Caldicott: If Spent Fuel Pool No. 4 collapses I am evacuating my family from Boston (VIDEO)

Published: April 4th, 2012 at 4:34 am ET
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Title: Dr. Helen Caldicott: What We Learned From Fukushima
Source: PirateTV Seattle
Date: April 2, 2012

Watch the full video here

More about the event here: http://seattlecommunitymedia.org/node/30754

From Monday: Mainichi Expert Sr. Writer: Gov't sources say No. 4 pool a grave concern -- Storage pool barely intact -- We have no time to humor senseless thinking of those who downplay the risks

Short Clip (Later in the talk Caldicott says it will be to Australia, as the Southern Hemisphere receives much less contamination):

h/t Anonymous tip

Title: Helen Caldicott
Source: Wikipedia

Caldicott… received her medical degree in 1961 from the University of Adelaide Medical School. In 1977 she joined the staff of the Children’s Hospital Medical Center in Boston, and taught pediatrics at the Harvard Medical School from 1977 to 1978. [...]

During her time in the United States from 1977 to 1986, Caldicott was involved with Physicians for Social Responsibility (founded originally in 1961), an organization of 23,000 doctors committed to educating others on the dangers of nuclear energy. She also worked abroad to establish similar groups [...] One such international group (International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War) was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1985 [...]

Published: April 4th, 2012 at 4:34 am ET
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107 comments to Caldicott: If Spent Fuel Pool No. 4 collapses I am evacuating my family from Boston (VIDEO)

  • kintaman kintaman

    I will be out of here also if that happens. The only safe place will be off of this planet though.


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  • mungo mungo

    METI Releases Partial Report Of Fukushima Internet Spying Project
    April 4th, 2012 | Add a Comment

    [Translate] Advertising agency Asatsu-DK produced a report to METI of their internet spying program. The agency was contracted to snoop on public internet and social media traffic in order to prevent “harmful rumor”. The report heavily looked at what was posted on Twitter. It also looked at posts on public discussion boards and other forms of online media such as blogs and websites. The report documents the type of concerns and questions people discussed online then formed official answers that would be used to try to respond to concerns. In the type of data collecting done some was done by manually reading or looking for information while some was done automatically. Either method would have provided the opportunity to also collect the identity of people posting online about Fukushima


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    • Misitu

      yes, Mungo, and I suppose that this is what the Mainichi refers to as "senseless thinking of those who downplay the risks",

      and the only “harmful rumor” is that created by those reckless criminals seeking to persuade the public in Japan and other countries that nothing harmful has resulted from the Fukushima Dai-ichi meltdowns. Not mincing words but the Ministry that concealed the SPEEDI data has committed a health crime against its own citizens. And anyone who took money from them is complicit.

      M.


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    • americancommntr

      How noble. They are rearranging public relations deck chairs.


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  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    To where?
    Since Ms. Caldicott is Australian, I presume she would fly back to the Southern Hemisphere?
    If Boston is toast, what about everything in between?

    I haven't been on the forum much since I have been depressed at the news…sometimes it just doesn't seem like it is worth getting up in the morning. I am doing the opposite of what I am 'supposed' to do , as I've done for much of my life: I am moving house to a charming smaller city nearby with a great cultural life and am going to enjoy what time I have left to do so. I'll be visiting my family in the USA, too. There is nothing we can do and nowhere most of us can go to get away from this.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Hey milk and cheese, it's good to see you around! I'm getting depressed as well from time to time – then I know it's time for a "digital detox" time. I attended lots of "social economy" and "permaculture" and "how to start a community on renewables" courses over the past 6 months. Helped, actually. There's a LOT we can do!
      Stay safe! :-)


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      • HoTaters

        Hi B&B, where (general locale) are you taking your permaculture and other classes? Am interested in same. Are you posting anything on this at Forum area? Am interested in learning about biodynamic farming. Did you see my recent post on the "300 year old food forest" in Vietnam?


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    • See kintaman's post above !


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  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    I agree with Kintaman, there is no 'safe place'. Australia is also being affected by the airborne particles, and the ocean is poisoned as far south as the Philippines, already. Everyone gets to share.


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    • vital1 vital1

      I am on the east coast of Australia and have set up a community radiation monitoring station, where you can see present and past radiation levels charted on a daily basis. Our general background appears to have increase by 10 to 20% in the last few months compared to the last four years.

      You will also find links to radiation cloud evens that have occurred in Australia, and New Zealand during January, February and March 2012 on this page.

      I have no data for the west coast of Australia.

      http://sccc.org.au/archives/2630


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    • Misitu

      Let's just say "bioaccumulation" and "fish".


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  • BRICS

    Knew it was hopeless, I'm stuck mostly cause of debts. Also woke up with a sore throat this morning, hope it's just a flu bug but really who knows. Hope I can find the time to see most of my family before time runs out. God forgive us all :'(


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    • BRICS,
      Not knowing your location, I would say, so many of us are better off then our friends in Japan ! I would say only the top % will make it out of there !


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      • jump-ball jump-ball

        As you may know XDR, geneticists claim that DNA analysis reveals that earth's population was once reduced, by some type of cataclysm or another, to less than 2000 people.

        Imagine what a prolonged, agonizing, threatening period of recovery that would have been, and let's hope history isn't going to repeat itself, or even rhyme.


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    • CB CB

      All is not lost Bricks! When we have you here, yes get to your family and make peace. The lord is my Shepard, I shall not want. God maketh me to lye in fields of green pastures.
      Step up your hopeless BS.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Why wait for a collapse? People with Geiger Counters have readings of radiation in the US.


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  • jec jec

    For those of us older people, its not the fear for self, its the fear for our children, their children and our humanity.


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    • richard richard

      With all due respeect, I see a lot of pining over humanity and very little empathy for the flora and fauna and the future of it all.

      I saw the word ecocide used. I think that's appropriate and personally I'd like to see laws based on the destruction of environment – which I'm sure there are, but after more then a year, not one official has been brought before a tribunal.

      What I'm trying to say is 'Crimes against humanity' doesn't cut far enough..

      Is there 'Crimes against Life Itself' ? We only have one planet with Life.


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      • Whoopie Whoopie

        Spot on richard. Life itself will be effected for years to come, with death and destruction coming to all forms of living things.


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        • "with death and destruction coming to all forms of living things." … going, going, …
          http://members.beforeitsnews.com/stories/by/0000000000004882


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          • richard richard

            look, i hear you on the gravity of the matter.

            and I know i've been sometimes overwhelmed by how serious this could (or has already) turn.

            when I try to raise it with other non-enenewsers it's close to the proverbial pounding head on wall thing.

            and, with my amateur assumptions, i blatted out a figure of 5 years till trouble may be obvious. it was quickly scoffed at.

            just being devil's advocate – are we being to quick to lean to the 'end of the world' kinda thinking .. ?

            just saying.. that's all. for me, i try to take a step back to see if i'm being over dramatic. in some ways it gives the drama some rest.

            i'd like to be able to suggest to others to take a closer look, but i need smaller, bite size chunks for them to hear.. not ELE.

            sorry, just a rant really.. trying to find a balance after watching this saga unfold for over a year.


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            • Whoopie Whoopie

              I dont think your being over dramatic. I have friends online who have degrees who are saying the same thing.
              THIS IS AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE CATASTROPHIC FOR ALL LIVING THINGS. :(


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              • Whoopie Whoopie

                OMFG! Look at what just came through!
                NOAA Study: Radiation From Fukushima Very Dilluted, Seafood Safe http://ow.ly/1JQZHz
                NOAA?!!? WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US!?!?!
                WE OUGHT TO STUFF THEIR EMAIL BOX FULL!!!


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                • The Radiation Warnings You Won’t Get from the Mainstream Propaganda Machine

                  The mainstream media and the federal government will soon have the blood of the world on it’s hands.

                  Radiation from the Fukushima Nuclear Plant disaster in Japan is now actively in the ecosystem all along the North American west coast… even the sea weed is now radiated. The Vancouver Sun (http://enenews.com/vancouver-seaweed-almost-400-above-international-standard-for-iodine-131-in-food-by-march-28-levels-increasing) reported one year ago that the seaweed tested from waters off the coast of British Columbia were 4 times the amount considered safe. No further test results were released after the initial report.

                  The governments of the United States and Canada are not conducting tests for radioactivity – at least not to the knowledge of the public. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has agreed to continue purchasing seafood from Japan, despite the fact that the food is not being tested for radioactive contamination. Last November, independent testing in Japan showed 65 per cent of the catches tested positive for cesium (a radioactive material). Instead of refusing to purchase the poisoned fish, food safety agencies in both the United States and Canada have simply raised the “acceptable level of radiation.” We can’t go offending the Japanese after promising to buy their tainted goods, now can we? …

                  http://www.prisonplanet


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            • Radio VicFromOregon

              Lots will live, as lots have lived through all the radiation releases since the first atomic bomb test and the thousand explosions since, and lots will die, mostly after several years of exposure. Life adapts, changes, some of it thrives in this adversity. But, no question that there will be unnecessary suffering, lots of painful diseases, many mutations, and early deaths of all life forms, especially the longer lived since low dose radiation is a slow actor and damage accumulates over time. Areas close to Fukushima will accumulate more radiation and will become uninhabitable for eons by many life forms while looking perfectly livable. How will we warn people and animals away from those areas for thousands of years? The worst case scenarios are almost easier to contemplate because, then, well, there's really nothing to do. We will all suffer and die. Which, of course, we all do anyway, but usually from something else. But, i think that the more realistic outcome will be healthy people doing or not doing for the sick and injured from this disaster, as they choose. It will be a moral challenge. Will resources be given to help radiation poisoned people or will we let them suffer off somewhere hidden from public view? If Chernobyl is any indication, we have much work to do besides freaking out, though, clearly freaking out is an option. I recommend what you are already feeling – find the balance, create alternatives to help yourself and others, take calcium, hope.


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      • Arizonan Arizonan

        Yes, not only humanity is affected, because this is an ongoing horrific crime against all living beings.


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      • Exactly we have risen to the position of being responsible for all the fine animals of the planet, and we are doing a lousy job. Ocean so polluted that dolphins commit suicide on the beach, just like a monk immoliation.


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  • killedbydeath

    will say it again….surely it's a question of 'when' not 'if'


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Here it comes!
    Time-lapse model: how polluted the ocean Fukushima radioactive
    Published on 4th April 2012
    http://www.klima-wandel.com/2012/04/04/zeitraffer-modell-wie-fukushima-den-ozean-radioaktiv-verseucht/
    I'm sending this map to my Official today. :(


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  • truthseek truthseek

    …W.O.W… What we know and what we already know we know.
    It is most striking to read the views and words of people here
    that I have come to know as firm voices of reason, speak
    with such a tone, of near despair over this…

    Judging from the images of demolished building 4,
    I have long held the grave danger to be in our midst.
    Already. We all know how dire this really is…
    But what can we do?

    I have long built and guarded my immunity
    with healthy practices and awareness…
    Influenza, Botulism, Ebola, stachybotris
    I sort of have a plan (a defense) for.

    The direct assault of radiation, I do not.
    This poison is all over… As despersion
    dusts the planet .slowly.


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  • jackassrig

    The SFP weighs 3.2 million pounds. The center of gravity is the somewhere close to the intersection of the symmetric planes. As long as the weight of the SFP passes through the center of gravity (CG), there is no overturning moment. The building is level. The #4 building has a list. Now suppose the downward weight of the SFP shifts away from the CG along the x axis say (1) foot. This creates an overturning moment of 3.2 million ft-lbs an enormous number. The overturning moment causes the structure to deflect. This shifts the weight away from the CG say to 1.5 feet. This increases the overturning moment which causes additional deflection. So it goes until the overturning moment becomes so great the SFP falls into the basement. It is important that TEPCO stop the list of the building. Shoring the SFP is IMHO not going to help because the jacks are on the foundation of the building. The CG will continue to shift along some axis causing the overturning moment to increase.


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    • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

      @jackassrig:
      Can you clarify your idea a bit more?

      Not all of the weight is on just one side of CG, so I don't
      follow how all of the weight can be part of the moment.

      I must say that you have hit on something here that I have not seen presented yet.


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    • HoTaters

      Would you please explain the "moment" in layman's terms? I gather you're using that as a physics/engineering term.


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  • markww markww

    I do not worry about trolls they can go back under their bridge and collect their tolls. The Truth will set them and everyone else free.

    Mark


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    • Whoopie Whoopie

      @mark THE TRUTH? "You cant handle the Truth" Jack Nicholson A Few Good Men = Do NOT post AT HP. They are sick people who never admit "We've Got A Problem Houston!!"


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      • StillJill StillJill

        Good for you Whoopie!

        You tried to wake them up,….but like you so wisely said the other morning,.."Go back to sleep!"

        "There are NONE so blind as those that WILL NOT see"-The Holy Writ


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  • many moons

    It takes less than a week for fallout from Fuku to arrive in Boston. When building 4 collaspses we won't know about it right away…it will be kept a secret for at least 4,5 6 days perhaps a month or more-live web cam will be previous or out of commision. By the time the Caldicott family should have evacuated it will be too late. Even if she has excellent connections giving her inside info, the info may not arrive before the radiation.


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    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Good point. Scary scenario but I'm afraid your right. Too little too late type of situation. Wonder if Helen has like you say, insider info. I imagine she gets news much quicker than most, dont you think?


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    • Fukushima Day 389 April Fool's Day "EPA cares about You", Radiation facts with Dr Helen Caldicott

      Helen Caldicott, the Australia-born American physician and anti-nuclear activist of the late 1970s and early 1980s, was a practitioner of paediatrics at the Children's Hospital Medical Center in Boston, U.S. A leading critic of nuclear technology and armament industries, she tried to conscientise the world through her almost solitary protest writings and TV and radio appearances against the dangers of nuclear technology for the environment. …

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT8YsLKjHp0


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    • Apr 24, 2011 Japan now admits Fukushima at 154 trillion Bq's/Day and West coast Radiation forecast,Part1

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2wLbwuJeMM&feature=player_detailpage


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    • americancommntr

      If we start having the most wild and crazy jet stream flagellations, keeping consistently way to the north, and or pinching off and flinging pieces way south or even southwest, these may be tell tale signs.

      Honestly, how do we even know it hasn't happened already and this is just another manipulative misleading news story?


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      • HoTaters

        Well, IMHO something crazy is already going on. Today there were black clouds which just seemed to appear out of nowhere here. Not a thunderhead, just a big, low lying mass of black clouds. Out of the black clouds rain was streaming. All around was sunshine and a few white cumulous clouds. About 5PM it hailed here.

        Can anyone explain why you'd have a big, black mass of clouds sitting all by itself on the middle of a sunny day, dumping rain over an area about 4 miles in diameter — NOT a thunderstorm?

        25 miles east of Napa, California, in Fairfield, CA.


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  • glowing wood

    Hey xdrfox
    The death toll on the wild life is staggering. Do you have any idea what the rate was like prior to 3/11. Has the increase been 10 fold, 100 fold? We never hear about any of this in the MSM. I find this is awful and likely what is in store for all of us down the road. No where to run, no where to hide!


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    • glowing wood,
      I was watching it even prior GOM BP Oil Gusher, it was nowhere near the deaths as since 3/11. It would be very hard to and much work to reconstruct a time period with articles ! I decided to start after the Gusher because of wild life deaths in the Gulf and beyond via Gulf stream and currents up the east coast and beyond ! Going to "bottom of my list" on stories by xdrfox (http://members.beforeitsnews.com/stories/by/0000000000004882) you can see the articles of deaths on the east coast I wrote and did photos and videos of locally prior to 3/11 !

      : (


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      • richard richard

        you've put in a lot of hard work following up and blogging this news.

        the whole issue can really turn my stomach and heart at the same time.

        what to do ? .. where's it going ? where will it end ?

        is it really so out of control ? that's one thing that keeps hitting me.. is this all a really bad dream?

        if it's all going this bad, and the vast mass of humanity doesn't care, then there simply is little chance .. and the bulk of humanity may not deserve .. to survive through it all.

        We, as civilised humans and our technology, think we are above and independent of all other life forms. But should our technology fail and the population thins and the food suppyly diminishes – our house of cards may collapse beneath us. That could level the playing field.

        Something really needs to shift in the overall consciousness of the population – but you know.. for me, i don't think it's going to happen.

        wow, that turned into a rant, wanted to get that off my chest.

        Smile everybody now.


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  • shiverca shiverca

    I'm happy I don't have Children now more than ever.

    Still I can't see why they can't support the structures even by pouring concrete under it to make a pillar of support.

    Have they even started building a containment wall around the plant? I didn't hear anything about that either.

    This needs a WOLRD WIDE EFFORT to fix, why the hell this isn't on the news regularly pisses me off as everyone is passive because of lack of facts about how devastating this could be worldwide


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  • CaptD CaptD

    TEPCO is NOW Putting Life on Earth at RISK…

    If the SFP (Spent Fuel Pool) in #4 collapses or fails to be kept cool FOR ANY REASON, in a very short time, all the fuel rods in it will destroy themselves by becoming a huge molten mass. This new radioactive mass will make the ENTIRE Fukushima complex (including reactors #5 and #6 (and their SFP's) into not only the Worlds biggest nuclear disaster but it will be so radioactive that the entire complex will be off limits to humans! This new uncontrollable molten mass will spew so much radioactivity (and keep doing so for the rest of our lives) that it will change life as we know it, because it will be spread Globally by the jet stream and or Ocean currents.

    BTW: If you have not seen the 1959 movie "On the Beach" you should, it describes a very similar situation…

    TEPCO MUST DO 3 THINGS ASAP TO PREVENT THIS:

    1. TEPCO should be filling the entire #4 building with concrete ASAP in order to create a "Seismic Vessel" to completely encapsulate the SFP making it impossible for it to collapse, because the new "Seismic Vessel" would be one gigantic unit…

    2. TEPCO should have no less than 4 backup generators and 4 pumps that EACH could provide ENOUGH emergency power and water should ANYTHING happen to prevent the normal pumps from functioning. Note this includes protecting all the fuel, storage tanks, piping and controls so that it would make these pumps and their generators completely BOMB PROOF so nothing…


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    • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

      "On The Beach"
      One of my all time favorites!!!!
      It was superb dystopian sci-fi for it's day.
      And still is.

      One more for the list:
      "Dr. Stangelove"
      One of the few DVDs I own.


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    • CaptD CaptD

      Con't.

      3. TEPCO should build and then fill enough tanks to provide standby cooling freshwater for at least one week, so that no matter what happens, the #4 SFP will be kept cool without using seawater, (which could serve as another backup source of water) if the freshwater proved to not be enough for some unknown reason!


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        CaptD, and yet, they only shore up the trellis a little. I remember reading a post not long ago from a blogger here that suggested a large enough quake could dump the fuel rods ito the ocean. Made me wonder if that isn't a back up plan for TEPCO. Suicide workers bulldozing broken fuel rods into the Pacific ocean. It would actually make a sick sort of sense considering the alternative to leaving it in open air to fission and burn. What would you think it would take to get a petition sent to TEPCO via the media from engineers who support your ideas?


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  • vital1 vital1

    Ultimately whether this disaster happened or not, it is all about living everyday to the full. Respecting your follow man, and every living creature on the planet.

    Focus on maintaining your health and well being. Numerous enenews users have provided a great deal of very positive information here that can help you and your family live a very happy healthy life no mater what happens. Make use of it!

    Here are a couple of free books that have information on how to maximize you personal resources. These techniques when used with the other information provided in the enenews forums can help a great deal.

    http://technologypals.com.au/free-books


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    • Anthony Anthony

      Awesome – I think that is the worthwhile path through this. No matter where you are.

      Ultimately.


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    • vital1 vital1

      The food supplement whey, mentioned in the Stress Management book is a dairy product. It could possibly be a contaminated item now depending on where it is produced. You could substituted it with Chlorella, or Spirulina instead. Chlorella, and Spirulina appear to be excellent for helping to eliminate radioactive toxins from the body. If you have them in powder form mix to taste in fruit juice.

      Also check out what country the Chlorella or Spirulina brand you intend to purchase comes from before purchasing. A lot of Chlorella, and Spirulina is being produced in Japan. Maybe safe coming from Southern Japan but who knows?


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  • Radio VicFromOregon

    Thank you, vital1!


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