Published: November 27th, 2012 at 4:49 pm ET
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Title: Sinkhole Event
Source: Assumption Parish Police Jury
Date: Nov. 27, 2012 at 3:55p ET
An event occurred at the sinkhole around 11:30 pm today which is being considered as a “burp”.
Vegetative debris and hydrocarbons came up from below the sinkhole.
A few trees in the southwest corner did fall in however most of the debris came from below the sinkhole.
Texas Brine removed all crews from the sinkhole and is checking the boom surrounding the area to make sure everything is in tact [sic].
Official update here
Published: November 27th, 2012 at 4:49 pm ET
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At 2 PM monitors showed seismic activity at the U of Memphis seismic center here:
Look at LA09, LA03 and LA08 both showing significant uptick in tremors or earthquakes:
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/
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Good catch
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Geez, maybe enenewsers should take over..
Cataclysmic
November 27, 2012 at 2:05 pm · Reply
Helicorders catching big movement.. Also, notice 4, 5 and 7 are no longer listed.. as I recall 4 had the most movement and is closest to the sinkhole.. I want to say that info was in one of the Advocate articles. (I might not be right about that)
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA08_BHZ_GS_00.2012112700.gif
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA09_BHZ_GS_00.2012112700.gif
also, be sure to keep track of this link, it keeps moving and it sure occurs that someone(?) does not want us to focus here. So, far, I have been able to locate it, but for how long?
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/
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Everyone, please sign the petition to have the evacuation area expanded:
http://www.change.org/petitions/louisiana-governor-bobby-jindal-expand-the-area-included-in-the-bayou-corne-grand-bayou-evacuation
This thread had over 9000 views so far, and the petition only has 496 signatures. Lets get that number higher!
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Mem – petition signed – thanks for posting the link.
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Anyone monitoring the "GAS" that might be associated with a "burp". of this magnitude. Assume the companys involved are checking for any and all gas which can poison the air..as this is showing near Hwy 70—anyone thinking about the people living there? HELLO TEXAS BRINE..you out there? Somewhere? Maybe? Hellooooo…..
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Why..why..that's OIL.
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No ma'am, my superiors assure us it's just naturally-occurring ultra-viscous hydrocarbons. Happens all the time (starting now). Nothing unexpected (except by them). There is no immediate danger to… my boots! What happened to my boots?… Stand by, ma'am, while I radio for instructions – they never told me it would get on my boots…. Bubba? This here's Bubba 2. we've got a serious event out at the sinkhole. Someone from Enenews is sniffin' around.
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@aigeezer…totally funny.
It's a bit more than just..the plans made on the fishing boat the night before.
The oil industry likes to portray itself.. as having a 'Wild West'
mentality.
They forgot that..that 'law and order' came to the West..and folks like them…dangled.
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I keep hearing the Beverly Hillbillies theme song.. and up from the ground came a bubblin crude..
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LOL aigeezer.
Thanks.
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I look at the video and all I see is evidence that will be quickly hauled away. That is, if they can get some poor fool in a yellow Kevlar suit out over the 'burping' sinkhole to collect it.
Those non-disclosures the cleanup workers were undoubtedly forced to sign have to be vulnerable. Are they licensed to handle that level of radioactive waste? C'mon Mr. Smith – more holes than Swiss cheese out there. Discovery is a wonderful thing.
You know the knuckle-heads missed something. Who's the auditor paying Shaw this time around?
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A person would think..that 'burping' of hydrocarbon from a saltdome collapsing..would be enough to initiate immediate and further evacuation.
If there is radioactive materials..(probably)..what is the plan?
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NONE! They do not want this declared as a National Disaster area, because then world attention would be focused and the Feds would actually have to do something because of it. Right now, DOW, CROSSTEX, KOCH BROS. etc., etc… are keeping this local.
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Not even a gnat alive in that photo – usually wildlife would flock to a new watering hole, if everything was ok..
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Look closely..the "gnats" are floating in the muck. Probably not alive..(sarcasm)
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Wondering if this BURP is from pressure, trying to clear the blockage. If so, then heaps more of this is on its way. Maybe now that the cavern is filling up, the downward trend of things falling in is finished, and now, stuff will only be coming OUT.
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Long time reader/follower. My addiction to Enews is borderline obsessive, but clearly warranted.
Now, considering I am on here 20+ times a day, I have honestly yet to see (from here and assumption parish wordpress as well as other news sites reporting this) … yet to see anything said about what is expected to happen during & after each 'phase'/ 'process'. Like, what is expected in short & long term range?? What outcome are they attempting to achieve? Are they going to continue venting till the end of time? What about the gas bubbling? Are they expected to stop & if so, when. If not, why?? What is their maximum growth expected to be? I understand-this is a 'first ever' in their 'line of work'. FINE! But there are many questions and all of them have answers. They just need to asked in the correct way, at the correct time, to the correct people. Again….->what is the expected outcome/final result Tex. Brine is expecting/speculating??
please excuse me if this is a redundant question….
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hi GlowingRainSeattle.
i'm not sure anyone could answer any of those questions. as you say yourself, this is a 'first ever' event.
there are other historical salt dome falis, documented elsewhere on enenews. but they were in another era, another country and much older technology.
my view is that no-one can ever tell what's going on here. Yes, it maybe an industrial 'accident', in which case some blame can be laid on the participants and some expectation of a solution could be expected from them.
but i'm holdiing a degree of suspicion that this is a consequence of global climate change – the water table is rising and existing 'weak' points on the earth's surface will be the amongst the first to 'go'.
if it's the latter, then all bets are off. there will be no solution. things will get worse on a scale unheralded before. I'd suggest it may take 5 to 10 years before we really know what's going on here. If the whole state of LA starts to go under, we'll know for sure where we are headed.
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THEY DO NOT KNOW
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I'm aware they that aspect as well. That they don't know. At least that's the story they are choosing to go with. However, That wasn't the only thing I was asking either. I'm talking about what their game plan is for each thing. Like, Flaring…how long and what the possible goal they are attempting to achieve. And if that fails, what's plan B? And same applies for the bubbling. If more sprout..obviously they already expect that to happen. So they know basically what they are expecting. With that said, why doesn't the public and why hasn't the public more specific on those important questions? Because then they would have a so called possible timeline of expected or speculated events. And what each even actually means. And what their next step will be if that does occur.
You see where I am going with that. I guess the questions need to be more direct and keep pushing until there IS a genuine answer. Don't allow them to move onto another question/subject until answering a direct question with a direct answer. Tex. Brine is treating these people as though they are dumb and hoping certain questions won't be asked. I personally think, everything period weather they like it or not, is to be video recorded or voice recorded. Just say'n….
–looking out for the best interest of all the families involved is all.
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Hello and maybe i can answer a couple of your questions you posted to the group. First My Name is Markww I am a retired fire specialists and worked at NASA. I have been in firefighting and retired as a captain and worked safety and chemicals since refineries are lined up along the Houston ship Channel. I studied chemicals and safety and fire protection of many chemicals and life safety measures.
First this event has never happened before that world scientists have not seen.There is nothing to go by no foot prints or recorded disasters like this.
This is not just about a sinkhole but the devastation of the whole Planet and Gulf of Mexico. It started when the Seafloor was busted open and a quick fix was put into place and cover ups started as to the disaster. people have been MURDERED exposing the disaster, which today is so serious hundreds of miles of areas could be wiped away from a massive explosions of melting Methane Hydrate.
The sea floor is rising up this is oil and methane melting and causing the floor to rise over 30 feet in many places. The drilling and disaster has started a chain reaction, from oil to gas to disturbances earthquakes explosions and problems along the new madrid fault line which gas is traveling up and oil and junk from the underworld.
Markww
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Looks more like a belch to me.
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The Assumption Pioneer..Napoleonville newspaper.
"..and where dwell a happy people"
http://www.napoleonvillenews.com/
Not a word.
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Unlike Lake Piegneur, this was not a breach of the actual cavern over a lake. Actually, quite the opposite. This area was bubbling normally with the natural methane creep, every once in a while, but just after the BP Macondo disaster began a continous flow of methane to fill the lower subsidence areas traveling through the Miocene shale.
This was a marsh area subsidence that caved in next to the NPLV Salt Dome, whose west side caverns have been breached and water has entered to form a lake from the surrounding swamp water into the subsided (sinkhole) area.
All of the land and trees and other materials that have fallen in created a plug. It is known as a Seep Plug. Unfortunately at the depths the well bore was at has somehow allowed access to the Big Hum strata level, hence all the readily available oil. 85, 000 gallons has already been skimmed, and from the looks of it, another 50,000 is now at the surface.
Again, the seep plug, or to make it easier, think of it as drain that is clogged. Although the throat is clogged a back pressure caused by methane builds up over time to the point the pressure blows a tiny part of the plug, (clog), away and a burp is caused. It’s albeit small pressure geologically is still enough to pop loose some of the plug and brings it and other materials to the surface. It also gives an outlet to the oil which is the second engine of pressure from under the dammed up plug.
Again, I must stress that it has been determined that Big Hum cannot…
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possibly account for the high levels of the methane, which is desperately seeking a release valve. The weakest area is the closest to that pressure which happens to be the plugged subsidence area, (i.e.sinkhole).
With twin sources of motivating power working underneath the plug, then it is only a matter of time before the whole plug is violently expelled and a geyer of methane produced pressure and oil will clear the throat, (like a plumbing drainpipe).
This is actually a very good thing that has happened, as it postpones the inevitable explosive removal of the subsidence plug.
Unfortunately, since we know there is a breach in the west wall, (who knows what chemicals have mixed underneath the plug, still swelling), and we have a drilling rig fracking at a roughly forty five degree angle on the east to the west side of the whole dome between five thousand, (turn) and then down another 7500 ft. allowing even more methane to fuel the pressures, then I would not be surprised if the Aussie’s are not indirectly responsible for this….
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@Freedomrox.. good info, thank you.
Regarding Big Hum accounting for methane.. Is it not possible that methane is traveling up the big hum? Maybe even from all the way down and connecting to the BP Gulf issue?
Also, Who determined that it can not possibly account for all the methane…?
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We have methane bubbles up here in PA and I have heard numerous other reports of streams and rivers with methane bubbles. In PA there is a video on YouTube of a woman using a lighter and lighting them up on Snake River. Perhaps that us the source of the confusion.
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Yours is a Fracking problem and not the same but is similar to the sinkhole.
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Yes you are right it is due to the deluge of Fracking in PA since our Gov. Corbett told the companies to come on over and drill tax free. All I can say is I did not vote for him.
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Hi, Cat. Thanks for the kudos. This was a very clipped explanation I gave my friend over at the Sinkhole Bugle. Sandia Labs is the one that rightly determined that Big Hum cannot be contaminating all of the Louisiana and Mississippi Aquifers, as well as pressure up to 20 miles away where the bubbling has been discovered. I will have to go thru all my Govt. PDF's to find the statement, but honestly…it only takes math.
As for your thoughts about Macondo, then please chk out my blog post at:
Louisiana Sinkhole’s Explosive Potential Massively Understated!
http://freedomrox.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/louisiana-sinkholes-explosive-potential-massively-understated/
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FREED..Thanks for the info thus I guess the burp its a good thing vs vomiting, so to speak, which could still occur but maybe it will blow sideways? Thanks again for the awesome info.
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Nice site Freedomrox
Thanks for the link!
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and us aussies have also caused climate change by driving on the wrong side of the road
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Not all Aussie's, just Golden Gate and partner that are drilling on the east side of the dome. They claim to now be below 12, 000 ft, but this is the first link that exposed this on Oct. 30th.
Are these people INSANE? The following is an October Press Release. They are drilling into the NAPOLEONVILLE SALT DOME STILL!
http://www.ggpl.com.au/documents/121030-GGPNapoleonvilleWellSpuds_0…
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@richard – it's caused by your toilets flushing backwards in the southern hemisphere
http://travel.usatoday.com/alliance/destinations/chrisaroundtheworld/post/2011/01/Coriolis-Effect-Do-toilets-flush-differently-in-the-Southern-Hemisphere/137840/1
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LOL, now that's funny. Maybe global cooling is because their Tornadoes spin clockwise as well. My Aussie friends will get a kick out of that one…
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Doesn't look like it is done..
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA03_BHZ_GS_00.2012112712.gif
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA09_BHZ_GS_00.2012112712.gif
and of course, suspicious lack of flyovers available.. hmmm
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http://nuclear-news.net/2012/11/28/how-secure-is-nuclear-un-iaea-nuclear-agency-server-hacked/
check it out!
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http://www.ombwatch.org/new-website-makes-info-on-fracking-chemicals-more-accessible
Fracking info page to give folks more idea of what's going on at various fracking sites.
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It seems everyone here has an agenda, to look smart. To post significant daily banter. Mark w and I and Matt Simmons have been trying to get you to stop being smart. Stop the denial. Get a grip. Get ready…wherever you are. This is going to affect the food supply throughout the country. There are those of us who will remember your levity. And worst of all…YOU will remember when it hits, that you DID nothing except crack jokes and pretend you were helpless…ask for financial blame and attack this like a virtual reality. You don't seem to realize or care about real consequences…because IF YOU DID I would definitely expect more from so gifted a group as you.
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I don't see anyone laughing, some sarcasm, but no laughing. The food chain was murdered in GOM two years ago by BP, and in the Pacific by Fukushima. I see no need to laugh.
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By the way, you offensive little person, I live next to those oil and gas pipelines that come just east of Memphis, Tenn. and live just east of the New Madrid Fault Line. I have my own blog which does not ask for donations, and report everyday on http://lasinkhole.wordpress.com/ with a friend that doesn't beg for donations either, nor is a UN shill selling a book like Debra Dupre' at the Examiner! I like Ene, because it is usually free of such egos!
The Louisiana Sinkhole Bugle is the place to be for latest updates from everywhere, such as right now…http://lasinkhole.wordpress.com/2012/11/27/4136/
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Irhologram, you seem to have your own agenda as well. Everyone here is aware that there is a bad situation happening, this isn't a website that the oblivious people tend to spend time at. We all clicked on this headline because we are mindbendingly concerned, it's not just you. We come here to share info and crack jokes because we all need some shelter from our daily lives full of people who have no interest in Enenews headlines. We're all human unfortunately, and we all deal with the trauma of knowing about these catastrophes in whatever way we know how. But no one here needs to be told off by you, so find another way to deal with it.
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Come on, IR. Lighten up. What is it you expect us all to do? I cant go down there and stick my finger in the breach and solve the problem. I dont see anybody making light of it. Perhaps you are too full of your own importance? Remember that we did nothing, you say? Let's hear it from the sinkhole guru then, what is it that we are supposed to be doing to fix this mess. Should we be pouring a truckload of pepto-bismol into the hole? Give the salt dome an enema? The notion that us ordinary folks are responsible when we had nothing to do with it is offensive. Dont be a jerk, IR.
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Okayyy, irhologram, now that you've lambasted the rest of us, I'm waiting for a report on what YOU have done to make it all better. Well…?
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I find the comments from this website to be very insightful.
The information I can get from them is a large part in my continued
revisiting of it many time a day.
I have seen no signs of any of the regulars having a light or callous
toward the terrifying events this site reports on.
irhologram, you need to get a grip.
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I appreciate the mix at Enenews. Its a very interesting, informative and insightful forum. I hope you can get past your frustration as you have important perspectives I appreciate.
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Dear Anthony,
Yes+++
Take care all
Aloha.
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Ditto!
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Gee guys, Looks like the sludge is only on one small part of the lake from what I can see… Am I see this wrong???
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It did not become a lake until it subsided. Then the swamp invaded it and made it a lake of about eight acres. The boom you see around the outer area of debris is just over the actual hole. What you see beyond is on the other side of the boom and is not clean either. This is not contained, only the "burp" debris of the plug. Runoff has guaranteed that any chemicals and oil are now spread thought miles of the swamp, and the trees you see dead, will continue to spread.
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umm.. you see a lake .. that's part of the 'wrong' bit.
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"Texas Brine removed all crews from the sinkhole and is checking the boom surrounding the area to make sure everything is intact."
I see NOTHING being intact around there.
What are they talking about? This is insane.
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Scrambling……….. the situation IS hitting the fan. Sad thing is Id bet money they have known of this for some time now.
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If you are in the area, please go on a very long vacation until hopefully this is stabilized. Be safe.
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People work so hard for their little piece of the pie. I was saddened to learn that most of Sandy's victims who lost their homes,have no flood insurance either. Everything, all those years of effort and doing the *right thing*, gone, POOF, all of it.
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Has there been any "official" acknowledgement or attempted explanation of the vast area of dead trees? Or are they going to wait until winter and tell us that they only LOOK dead because the leaves have fallen?
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FWIW…These info links:
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/subjects/s/strategic_petroleum_reserve_us/index.html
and the Strategic Petroleum Reserve
>>"… was created after the 1973…
..snip
The reserves are located underground in four man-made salt domes in Texas and Louisiana. All four locations combined hold a total of 727 million barrels of oil. The inventory is currently at 695 million barrels. That's around 80 days of import protection. It's the largest emergency oil supply in the world — it's worth about $63 billion.
Find it here:
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/just-explain-it/just-explain-strategic-petroleum-160032124.html
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If i were a Person involved in the monitoring of this disaster (SINKHOLE) I would put EQ and gas monitors all over the central part North South East West
Chicago to the north
Abilene Texas to the west
Mexico City to the South
And all the way to Florida to the east and up to Washington DC
This would be my guess as to the gas seepage-ages and oils and other things moving underground.Gas can move like blood through arteries in a body underground to Fissures , Aquifers ,low pressure areas laterally and vertically. I would monitor buildings and ponds all along the new Madrid fault line.
The methane Cap needs to be re frozen. HOT 500 degree oil is melting this material and could be the cause of the Huge up lift from the Gulf to the Caribbean islands.
two things need to be done
1. Seal off the oil from the Methane cap
2. freeze the methane and Oil and Plug the whole thing up with as much concrete additive as possible down the Shaft drilled by Bp The whole shale under area needs to be sealed up. A plastic sealant could be used,and the whole area around the Bp drilling site needs to be sealed to stop this ongoing disaster. Along the Mississippi The methane needs to be mapped as to its composition frozen liquid or gas state. Junctions needs to be frozen and sealed as well to stop the gas paths.
Markww
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Hi markww
It wouldn't hurt if they put up EQ and gas monitors. If they can monitor us on the roads with camera's, they sure can monitor this also.
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**HOT 500 degree oil **
- I feel like a knob for not knowing flowing oil is so hot.
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I have begged for church groups to get involved to cross match appropriate families for relocation. I try here to move people to action and not talk. I signed the petition for federal intervention. I am no hero in this arena and MUST rely on YOU because I am the sole 24 hour caregiver for my incontinent, Oxygen connected 92 year old fragile Dad here at home, where he is trying to recover from a broken hip. I literally must wipe his fanny several times a day, puree food, and keenly watch at all times what line needs to be crossed to call 911. What do I suggest needs to be done? Its time to call 911. Its time to stop feeling futile and overcome, helpless, and like sideline spectators. This is OUR world about to literally go to hell, wherever in it we live. What could you do, nothing…right? Well, we COULD scream bloody murder, since we are being murdered, and maybe, just maybe if we had, we could have prevented the new drilling that was permitted two weeks AFTER the sinkhole began and after months of thousands of small earthquakes…a well that will now affect the stability of pressure in the area. It's as if they are trying to mount this mega geyser like the pilot in Dr. Strangelove, the cowboy, who rode the bucking bomb down. If you are saying the only sane thing is to just let them…what will be next? An earlier poster just asked us to ask them "What is your plan. what's next?" What is OUR plan, since no one is going to this for us.
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"no one is going to (sic) this for us".
Exactly.
You are indulging in displacement activity (Übersprungshandlung). I sympathize, but it doesn't help resolve the energy challenges at the sinkhole or elsewhere.
Find another approach (or not) – your choice – but your present approach is not working, as you point out.
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aigeezer,
It is noticed that as you sit in France critiquing a kind woman in duress that is attempting to deal with an immense threat; you are offering no answers only critiques. Your approach to what is an open discussion is perceived as an unnecessary and cruel one.
If you do not have viable solutions you should not entertain yourself by being so negative towards irhologram. All ideas are worthy of consideration. There are people that have money and influence that can be alerted by her suggestion of "fake" gas masks in newsworthy rally that could produce a story that would be carried by world news and result in a solution.
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If only we humans would not be so splintered..
Maybe the Borg can save us now..
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Frankly it sounds like you have a lot going down. With all that you are doing, maybe activism is not something you should consider. Blogging may be what you can deal with.
As for all 'our' 'plans', well, none of us are an actual coordinated group, so it's unlikely to happen. Each of us can only do our own level of activism (although I do agree with your comment that there is not enough going on). I try my bit, I hope others do too.
The nuke industry is huge and organized, we do actually need to equal them to defeat them.
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Sorry, but we are not all called Richard..
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what's meant by this JustmeAlso? From what I gather from his response, richard's only attempting to let irhologram know that his personal situation may take precedence over his activism. Though I'm aware that such could be used by any of us to rationalize our taking a back seat, he is correct (if I'm reading him correctly) in pointing out that we must never abandon our familial obligations. Again, it's a tricky issue but I'd have to agree with richard, on this one…
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irhologram I applaud your concern about families for relocation.
Your posting is an alert to readers from all over that may
encourage them to participate. The "Our plan" group is not just the regular posters to this blog but also the thousands of concerned readers. The problem with getting activists involved is, if the disaster has not yet happened, an alert warning does not seem to suffice. Some think it is not a real problem until someone is actually hurt by it.
However…"Failing to prepare is preparing to fail."
The people that live in southern LA need to become alarmed enough to petition their local governments to unite and fight this situation and demand that a resolution to this threat be achieved.
People in the surrounding areas need to know where their nearest burn center is located. Those facilities need to be well stocked with supplies. I posted a method of treating burns if it is impossible for you to reach a hospital or doctor in the FORUM: Methods for combating radiation and its effects.
The love you have for your father is heartwarming and a true inspiration. I wish the best for you and your family.
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Well Irhologram, I can appreciate how caregiver stress can make one's tone sound 'off'. Glad you came back to share more of your ideas, and you raise a good point that everyone should try to do some thing, even one thing.
To be honest I'm really at a loss of what to do though. If anyone wants to start a brainstorm of ideas or share what they have done to raise awareness or take action, I'd love to hear more about it.
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We could distribute gas masks to every local where the smell or readings of gas were reported. There is no safe way to protest, after NDAA, and so those concerned could distribute and wear symbolic gas masks, and be picked up as a story by alternate news, and use the forum to expose the dangers. If Jerry Falwell could lead a contingent running up the steps to all 50 state capitols to claim them for God, SURELY some are committed enough to claim them for energy sanity. Or a group could go around to city hall with pix of all the places that bubble, or where the water burns and do it in unison at once, all over the country and invite the local press everywhere, then get it to alternative media…I'm sure groups must already be doing that now. If so, I'll help distribute. We could travel, as a group p, to each fracking site that has had an earthquake, or we could send someone into each of those areas, feed it live by Skype to alternative media TV, and then get it in the Drudge Report. There is a poster named Austin on BIN who claims to be a doctor/scientist who understands the perils we discuss here, but even added a couple more I hadn't much considered. He said he was popping into the forum to let us know "they" are studying our emotional temperatures and tolerance levels about these catastrophic problems and they make plans they think they can get by with, based on the content of the blog. Probably a bogus post, but even so, that is likely to be happening.
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"We could distribute gas masks". Pronoun anaphora challenge… who do you think "we" might be?
Do you imagine one of us replying, "yes, I have a thousand spare gas masks in my basement – I'll distribute them at once (where?)".
"We could travel, as a group". Do you realize that you are addressing a worldwide audience here?
Focus those good intentions, otherwise you are just howling at the moon (displacement activity).
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There may be high schools in the southern Louisiana area that would be interested in participating in the "fake" gas mask rally. They could perhaps have a parade in their city to involve the citizens to broaden the awareness of this impending disaster. Some good posters and community involvement can go a long way. The potential disaster area of 300 miles should be enough to warrant participations.
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And that's why I'm passionate.
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Of course fund raising would be involved. Just how do you think grass roots efforts begin, hmmm? All we need is one charismatic leader who is willing. Worldwide? OK. Worldwide. Fracking is everywhere. Bubbles are everywhere. Water is burning all over. I am not suggesting good intentions. I am suggesting we start taking responsibility for the planet, because no one else will. In the end, it has always been up to each one of us.
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"All we need is one charismatic leader" and "up to each one of us" are polar opposites.
Focus your thoughts. What, exactly, do you want and how, exactly, do you propose to achieve it?
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I live in the Philadelphia are. If anyone is within travel to me, or I am within travel to you – I'm ready to protest. Let me say this – 20 people is no good – we need thousands, or we'll just be 20 nut job, tin foil wearing, fringe people having a picnic.
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This is how protesters can help protect themselves:
Motorcycle, or Bicycle Helmet
Swim Goggles (to shield eyes from tear gas)
Bandana (to hide face)
Plastic Chest / Back Protector (like for paintball)
Plastic Shoulder, Elbow, Forearm protectors (sporting goods)
Baseball Catchers Leg Guards
Foam Padding
Cell Phone / Video Camera
Safe re-group location (pre-determined)
Anyone add anything?
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…a get-out-of-jail-free-card?
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LOL. Yeah. This is my point … if we remain sheeple, then we will be led to slaughter regardless of what we want. To really get change people will have to say "No" is not an option, and be willing to back it up, and possibly get roughed up a little, perhaps. See what I mean? We all will suffer mightily, and no one can get 20 people together to protest and bring attention to the coverups. This is why I gave up, and am just waiting for my time to get sick and die.
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no need to lay down and die. All you need do is wake up to your real power; which doesn't reside in traditional forms of 'resistance'…
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Exactly, Aftershock.
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Aigeezer. It's Zen, where seeming opposites, individual responsibility and spontaneous leadership from among the ranks of the responsible are different but have the same origin and the same result. I AM focusing. On the need to take responsible, consciousness raising steps toward constructive action. One of those steps is beginning the dialogue admitting the need.
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What's the next step?
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The problem is: All talk, No Walk.
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JHewes76, I just noticed you're in the Philly area. There's a Philly-related issue you might be willing/able to help with. I'm not trying to put you on the spot – you just happen to be the first person to mention a Philly connection.
As you may know, there is only one station on the radiation network from Philly. It almost always reads high, and is usually the highest count on the map. Tim has tried to contact the owner without success so far. Chances are the probe is near an emitting source such as radon in a basement but of course it could be something more serious.
From time to time, people notice this result and post things like "radiation network reports Philadelphia is the hottest site in the country", which just adds to the general FUD.
Anyway, it would be great if there were two, three, or a hundred other stations reporting from the Philly area.
I'm wondering whether you could beg, borrow or buy one or whether you could persuade friends, family or colleagues to set up one or more new stations from the Philly area.
I apologize for proposing this in a public setting. It's just… I don't know a better way to handle it.
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I've been wanting to get a Geiger Counter to start taking readings for a while now, but I'm currently unemployed, and my wife and I are surviving on just her paycheck. I'll ask around and see if I can get some friends to chip in to defray the cost for me, or start one of their own… but everytime I mention Fuku, or the Gulf they look at me like I'm a nut. I'm kind of tired being trashed in the forums, and made fun of by friends – so I'll probably try to buy one myself, and just report readings. I'm more or less done commenting on topics now tho.
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Thanks, JHewes76. Every bit helps, as you know.
Maybe you've got a future as Philly's Geiger counter maven – ya never know how one thing leads to another.
Best of luck, however it plays out.
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Do I want a meter that displays:
mR/hr and CPM
-or-
mR/hr and uSv/hr ?
Both are offered at the site I visited.
Thanks
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Going from memory, I think Enenews regular poster "vital1" has detailed advice on that kind of question. I bought my counter on the advice of someone here quite a while back. Today I'd buy a different model, not because it doesn't work, but because the newer ones have more features.
vital1, are you around?
I'll see if I can find his links for you if he doesn't answer directly.
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Here's one: http://enenews.com/forum-post-radiation-monitoring-data-april-30-2012-present/comment-page-18#comment-307378
I hope he'll notice this thread and add others.
Anti-proton's site has good stuff also.
http://anti-proton.com/
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Thanks much! Looks like I have some reading to do
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Good timing – vital1 just posted an update:
http://enenews.com/forum-post-radiation-monitoring-data-april-30-2012-present/comment-page-18#comment-308787
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CPM, any conversion to mSv is based upon assumptions of the radionuclide which we won't know, so the CPM is a "more true" measurement.
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Philly is in a rough spot – there must be 3 or 4 nukes in the general area
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Oyster Creek, Salem, Limerick… probably more, plus any classified stuff.
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Just in case anyone was wondering about the source of the sinkhole, Wikipedia says: "Assuming a meltdown product could persist in a mobile molten form for long enough to reach the center of the Earth, gravity would prevent it continuing to the other side." (not funny really)
Sometimes I wonder which will do us in more quickly – oil and global warming or radiation.
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I've read through all the comments here and grieve for all. Grew up in LA, remember it as a child 50 years ago and see it today. Hangs head….can only think of one thing that may help. Contact the national groups and fill them in on the entire situation. Then you have an organization you can join and work with rather than trying to begin one yourself. Surely they are not aware how dire this situation is. It is being kept out of the public eye. I know there are anti-fracking groups and have to be others. Maybe the best outcome would be for all groups to join together. Hope this idea helps. Many prayers for you all.
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Hard to believe but there is no mention of the Bayou Corne situation in this "News" section of the Louisina Oil and Gas Association. However, there is a story about: Obama Administration to offer more than 20 million acres in Gulf of Mexico, and China planning ‘huge fracking industry’.
Another bit of news: Taylor Energy Co., one of the largest privately owned oil and gas companies operating in the Gulf of Mexico, sold all its energy assets to a joint venture between Korea National Oil Corp. and Samsung Corp. Korea National Oil Corporation is the national oil and gas company of South Korea and one of the most important industrial companies in the country. Samsung Group is a South Korean multinational conglomerate company.
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Here is the link if you want to read the articles.
http://loga.la/news/
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Thanks for the link Insight. The Chinese situation with tracking sounds out of control.
who are the people that think up these schemes in the first place?
the GOM leases seem just as insane, but inevitable. The world's dependence on all things flammable is a very sorry sight.
that quantities of energy available are very tempting. i suppose renewables have a long way to go before they can really replace 25 trillion cubic meters of gas.
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the damn spell checker's been driving me nuts. above – tracking = fracking.
i'm on a different computer then normal, using safari, and i've looked back thru my posts and noticed it's changed all sorts of things. sheesh, will have to keep a closer eye on checking the checker
apologies for typos and auto-text corrections.
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I am wondering how the 20 million acres in Gulf of Mexico lease buy out went today in New Orleans. I doubt the government restricted the leases to Americans only so there may be large areas of the gulf now in the hands of the Chinese, Russian or Arab nations.
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@JHewes – thought you should know the reason I said that the 3 nuke plants within the possible projected blast area probably didn't even know about the sinkhole situation. There is a hospital that is located about 9 miles from the sinkhole and I called the director of that hospital the other night just to ask if they were aware of what was going on. It was a night they had big seismic activity and quakes in the area. She informed me that she had no idea of the situation so I advised her to contact the assumption parrish police department and ask about possible evacuation preparedness. She was totally shocked that no one had advised her on the situation. Needless to say they are aware now because of my phone call. So that is why I was a bit testy with you. We need to work together on this and not get in petty arguements as this doesn't help anyone.
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I see what you are saying about the everyday workers and such – they ARE being kept in the dark. I was trying to say the "Authorities" probably know, and are keeping their fingers crossed. Sorry for the disconnect
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"I called the director of that hospital the other night". Good thinking, timemachine2020. That's a great example of how an individual action can make a difference. Thanks for doing that and telling us about it!
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Seems pretty darn irresponsible not to inform a hospital thats only nine miles away of the situation – not a word even about the toxins being released much less the possible worst case scenarios. Looks to be a blatant community leadership failure to me.
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Google says that Our Lady of the Lakes (Assumption Community Hospital) is only 6.7 miles downwind in Napoleonville. The dominant wind direction in winter will be to the South and East from the sinkhole, so Napoleonville would pretty much be right under the most likely plume area now. I'm sure DHS is all over that.
Prevost Memorial in Donaldsonville is 9.4 miles NE. They would have been a little North of the most likely plume area in September and October with E and ENE dominant wind directions.
The Family Medical Center and a few private clinics are in Pierre Part, 6.8 miles to the SW. Slightly South of the July and August Westerly and WSW dominant winds. Didn't people there complain about the smell during those months? Mystery solved.
http://www.windfinder.com/windstats/windstatistic_baton_rouge.htm#
Of course, all the above locations also have plenty of people living there. They are outside the state-declared evacuation area, so they must not be flammable or subject to methane asphyxiation.
The Napoleonville and Donaldsonville hospitals only have a half-dozen or so beds and nothing like a burn unit. That would be in Baton Rouge General – they have a small but top notch unit. Three of the guys from the Nov. 16th platform fire are there now.
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Prevost hospital is the one I contacted a couple days ago – they had no idea of what is going on at the sinkhole.
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The implications are just starting to hit me. Schools? Prisons? Offices? Factories?… Do none of them have procedures in place unless/until someone from the public calls as you did?
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That's Homeland Security's job, aigeezer. Since those little towns are outside the blast zone of death, then there's no danger and no need to tell anyone anything. DHS excels at that.
Besides, in Louisiana it's the potential victim's responsibility to help themselves. They are to get a game plan. Yes, there's an app for that. Seriously…
http://www.getagameplan.org/
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Ouch, PavewayIII – from within the site you linked:
"Common questions about the Bayou Corne incident — Updated 8/24/2012"
August! It's not a typo.
http://gohsep.la.gov/bayoucorne.aspx
http://gohsep.la.gov/agencyrelated/AskGOHSEP_commonquestions_August24.pdf
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Yes, it is. I live in Pennsylvania and I haven't seen any news regarding the La sinkhole, in over a month. Seems like the mainstream media is ignoring it.
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ALl hell breakin loose in LA03
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That had to be giant chunks of the dome caving in
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Im trying to remember whats in LA03 – does anyone know? It has had 2 major shakes today one at 8;45 this morning and one just now – definately in trouble for sure.
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Do you mean what's under it well-wise?
http://www.edsuite.com/proposals/proposals_280/seismic_map_092012_fi_466.pdf
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Now LA06 is having a fit!
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@PavewayIII Thanks for that map – how about the contents that are under these spots? Does anyone have that info?
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That pad is for the mysterious 6000' deep Oxy #10. It's an injection well for brine mining producing a *secret* cavern (Shhhh…) Not repurposed to a storage cavern like Oxy #3 yet as far as anyone knows, but that's what TB was probably planning.
Permitted in 1988 but the DNR well logs only go to March of 2010. SONRIS records (the publicly accessable ones) are a mess. Big gap from March of 2010 to November of 2011. They lowered the production tubing further down the cavern that month. 10" to 4500' and 7" to 5800' according to the well description, so they must have been operating it all this time. They mine from the top down and move a thousand feet or so each time. That makes the middle and bottom of the cavern wider.
They've been mining that hole for years now. The cavern has to be huge but who knows.
This is just the summary page:
http://sonlite.dnr.state.la.us/sundown/cart_prod/cart_con_wellinfo2?p_WSN=971992
Since all the sonic logs (shape of cavern), mechanical integrity tests and recent well logs are missing, it's anyone's guess. Texas Brine never talks about it.
The DNR took a picture of the wellhead in September in case anyone steals it:
http://ucmwww.dnr.state.la.us/ucmsearch/UCMRedir.aspx?url=http%3a%2f%2fdnrucm%2fucm%2fgroups%2fconservation%2fdocuments%2fooc%2f4312951.pdf
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PavewayIII excellent dig on that report. Did you notice the missing operators signature on that report? That cavern is failing – just look at todays siesmic activity there. Wonder whats really down there? Guess we will find out soon enough.
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Ms. Oubre started gathering pictures of the wellheads recently – they must have changed something in the DNR. She amends a lot of the initial inspection reports with another 'picture' one. The original one is also on SONRIS and that one is probably signed by the operator.
I think the operators are actually with the Conservation Agents during the inspection, so it wouldn't be a big deal either way. Believe me, unsigned inspection reports are the *least* of the problems with LA DNR records.
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