not They Finally

    More funny-math. More goobledegook about "standards."

    Just know that since they never talk about this at all unless they are FORCED to, that danger is on the way.

  • pcjensen

    Macfarlane: nuc regulators must be independent … | Regulator that is independent well-funded & backed by gov essential"

    She's not capable or reliable or honest enough to be independent.

  • bozzy54

    Not to downplay est. Models from experts in there fields regarding radiation buildup in "our" oceans. But, I researched there findings by date, area and methods and it seems to me that proper procedure was not followed. But I'm glad to say they admit that it's there and coming our way. Since the testing from the early 1940's some 2033 test where conducted over 40 years we know about. All of Japans 50 reactors including Fukushima will add to this (background radiation) we all eat, breath and absorb. I hope these new background level don't put us and the ocean life over the top. Fission creates new life at anatomical levels and has raised these level over 1000's days and beyond. Accumulative is the word we all should be worried about, because that's what going to kill your children. Will anyways, Japan new state secert law is a restart of a renewed era in the world. Why? America stands for this behavioral action Abe and his NWO buddies are imposing on the world after years of War, Mass deaths and our "history" and what we American stand for and the very reasons we went to war lays shame upon each and every VETERAN in all of history of United States of America! Shame on US and may GOD forgive US. By the way where the hell is god anyways????………..

    • We Not They Finally

      God is the Light energy and the human dignity that resides in all of us, whatever one's religion. We just don't know if that's enough to withstand the coatings of radioactive goo. But that doesn't make any of our lives WORTH less. We can still be good when "they" are bad.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      .. 🙂 He has left the room to never ever return again and we humans are all on our own…I am afraid. 🙁

  • Grampybone Grampybone

    "100 times less than the drinking water standard” works out to a Cs-137 level in West Coast seawater of between 74 Bq/m³ and 100 Bq/m³." This statement was made in Japan where the projection standards model can allow 100-1000x "normal levels" to be scaled up for press release. 74 Bq/m³ – 100 Bq/m³ Does this account for elevated acceptable radiation levels post EPA increase of Lethal Dose limits? If the data was graduated to a favorable curve of new standards it really is 100-1000x more concentrated than stated above. The data goes black after April 2011. The Data from March to April 2011 has been heavily redacted and adjusted to meet standards above 100-1000x acceptable levels. They raised the bar to quickly limbo out of a squeeze. Hermes from Futurama is running TEPCO.

    • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

      That is where those junctions become busy (hot) even in the simplex form of the Uranium hexavalent oxidation state where it can fluoresce (shine in this context) such as UF6 and DUF6.
      Add corbon/lic acid or nitric acid and it dissolves and redissolves until the oxygen in the water becomes unusable for fish created for swimming in fresh water or salt water.

  • lickerface lickerface

    1 Becquerel (Bq) = 1 count per second = 1 event per second.

    100 Bq = 100 CPS

    …to put that in perspective, those with a Geiger would see 6,000 CPM!!! If they're admitting this, imagine what the real values are.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Grampybone, great analysis but I think the key worlds here are "manmade Cesium-137 Poison"!

    Let's put this another way.."Manmade Cesium-137 Poison"..should never have been in any of the water found anywhere on this planet called Earth in the first place, since it is not natural to the Earth's biosphere or ecosystems! This poison does not belong on this planet!

    There is no safe level for any manmade (not of this Earth) radioactive poison in any form! 🙁

    We certainly have been and are all now screwed and bent over without any smiles.

    • weeman

      Please add plastic to your manmade poisions.

    • Grampybone Grampybone

      The problem 2.9 years into the disaster that comes to mind about the ocean in my mind is the words of my Environmental Science professor. "The Yttrium highway becomes a catalyst to carry charges of Cesium and other particle clusters quickly across the ocean." The discussion than fell to what isotope combination at natural temperatures could be responsible. The isotope combination looked as such. Y(NO3)3.6H2O Yttrium trinitrate hexahydrate. In science it is now known that hexa complexes invite ionic electron transference. Inert gasses once thought to be immune to sharing electron's in weird quantum states are now observable in the ocean. Manmade indeed.

  • ruppert

    There are greater amounts of these toxins as spent fuel then was used in the bomb tests over the years. It really is apples vs oranges. I don't have any specific link but I'm sure if you google it you will turn many articles.

  • Replacant Replacant

    Why estimates and not measurements? How about rain and should we stay inside? There was a missing truck in Mexico of Cobalt that caused a panic about dirty bombs; yet hasnt Japan just sent the US the worst kind of dirty bomb; a radioactive Pacific?

    • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

      If you hear knocking…do NOT answer the door. Just hide in the attic and pretend you are not home.

  • Cisco Cisco

    There is some good news in this. It looks like McFarland & Company spent some time in Fukushima and Tokyo, ate the food, breathed the air and drank the water. Based on real radiation levels, these folks should have gotten a few hot particles that they believe are safe, but will kill them and their offspring, prematurely.

    Good for them!

  • name999 name999

    I live in the pacific nw. When the tsunami happened I looked long and hard at a world map on my wall. Because many of us have known for many decades of these threats to human life I knew at that time that the pacific coast was in the path of all this. I do believe that this stuff hit pretty quickly, with miles and miles of oyster shells in scalloped patterns along the coastline soon after. Rains that left me showering immediately when home, feeling exhausted and weaker than I could remember. The cesium 137 gets into people's muscles and triggers heart attacks…just one of many aspects of the contamination we are currently living in. Having lived here for 25 years I can tell you that the change is quite obvious to me and I feel it in my body but have been traveling for several months this last year. It is surreal being back on the west coast knowing this. Something I me does not want to believe it still…
    Highlighting the turn to brazen fascist practices in Japan looks like the issue to press here in US as people don't seem to know about that much at all.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      name999, Great comment and yes one can feel the radiation drain the energy, life right out of them.. 🙁

  • Socrates

    The West Coast is getting hit already. My workout partner complains of weakness and lack of stamina. She had to be hospitalized in the summer of 2011 with near syncope, I suspect cesium 134 and cesium 137 in yhe cardiac nodes. Her potassium wss bit depleted whivh allowef the uptake of the isotopes. We have friends who are heart surgeons and cardiologists.

    • Socrates

      Sorry for the typos…

      Every test was run in the hospital and during the past two years. Being in the medical business gives insight into the interpretation of the tests. The low potassium was unique in her blood tests over a or exceeding decade. She was stressed and tired and ripe for cesium uptake.

      Keep your minerals up to protect against cesium uptake. Slow is available by prescription. There are foods and supplements. Get ready because we are going to be hit with ten times higher that who we are seeing now according to many computer models.

      I want to go south of the equator by then. There may be a mass exodus.

      The pro-nukes want even more nuke plants. Too bad that solar energy was not the big money – maker that gas and oil and nuclear are.

  • cooterboy

    The writing is on the wall folks. It's just a little hard to read.
    Back to what I wrote before which is accumulative. The next wave of irradiated water will be 10 times, 1,000 times worst? Worst to who, what? So many questions about the beginning of this horror story.

    We as humans should have not radiation level imposed on them. We lost any right to our environment when GE said Hey I got this great idea. We build it and they will come. And they did.

    Too big to fail is what GE now is. Can't hold them accountable for nothing. I might send GE some fine Pacific Ocean water that they can add to their fish tank.

  • Just a reminder, in case you haven't checked it out:

    Keep a cool head. But, yes serious shite is starting to happen.

    Thanks ENE for your great work.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Mr. Baxter nice writing but maybe your writing should include clear concise instructions that it is time to shut down all Nuclear Power Plants operating here on planet Earth!

      How to and who to contact would be advisable on your web link. 🙂

      WE know what already happened and we need to make sure that it never ever happens anywhere on this Planet we call Earth ever again… 🙁

      Yes, it is time for action, panic and real anger and it is time for all humans to get mad! 🙂

      Get Mad!

      • flatsville

        obewan-Maybe it is time you called International Atty. Frances Boyle to shut all these NPPs down instead of telling other people what to write.

  • midwestern midwestern

    Radioactive ocean dumps:

    This includes what IAEA admitted to up to 1984. I didn't realize there had been dumps in the Gulf. I am wondering also what effect the radioactive contamination has on the plastic island wasteland in the Pacific…

  • midwestern midwestern

    Search for Containers of Radioactive Waste on the Sea Floor:
    "Between 1946 and 1970, approximately 47,800 large containers of low-level radioactive waste were dumped in the Pacific Ocean west of San Francisco."

    • KiloCharley KiloCharley

      @Midwestern, Great links, and Thank you! Crimes against humanity and all life form. Right there in front of your eyes!
      Wow, how did we allow this to happen?

  • Shaker1

    I'm with you, name999. The exhaustion that is 'unexplainable' was here rather quickly to those of us in the Pacific NW who must deal with the rain. I worked outside during that time and for some time after, until my energy patterns were a shadow of what they were previously.

    It was like watching the cyclopic light of a train coming at you while sitting between the tracks while having no sense of its speed, only that you knew there was a whole line of people before you along the way, and a whole line behind, all frozen between the rails in the light.

    Dithering with numbers could become the future (if there is one) description of this particular age. Be it the economic BS that is continually fed to us, exemplified by consistently rising levels of contaminates announced by compromised government entities such as the EPA with radiation levels, or the FDA with recent raising of limits on chemicals in foods. That strategy will always work with the frightened. It's all to cover up the crimes 'lawfully', limitations on liability that rightfully should be a matter of conscience and not 'law', but based upon 'scientific' statistics and numbers that are in themselves compromised and in that respect as unscientific as the definition will allow without being outright fraud. Those compromised will look down at their shoes for a moment when it's all over, mumble something like 'I'm sorry. We were simply wrong.' pay a small portion of the profits, and snigger in their…

  • razzz razzz

    To say it all a shame would be an understatement.

    Wonder if they are only counting decay rates of Cesium and nothing else? Ex. all the plutonium, strontium and uranium sank to the bottom of the ocean on its way here. Cesium(s) can replace natural salts, what a nightmare. Cs-137 has the longer half-life of about 30 years.

    (All the same things) CPS = counts per second = decays per second = disintegrations per second (of anything passing by a Geiger counter sensor).

    Then for small liquid amounts, whatever counts per second in a volume of a liter (sized bottle).

    Then for large liquid volumes, counts per second measured in a cube (box), one meter by one meter by one meter in size or containing equal to a 1,000 liters.

    Or until they call out another volume measurement or change the counts (decays) to per minute or per hour because they are running out of zeroes to use with extremely high doses of radiation i.e. taken from a melted reactor core. Besides different standards like sieverts, becquerel, rads, etc., most base 10 which makes conversions a bit easier.

    Taking supplements won't hurt. Potassium with iodine pills (in moderation/small steady dose) might help prevent some deficiencies, the iodine will ensure the thyroid functions properly. Once land is farmed, the soil is depleted so even organically grown foods are usually lacking peak mineral and vitamin content. That leaves supplements to makeup the differences or radioactive analogues.

  • retali8 retali8

    Panic buying of salt in belief that iodine will help prevent radiation contamination

    Worried Chinese shoppers stripped stores of salt in cities across China on Thursday in the false belief it can guard against radiation exposure even though any fallout from a crippled Japanese nuclear power plant is very unlikely to reach China.

    These chinese are pretty smart, probably there rad alarms went off, but its good to have some awareness globally on this issue AS IT AFFECTS US ALL, INCLUDING YOU WHO IS READING THIS,, the troll all over the internet protecting nuclear & there precious incomes make me so sick,, i want to smash there faces.. what a joke,, just take a look at this article source, look at the trolls all over it… heh, guys stay focused and determined,, fukushima will be known by all globally, this secrecy law Japan has passed really does show there is big secrets and desperation within japan they need to keep hush hush,, *cough* fuk-u-shima

  • kintaman kintaman

    I have been saying this since the first month after 3.11 but I hope the world will not hate Japanese people and harm us in the future because of our tyrannical leaders who made horrific decisions which will impact us all. I hope they will see that the Japanese people are equally victims as the rest of the world are.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Isotopes..plural..then they talk about cesium or strontium..
    What about the other isotopes?

  • tsfw tsfw

    Bo, I've noticed the same thing about the google search results. And lately when I type in Arnie Gundersen I get a load of results like " Arnold Gundersen caught lying about risk of radiation" ETC. It doesn't take a nuclear physicist to know this is a global cover up, and not solely a Japanese cover up. I believe they aren't doing anything because there is nothing they can do. Wasn't Tepco divulging some info in the beginning? Until Obama paid a visit and then all went silent? Am I remembering that correctly? It's all damage control that will take many years, or until the next large earthquake or typhoon decides our fate. This is my first post on here, and I'd like to say thank you not only for your diligence in keeping this site active and informative, but you have also made me feel less alone in all this. Anne, Grampybone, Heart of the Rose…all of you. My husband and I find your explanations and clarifications very helpful. Everyone I talk to about this thinks I'm right out to lunch, and I nearly alienated my own son. It just boggles my mind how I have been received;I think I'd have a better reception having killed their pet. Oh and if I have to explain how eating bananas differ from man made radiation exposure, I think I might throw myself into unit 4.

  • name999 name999

    I am grateful to have this site to acknowledge what is happening to our beautiful gorgeous awesome world. The genocide of the land and wildlife is too brutal and heartbreaking for words. Thank you all for being there ..and letting me write about this .namaste

  • Socrates

    If fish biomagnify Cesium 137 100 X as per the IAEA, then fish are already at the top limit of the new standards discussed by McFarland of the NRC, discussing EPA drinking water standards.

    The fish live in the water. Therefore, it is admittedly unsafe to drink fish! Nor should you drink sea lions because they are three orders of magnitude above the water.

    Is that what Admin is saying essentially?

    • Socrates

      I assume that biomagnify cation of Cesium 137 in West Coast fish would require arrival of the ocean plume here and enough time for the fish to biomagnify the Cesium 137. As concentrations increase ten – fold of Cesium 137 during the next decade as multiple computer models suggest, West Coast sushi would be ten times higher in Cesium 137 than the revised EPA limits for drinking water. Sushi would be hazardous material.

      Math was not my best subject. Am I missing something here? If not, by the inevitable movement of Cesium 137 towards the West Coast during the next decade, and the fact that the half – life is 30 years, and that strontium 90 will start up after 1000 days, fish will be totally unsafe to eat for hundreds of years at least!

      This is how safe nuclear power is. Looks like they killed the Gulf and the Pacific Ocean during the time that hope and change replaced Bush/Cheney. Drill, Baby, Drill! And frack us, too!

  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    Pu blown into the jet stream & falling in rain,snow & dust will be here how long? Unit 3 was MOX meaning we need a new chart of what came out of 3 alone. MOX pellets may be in the ocean plume, who knows? We know thing for certain they are doing their best to shut all info down.
    Enenews has some very special folks making comments while google is making harder to spread the word. Thank you all, we are a caring bunch.

  • tsfw tsfw

    Thanks Anne I stand corrected, I don't why I thought he had. Thanks Mack, I wish I could say I am happy to be here, but I'm grateful to be. I can't contribute anything to this very knowledgeable group so I will go back to reading and learning and failing at spreading the word. Thanks again for everything.

    • razzz razzz

      tsfw: People understand money, and nuclear generating power is a money losing and socialist machine. Might try that approach. Esp. compared to solar when sitting on one's rooftop where electric companies can't make any money off of it. And at least natural gas with turbine generators (gas or steam) have an off switch and pollute very little or not at all compared to nuclear power plants and their radioactive wastes with no where to hide it for at least a couple centuries besides the daily radioactive pollution they produce harming the down-winders first.

      Then there is the Periodic Table that shows no elements above 92, until after man starting splitting the atom then above 92, they are all recreated by man (man-made/synthetic/artificial) and all are radioactive.

      People that are passive or brainwashed into being passive are very difficult to wake up out of their slumber…just the way the nuclear industry likes it.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      tsfw, great to have you here, and yes, you can and will become a very powerful Jedi Master and through your continued reading you will certainly master these skills you require to carry your and our message forward! 🙂 May the Force be with you always!

  • ManWithThePlan ManWithThePlan

    The words 'American standard' frankly scares the crap out of me. Isn't it a known fact that european and American standards differ in questions of food, water quality, chemical components found in household items. I'm pretty sure that what is deemed acceptable in the U.S. is deemed pretty unacceptable in other countries around the world (not just the eurozone).

  • Shaker1

    I'm frankly amazed that people don't pay attention to what's going on around them while feeling so 'informed'. Is the illusion presented by the internet really that gross? The Europeans aren't perfect, but in the case of GE foods and the real problem of the agricultural practices that are attendant to raising those crops, the Europeans have been lowering standards, and not raising them, and without US pressure might raise little if at all. Meanwhile, here in Washington State, a referendum was recently defeated (narrowly) over simply labeling the stuff. The opposition was was obscure and unreasonable to say the least. I really begin to wonder what is used for general reasoning, and am infuriated that people have the sense of a 4-year old concerning the nature of what they eat and modern processing, the use of plain language, and lack of serious questions. When an ad is presented to them where a woman states 'I'm a farmer and a scientist, and I oppose this law' don't they understand that it's without qualification, and she could be an nuclear physicist who raises grass for lawn seed? It's no wonder the public will buy open-ended engineering 'solutions' such as nuclear that would insult a true engineer who looked at the process in the whole. With today's educations and the modern ego, I swear sometimes that some are educating themselves to death.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    You are very wise! 🙂

  • tsfw tsfw

    Thanks you all very much for being so welcoming. Razz you are right, I might find that the monetary approach speaks more sense to people. UGH what does that say about us though. At times, I think we're getting what we deserve. And then I think about my children and their future children and all the decent people left who didn't choose this. Sparky, you summed it up in a nut shell – just add a few curse words in there, and the script is identical. Did I get an earful yesterday, I'm just an unqualified quack really. All the frustration aside, it's been interesting on a psychological level. So far I have noticed there are those who immediately reject the idea, the won't hear it. Those who listen and realize but who quickly retreat back into their perceived protective ignorance, and those who will immediately search for links that prove you wrong, without hearing you out. I'd say maybe 2/100 people I have reached out to have actually joined reality. Can lead a horse to water and all that. I do wonder, if with my children, I shouldn't have kept my mouth shut, because now I worry that if the pool collapses, or there is a chain reaction, they will merely roll their eyes at me when I tell them to flee. They are avid surfers and snowboarders, one an avid fish eater, in BC. And they think I'm the crazy one! I will get a good sleep again one day right?

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    I have not slept well for 2.8 years.. 🙁 Sorry!

  • nuclear_genie nuclear_genie


    You say people think you're looney when you talk to them about Fukushima. Why is that? What do they say when you present your information to them?

    My brother is obsessed with the situation at Fukushima. We live near San Francisco, and he is absolutely certain that we are about to be fried by the radioactive water in "the plume". He is an accountant who has no understanding of scientific or engineering matters and was completely unaware of anything nuclear until the disaster at Fukushima. Now he is an expert in nuclear reactors, nuclear fuel cycle, oceanography, chemistry, structural engineering, geomorphology and just about everything else. He bombards everyone about "trillions of Baquerels"; "400 tons of water"; "tilted fuel storage racks" "spent fuel" ad infinitum. All data which does not originate from the Fukushima cult is dismissed as the result of a hopelessly corrupted scientific establishment catering to the nuclear industry. But he has no real data. Occasionally, he will quote some study to support his case, but when the data is closely examined it actually contradicts it.

    It is like being around a religious fundamentalist who constantly predicts the the end of the world. He and his associates are like Moonies. At Thanksgiving, he wouldn't let anyone discuss anything BUT Fukushima. It was like, "The weather has been nice lately". "Oh, but it won't be so nice when "the plume" arrives. Did I tell you about the 400 tons of…

  • name999 name999

    I have been reading Enenews for years and it has been a lifesaver to have a sense of community through all this. But I can say that it is much more satisfying and comforting to make a connection by posting here and joining this important conversation with so many knowledgeable people. Nuclear genie, Tsfw, sparky…wow, this is so important to come to terms with…how to stay awake and aware without alienating others who are dissociated/in denial about the reality of this. I test the waters and respect other peoples boundaries with what they can deal with. I don,t feel like being so sensitive with the perpetrators of this tragedy however.

    Thanks so much to all who have welcomed me here, very grateful…

  • Daisy207

    "Macfarlane’s estimate of “100 times less than the drinking water standard” works out to a Cs-137 level in West Coast seawater of between 74 Bq/m³ and 100 Bq/m³."

    These people fiddle with units – how many mg/L is the cesium concentration then calculate the Bq. Also how many Bq/Cubic meter will be added by the few thousand other isotopes present? Metals in water are measured 1st in mg/l – so you can segregate out other metals – its done by FID or ICAP testing. I test water all the time for metals and we always get concentrations first.

  • Daisy207

    1 gm of CS 137 gives off approximately 3 X 10 ^12 Bq of radiation. I'll need to back calculate the concentration to find out how much will give off 100 Bq/m^3. Just running the numbers off the top of my head something sounds fishy. 1 mg/L (a pretty low concentration) would bring it down by 10^6 – would still make Bq readings in the 10^6 range/L – not 10^2 range. Just rattling on here – its late and I'l play with the numbers tomorrow.