Published: March 12th, 2013 at 2:36 pm ET
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Title: Brockovich v. Sinkhole
Source: HuffPost Live
Host: Josh Zepps
Date: March 12, 2013
At 2:00 in
Erin Brockovich: They’re starting to really face the facts that they’re not going to get back into their homes. They’re not getting answers. They’re very frightened when they are at their homes, when they’re moving things, because there’s this kind of unknown factor that there could be an explosion at any minute. [...]
What happened was all that gas was now dispersed and you can see on an infrared where it was dispersed to and this gas is around 250 psi underneath this residential area, so I mean the pressure is extremely intense, which is why they’ve got them all under evacuation — mandatory. They don’t want them there at all. [...]
They’re not going to get to go home again. And when you’re walking around there, I even feel that fear, because they’re gone and it’s quiet and you see gas bubbling out in this bayou and you’re wondering, “I want to get the heck off of here because you’re afraid you might blow up.” [...]
We have pretty good indication that it’s a dead area and they’re not going to get to go back.
Watch the program here
Published: March 12th, 2013 at 2:36 pm ET
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Texas Brine should rapidly assist in buy outs. But there might be a problem if forcing the company to do so. Reading the CONTRACT signed with the state of Lousiana, that a buy out is not mentioned, just employees are to help the citizens to the best of their ability. Not big teeth..Hope the lawyers take a good look at those documents.
Information is on http://lasinkhole.wordpress.com/
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JEC
Contract be damned
the state of Louisiana by direction of the governor through the office of the DEQ can declare the area a disaster, too hazardous for human habitation. And that condition was caused by and is to the liability of TxBrn.
That would force TxBrn into a buy out. And a Tx company does not want to play in a Louisiana court.
The absence of Jindal– then his sudden appearance– and all the attention it created is to the advantage of Bayou Corne — destroying any connections or clout that Tx Brn may have had
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Infrared has told them exactly where the gas is all along? Huh! How 'bout that!
"and you can see on an infrared where it was dispersed to and this gas…"
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"Gas pressure is extremely intenses"
Has anyone been reading the monitored pressures.
Aquifer- 15-25 psi, Oxy#3 850-100 psi which is the hydrostatic maintained inside the cavern to prevent collapse
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have you been reading what she actually said? you dont list the pressure "underneath this residential area" as she says. she does not say the aquifer or the cavern
She said "What happened was all that gas was now dispersed and you can see on an infrared where it was dispersed to and this gas is around 250 psi underneath this residential area, so I mean the pressure is extremely intense, which is why they’ve got them all under evacuation — mandatory."
infrared shows
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gas was now dispersed
gas was now dispersed
gas was now dispersed
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underneath residential area
underneath residential area
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majorrick
Sorry but you have read only her comment, have you been following the situation– for how long?
The gas is accumulating in the aquifer and the aquifer lays under the residentail area-There are vents and monitoring wells in the residentail areas so the pressures are measured and known.
The gas pressure in the aquifer is limited to the weight of water over it pressing down- the hydrostatic of the water. As the gas approaches a greater pressure it 'lifts' the water in the form of bubbles escaping the aquifer at the bubble sites.
The area of the accumulate gas in the aquifer is over two sq miles..
Have no problem with her stretching it a bit if it helps the people–BUT if it goes to court TxBrn and the DNR have the records of pressures — and they are regularly posted in the internet
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Thad, how deep was this 15-25 psi Aquifer reading? Does that make more sense to you as a surface level, misleading statistic…considering the vitality of pervasive gas release? Besides, Ms.. Brockovich says she SAW the infrared! Do we have access to this infrared mapping of gases under the homes in Bayou Corn and elsewhere these salt domes interconnect? If we do, how deep are their origins? Is this one large gas pocket or many smaller ones? Do you really think the pressure in these pockets is 15-25 psi? If so, why would these gases be breaching up?
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And they are reading from pockets which they have been venting. Just because all of the places they are monitoring say low pressure does not mean localized formations which are not in communication with the vented areas are the same pressure. Why else would they be wanting to put in so many wells? If they could just put in a few larger wells would they be going to so much work and expense?
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@16 PENNY, urgent. Check email for Contact Info for Board Meeting Tomorrow!
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Anyone interested in learning about the other potentials for pockets of gas should review Hecox's statements from earlier public meetings. If listening to words is too hard for you, I think he drew a picture to illustrate the typical soil properties in the area. In fact I am sure he did and that I have seen it. Perhaps Hecox was wrong again, right? lol
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irhologram
The info found puts the ceiling of the aquifer at ~90 ft there are some pockets in the ceiling that are closer to surface –
Have trouble with infra red statement- infra red is a reading of the difference heat– with the marsh, water ther is just to many varibles—EXCEPT the natural vents–gas coming would be cooler or the flares wre there would be a heat signature– the thing is with the possible exception of a new undiscovered bubble site these locations are already known
16P
The only place the gas can/is accumulating is in the pockets in the aquifer ceiling. The only place where a higher pressure can and does exist is in the source formation that are leaking- there are no monitoring well that deep.
Reason for more vent-more pocket locations found. And the is some indication that gas flow from source has increased, is filling all pockets and has began to displacing the ceiling of the aquifer– at that time the gas pressure will be the same across the aquifer.
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I believe the recent activity recorded by the helicorders..was a cavern failure.
With or without..I think a burp is eventual..probably sooner or later.
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..typo..probably sooner than later.
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"Burp." I love it. Is that like calling the massive spewing of radioactivity "a leak"?
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Quote of the week:
"The EPA is absent." –Erin Brockovich
SP: Erin seems to be up to speed pretty quick about Bayou Corne and you can get the feeling the shit is fixing to hit the fan in government offices.
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She'll make this a national issue quick. Someone needs to help those people down there. Sure as hell their government was willing to let them die up to the day Erin showed up.
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SP
The infra- red survey she refers to came from the EPA
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Ya..the survey..where is their recommendation?
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Very interesting related article with a lot of good info (BEFORE SINKHOLE BEGINNING) like where the saltdome begins at 700 feet below ground surface in assumption parrish, along with well site counts and some contents. Article from the Advocate back on July 10th 2012. Leaking and or exploding pipelines with all the ground movements and land subseidence has got to another major concern that is not being discussed. Besides the possibilities of fires and or explosions from the sinkhole and nearby caverns, 1 failed and another on the edge of failing, there is a massive pipeline substructure network under that area that is also at risk of causing extreme danger and damage to life and property. These integrity of these pipelines are very suspect in many of the bayou and land bubbleing sites due to age and repositioning movements caused by all the tremors and subterraineal shifting, in addition to the other causes of massive methane releases in that area. Pipelines coming in and out of that cavern complex should ALL be closed and pressures bled down along with removal of all dangerous contents of ALL the caverns at that facility. The sinkhole has not stopped growing since the day it opened up and is going in the direction of all the other caverns. A direct path of dome erosion heading east.
http://theadvocate.com/news/3219113-123/efforts-intensify-to-find-gas
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If they can't get the liqiud propane and butane out immediately, mabey they should start flairing it off like the methane is being done. These flammable and explosive liquified gas caverns at this facility WILL ALL fail eventually. A chain reaction has begun that only mother nature can stop now. This is all because OXY 3 was carved out too close to the edge of the salt dome. Now they say that oxy1 is closer to oxy3 than previously reported and has begun to fail. How many more are too close to eachother? Recent helicorders especially the early hours of monday when there were NO major drilling or construction activity going on showed violent earth movements below. Like Miss Brokovich said. That is a DEAD area and is no longer suitable for human population. Harsh as this may sound and it breaks my heart to say it but, the Bayou Corne Party is over. You will not be able to return to your homes or ever build there again. Governor Jindal is telling TB to buy the folks out once and for all. Get your belongings while you still can. PS Any boaters that travel the bayous that come up on bubbleing sites in the waterways are advised to avoid going directly over the bubble sites. Yoor boat could sink very fast as we witnessed at the beginning of the sinkhole, and they were on an airboat.
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Hope this is not too off-topic. I think I'm going to start watching for sinkholes:
U.S. golfer swallowed by sinkhole on 14th hole
Illinois man escapes 5.5 metre deep sinkhole after suffering a dislocated shoulder
The Associated Press Posted: Mar 12, 2013 5:49 PM ET Last Updated: Mar 12, 2013 5:45 PM ET Read 0 comments0
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/03/12/us-golf-sinkhole-illinois.html
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I wondered the same thing, a lot all at once. The entire geology of this country is suspect. We may not know why, but something's going wrong beneath our feet.
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Sorry, but Mortgage Broker + Earth opening to swallow him up = KARMA
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That was funny Rox!…
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A picture of the sinkhole the day it opened up on august 6th 2012
http://bridgethegulf.tumblr.com/post/28872450224/august-6-2012-residents-say-what-were-looking
compare to the present
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK3fzFy-r5M&playnext=1&list=PLFAto3abtmd8biqc0r92YuOd8XC8f7Fk2&feature=results_video
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This article expands on what is really happening down there. And it's not just Bayou Corne that needs to worry. Here's an excerpt:
"One trucker reported that miles and miles of underground pipeline run through the state. This connects the impending explosion everywhere. Fuel pipelines are networked from Houston, TX, Baton Rouge and Lake Charles 5 or 6 feet deep. If the sinkhole blows then all pipelines are affected and fuel production would be cut off."
http://www.digitalsyndicate.net/sinkhole.html
Also interesting to note is Texas Brine operates as a subsidiary of the, $30B/year German giant conglomerate, Bayer AG. I'm sure there must be connections somewhere in that beast to Mr. Jindal…
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Seems there are sinkholes proliferating everywhere lately!
With a sinkhole here,
And a sinkhole there.
Here a sinkhole.
There a sinkhole.
Everywhere a sinkhole.
Eyie 'eyie 'O
Oh how our inventive ideas to:
Store this underground,
Put that underground,
Just put everything underground,
Underground is out of mind
Eyie 'eyie 'O
After having created something like earth swiss cheese
We should not be surprised to live on the lea, not lee,
Side of swiss cheese!
Just feeling like there is a strange increasing frequency of sinkholes opening up across the planet. Seems like just another indication of human lack of forethought about technological "fixes."
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2 More sinkholes just opened up across the US
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rtE6dD__eQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axBVQ8si5mI
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More trouble in Bayou Corne this morning per helicorders
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA11_HHZ_YC_–.2013031300.gif
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA11_HHZ_YC_–.2013031300.gif
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA14_HHZ_YC_–.2013031300.gif
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The Voids have burped and sucked down at least 100,000 cu. ft. in last 36 hours, and fluidic movements are beyond control. Common sense states that if voids are in communications with the outside salt wall, then another branch has been brined away.
If this keeps up at this rate for another two days, then we are looking at OXY 1 and OXY being completely compromised. The Salt is already shifting more westward, dmamaged the casing at Occidental Brine Well 1, and caused a bubbling site on Crosstex property on Feb. 1.
Things are deteriorating quickly, and pray that it stops… If it doesn't equalize soon then we are all facing a bleak outcome. Last thing any of us truly wants…
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Edit: "then we are looking at OXY 1 and OXY 2 being completely compromised. The Salt is already shifting more westward, damaged the casing at Occidental Brine Well 1, and caused a bubbling site on Crosstex property on Feb. 1."
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Now tugboats can run into pipelines in the water?? Pipelines aren't buried? LAFITTE, LA. A tugboat pushing an oil barge struck a gas pipeline in a bayou south of New Orleans on Tuesday night, igniting a blaze that burned for hours…
Jefferson Parish Councilman Chris Roberts, who represents the area, told WWL-TV the fire was in very shallow water, as little as a foot deep, and that authorities wouldn't approach the site until the fire had burned itself out. Officials told the station the water is too shallow and the fire too intense to attempt to extinguish it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57573991/huge-blaze-erupts-after-tugboat-pushing-oil-barge-hits-pipeline-on-la-bayou/
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irhologram
Really? Wellheads, gas pipelines, all depends on where they are unmarked, or orphaned… Nothing new, just tragic…
Tug vessel hits abandoned gas well in Barataria Waterway
http://www.wwltv.com/news/Wellhead-hit-leaking-oil-near-Bayou-St-Denis-99313024.html
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irhologram
There are requirements for the depth that pipeline are buried. Sometime a shifting bottom can un-bury. Marine pipeline are concrete coated so they don't float– so even if bottom erosion has un-buried it was laying on bottom—so barge was or tug had to be dragging bottom to strike.
Note: the article mentioned very shallow water maybe as little as 1 ft–sounds like skipper screwed up and got out of the channel–so how deep into the bottom did the tug go before hitting the pipeline—nothing said about tug or barge sinking – why have they not moved?? could be sitting on bottom.
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Regarding legalities, surely THE RESIDENTS should not have to take the brunt of this company having a contract with THE STATE. SOMEONE has to compensate them.
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They will…patience. Not much longer. Things will roll quick then.
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Rox, please clarify. I thought these pipelines were buried 4 to 5 feet deep. You mean pipelines are run in the open, threading through waterways… OUT and exposed, but not visible in the water…not buried UNDER the soilbed beneath the water? I thought the exposed, bent pipeline at the sinkhole was because the soil was displaced by sinkhole waters.and earthquakes. My question when I read of uncontrollable fire caused by a boat hitting a pipeline in 1 foot of water…is…did some geological process (subsidence?) erode the soil bed where the pipe was buried? Why would this pipeline's supply not be cut? If it was cut, why did the fire rage on? Why, at the same time, was oil observed on the surface of the water if the rupture site was on fire, consuming the oil? Even if pipeline oil was able to escape combustion, why did the oil observed on the surface of not catch fire? Why would a tug boat crack a pipe under water cause an unstoppable fire, anyway? I'm confused about what is being described here.
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Expert: Substantially more than 50,000,000 cubic feet of gas below surface near giant sinkhole? Covers over 2 square miles — Enough to do ‘very serious damage’ — New flyover footage posted (VIDEO)
" The gas currently covers over 2 square miles, the extent is not well defined […] The gas across here is between 2 and 10 feet thick […] around 50-60 psi pressure […] it is enough to have large volumes come to the surface very rapidly if it’s uncontrolled. It’s enough to do very serious damage to anything on the surface if it’s not controlled. [...]"
http://enenews.com/gas-covers-2-square-miles-underground-sinkhole
TWO SQUARE MILES..needs to be accounted for..immediately.
PS. I'd extend the extent.
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EARTHQUAKES ASSUMPTION PARISH REPORT
http://assumptionla.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/1155-a-m-increased-seismic-activity-reported/
Markww
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Anyone around there might consider a short trip until after this thing burps again. Not that I think anyone should be there, just saying that for those who are there for one reason or another.
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