Published: July 8th, 2012 at 3:40 am ET
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Helen Caldicott – Fukushima & Nuclear Energy
Red Ice Radio
July 3, 2012
At ~11:00 in
Dr. Helen Caldicott: In Japan you come up with a startling statistic, 2.5 to 3 million in the next 25 years dying. And I don’t think that’s beyond the realm of possibility. So we’re talking about a disaster of unbound proportions.
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Published: July 8th, 2012 at 3:40 am ET
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People will die from this disaster, but will they admit to the real cause of their death?
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Death by slow agony, when electricity can be generated safely. Makes no sense.
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Hi TheBigPicture
No it doesn't make sense.
All for the misplaced Love that they have to Greed.
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Well said. Why are we messing with this stuff when safer, cleaner, cheaper, better has not been maximized, not even close?
Like you said makes no sense.
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Serious question? Ahhh…weapons grade plutonium? 'Civilian' nuclear power' is the cover story for taxpayers, who ultimately foot the incalculable cost…
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Wow! That is so well said I'm reposting it on my facebook wall. Thanks!
http://facebook.com/metamind
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It's what happens when a finance minister is put in charge, the yen and hula dancers are most important issues. The voice of the populace is way down the list. Noda has committed political suicide, he just doesn't know it yet.
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As always Helen Caldicott administers a dose of medical/biological reality to the situation.
As an aside, just noticed the additional 'Submit Comment' guidelines below the comments window. Not sure if I'm amused or outraged to see the words 'NO RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION WHATSOEVER', when the main topic for discussion has to be one of the most provocative for soul searching in internet history.
Is it still ok for me to smoke when I visit this site?
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We've got our reasons for no religious stuff here, which if you had been here earlier, you would be aware of. Suffice to say, the decision was made for good reasons, and was necessary for the site.
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Hi charlie3, actually I've been dropping in here more or less daily since a few weeks after the event, but in recent months have opted to mainly 'listen' rather than 'speak'. I'm well aware of the problems created by free speech. Are you aware of the problems created by the loss of free speech?
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Hi Steven, this is not an issue of loss of free speech, but just an issue of where certain speech is placed.
Admin's decision is shown in the list below the reply box, and anyone who wants to indulge in religious discussion is FREE, COMPLETELY FREE, to do it elsewhere in a place suitable to himself and his listeners.
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This is a man made problem and nothing to do with divine powers, that is free speech some believe and others not and should be kept in one,s own house, more power to you.
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All the Helen and Arnie bashing. Sad. They have a much larger audience than us here on Enenews, and it's not their job to spread chaos. They both do walk a fine line, and present the boundaries of what they are allowed to.
We here know what's really going on. We want the truth – the whole truth. Not what's prepackaged for the mostly ignorant public, who might be better off not knowing anyway. Who's to say.
This is an ELE in slow motion. It doesn't matter how far down the coriums have gone. It doesn't matter exactly how many tons of radioactive water go into the Pacific Ocean every hour. It's all massive, and far too late to do anything about it. It's only going to get worse. Tens of billions of lethal doses? Trillions of lethal doses? When does it not matter anymore? We know the outcome.
Rad readings are nice to know, but since every NPP operator will use Fukushima as an excuse to ignore safety procedures, and vent and expose at will, coupled with a keen government desire to keep all this under wraps, the readings will always be suspect. High, low or otherwise. Ocean disposal of nuclear waste is now the standard.
Billions upon billions of humans, and billions upon billions of other species, are going to die from radiation induced diseases, whether from Fukushima or others. Yes, the radiation will kill off any chance of maintaining the other reactors in Japan, and we will see via camera what happens when NPPs are abandoned. Until the cameras go dark.
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Our government has failed us completely. Personally, I've voted third party – and anti-nuke – since the '70's. None of my choices of elected representation are responsible for any of this. I would suggest looking back at who you voted for, and see what responsibility you might bear. And going forward – if our votes mean anything anymore – vote accordingly.
Otherwise, it's going to be a long, slow march to extinction. All the world leaders know it, and you can bet they are going to maximize their comfort before they ever give the rest of us any thought.
Hug your loved ones, help where you can. Our time is shorter by the day.
To paraphrase an old Catholic – "Kill them all, and let G-d sort them out". On a global scale.
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"One of the few things that we do know – for certain – about the future is that actions have consequences. In the world studied by the physical sciences of inanimate matter, it is possible to predict the future with certainty. That is because the entities being studied ARE inanimate. They have no power to initiate an action so they have no power to vary their reaction to a force which is applied to them." – Bill Buckler
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I watched *When the levees broke* by Spike Lee yesterday and if Katrina's governmental crisis response is what's in store for our fuku-future, we are in heaps of trouble.
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Anthony, Our government is well aware of the crisis in Japan and the coming disaster to the Northern Hemisphere and the world. They knew what happened on 03/14/11 and Arnie Gunderson has stated that he was told that the US government has downplayed the dangers to our nation of the meltdowns of Fukushima. The question should not be what action will be taken; but, WHY the government has chosen to leave our citizenry ignorant? BTW, Katrina gave the opportunity to build on the gulf, hotels and casinos. In SriLanka, the tsunami gave business the same opportunity to build expensive hotels. Greed is the only response to disaster.
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TiS, it looks like you and I have voted the same way and for the same length of time — and are proud of it. We can sleep at night knowing we didn't settle for the lesser of two evils. A candidate's energy stance has always been one of the major things I consider when I prepare to vote. Fortunately, I have that choice in New Mexico in the coming national elections (if we aren't all hiding out from the neverending "gifts" from Fukushima and other corporations by that time).
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Helen, Arnie and several others on this site are highly qualified, some with PHD,s in the field, others work in nuclear plants, they are our best source of information and understanding, they rely on the same source of information we do, but are in a far better position to analyze and they would be the first to tell you that they do not always get it right, especially with the limited data that they are receiving.
These people care, Arnie helped build these death machines and probable has a guilty conscious and will live with that to the end of his days, but he has seen the light.
Helen is a star in my eyes, she has been shunned by her fellow academics, but still stand proud, gold star for you my dear.
I keep going back to our inherent rights of mankind and first and foremost is the right to a safe environment to live and prosper and I believe this is the way to rid the world of nuclear facilities, through the courts ( Hauge?)
How could a judge not agree with no outside influences
Their must be someone out their to finance us, a bill gates any body spoke with Neil Young a celebrity, a sports star, start a lottery to raise money.
The radical in me says go to rental facility, rent cut off saws, go to your locale nuclear plant and bring down the transmission towers, in Japan if they try to restart cut them transmission towers down, blow them up.
Desperate times require desperate measures, long live the revolution, I will never give up.
I want to live long and prosper,
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Weeman, please do not cut off their off-site power, or you will prevent the Death Machines from being cooled, and thereby initiate further meltdowns.
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Off course not, but I get angrier by the day and I feel we need to get more pro active, our enemy is far more ruthless, I am no brain surgeon but I know we should not be playing with things that we do not fully understand, comprehend or control.
One large magnetic storm will put every nuclear reactor in world into meltdown it can and will happen again as in 1700 century?
It scares me and should scare you.
Please guide me, give me direction.
I will not let it rest.
We are the majority.
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*Sigh* –having to deal with religious hammerheads by banning all such discussion –is like "avoiding a headache by cutting off your head". No: I'm not trying to change EneNews policy on that –just bemoaning that it's necessary –when spirituality is central to our existence –and all we really have to cope with our collective and individual mortality.
* In that vein, I offer this link:
> http://webpages.charter.net/123goto/tct.htm#plan-b
–and a warm {{hug}}.
Craig
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One of the great things about the Internet is that if one can't find a site on which to chat about what one likes, one can start ones own site and set and enforce the rules for it. Those who don't like this site can start their own and more power to 'em.
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The less rules the better. We started off with no rules for months, but I was spending too much time dealing with various issues.
You two got me thinking and I updated the 'rules' so religious discussion is ok in the OT non-nuclear forum.
"UPDATE: 1) NO RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION WHATSOEVER >> Except in the off-topic discussion thread for non-nuclear issues."
What do you think everyone?
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Hi Admin,
I think it is a good move. I don't think that removing religious discussion has improved Enenews. People can't seem to stop making religious references anyway, even those who complained about it most.
I would love it if you let the religion rule fade away altogether, but you kept "NO PERSONAL ATTACKS WHATSOEVER."
Thanks,
NoNukes
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I read somewhere that there is 'an old Chinese saying' to the effect that 'It is an immoral act to try to teach someone who does not want to be taught.' I heartily agree, and after have been preached at and to countless times, mostly by Christians – often by very persistent Christians who just don't know when to 'give it a rest,' it frankly pushes my buttons to have to read/listen to any of that.
The religious talk can tend to dominate threads; so I certainly think that if it is allowed here, it should be only in a General Discussion or Religious Matters Discussion thread.
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I'm with bleep. Please don't bring back the religious stuff. I've been enjoying enenews every since it's been banned.
I've argued strongly that it's not a science and doesn't belong on a science / research thread. Not in any degree. Not in another thread even, because it still turn up in the side bars.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've watched a vast improvement in the technical discussions on these threads, in fact, I'd like to see someone deny it.
Please don't return it. Next thing there'll be discrimination again. It's simply not science.
On the other hand, discussing ethical and moral issues can still occur, I've them as well and can appreciate them. But there is a line, hard to define, but there is one.
I say stick with enenews's current policy because it really does work and this site has been far better because of that policy. Simple as that.
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The Founding Fathers of our country said it, as they said so many things, very well – religion is a metaphysical subject, meaning that its varied and often conflicting dogmas/belief systems are incapable of being empirically verified – proven or dis-proven.
As such, religious beliefs/dogmas have no place, as Richard points out, on a website such as this one which is concerned with facts and theories that can be empirically tested.
The Founding Fathers believed in religious freedom, and so do I – so probably do we all – but they pointed out that religion is a private matter, a matter of beliefs that can not be proven/dis-proven – and on a website such as this one, it is clearly off-topic. Not only that, it is divisive, gets people out of 'rational mode' and into 'emotional mode' and is a real 'button-pusher.'
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thisthisthisthisthisthisthisthis.
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Well, bleep_hits_blades, it pushes my buttons when people promote pro-nuke politicians here like Ron Paul, and when they make sexist references like to "blonde moments," and when they talk about the Japanese people as a whole in a demeaning way, etc., etc., if Admin censored all the topics that push my buttons, the list would take up the whole front page.
I am supposed to be a practicing atheist, but most people aren't, and it is virtually impossible for some to censor themselves in that way, so they will stop coming here, and Enenews will loose out on their voices. This is a real loss.
I would also like a rule that stated everyone had to post 100 discreet links to new information on the subject of Fukushima, or nuclear and alternative energy in general, before they are allowed to complain and criticize other's posts. It never seems to be the people who do the most work gathering information who complain about others, but those who do the least amount of labor bringing relevant information to the comments section. Just a suggestion.
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Don't just love it when people compare apples and oranges and come up bananas.
I so loved that quote the other day "I know there is justice in the world, because man can justify anything", Benjamin Franklin I think it was attributed to.
Obfuscation by clutter. We've been learning from the professionals.
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Thank you couldn't have said it better.
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NoNukes,
Ron Paul will end gov subsidies for nuclear power.
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His track record does not promote confidence in any promise to remove subsidies:
"Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies.
Creating Long-term Energy Alternatives for the Nation (CLEAN) Act
Title I: Ending Subsidies for Big Oil Act–denying a deduction for income attributable to domestic production of oil, natural gas, or their related primary products….
Title II: Royalty Relief for American Consumers Act–to incorporate specified price thresholds for royalties on oil & gas leases in the Gulf of Mexico….
Proponents support voting YES because:
This legislation seeks to end the unwarranted tax breaks & subsidies which have been lavished on Big Oil over the last several years, at a time of record prices at the gas pump and record oil industry profits. Big Oil is hitting the American taxpayer not once, not twice, but three times…."
http://www.issues2000.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Energy_+_Oil.htm
His work as a PR man for the nuclear industry is clear:
Rep. Ron Paul: Reaction to nuclear crisis 'overblown'
"I’m scared to death they are going to quit building nuclear power plants"
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/149843-rep-ron-paul-reaction-to-nuclear-crisis-overblown
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That bill is nothing more than a tax on our domestic oil.
The energy market is hampered and controlled absolute by bureaucrats and central planners in Washington. This is our problem.
Whether he thinks Nuclear power is great or not, his obligations to the free market and property rights under the constitution is the platform and his life commitment.
Ask his support base what they think about nuclear power. I've been onboard since 1988. The majority of us are strongly against. This cannot be said for any other candidates support base.
With no subsidies, federal energy department or EPA to hide behind the Nuclear power industry would have to stand alone with no choice but to implement safer designs that can be insured or simply die.
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I'm not voting for any person who says that the reaction to Fukushima is "overblown," because he is a liar.
I'm not voting for any person who says, "I’m scared to death they are going to quit building nuclear power plants," because he is insane.
Bottom line: Paul, Romney and Obama are all shameless shills for the nuclear industry.
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All of us have been lied to about nuclear.
Even the congressman.
My angle is different but I am with you until the end to stop the nuclear industry.
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I personally see no need for religious discussion on a science-based forum, but if there is a clamor for such discussion, I definitely feel it should be on either the "off-topic," thread or on a thread dedicated to such discussion.
I would like to add that I use this site everyday as a resource for the latest news on nuclear issues, although, I don't often comment.
Thank you for your consideration, admin.
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Why are you all still discussing it then?
Admin said move it to OT.
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Tp is following the sub thread. Context would be lost at this stage otherwise.
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+1
I have much preferred this site without religion in the discussions. IMO it just adds extra clutter to the main points of interest and is a real turn-off for me.
Up until recently I was a moderator on another type of forum where I found that religion was being brought into the other topics there and it so often caused arguments to break out – it was best avoided. I believe it has no place on a forum such as this. IMVHO that is.
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Oh no. Please don't, Admin.
Toooo distracting.
Not fond of dinosaur discussions….
It's your site and you do as you please, but thanks for asking our opinion!
*cheers
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The irony is that we do not know the color of anyone's skin on this site, whether they are male or female, where they live or their nationality or there religious preferences & we get along for the most part.
And yet religious discussion brought into this mix WILL cause fights & attacks against those with different views. And that is becasue this is such a touchy issue where in my opinion everyone is Not always right. And these are fights that will cause even friends to *hate each other. And isn't that ironic.
Wars continue to be fought because of it until the end of time.
I also see an opening being used by worse than trolls..those who will not stop until real harm has been caused by allowing religious discussions here. Which will turn people away.
I truly appreciate Admins position & the balancing act. But this is one site that is literally life changing…both good & bad. We get to learn the truth, we also thanks to the kindness of strangers are given knowledge to mitigate at least some of the dangers. We also have a place where we can gather strength from each other, vent & debate the issues. And learn that we are not alone in our fight for a better world.
Admin please do Not risk all of that just so some members can end up fighting about religion.
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I am a very casual person,. so Someone saying I pray that the Japanese children get out of Japan, does not qualify as a reason for a ban. The person however who attacked someone for using the word pray is who I would ban. So As an an Admin in a Facebook group I let the small stuff slide & watch for those that setup comments to get people angry or those that attack someone over a simple comment.
There are no absolutes in human behavior so maybe just a *slight relaxing of the rule may balance things abit. But Please still no special area just for discussions for the reasons I state above.
Admin thank you for providing this site & for even asking our opinions about this issue.
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Pardon but, you are till continuing the converation ,and Admin said to move it to OT. It cancelled itself out a soon a it started.
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I think it's a nice compromise. Now if everyone could just play nice and not bash what others believe or not believe.
There are many different beliefs out there. We don't have to agree, but it's not nice putting other believes down or hassle them. If you can't say something nice then zip it.
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Restraint WindorSolarPlease is needed. Advice I had to give to on the facebook group. When rage or hurt gets you so upset that you feel you just have to respond or comment STOP. Grab a piece of paper, or open a blank Word document on your computer..Get it out pound that keyboard or break that pencil. Then walk away & do something completely different. Later when you read what you wrote you may still agree with it all, but no longer feel the need to put All of it on-line. You may still rant, but now you have given yourself time & can limit what you post. You can also delete that document permanently too or save it, whatever. But you have had a chance to get that initial rage or hurt out, but for your eyes only. So tempering your remarks allows you to vent but not go overboard.
And other times it is even better if you simply turn away …nothing to see here… move along. ONLY you can allow someone else to push Your buttons.
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Hi MaidenHeaven
Sometimes you have to shake it off, and then it won't harm you.
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I agree. Lets be nice to each other, and accepting of each others perspective.
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Hi Ene. I think that's a good compromise. I'm not really into religious discussion though.
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Spirit is something different…..
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It's just a compromise. Nothing good in it.
Why backtrack from a good policy just because one person makes one I'll informed comment at the start of a thread, crazy.
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So religion is back – that didn't take long.
http://camelphotos.com/tales_nose.html
To borrow a line from the feminist movement – an Energy News site needs religious discussion like a fish needs a bicycle.
None for me, thanks.
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I thought we were talking about Helen Caldicott. This is a very impressive individual.
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My reply was to Admin's question "What do you think everyone?".
Note indentation to track subthreads.
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Hi Everyone,
Until I find a way to block comments from the Non-Nuclear issues thread from showing in the 'Recent Comments' section in the sidebar, OT religious comments will still be against the rules.
This site has nothing to do with religion, but I have gotten many requests to open a place to discuss these matters. I want to find a solution, but I don't want it to distract from the Energy info on this site in any way.
Right now I am using the BWP Recent Comment plugin, and I can't block comments from a specific thread from showing up in the list. Anyone have a suggestion?
This way, ANY off-topic discussion will truly be seen only in the OT thread… which will actually enhance the focus on energy issues… OT comments will no longer be on the list of the 10 most recent comments seen in the sidebar of every page.
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Well , you are in an ironic position to do what is best for the people. You are very fair allowing people to express alternate views.It's in a forum specifically designed for that. More power to you.
Thank you for a great informative site and for and from all of the contributers!!!
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Kudos to you Enenews Admin for working thru all the issues we can manage to throw at you.
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Thank you. I do like seeing the OT summary in the comments archive though.
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Richard, a while back one person habitually posted to the OT thread every minute or so, causing the comment summary headings for the whole site to rush by in a blur. He was eventually banned for other reasons.
Something similar would probably happen if religious material started appearing in volume, which is likely because the opening is perfect for trolling as well as for proselytizers of all stripes.
To hamstring this site, all the bad guys have to do is make lots of noise and diversions – an irony obvious in this "Caldicott thread", where one early poster has got us running around like ants with a single provocational reference to religion.
Anyway, I'm thinking the OT summary with religious posts aplenty would not be the OT summary you like seeing now.
Admin is between a rock and a hard place.
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Ants nests. Jelly fish. Animal farm
I was thinking earlier, it's like the farmer and his chicken house, the chickens don't see it as his
Poor admin, cheers to your good work.
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Please don't bring religious discussion back. At the most, if you must, let them discuss religion in a separate thread away from oterh posters.
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The web is full of sites where people can talk about religion, but it is not full of sites where people can talk about nuclear energy and the other things we see at ENENews. The people who come here include a number who are very smart, very knowledgeable, or very wise, possibly all three. It is a unique site where people can learn, and I must say, I have learned some important things here.
I am a religious person, but I believe we are here for a reason that has to do with physical, Earthly reality. Focusing on religion when we have to focus on the other things presented to us to do distracts us from the whole purpose of the Earth. I would object to this site being overrun with people supporting even my own religion.
I think it is nice that the people who want to talk of such things have a thread where they can do it. I can easily support the ban elsewhere.
Perhaps you could a thread specifically devoted to religion. Maybe you could have two; one could be for all recognized formal religions, and the other for the Nuclearists, so they could have a place where they can rant at each other in private.
Admin, I think you are doing fine.
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i know i'm teaming up with some very savvy people when i read the likes of GeoHarvey's comment. I'm sure I've said enough on this sub-thread, but I wanted to acknowledge some smart words.
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well said geoharvey
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Here here, my hat is off to you well put, make it so captain
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Hi Admin
"What do you think everyone?"
If presented with a choice, I'd prefer a Forum dedicated to anti-nuclear verbal/VISUAL art, not necessarily with comments.
Religious discussion is fine with me in the Off-topic Forum as long as dialogue remains respectful and pro-nuke shills don't sneak in under cover of religiosity.
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The comments put us in a think tank environment. I think we need productivity and not the stifling of proclamations. I will be happy to hear what you have to say, though.
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or-well's suggestion is a good one. i'll shutup now
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Thank you, Admin, for being so accommodating –of the several of us with similar laments –providing, of course (per your later comment), that you find a way to cloak any contributions which make spiritual reference from appearing in the global "recent comments" column. Perhaps our having to wear such "chador" –is an appropriate cross for us to bear –given the excesses of our religious sisters and brothers.
Peace, place and love,
Craig
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Sounds like a fair compromise
Either that or get those clowns at CERN to stop calling it 'The God Particle'.
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I agree no god partical, even the god partical has mass, so their for it to can be spit in half, it is endless, the universe is a big as it is small, no beginning no end. We can not comprehend.
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Religious believes have killed more people in the last century than Fukushima ever will,
your believes are a personnel thing and should be kept in ones own house,
this is man made situation and this site is dedicated to keeping us informed, as no one else is.
Please don't bring religion into discussion, that personnel and more power to you.
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Sorry, your first statement violates the website rules. You state your opinion and then stomp on anyone who would answer that. Completely unfair.
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You could maybe have a Religious/Metaphysical Discussion Thread…?
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As usual, you are violating the website rules.
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It's obvious you don't have anything to add to the nuclear discussion.
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If you examine Japan's coverup of what is really happening with the nuclear fallout then compare it to 3 Miles Island, you don't see much difference except in scale of the tragedies. Both governments lie their asses off about venting into the environment.
And with Japan consciously holding back projection maps of fallout where radioactive plumes traveled across the land in elongated directions and spotty patterns, not within a perfect circle starting from ground zero, leading to evacuees rushing into harms way as further from the plant disaster in not always the safe route but a deadly route must make those neglected and uninformed citizens expendable in the light of otherwise causing a panic.
Where does the profit and greed stop, when you kill off an entire island population making it a wasteland? Besides, the invisible death travels the world and knows no boundaries as background radiation levels continue to climb.
Guess there is not much money to be made in passive solar collection.
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The Energy of the Force is all around us and it has nothing to do with any man made deity.
WE all can utilize this Force and we are just way to distracted on purpose to understand such facts and realities.
She is absolutely correct about all the Nuclear consequences she discusses, since all medical journals support her premise and given arguments against the use of Nuclear Technology Applications.
If I shoot someone with a gun, I will go to jail and maybe for life, but if I kill a couple million people around the globe, I can return to my yacht and drink martinis. What is wrong with this picture?
How has the nuclear industry gotten away with poisoning the entire planet for the past 60 years?
Simply it was "conspiracy" at all the "top levels of government and science". Progress initiated scientific insanity being driven by fear, secrecy, unlimited funds, subsidies and pure greed, while promoting collusion which they utilized in the controlling of many uneducated populations, nothing more to it.
"Man Made Radiation Contamination" is invisible and that helped their cause that much more in fooling those they controlled for their own profit gains of the back of the same populations.
The planet is empty. The entire world's population can fit inside the sate of Texas and the entire population of the United States can fit inside New Hampshire. 70% of the world is covered in water, so there is nobody here Human wise! 30% of all species are now extinct…
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mob.media.corp.guv versus flora.fauna.Earth
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..and this is a direct result of man's actions. We are terraforming this planet and not in a good way.
Knowing the nature of radioactive isotopes, and their individual life spans and those new ones that are created by man, that have never ever been on this planet before, tells the story. This is the same exact thing that happened with CFC's, that were created for refrigeration, and this particular created molecule was not of this earth. Once again "Progress Driven Insanity" at its best.
Just because we can, does not mean that we should!
Now, since no one is here human wise and this is a very big planet the dispersion of these released radioactive isotopes around the globe is sporadic at best. John Wayne and his crew know best exactly what these radioactive isotope releases can do and cause inside the human body.
There is no more discussion that needs to take place and Japan and the Nuclear Industry has just killed several million more people worldwide. This is now a fact!
So should we tolerate this bull#hit anymore?
I recommend you use the Force at your disposal!
Do not take "No" for an answer!
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Hello,
We cannot advocate force as an answer…
But we all have to decide, to what lengths are we willing to go to SAVE THE EARTH??
My yet unborn grandchildren want to know:
Did we do ALL that we could???
My friends, Information is the answer, that and cramming it down the throats of those who refuse to hear over "american idol" etc……
They want to know???
Did we do ALL that we could???
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Well, maybe if you haven't used force then you haven't done all that you could.
I'm not advocating that you use force. I'm dropping hints though. Do hear the wise words of obe. Do be prepared to do what you think you shouldn't do, because there may not be an effective options.
Make sure you are working out/exercising for an hour everyday, get the force on your side in preparation, just in case all other endeavors fail. And it's good for you to workout
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Hello,
When they were ready to start the 3`rd reactor at the NPP where I worked, anti nuke 'radicals' shut the plant down..
How??
With 100 feet of cable, and a weight…
They threw it over the incoming power lines, shorting them out, and delaying startup for days…
[REMOVED]
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I only see the word 'delay' – that's not 'stopped'
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And, it's only one third of the problem. The other two parts are – stop uranium mining and deal with the deadly toxic eternity long waste.
(but I know you know that, it's just to complete the story for me)
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Shut them down, shut them all down and do it very quickly.
The sun is heating up and any "Carrington Event" will end up destroying most of our world, now that Nuclear Power Reactors are everywhere around the globe. They "all" need the electrical grid for operating their reactor cooling pumps.
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/
If we "Lose the Grid" we will have 454 burning radiation pits for hundreds of thousands of years.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-schiffman/solar-storms_b_1642583.html
We had all better start paying attention!
This has happened before and it "will" happen again!
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Hello,
Ah yes my Jedi friend, power plants cannot operate in a self sustaining mode.. And a massive EMP would F@#K them ALL up… Like STUXNET did Fukushitta..
BTW my friends, 454 aint even close, try about 1000 when you add the 600+ "military" reactors….
And they WILL kill "the grid"…
Mark my words..
Then they WILL tell us "terrorists" have released a biological agent..
Remember you heard that….
But that is OT….
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The Military want even more nuclear reactors:
Making U.S. Navy carrier groups and Army bases more self-sufficient and energy-efficient could mean turning to mobile nuclear reactors. The Pentagon's DARPA scientists have put forth the modest proposal of deploying miniature reactors to convert hydrogen and carbon into military jet fuel, as well as providing power, The Register reports.
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-03/mobile-nuclear-reactors-could-provide-power-and-jet-fuel-military-darpa-says
The U.S. Air Force has laid out a new vision for its energy science and technology needs over the next 15 years – a forecast that includes plans for space-based power stations and the prospective use of small nuclear reactors for new spacecraft.
http://www.space.com/14643-air-force-space-nuclear-reactors-power-beaming.html
What could possibly go wrong with that?
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The best thing I can see in the future is that I won't be here.
People, you've got to stop these utter friggin moronic evil nuke nutters. The US military mongrels are going to kill everyone, they're an abomination and crazy insane fruitcakes. People of the USA, these military nuts are on your taxes, stop the fools!
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Yes, I've seen a number that says over 1000 as well, thanks for the reminder w8r
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Stupid is what stupid does~or allows to be done by others in their name!
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1000..I had no Idea! Guess I better use the Force and improve my knowledge base, thanks.
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Dr. Helen Caldicott has too much hatred, contempt and cynicism in her to be considered credible and objective. She may have been considered one of the most influential woman of the 20th century, unfortunately all these years of directed hatred towards all things nuclear has made her incapable of expressing herself in a manner that respect people sensibilities. She should take example on Arnie Gundersen and learn not to let these things fuel her anger and hatred. As it stands now listening to her is like having a vampire suck all the life out of you.
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Have you seen through her eyes?
Do you know what she knows?
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jonjon – this opinion of Caldicott is really extreme – harsh. She has been a dedicated and committed anti-nuke activist for decades. I was actually shocked to read this extremely negative comment of yours. I have heard several interviews with her and I think your take on her is way out of line with reality. She takes a bleak view – but the facts of the past half century and more support a very dark view.
The world is being poisoned by toxic synthetics that will remain lethally toxic for millenia. Despite all the warning signals a distressed and poisoned biosphere is sending to us, mankind won't abandon this suicidal folly. We have hundreds of dangerous reactors, hundreds of nuclear weapons, many spent fuel pools packed to the gills with highly toxic SF rods for which the industry has NO plans concerning where and how to store them – safely – for the next several millenia… and what? – Caldicott is a 'pessimist' full of 'hatred, contempt, and cynicism' for pointing out what a powder keg of a situation this is for humankind to be sitting on – and ignoring – as it plans to continue on with 'more of the same'?
Where are the grounds for optimism here? Is it even POSSIBLE to overstate the extreme hazard and folly of this state of affairs?
Do you think just possibly you might be 'shooting the messenger'?
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agreed with your take on this
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Funny thing is that world is totally broke, and we will all soon be asked for more in taxes, that 99% of us do not have to give, so that these same people can continue to promote such folly, now under the guise of some military need, in a world that is one human species.
Lets all talk about just how Bat-Sh*t crazy mankind really is. Sadly we are all absolutely bonkers!
Cern makes an announcement about some elusive "god particle" and now these same people need billions of more dollars for a new replacement of their couple year old collider?
Just more "Bullsh*t" on a stick!
Bat-Sh*t crazy is what the entire world is now!
The general populations are paying for all of it, via heavy police controls and taxation, as they and their families and friends are now being exterminated, by the very same people feeding them all this Bullsh*t!
Now we are in real time, even talking about many future generations being exterminated too!
Where have all the wise men gone?
I have something I want to sell you.. too!
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jonjon,
Would you rather have Helen "suck the life" out of you or that there "Hot Invisible Radiation Contamination" that is now spewing all over the globe?
Helen is no threat to anybody, but that there "Hot Radiation Contamination" is a threat to everybody and also to all the other species that can't handle the exposures and that are now extinct.
Pick your poisons my friend. You have no choice with this Nuclear Industry..do you?
I hear hospice care really isn't that bad, because they keep the dying patients heavily medicated most of the time. That way you will never what gave you your specific invisible disease pattern that is killing you.
We just don't know how you got this cancer? But and Yet, we will take your and your families money by the bucket full, nice.
Only inside the "Bat-Sh*t Crazy" by design world that we all now live in.
Helen is telling you the truth. I know, strange isn't it. Someone is telling the truth. Shhh
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It's not because you think you know the truth it has to be spread around in a way that instill fear, hatred or sadness. That's what conspiracy theorists or even fortune tellers do so well. They're in that sense vampires. If you listen to Jeff Bezo's commencement speech ( @7m49s http://youtu.be/vBmavNoChZc?t=7m49s ) you'll understand what this all means in a very vivid way.
All that said, I never denied Dr Helen is probably right with her predictions, though I believe dietetics and lifestyle play a huge role in your body's resilience to radiation and radiation induced diseases.
Chris Busby also falls in the Helen category, but I still do respect what they do as it's extremely hard not to be fueled by anger and lose sight of other aspects of life when you do what they do. Then again, Arnie's style is a lot healthier, kinder and wiser.
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jonjon,
"It's not because you think you know the truth it has to be spread around in a way that instill fear, hatred or sadness"
That is precisely the rationale used by TPTB to lie and obfuscate, to turn off radiation monitoring, and to keep the sheeple in the dark, but complacently satisfied. "No worries. Nuclear radiation is harmless. The exposure limits were rediculously low and we need to raise them for your own good", etc.
The truth often hurts, but the lies hurt far more. Give me Helen Caldicott over any politician, any time!
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@ jojon, Ah, yes, it is important to be 'healthy, kind, and wise' in our 'attitudes' towards those who are killing millions of us, altering the human genome (and animal and plant genomes) forever, poisoning the planetary air, soil, water, and food supply, and … let me think … I know I forgot something… oh yes, 'conspiracy theorists' are way up there on the list of baddies – right? Phonies – like 'fortune tellers.' Good of you to point that out, lest we fail to make the connection.
But anyway, by all means, let us, as you say, remember to be 'healthy, kind, and wise' in our attitudes towards these despoilers of the planet.
For shame, Caldicott and Busby, you pessimists, for failing to do so! Get your values and priorities straight, fer cryin' out loud!
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Founding Fathers wanted religion to coexist with government and I think they did a good job in setting things up that way in the beginning. So should this site just as a matter of principle instead of ignoring faiths in general as faith issues are usually moral issues clashing with science.
Besides, you know how the song goes, "I can swear there ain't no heaven but pray there ain't no hell."
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The Force has no idea if there is a heaven or a hell and this Energy does not care either way.
The Force is only concerned with the present and the future energy fields yet to unfold.
There is "no one" coming down to save anyone or any of us "ever" from ourselves and actions.
If something or some type of alien race does show up to help solve any of our current problems, they will not be from this world and surely will be not become a manmade God.
We humans are on our own and have always been on our own.
Your governments will not protect any of you from what's about to unfold in the future.
They can't and never could protect any of us. They will only be preparing to protect their own governmental based interests. Makes no difference what religion pays them their enforced taxes.
Found this link inside the Force. Is it true?
http://www.thecrowhouse.com/calling.html
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Do *we have the skills required to run everything?
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By "we" I assume you mean the human race. The answer is "no" we don't have the skills or the knowledge. But we are so rich in hubris, that we can (and will) do anything!
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" Yes, the radiation will kill off any chance of maintaining the other reactors in Japan, and we will see via camera what happens when NPPs are abandoned. Until the cameras go dark."
this is really the only outcome at this point…
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Caldicott's prediction is less dire than I'd expected, thus comforting. Neither she nor Gundersen see it as anywhere near an ELE. Get as many USers as possible to keep calling Capitol Hill: (800) 826-3688 or (866) 338-1015
In addition to getting all nukes shut and waste into dry cask/glass, we need only a billion dollars to prevent melt downs from the Carrington effect:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-schiffman/solar-storms_b_1642583.html
Educate/lobby all Senators to pass the Solar Shield Bill HR 668. Until they pass it, occupy their offices, naked if necessary!
The powers that be would love it if we are influenced by naysayers to just give up and shut up. Instead, RISE UP!
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demo,
thomas.loc.gov indicates it is sitting in committee since…
2/11/2011:
Referred to the Committee on Energy and Commerce, and in addition to the Committee on the Budget, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.
No hearing scheduled? So, not marked-up??
Any idea what is happening or not happening as the case may be and why???
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Ooops..missed this:
2/18/2011:
Referred to the Subcommittee on Energy and Power.
Same questions still apply to subcommittee.
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Oh dear. I return to the forum to find the thread completely derailed by religious discussion.
I can only add my voice to the group asking to "keep the rules as they are".
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If you scroll near the top of the page you will see this. We were answering Admins question. No one did anything wrong.
ENENews
July 8, 2012 at 1:23 pm · Reply
The less rules the better. We started off with no rules for months, but I was spending too much time dealing with various issues.
You two got me thinking and I updated the 'rules' so religious discussion is explicitly ok in the OT non-nuclear forum.
"UPDATE: 1) NO RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION WHATSOEVER >> Except in the off-topic discussion thread for non-nuclear issues."
What do you think everyone?
Much further down see another post by Admin.
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go to OT thread for further comments on this topic pls.
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To get back on topic, isn't Caldicott's estimate of 3 million surprisingly low?
How does that square with the "ELE/potential ELE" that has been the focus of so much discussion?
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Yes, I think the projected death rate is very conservative. Consider the highest death rate reports from Chernobyl at 1 million. Fukushima has much more fuel and is a runaway train for nearly 16 months with no containment date in sight. Chernobyl fires were extinquished in 2 weeks and a dome constructed within 8 months. No water releases of toxins at Chernobyl.
Two million deaths in the next 25 years? I wouldn't be surprised if the death rate from radiation will be in the ten million range orf more in Japan and many more in other countries.
The nuclear industry will deny all the deaths because it is hard to prove currently. Medical advances could change that as nuclear corporations begin to lose their death grip on governments.
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"The nuclear industry will deny all the deaths"
Fortunately (?) the enormous increse in cancer-related deaths over the next 10-20 years will be undeniable evidence. Even more convincing for the near-term will be a huge increase in birth defects in Japan (if TPTB don't find a way to hide this information – and you can bet that they will be trying)!
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The projection may very well be low, but it is based on current information.
This information may be revised if anything changes in Japan, especially if the change is for the worst.
The real problem may be unseen and lurking in the shadows, because if any food chain collapse starts in the Pacific Ocean, then the possible slow death for 10's of millions or maybe even a billion, will not be very far off into the future.
For every action mankind takes, there will be a like and or equal reaction, whether it be good or bad, is determined by the initial action taken by mankind.
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Great news! No ELE per experts Gundersen & Caldicott! If they underestimated by even 100, it's still nowhere near an ele. Request to those who post extremely pessimistic projections: If you continue to post them, please back them up w/ facts and express your projections as your opinion, not as the be all/end all, because no one can say for sure and extreme pessimism is counterproductive. You see her approaching the mic so you think the fat lady's about to sing, but maybe she'll just clear her throat and do stand up comedy instead.
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I don't know if I'd call 2.5 to 3 million possible deaths "great news," but, of course, it could be even more dire.
On the other had, we can not predict with certainty what will happen at that plant. Considering the fragile state of the #R4 stucture, as well as the uncertainty regarding the coriums, etc…who knows?
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Kind of my original prediction in the first weeks. Back of the envelope type stuff, but going with Chernobyl did in roughly 1M, and this will be 3 or 4 times worse
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"..2.5 to 3 million deaths …"
"…Great news!…."
??
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of course, 2 mill is only "great" compared to an ele, or compared to 1 billion
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@demo
unfortunate choice of words.. caught me off guard.. i see your point..
peace
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If SPF #4 does not collapse or catch fire, it will probably not be an ELE. But that is a BIG "if." And even if SPF #4 cooperates, Fukushima radiation will have very dire consequences around the globe.
It almost makes no difference if it is an ELE or a gene-altering catastrophe. Either wey, mankind as we know it, has a very tenuous future. Those who might survive will probably wish they hadn't.
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jonjon,
"Then again, Arnie's style is a lot healthier, kinder and wiser."
I agree whole heartedly, but that will not save us from our own "Extinction Level" created events, based on an ancient technology that we human's still can not control or handle properly.
Why are we digging up our human past looking for the answers about who we are? Does anybody really know the truth about our roots and or the potential ancient knowledge that was lost and or hidden from us all?
Theory and conjecture abounds everywhere inside mankind's past and inside all the real sciences practiced today.
Those that care about the future, need to take a stand, and those that don't care, need to get some great health insurance, because they are going to need it very soon.
The extinction process has started and it will be a very slow and very painful event for many of the millions of human beings that will be affected around the globe. Especially for the Japanese people and then for all those downwinders affected by this most recent disaster.
What is kind and gentle about these truths and these facts?
Nothing my friend, its is now a future reality!
It is what it is, and we had all better get to fixing this ongoing problem and spreading evil called "Man Made Nuclear Radiation Contamination" that is now circling the globe!
You and your family and all the rest of us out here are nothing but guinea pigs, and the sooner you realize this factual truth, the sooner you…
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Caldicott is the one who awakened/activated me to work against nukes. Different strokes for different folks. I agree w/ lots of Obe's comments, upon re-reading. Yes "Those that care about the future, need to take a stand"
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Demo, I agree "different strokes …". We need both kinds of voices, and some "in-between" types – and more of them, heard more often, by wider audiences.
In a subtle way, I think Caldicott's and Arnie's different styles boost both their messages – which is the same message. About the time a listener is inclined to dismiss Arnie without thinking because he's "too gentle so it can't be as big a deal", Caldicott's words stir the brain. If Caldicott is "suspect" to a listener because she "exaggerates" – Arnie's matching message comes through!
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..will be considered to be much wiser than you are today.
Was that kinder and gentle enough for you?
We must all grow up, and realize when we have all been hoodwinked, by those that would do us all harm. So that they can continually benefit from enforcing and then promoting their own financial interests, via a technology that has already been proven a massive failure for all biological life supported by Mother Earth.
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Obe, if you continue to express extreme pessimism, pls do so as your opinion, not as the be all/end all & implying those who disagree are unwise, or else play into the hands of the PTB who want us discouraged/inactive. No one can predict w/ certainty. You see her approaching the mic so you think the fat lady's about to sing, but maybe she'll do stand up comedy instead. Agreed, wake up, grow up, prepare. Plant seeds for best case scenario, and put up blocks to prevent the worst while also preparing for the worst, in case.
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Agreed demo.
The ELE folk need to turn off their computers and find something else to do while they wait.
In between now and then, there is much hell-raising to be done. I ain't going down without a fight…hopefully, a long expensive one that will bleed them green and make them lose credibility and position.
Efforts like this
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/american-praised-for-collecting-japan-radiation-data-as-distrust-toward-government-builds/2012/07/09/gJQA1ggbXW_story.html
go a long way toward that goal. (Thanks for that link.)
On a long enough timeline, we are all dead anyway.
And it will be the black swan honks, no one will be prepared for that event. Might as well keep on keepin' on.
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Indeed, flatsville. Now that Caldicott has deferred Armageddon, I went downtown, bought some shirts and re-stocked the freezer. Life goes on, it seems.
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Yes. Exactly.
I hope your shirts were nice colors. I hope you bought lots of ice cream.
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3 million deaths from what? Hot particles? Contaminated seafood? Drought in the worlds bread basket? How many people live north of Fuk. in Japan? How many fishermen and sailors were exposed and are sickened? How many brave heroes have been kept from the camera eye? 1 gram of matter has the potential energy of 2000 tons of coal per academic literature pre Chernobyl. This energy is yet to manifest itself.
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This is a profound statement.
"This energy is yet to manifest itself."
– hbjon
As of today it's been…
486 Days or 1 YEAR 3 months 29 days
Almost 16 months and this really is just the beginning.
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The label ELE is misleading.50 NPPs in Japan with 2.5 million deaths each. 100 NPPs in US with 2.5 million deaths each. These NPPs run on money, skilled workers and organized civilization. Take away any one of those and a NPP turns into a massive dirty bomb. The label ELE is misleading. It is an Extinction Level Process. I am singing to the choir I know.
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Hi 6fu
Just analysing your figures:
50 x 2.5m = 125m
100 x 2.5m = 250m
total 375m
Hmmmm. Not quite the billions that I was looking for as an ELE.
But not to quibble, I get the point.
The question is this: Does Caldicott mean 2.5 / 3.0 million as a result of F-shima ALONE? If not, why didn't she make that clear?
I would have preferred it if she had said "It's 3 million on F-shima, but other huge numbers if it goes further than that."
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People could think for themselves.
"The question is this: Does Caldicott mean 2.5 / 3.0 million as a result of F-shima ALONE? If not, why didn't she make that clear?"
The infrastructure of the NPPs will not last as long as the radioactive fuel. That is simple.
This world is run by Crazy Party Girls.
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"This world is run by Crazy Party Girls" – obviously sarc. Because I'd be happy in a world run by Crazy Party Girls
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hey richard are u sure u want a world run by crazy party girls?
BellyDance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YamDoDK71Ds
then this..
http://enenews.com/nrc-spokeswoman-illinois-nuclear-plant-emergency-works-belly-dancer-absolutely-threat-public-photos
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and this
"equal opportunities month at the IAEA"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c29HV9aFCaM
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Hey, u tricked me
ahhhhhhrrccckkkk 
(and yes, I do recall that nuke spokeperon's pasttime too:) )
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Lately, it seems everyone's nos. stink (or lack of nos. with Gundersen.)
>>>The question is this: Does Caldicott mean 2.5 / 3.0 million as a result of F-shima ALONE? If not, why didn't she make that clear?<<<
Yes. Exactly. All she had to do was say we "ballparked these nos. based on this or that scenario based on prior experience with this or that. Should the situation change, you mileage my vary."
Or she could just say, "I pulled this no. out of my asshat. Nobody has a clue."
At least you have a premise and a baseline to work with which you can the adjust with equally "ballparked nos."
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demo,
I appreciate your advice and the Force has no boundaries constricted or defined by any man.
The Force asks some very simple questions:
1. Will this current Fukushima Radiation Disaster ever go away?
2. Will the recent Chernobyl Radiation Disaster every go away?
3. How many known species and or what percentage of all species have gone extinct on our planet since 1970?
4. How many people in the world have died from cancer since 1900 and how many people and or other species right now have some form of cancer diagnosis in this world today.
5. What are the current future projections for all new cancer diagnosis for our entire world?
6. Please answer how many new infectious disease patterns have emerged world wide since 1945 and after the Trinity Bomb Test?
7. Please summarize the entire world's current financial picture.
8. How much money did the USA spend on Nuclear Technology and Nuclear Weapons since 1945?
9. Please summarize current world climate temperature projections and affects on agriculture and water supplies worldwide?
These are not questions anyone should take lightly and take your time before you answer any of them. Use the Force to find out the information needed for any appropriate responses.
pessimistic
adjective
a pessimistic outlook on life gloomy, negative, defeatist, downbeat, cynical, bleak, fatalistic, dark, black, despairing, despondent, depressed, hopeless; suspicious, distrustful, doubting. See note at optimistic
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demo and jonjon,
Is there hope that mankind will awaken in time to save us all from ourselves?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s&feature=related
Maybe, but my advice is we all better get to saving Mother Earth, while we still can!
optimistic
adjective
1 she felt optimistic about the future hopeful, confident, positive, cheerful, cheery, sanguine, bright, buoyant, full of hope, bullish, Panglossian, Pollyannaish; informal upbeat; dated of good cheer. antonym pessimistic, hopeless.
2 the forecast is optimistic encouraging, promising, hopeful, reassuring, favorable, auspicious, propitious. antonym ominous, gloomy.
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So much rosy-tinted glasses positive thinking… with so little basis in fact for it. A couple of anti-nuke experts opine that Fuku is not an ELE after all (according to a couple of people) and that's enough to make us all happy now? If this is the 'resistance', please spare me a view of the rest of the citizenry, at least until I've fortified myself with a couple of stiff drinks.
Not to burst any bubbles or rain on any parades … but a review of the salient facts might be in order.
We is still in deep do-do, folks… as far as the nuke industry is concerned, it is still 'full steam ahead.' As long is there is still a tax-payer funded/subsidized dollar to be made, they are going to be building more nuke plants and more nuke bombs, and the hell with tomorrow.
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My attack on Helen Caldicott might be a bit out of line, but I'm tired of her repeating the same thing over and over (for some it might be the first time they hear it). And I don't particularly like her condescending, cynical and negative style, it's bad leadership.
All that said, we need more people willing to expose the danger and absurdity of these types of technologies.
Unfortunately there are many more nuclear power plants in the making, and soon or later, we'll have another Fukushima, and another and another…
My hope is that the Japanese don't give up their fight against the restart of nuclear reactors, and that the movement spreads globally. If the Japanese can't do it in their own devastated country, then there's very little hope it can be achieved in countries that haven't experienced such disaster yet.
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jonjon,
Now your talking, and I do not think anyone needs to like any of the messengers, when the messages sent are so dire for the entire world at large.
When all is said and done, and the history books are written, Helen will be a star, if she is successful with her messages sent and she actually changes the course and the future of Nuclear Technology Applications and the potential disaster history that is now in the making.
3 Super Powers and or very Advance Nations have already had Nuclear Meltdowns. These Superior Nations were suppose to be the very best at what they do.
This fact alone tells us that we are all in very, very serious trouble, if the original inventors of this Nuclear Technology can't even handle the technology and machines they purposely created.
If I did not know any better and I looked down on Mother Earth from up above, I would think we were all being exterminated on purpose.
Only an "Extinction Command Protocol" would continue to push for further use, promotion and then the deployment of this Nuclear Technology on this planet's surface.
Makes you just want to pay a great deal more in taxes, while convincing your children to do the same, doesn't it?
How does this work? We pay massive amounts of taxes to our very own governments, so that they can exterminate us?
Gee, this overall plan sounds a little unstable to me.
Maybe its just the advanced practice of eugenics at its finest, based on the premise that what you…
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..can't see, cant hurt you! Since this radiation contamination for the most part is invisible.
Of course then we have all seen the big explosions and detonations, but those explosions and smoke don't last very long, and when out of sight then they must be out of our minds, or is it that we are all "out of our minds"!
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obewan 3:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNHk-iWS_8U
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hey obe, i know you gave me a funny, geeky reply and I did enjoy it.
This clip, although it may be perceived as geeky, is actually a parable I was using as an expression, of something not so funny.
This parable is to watch your back, watch those close to you, watch those in authority who supposedly know best. The status quo and alliances may not be what they seem and can suddenly turn. There is something lurking in the global political landscape, it would seem shadowy and powerful.
just my opinion, of course.
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Wish I could be more optimistic for demo but here is one that recently caught my eye and these are the scientists that are doing the talking, not me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ-6MTuY68I&feature=player_embedded
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Richard, loved it and one for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhiCFdWeQfA&feature=related
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anyone ? .. hah hahaha hahahah hahaha hahah anyone
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that was funny ob1
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Richard like yours, my funny was also a parable.
The Force is very old and very wise and knows all of us are dying. Some will die much sooner than others.
Helen has been on this "Stop Nuclear Bandwagon" for many years, and her messages must be sent to all those that have not listened in the past. The negative consequences brought on by this Nuclear Technology usage are now simply way to dire for the current and future energy fields being damaged on our planet.
Stay strong, stay persistent and do not take "NO" for an answer.
Shut them down. shut them all down and do it very quickly!
Permanent brain damage, death and extinction are not very far off for everyone, if we continue any longer down this Nuclear Technology path. This brain damage is already showing up all around the world and inside our children's Autism rates and the heavily damaged human gene pool.
Mankind has no right to be able to damage Mother Earth and all the other species still present.
Apparently the most damaged species residing on this planet today, must be the human species, and the sooner we all realize these facts, the sooner "Mother Earth" can be brought back to a pristine and prosperous state of health.
We have the ability to change the current direction and path that was chosen for all of us, without our permission.
Its time for us all to wake up and then to choose our future technology path very carefully and wisely my friend.
The only thing to fear, is fear…
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The only thing to fear, is fear itself!
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