“Caldrons of hell” created at Fukushima, says energy company official; Disaster is recurring each day at plant — Japan Nuclear Expert: We have a crisis “of a severity that can’t be imagined anywhere else”; People have been abandoned and “thrown away” (VIDEO)

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Asahi Shimbun, May 1, 2015 (emphasis added): Yauemon Sato, the ninth-generation chief of a sake brewery operating here since 1790 [and president of electric power company Aizu Denryoku] likens the crippled reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant to “caldrons of hell.” In a recent interview with The Asahi Shimbun, Sato said the nuclear disaster “continues to recur every day”… Excerpts from the interview follow: Question: What drives you to be so active, including in the use of renewable energy? — Sato: You know the caldron of hell? You will be sent to hell and will be boiled in that caldron if you do evil. And there are four such caldrons in Fukushima… And the disaster has yet to end. It continues to recur every day. More than 300 tons of water, contaminated with intense levels of radioactive substances, are being generated every day…

Hiroaki Koide, professor at Kyoto Univ. Research Reactor Institute (retired), Apr 24, 2015:

  • 11:30 – The Prime Minister [said Fukushima] had been brought to a close. My reaction on hearing his words was, ‘Stop kidding.’ Reality is, though 4 years have passed, the accident has not yet been brought to a close at all.
  • 15:15 – What is the situation within the core? How much has melted? Where is the fuel exactly? We do not know… This is an accident of a severity that cannot be imagined anywhere else… As you can see, we are facing a very, very difficult situation. The only choice that we have open to us is to somehow keep the situation from getting worse.
  • 30:30 – We are in a very terrible situation, I would even call it a crisis.
  • 55:30 – The Japanese government has issued a declaration that this is an emergency situation. As a result, normal laws do not have to be followed. What they are saying is that, in these very high radiation exposure level areas, they have basically abandoned people to live there. They’ve actually thrown them away to live there… The Cs-137 that’s fallen onto Japanese land in the Tohoku and Kanto regions, so much so that this area should all be put under the radiation control area designation [the Kanto region includes Tokyo and is home to over 40 million people].
  • 1:01:00 – I really do want to impress upon you that the accident effects are continuing.
  • 1:02:00 – Bahrain’s Ambassador to Japan: If you were the Prime Minister of Japan, what are you going to do with this very complicated situation?… Koide: When you have an emergency legally declared, regular laws are put on hold. What that means is people can be thrown away into areas where normally people should not be… The first thing I would do as Prime Minister is evacuate all the children that are in the contaminated areas.
  • Watch Koide’s presentation here
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542 comments to “Caldrons of hell” created at Fukushima, says energy company official; Disaster is recurring each day at plant — Japan Nuclear Expert: We have a crisis “of a severity that can’t be imagined anywhere else”; People have been abandoned and “thrown away” (VIDEO)

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Hell knows no bounds.


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  • bo bo

    @code Gerhardt Richter ( one of my current faves ) painting of 9/11 – WTC
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt5qncMCIAAQ-No.jpg


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  • rogerthat

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-05/hong-kong-loophole-may-have-flooded-china-radioactive-japanese-foods

    Hong Kong 'Loophole' May Have Flooded China With Radioactive Japanese Foods

    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 05/05/2015


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    • melting mermaid melting mermaid

      Welcome to our world. Maybe when they get around to labelling gmo's, they will also label proximity to the jet stream. Talk about your irredeemable oopsie daisys. You can't just not buy Fukushima foods. It will be coming down in the rain all over the planet for centuries. Dumbasses. Greedy dumbasses.


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  • rogerthat

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2015/05/05/cooling-tower/

    Opinions
    Cooling Tower

    By Tom Toles May 5

    One of the oddest responses to Climate Change has been the nuclear power angle. I’ll try to describe the argument first before I start to criticize it. It goes like:

    If you’re so concerned about CO2 emissions, why then won’t you support nuclear power, which has zero emissions?

    Okay. It’s a good question, but still odd in a couple ways. First it implies that everyone who is concerned about climate change refuses to consider nuclear. Not so.

    Second, it implies that nuclear has no OTHER environmental consequences that need to be considered.

    Even putting safety aside, the question of the radioactive waste doesn’t go away. Kind of like the waste itself.

    But the Geiger counter detects something else. The Geiger counter detects that the question is really more about hyping nuclear power in and of itself, rather than as a response to climate. …


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    • rogerthat

      It will be interesting now to see how the conversation starts to reshape itself after some recent news. This change of conversation showed up last week in the comments section of this blog, ahead of the curve!

      Nuclear is starting to become uncompetitive IN COST with renewables.

      A quote: “Here in Illinois you know it’s true because Exelon is threatening to close five nuclear plants because they can’t compete with wind anymore.”

      The price drop in renewables is gaining speed and strength, and maybe will catch and tame Climate Change yet.

      This will be great news for everyone except those psychically or economically invested in the problematic energy sources of the past. You know who you are.

      Tom Toles is the editorial cartoonist for The Post and writes the Tom Toles blog.


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  • rogerthat

    it's interesting that the japan times has expanded its horizons on matters nuclear:

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/05/05/commentary/world-commentary/ukraines-other-chernobyls/#.VUoNtkJB-S3

    COMMENTARY / WORLD

    Ukraine’s other Chernobyls

    BY IRYNA HOLOVKO MAY 5, 2015

    In 1983, the Soviet Union inaugurated two nuclear reactors in what is now Ukraine. One of them, unit four at Chernobyl, experienced an explosion and fire three years later that released large quantities of radioactive particles into the atmosphere — a catastrophic accident whose effects are still being felt far beyond Ukraine’s borders.

    The other reactor, unit one at the South Ukraine Nuclear Power Station, remains in operation, though all indications suggest that it should be retired.

    The prolonged operation of unit one and the country’s aging nuclear power plants probably would not have been possible without financial support from EU taxpayers, delivered through the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development and the European Atomic Energy Community as part of a €600 million “safety upgrade” program.

    In defiance of both the Convention on Environmental Impact Assessment in a Transboundary Context (the Espoo convention) and the EBRD loan agreement, the program was undertaken in the absence of any consultation with Ukraine’s European neighbors.

    Thanks to these efforts, the South Ukraine plant was granted a 10-year …


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    • rogerthat

      lifetime extension permit in 2013 by the State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate (SNRIU).

      But, according to a study released in March by the National Ecological Center of Ukraine (NECU), the assessment on which this decision was based was deeply flawed.

      In fact, the unit one reactor suffers dangerous vulnerabilities, with observed wear in some areas already exceeding tolerable levels by a factor of 10.

      Such vulnerabilities, the study warns, could result in a nuclear emergency, including a release of radioactive particles inside the unit — or even into the environment.

      This is hardly an isolated case. Three of Ukraine’s nuclear power units are currently operating beyond their design lifetime, with nine others set to reach the end of their intended lifetime within the next five years.

      Most immediately, unit two in South Ukraine will reach that point in less than three weeks, meaning that the SNRIU must now decide whether to grant that unit a 20-year lifetime extension.

      The SNRIU will make this critical decision without key information about the health and environmental risks that the reactor poses to Ukraine and its neighbors.

      Though this contravenes Ukraine’s responsibility, as a signatory to the Espoo convention, to carry out a cross-border environmental-impact assessment (not to mention missing the opportunity to consider alternatives to continuing the reactor’s operation), no such analysis is expected to take place. …


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      • rogerthat

        Last month, campaign groups in neighboring countries wrote to their representatives at the EBRD, requesting that the bank suspend its support for revitalizing Ukraine’s nuclear power plants until a cross-border assessment is carried out.

        A similar letter, signed by CEE Bankwatch Network and 45 other environmental NGOs from across the region, had already been sent to the European Commission’s Directorate-General for the Environment and the European Union’s director at the EBRD.

        But, even with such an analysis, Ukraine’s nuclear regulator would be in no position to guarantee the safe operation of aging nuclear units.

        Not only is its professional capacity dubious, as the NECU study highlighted; its independence has been curtailed by the government’s recent decision to reduce significantly regulatory obligations for businesses and state-owned companies (except with regard to taxation).

        As the EBRD acknowledged in February, the SNRIU is now prohibited from taking the lead in conducting safety inspections, which is in breach of the EBRD loan agreement conditionality.

        This is to say nothing of the immediate threat posed by the ongoing military conflict with Russia-backed rebels in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine.

        Beyond the obvious risks associated with instability, there is the fact that Ukraine depends on Russia not only for most of the fuel to run its aging reactors, but also for the treatment and storage of most of its spent fuel. …


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        • rogerthat

          In other words, Ukraine’s dependence on nuclear energy, which accounts for about half of its electricity generation, has increased its strategic vulnerability to Russia.

          That alone should be enough to convince Ukraine’s government not to perpetuate their country’s reliance on this insecure and dangerous energy source. If it is not, the 29th anniversary of the Chernobyl disaster, commemorated last month, should serve as a stark reminder of how much damage a nuclear accident can cause.

          Ukraine should take its reactors’ expiration dates as an opportunity to pursue a safer, more sustainable energy future. Given that this would also be in Europe’s interest, EU governments and citizens must do whatever it takes to support this effort. It is a long-term commitment, but one for which there may not be a lifetime extension.

          Iryna Holovko is a Ukraine campaigner at CEE Bankwatch Network and the National Ecological Centre of Ukraine. © Project Syndicate, 2015


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    http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/elist/eListRead/abandoned_uranium_mines_plague_navajo_nation/

    Abandoned Uranium Mines Plague Navajo Nation
    BY SONIA LUOKKALA – MAY 5, 2015

    Mining companies left behind a legacy of poisoned wells and contaminated earth
    The mesas of Monument Valley rise deep red on the horizon. We are in Diné Bikéyah, land of the Navajo.

    “This is John Wayne country,” trained Navajo guide Gregory Holiday repeats his lines for an enchanted group of tourists. The view opens boundless to the sacred land of the Diné people, but for visitors it is presented as the iconic west of cowboys and Americana.

    The sun sets and the last traveler boards the bus to leave Navajo Nation and head back to Flagstaff and into US-governed territory. With the bus’ departure, Gregory’s role as the light-hearted Indian guide ends. We take a gravel road to his home in the village of Oljato. During the jolty ride the rehearsed stories of Wild West heroes shift to memories of deceased loved ones.

    “My daughter loved to ride her motorbike in the desert,” he says.

    Two years ago Gregory’s daughter died of lung cancer. Her child, Gregory’s granddaughter, was a victim of Navajo neuropathy, a rare condition named after the only population in which it occurs. For those suffering from the disease, limbs begin to tingle, then lose all sense of touch, and eventually appear curled as claws. …


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      Ultimately, the victim dies of liver failure. One study put the average age of death at 10. First described in medical literature in 1976, there is no cure.

      In the 1940s, surveyors discovered significant uranium deposits throughout the once worthless desert landscape of the reservation.

      Between 1944 and 1986, as the US government aimed to cut off all dependence on imported uranium, nearly 4 million tons of ore were extracted to fuel the Cold War nuclear arm’s race.

      With the end of the war, the mining companies moved out. They were not required to clean up their mess and left behind the legacy of their extraction efforts, including mining waste and abandoned mines.

      The incidence of Navajo neuropathy is five times higher on the western side of the Navajo reservation than on the eastern side. Some researchers believe this discrepancy is linked to the land: On the western side, the mines were mostly tunnels, whereas in the west they were primarily open pits.

      After the uranium companies left, the unfilled pits started to fill with water. Some, as deep as 130 feet, eventually formed into small lakes. Unsuspecting Navajos and their livestock use the contaminated water for drinking.

      A 1990 study of Navajo neuropathy ruled out water contamination as a possible cause of the disease.

      However, that study has since been cast into doubt. …


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      • rogerthat

        In 2006, the Los Angeles Times reported that the study “did not fully consider the role of uranium mining.” Interviewed for the LA Times story, Steve Helgerson, lead scientist for the study, said his team had ruled out water contamination because families impacted by Navajo neuropathy were supplied by multiple water sources. He said the team did not explore whether these multiple sources shared common contaminants.

        As the Los Angeles Times also reported, in 1986, Thomas Payne an environmental health officer for Indian Health Services, along with a National Park Service ranger, took water samples at 48 sites surrounding Cameron, AZ, a town in Navajo Nation.

        These samples revealed uranium levels in wells as high as 139 picocuries per liter. In abandoned pits, the levels were as high as 4,024 pinocuries. The EPA limit for safe drinking water is 20 picocuries per liter. At the time of his study, Helgerson was not aware of these results.

        No further studies have been conducted on the possible links between the environment and Navajo neuropathy.

        The source of the illness remains formally unknown, although similar symptoms were seen in the children of Chernobyl and in the victims of Minamata disease in Japan, both caused by environmental factors.

        Conditions in Holiday’s hometown, Oljato, resemble those of a third world country. Residents have limited access to clean water and live in houses constructed of uranium-contaminated gravel. …


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          Six abandoned uranium mines that still emit dangerous gamma rays surround the village. In 2014, the EPA scanned almost 500 mines across Navajo Nation for radiation; the majority measured levels at least 10-times greater than background radiation levels, some as high as 25-times background radiation. Many of the highest radiating mines were found to be located within a quarter-mile of inhabited structure.

          Gregory draws a deep breath through an oxygen mask attached to a tank standing beside his couch. A few years ago he also was diagnosed with a now common occurrence in Navajo Nation, lung cancer.

          In the 1950s, cancer rates in the Navajo population were so low that the people were thought to be immune to it.

          An article titled “Cancer immunity in the Navajo” was published in a medical journal in 1959.

          A decade into the mining era, cancer rates had more than doubled.

          According to a report by the Navajo Epidemiology Center, by 2004, cancer had become the leading cause of illness and death for the Navajo, a generally nonsmoking population.

          “Everything here makes us and the animals sick," Gregory said.

          In his youth, Gregory was one of thousands of Navajo men lured to work in the uranium mines and mills. For him, as well as many others, employment as a miner or millworker was his first contact with the US wage economy. At the time, the miners were grateful.

          But the Navajo saw little of the huge profits from uranium. …


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          • rogerthat

            Copies of miners’ pay stubs show payments of minimum wage or less: wages varied from an hourly $0.81 to $1.00.

            Moreover, in 2011, journalist Judy Pasternak reported in her book Yellow Dirt: A Poisoned Land and a People Betrayed that the miners suffered radiation exposure four times that of the Japanese targeted by nuclear bombs during World War II.

            Navajo language had no word for radiation and few Navajo people spoke English before the mining began.

            Officials knew uranium exposure posed serious health risks but made no effort to educate their workers.

            Protective clothing, masks or ventilation were never provided. Miners returned to their families daily with clothes covered in the yellow dust of uranium.

            “Others working with me died a long time ago” Gregory says.

            The table is set with traditional Navajo soup made from Gregory’s family’s sheep. His is a story not heard by the 400,000 annual tourists crossing Monument Valley off their bucket list just 10 minutes out of town.

            Today, more than 1,200 uranium mines lie abandoned within the borders of Navajo Nation. Some are barred with rubble, but most are left exposed.

            The task of cleanup is daunting.

            EPA coordinator Lillie Lane told me the cost to clean just two mines is estimated to be $131 million.

            Navajo Nation EPA is currently researching and identifying the mining companies responsible for the waste. The paper trail is long, but under the Superfund Act, these companies can be held…


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            • rogerthat

              accountable for the cost.

              “It is going to take 100 years,” said Lillie Lane, referring to the task of tracking down the responsible parties.

              Last week, those working to clean up the mining waste received a boost from the federal government: The Justice Department announced that the US will place $13.2 million in a trust to pay for the evaluation of 16 abandoned uranium mines on Navajo land. The contribution is part of a settlement agreement with the Navajo Nation.

              In the meantime, fragile communities continue to live amid the poisoned wells and contaminated earth, and the uranium riddled sagebrush flats are home for the next generation of Navajo children.

              That is, at least until those responsible are held to account and the landscape is restored to what it once was, before profits were prioritized above the land and its people.

              Sonia Luokkala
              Sonia Luokkala is an environmental journalist from Finland, where during the past ten years she has written about issues such as the civil and land rights violations against the indigenous Sámi people of Finnish and Swedish Lapland. She moved to the States two years ago, and is currently leading a nomadic lifestyle with her baby daughter, dog and husband.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Hi RogerThat, just watched a very good documentary on this subject. Will post a link if I can find it again. Worth watching.


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    • SadieDog

      "Under the compensation scheme, TEPCO has been paying compensation to people who had to abandon their homes and to business owners in the affected region for the losses suffered because of the accident.

      However, the plaintiffs claim the payments are insufficient and are asking for TEPCO to pay an additional indemnity until radiation levels around the plant return to the levels of prior to the accident."


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    A Letter Written In 2070

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VBeiJ_YNn8

    2070?
    It won't be that long.
    Add radiation.


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  • The Giant - Humbled The Giant - Humbled

    Okie and Kia Ora:

    Blackeet (Anskapipikuni) and Maori greetings and a warm handshake to all of you (non-trolls, that is). Thanks to Roger That for posting the article on Navajo Neuropathy and the Uranium and cancer issues facing the Navajo Nation. As a retired Medical officer and Chief of Behavioral Health at the Gallup Indian Medical center, I was responsible for the behavioral health assessment and treatment of Navajo patients. Mt sons are both enrolled members of the Navajo nation. During my seven year tenure in Gallup, I meet and worked with many Dine people (Navajo is the non-native word – I believe that it translates as "thief" or "horse thief."). Some had the symptoms of "Navajo Neuropathy," which I was told was an unknown condition – affecting Dine and the causes were not recognized. Only immediately prior to my leaving New Mexico, USA for Aotearoa (New Zealand), did I actually find out that this condition is a form of Radiation Sickness. It boogles the mind that the government (U.S. Public Health Service – Indian Health Service) does not 1.) acknowledge that Navajo Neuropathy is radiation sickness, 2.) does not provide tertiary treatment of it as a form or radiation sickness, 3.0 does not and has not implemented primary prevention (at least the provision of accurate information). A bit off-topic. My Tribe – the Blackfeet- have decided to unilaterally cancel the oil and gas leases on our holy ground – the Badger – Tw Medicine – HURRAY!!!!!!!


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      The Giant – Humbled said:
      "…the Blackfeet- have decided to unilaterally cancel the oil and gas leases on our holy ground – the Badger – Tw Medicine – HURRAY!!!!!!!"
      Question: Do the Blackfeet accept applications for residency from white people? :)


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  • The Giant - Humbled The Giant - Humbled

    Kia Ora and Okie:

    Warnings were very clear from the Lakota people to "not remove – the bones of the earth – the uranium and gold) from the Black Hills and South Dakota badlands and Lakota reservation country. It was foretold that these minerals were powerful spirits and that they would see to the return to the place from whence they were forcibly removed. Just like black slavery in the USA (the forced removal of powerful spirits from Africa) is now reverberating in US society as manifested in Baltimore and Oklahoma. The powerful, ancient spirits of these minerals have acted as it was foretold – they are returning on the winds from the places they were imprisoned. Not, in a good way for the people for the planet. I had two conversations, one with the Blackfeet wisdom-keeper Morris Weasaltail and one with the Maori wisdom-keeper Rose Pere (google Aunty's garden on you-tube for conversations with Aunt Rose). Both seemed of the mind that the issues in Fukushima have a lot to do with the earth cleansing itself and if we, the people of the earth – aren't with it, wee won't make it. Aunt Rose awoke the night of Chernobyl and was hugely impacted – she saw it as a message – a warning. But, she wasn't impacted at that spiritual level by Fukushima – seems that is the start of a cleansing. Morris made similar comments, "said that he thinks that the earth will clean up the mess if we don't. But, the Hopi Thomas Baneca suggested there is time if we will unite and…


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  • The Giant - Humbled The Giant - Humbled

    Kia ora and Okie:

    If we will act. I sense that spirit to unite and to act burns bright. I sense it when I read the words and the thoughts of the adherents of ene news. I sense it in the commitment of the activists here – those of you who are working through the provision of information to each other and the to the people. The administration of this website, the workers with their own websites – fighting the fight for health, safety, and beauty around us in all directions.

    Uniquely, even the trolls and shills – because if there wasn't a sense a power and potential here and the possibility of positive change, there would be no need for trolls and shills and misinformation. So, when they bleat on and yak and yammer incessantly with falsehood, lies, and un-substantiated blather – take heart – they are – in fact – a sign of the times. Evil is as it does.

    We must continue to do our best in these transformative times. These are transformative times. Who can say what we might evolve to on the spiritual plane if we preserve. Tome Laughlin, the Jungian Psychologist, who played out the role of Billy Jack (a transformational character) in his 1970's movies: "The Born Losers," "Billy Jack," and "The Trial of Billy Jack," had a line, something like this: "One day, I'll stand in front of the creator and in the moment that I go there, I want to the be doing what will be a solid representation of myself." Close – not 100%, but me too. So, I participate here…


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  • rogerthat

    thank you for explaining Navajo Neuropathy, and thanks to Sonia Luokkala for her report


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Japan has 2 main problems:
    Too many nuclear plants.
    http://thebulletin.org/sites/default/files/styles/scale_width_700px/public/japan_map1.jpg?itok=hMKVCMzd
    Too many active volcanos.
    http://api.ning.com/files/dFIfAkRs7RPIPe6UpyOZCkeDnnM8G6QMMZl4Bb61d2ENVP0Bcke-gR6To7QbJoWL8Apnt3YBnMxYxn*0nICaEaM0n70x1ibX/ActiveVolcanoJapan.jpg?width=670

    Get the picture?

    The human race will be very lucky if we do not experience a "Nuclear Volcano" from corium meltout.
    That would be a very bad thing.

    There seem to be 3 volcanos inland from the FDNPP.
    One for each missing core to head for…

    BTW, where are those 3 missing cores, eh, Tepco? ;)

    (Not where you keep telling us they are.)


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Let's consider plate technomics in the Fukushima area.
      Consider this a cut-away view of Fukushima, with the FDNPP sitting right at the ocean's edge to the right.
      http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Japan_2011_Quake/techtonics_001.gif
      Big "Oops".
      The mantle slopes from the shore right down to the magna chambers of inland volcanos.
      Anybody else see a long-term problem with this? ;)

      Perhaps, thankfully, those 3 missing cores contain a limited amount of energy.
      Eventually, they will either spread out and stop their movement.
      Or, they will simply exhaust themselves, as they reach an end of the energy in the fuel.
      Hopefully, the corium lava tubes will seal themselves.
      Or, perhaps, the groundwater filling the corium lava tubes will moderate the radiation coming from the cores.
      (Either way, Tepco will be glad to find that the 3 missing cores may decommission themselves.)


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      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        That should be: "plate techtonics". :)


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      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        (Either way, Tepco will be glad to find that the 3 missing cores may decommission themselves.)

        EUREKA, a solution to the waste, decommission problem!
        Actually, Woods Hole clearly shows that dumping all nuclear waste into the ocean will dilute to levels below background and be way less than getting a dental x-ray.

        SO now you have two good choices; let em melt down, or dump it in the ocean


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        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

          The coria melted down into the ground in 2011, and it is obvious that the radioactive nuclides from Fukushima in the ocean is rapidly killing off all the marine animals and the plankton.

          The radiation from Fukushima is going to keep increasing for the next 250,000 years as it does after every nuclear accident of which there have been many and there will be many more if all nuclear reactors aren't shut down and if Bill Gates is allowed to build many more.

          Bill Gates is already on reacord that he wants everyone on the planet except for a few million people. So all his proposals for Monsanto, vaccinations, and nuclear energy should be banned.


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          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            PT, Im with you. However you dont ACTUALLY address the point, which was only implied by sarcasm. The point is that the mainstream, which includes all of our science institutes, our government and the U.N. certainly the nuclear regulatory people…heck, why not include the president, and even some ENEnews posters are saying that the levels are very low and Fukushima will decommission itself.

            I have a problem with this. I think the problem is huge. The tests show "radiation levels thousands of times lower than that which would be any health concern"

            Its up to people…(you?) to solve this. You post links but yet we dont have the definitive answer and frankly, metal beard -Alex was right, we are losing the battle, and its only the usual ugly market forces which are shutting down SOME nuclear enterprises.

            Maybe I will call it the "Fukushima murder mystery"

            People are going to believe Woods Hole, not ENE posters. These are some things from Woods Hole;

            "no radiation had yet been found along any of the beaches or shorelines where the public has been sampling since 2013"

            Check the latest test results from the Buesselers public funded effort. I didnt check ALL of them but so far found only ONE that showed C-134 at a detectable level. Since they use the 137-134 ratio to determine the source, this means Woods Hole cant detect any radiation from Fukushima in these crowd funded efforts!


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            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Anti nukers are hard pressed to make videos as clean and convincing as this one showing no danger from Fukushima

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOYHjDpu_RY&feature=youtu.be

              We should identify the weakness in the argument and provide convincing proof to the contrary. Not just endless links…that is information glut and nobody will bother to put the whole story together.

              Solve the Fukushima Murder Mystery


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              • ya I agree, I don't really have the skill or time, but we need to get easy to digest and not too ranty video up on youtube and elsewhere.


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                West Coast of North America to Be Hit Hard by Fukushima Radiation
                Posted on August 20, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog

                “…Last year, scientists from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA) Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory and 3 scientists from the GEOMAR Research Center for Marine Geosciences showed that radiation on the West Coast of North America could end up being 10 times higher than in Japan:…

                “And a team of top Chinese scientists has just published a study in the Science China Earth Sciences journal showing that the radioactive plume crosses the ocean in a nearly straight line toward North America, and that it appears to stay together with little dispersion:
                “’On March 30, 2011, the Japan Central News Agency reported the monitored radioactive pollutions that were 4000 times higher than the standard level. Whether or not these nuclear pollutants will be transported to the Pacific-neighboring countries through oceanic circulations becomes a world-wide concern.
                ***
                “’The time scale of the nuclear pollutants reaching the west coast of America is 3.2 years if it is estimated using the surface drifting buoys and 3.9 years if it is estimated using the nuclear pollutant particulate tracers.
                ***

                “’The half life of cesium-137 is so long that it produces more damage to human. Figure 4 gives the examples of the distribution of the impact strength of Cesium-137 at year 1.5 (panel (a)), year 3.5 (panel (b)), and year 4 (panel (c)).
                ***
                “’It is…


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                Gunderson – Seattle Residents Breathed Ten 'Hot' Particles A Day
                Excerpts From Arnie Gunderson Interview
                With Chris Martenson
                6-6-11
                http://www.rense.com/general94/gund.htm


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                Fukushima 1000s of times worse than Chernobyl:

                English Interview about nuclear danger with Holger Strohm
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZL7FM_zLgM


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                FUKUSHIMA – 2015 – The Year The Pacific Ocean Died
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY31BfWyDrI


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                RED ALERT! Fukushima meltdown! Cesium-137,Iodine-131,Xenon-133,Xenon GAS, Zardoz NOT being reported.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEavDIUOpoo


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              • unincredulous unincredulous

                Great question, CODE. It's a great test and a hard question.

                I have read a lot of articles here on Enenews, and stopped eating seafood, mostly, since 2012 at the latest. The video is tempting me to chow down on seafood immediately, because I miss it alot. If I am a regular Enenews reader and buy into that video so easily, I really don't think the average Joe or Jane would be convinced that NW Pacific seafood is dangerous.

                Rather than a forum, there should be a submission section for the best answer. I know my answer won't be best, but my first thought is…1) I don't want a hot particle stuck in me and 2)I have read that, as generations of other species pass down the effects man-made radiation, the offspring are becoming more affected by new doses than their ancestors—This does not happen with natural radioactive substances, does it? If it did wouldn't we all be dead already?
                Since we are only a few generations from mankinds' initial exposure to these man-made elements, and since we are the most sensitive species to the radiation (according the Goddard's journal video) we should be cautious to put it mildly. 3) plutonium may not radiate that much, but it is VERY toxic. 4) Radioactive strontium- the bone seeker. 5) Everything is dying in the pacific , seems like a good thing to avoid.


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                • unincredulous unincredulous

                  OH! Almost forgot — 6)If it's so safe why is TEPCO and the Japanese government LYING and hiding and underestimating releases by millions and billions and trillions?


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                  • A person in a local congregation who LOTS of seafood and was fishing in the Pacific just died suddenly, heart attack, no health problems before that. Strong as an ox, looked like a lumberjack.


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                    • unincredulous unincredulous

                      Sadly, I think this sort is the only proof that people will accept. I suspect something really horrible (mass illness and death)will befall Japan before a video could ever wake people here. Who knows, maybe on the west coast of U.S. something will happen.

                      I know a local woman, living only a city block away, died of a softball size tumor in the brain years ago, but that was before 3-11-11. Maybe it was a Fukushima anticipatory tumor. Seriously, now, half of Japan could die of cancer next week, and many will think Bin Laden did it. Me? Not so much.


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                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Here is the deal and it is the way it is. :(

                  Unless you can check every inch of this Earth at the exact same time for these Fukushima radiation signatures they will be very hard to find in any kind of volume. That does not make anything safe period downwind or down current. Japan is now toast! They have very high levels everywhere. :(

                  Same with all medical research concerning cancer/disease and unless all of these released rampant radioactive isotopes are accounted for worldwide then every medical research paper created concerning the whys/reasons for these projected in the billions of varied cancers/diseases being created are also tainted.

                  Everything is now tainted whether we here like it or not and it will get much worse. We can't poison our ecosystems and environment and not expect Helter Skelter skewed results everywhere. You scientific and medical systems are scrambling to keep up with all the anomalies showing up everywhere from flesh eating bacteria, mutated virus and bacteria to the all the diseases and cancers now happening everywhere.

                  These institutions will all be overloaded soon unless we change our ways. The Earth can not clean up this cesspool environmental mess we are all creating in real time.

                  My recommendation is to weep for the/your planet's future! :(

                  https://www.google.com/search?q=radiation+found+on+west+coast+beach+youtube&oq=radiation+found+on+west+coast+beach+youtube&aqs=chrome..69i57.10407j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8


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                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    Agreed Obewan. But how do you convince anyone…how do you convince the world that huge amounts of deadly poison are in fact deadly when they measure them to be less than background levels? The background levels have been safe for millions of years. Now you add a little extra…not twice or anything like that, and now you have to explain that that little bit extra makes all the difference. We need to step up our game!

                    The most stringent EPA maximum contaminant level is for radium which is 185 Bq/m3. So the public and the official agencies and the president and the U.N. and your neighbor and probably children will consider anything less to be acceptably safe. Compare this to what Ken Buesseler is finding on the west coast; ZERO levels of C-134, 1 or 2 Becquerels of C-137. How much radioactive K-40 is in the water? Seems like I remember its around 11 Bq/l which is 11,000 becquerels per cubic meter.

                    Buesselers detection limit using this method is about 0.1 Bq/m3 for 137Cs and 0.2 Bq/m3 for 134Cs http://ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html#sthash.arOYTxCp.8mVFX6XA.dpuf


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Obe…see the point? I tell my friend the ocean is dying…he goes to Woods Hole and comes back to me saying that Fukushima is between 1/5000 and infinitely less than background radiation….case closed. I say, well theres bio-accumulation and fuel fleas, but this is not enough for him, Ive already lost the argument.

                      I suggest, for starters, to uncover the entire extra radioactive and heavy metal load…in easy to compare units, not just cesium. For example the ONE test that Buesseler says finally even showed ANY fukushima rads was close to 5 Bq/m3 C137. So probably adding strontium will double this. Plutonium and the others will add a little more. If we can show there is at least 10 to 30 becquerels in water and this has absolutely demonstrated bio-accumulation 10,000 times, then suddenly we are in the range of "background radiation" and the argument has a little more weight to it

                      I believe stock has some derived total radionuclides on his site.

                      Then we need to uncover the low dose studies for specific isotopes. Weve been saying its not the dose in energy levels that is important. This must be a huge part of the deal…we must bust the linear becquerel per tissue dose argument. Indeed a part of that is the particle size which may contain billions of atoms in one location. Then all this must be put together in bullet point rhetoric with references, then some videos have to be made that are as good as Goddards

                      https://www.youtube


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Code, where is your link for such information? I finally read something at Woods Hole, and Buessler says that Fukushima radiation at Fukushima is very high. I will get a link.


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      “…after what is certainly the largest accidental release of radioactive contaminants to the oceans in history,” said Ken Buesseler,…”
                      http://www.whoi.edu/news-release/fukushima-ucluelet


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Trace Amounts of Fukushima Radioactivity Detected Along Shoreline of British Columbia
                      April 6, 2015
                      “Scientists at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) have for the first time detected the presence of small amounts of radioactivity from the 2011 Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Plant accident in a seawater sample from the shoreline of North America. The sample, which was collected on February 19 in Ucluelet, British Columbia, with the assistance of the Ucluelet Aquarium, contained trace amounts of cesium (Cs) -134 and -137, well below internationally established levels of concern to humans and marine life….
                      “Last November, the team reported their first sample containing detectable radioactivity from Fukushima 100 miles (150 km) off shore of Northern California….
                      “The Ucluelet sample contained 1.4 Becquerels per cubic meter (Bq/m3) (the number of decay events per second per 260 gallons of water) of cesium-134, a telltale sign of having come from Fukushima, and 5.8 Bq/m3 of cesium-137. These levels are comparable to those measured 100 miles off the coast of Northern California last summer. …
                      The Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution is a private, independent organization


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      You need to understand about bioaccumulation and you need to cite the studies that have found the studies that have found the highly lethal radionuclides of man made actinides in fish and seaweed.

                      When you think how large the Pacific Ocean is and that these radionuclides are now being tested and found in the ocean water off the West Coast, you can seed how horrible the problem is.

                      The person needs to cite the amounts of radionuclides released by Fukushima.


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      PT, my point above relates mainly to Buesselers crowd source testing of the U.S. and Canadian coast. This is where we see the reports of sick animals. Yes, there are high levels right around Fukushima. Ken gives the impression there is 1/5000 background at U.S. shores.

                      Please check this link which I provided in my above discussions and click on several of the latest test results for C-134. What do you find?

                      http://ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html#sthash.arOYTxCp.dpuf

                      How much does it cost to put an interactive video like Kens "our radioactive ocean" together, with all the graphics and everything? I take it as a high dollar downplaying PR effort by the nuke cartel, or perhaps just a misguided Buesseler.

                      Similarly, Goddards video is of high quality. Our anti nuke videos are cool in their own way…who cant appreciate the raw outspoken words of Kevin Blanch?

                      But its not actually winning the argument that is laid out by Goddard. Anti nukers arent "putting it all together" in clean professional videos. I cant convince my friends! Its bad.

                      Arnie Gunderson makes clean videos but we need one that draws a causative link from Fukushima to west coast animal mortality and public danger


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Woods Hole says that fishing is still prohibited near Fukushima because the fish are too radioactive to be eaten.


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      I am sorry I left the link off the WHOI article:

                      http://www.whoi.edu/news-release/fukushima-ucluelet


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Fukushima Daiichi Sea Releases Updated To 157 Billion Bq Per Day
                      August 27th, 2014
                      http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=13705


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      TEPCO Drops Bombshell About Sea Releases; 8 Billion Bq Per Day
                      August 26th, 2014 | Add a Comment
                      “TEPCO made the startling admission today at a press conference that the plant is leaking 8 billion bequerels per day. (8 gigabequerels)
                      5 billion bq of strontium 90
                      2 billion bq of cesium 137
                      1 billion bq of tritium * (later corrected to 150)
                      “This is the ongoing daily release to the Pacific. These release numbers are also within the realm of what some oceanographers have been warning about since last year, that there was an ongoing and considerable leak to the sea. According to journalist Ryuichi Kino TEPCO said this may be due to failings of some sort within the “glass” wall at the sea front. This is an underground wall made in the soil by injecting a solidifying agent to block water flow.
                      “This daily release would add up to 11,680,000,000,000 = 11 terabequerels over 4 years time in addition to the initial sea releases during the meltdowns.
                      “*** Update*** With a translation of a related portion of a TEPCO document released to METI just yesterday the total releases of this new admission are even higher than the 11 Tbq mentioned. The chart that can be seen here, shows the releases until 2014 were considerably higher. Releases dropped in 2014, likely due to work underway to try to block leaking water. TEPCO also has a section of where they think they will get once remediation work is finished that is lower yet, but that is not achieved yet based on the TEPCO document…


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      PT, I need to understand bio-accumulation? Many times I have posted bio-accumulation multipliers.

                      On the contrary, you need to understand why our best and brightest are showing ZERO Fukushima radiation on the west coast (except for the 'first time its been found' article) and why they continually downplay the seriousness of it.

                      If its so obviously dangerous as you state, then why isnt your cherished government doing something, saying something? Why isnt Ken saying so? What about Scripps? Why did the Alaska study with all the horrible photos say it was all OK and just the new normal of climate change?

                      PT, you dont have to correct MY thinking, you have to correct THEIR thinking. You have to prove it to Woods Hole, to the FBI, the CIA, to the White House, to the U.N. etc etc…

                      You always point your finger at me, like Im spreading pro nuke works, or that Im not understanding the seriousness. Try pointing your finger the other way. Im already convinced that the worlds biggest release of radionuclide poison is dangerously poisonous…I think most people get that. Why not you?


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      cont.
                      This drastically changes the estimated releases to the sea in total. We came up with a rough estimate of about 673 Tbq for 3 years at the 2013 rate, this would be in addition to any initial sea releases during the meltdowns.
                      “*** Update 2***
                      “It was pointed out last night that the tritium number quoted by TEPCO in the press conference does not match the graph they released to METI. The TEPCO rep gave the verbal reading of 1 billion bq per day. The chart shows 150 billion bq per day of tritium. The other numbers stated by the TEPCO rep seem to match the chart. This change increases the total numbers to 4710 billion bq per month at the current 2014 rate. The bulk of this is tritium. This number change would make one year at the 2014 rate 1,719,150 billion bq for an annual total 1.7 Petabecquerels in a year at this rate….”
                      http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=13700


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      There are no background levels of Cesium 134. So it has to come from Fukushima. This is in the Wood Hole article. So the elevation is not less than the background level of 0.
                      http://www.whoi.edu/news-release/fukushima-ucluelet


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      PT, thanks for the "link bombings"

                      The point remains that the world believes Fukushima radiation is barely measurable and thousands of times less than background levels at the U.S. and Canadian shores. Thus you will make little headway connecting Fukushima to animal mortality.

                      Why dont you put it all together and make a video? The endless links are helpful if someone were to put the energy into distilling the information. Do you have enough information now to make a case? Are you trying to convince me or the world?


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Hey Praising Truth…yeah you! Look at this site put together under the auspices of Ken Buesseler and Woods Hole. Tell me how many of the sites show ANY C-134

                      http://ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html#sthash.arOYTxCp.dpuf


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      There Is No "Safe" Exposure to Radiation
                      “…In the 1950s, Linus Pauling, the only two-time winner of the Nobel Prize, began warning the public about exposure to all radiation. This opinion, ultimately endorsed by thousands of scientists worldwide, led President John F. Kennedy to sign the nuclear test ban treaty.
                      In the 1960s, Drs. John Gofman, Arthur Tamplin, Alice Stewart, Thomas Mancuso and Karl Morgan, all researchers for the Atomic Energy Commission or the Department of Energy, independently came to the conclusion that exposure to nuclear radiation was not safe at any level.
                      The government terminated their services for coming up with what Dr. Gofman called the “wrong answer,” that is, the opposite of what the AEC wanted to hear. The top Russian nuclear physicist in the 1960s, Andrei Sakharov, also a Nobel Prize winner, and Vladimir Chernousenko, who the Soviet Union placed in charge of the Chernobyl cleanup, are among other international experts who drew similar conclusions.
                      To distract from the danger of man-made radioactivity, we hear from nuclear cheerleaders that watching TV and airline travel also expose us to radiation. True, although they never mention that flight crews have higher rates of breast and skin cancer. Equating those very different types of radiation is like equating the damage of being hit with ping pong balls (photons) with being hit by bullets (beta particles). Your TV doesn’t shoot bullets at you.
                      Even if your TV only shot a few bullets per…


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      cont.
                      “Even if your TV only shot a few bullets per show, you probably wouldn’t watch much TV. Furthermore, the damage done by these radioactive “bullets” can vary tremendously depending on which organs are hit. To carry the analogy one step further, spraying a few bullets into a large crowd can hardly be considered harmless even if the ratio of bullets per person is very low.
                      “Bioaccumulation increases the concentration of many contaminants as one moves up the food chain. Beef is much higher in dioxins than cattle feed and tuna fish have much higher mercury than their marine environment. Radioactive iodine, cesium, and strontium, all beta emitters, become concentrated in the food chain because of bioaccumulation. At the top of the food chain, of course, are humans, including fetuses, and human breast milk.
                      “In 1963, one week after an atmospheric nuclear bomb test in Russia, our scientists observed the magnifying power of bioaccumulation when they detected radioactive iodine in the thyroids of mammals in North America even though they could not detect smaller amounts in the air or on vegetation.
                      “Bioaccumulation is one reason why it is dishonest to equate the danger to humans living 5,000 miles away from Japan with the minute concentrations measured in our air. If we tried, we would now likely be able to measure radioactive iodine, cesium, and strontium bioaccumulating in human embryos in this country. Pregnant women, are you OK with that?…”
                      http://www.nationofchange


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      I guess you are a computer geek, because your link has nothing to do with the ocean:

                      http://ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html#sthash.arOYTxCp.dpuf


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      PT, look again. You say the site has nothing to do with the ocean. Open it again…what do you see? It says

                      " CENTER FOR MARINE AND ENVIRONMENTAL RADIATION
                      WOODS HOLE OCEANOGRAPHIC INSTITUTION

                      Current test results"

                      PT, click on the gray dots denoting test sample locations. How many show any C-134? One or two. Whats the ballpark average for C-137? 1 or 2 becquerels.

                      The site also says

                      "This Fukushima-derived cesium is far below where one might expect any measurable risk to human health or marine life, according to international health agencies. And it is more than 1000 times lower than acceptable limits in drinking water set by US EPA." http://ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html#sthash.arOYTxCp.Uyz9RrPK.dpuf


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Anyone can click on your link:
                      Your link is not from WHOI:
                      http://ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html#sthash.arOYTxCp.dpuf

                      I personally don't think the death of billions is a big joke. I cray for all the innocent children.

                      Here is their website:
                      http://www.whoi.edu/main/around-whoi

                      You have quoted in some of your comments:

                      November 11, 2014
                      http://ens-newswire.com/2014/11/11/fukushima-radioactive-cesium-found-off-california-coast/

                      Why don't you look at the latest research:

                      Trace Amounts of Fukushima Radioactivity Detected Along Shoreline of British Columbia
                      April 6, 2015
                      http://www.whoi.edu/news-release/fukushima-ucluelet


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                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Code it's a pretty simple concept concerning Manmade Nuclear Contamination, since any radioactive isotope that enters any organism is like a machine gun firing all the way through the body or plant etc. and then that radioactive isotope might exit the body undetected. Exit body or organism and not registered on any tests anywhere except only noticed when the cancer/disease starts after the invasion event.

                      These are not photons flying around and animals are now dying. :(
                      Bioaccumulation refers to the accumulation of substances, such as pesticides, or other chemicals in an organism. Bioaccumulation occurs when an organism absorbs a toxic substance at a rate greater than that at which the substance is lost.


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                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      So in the case of fish swimming through a swarm of radiation say 5 miles long. They are breathing and eating these radioactive isotopes and many are passing right through them and exiting.

                      Yet the radioactive machine guns are blaring the whole time doing damage to the organism internally as they pass through and exit.

                      So one cell needs approximately 90 mutations to create cancer /disease. I really think it is allot less than that on the realm of 4 to 8 mutations, but then what do I know. The key is the mutation rate created by those isotopes. If one isotope decides to settle in and fire for several months at the same cells then bam enough mutations of the same cell could overwhelm the immune system and create diseases and/or cancers.

                      This is how they get away with it!


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      PT, are you trying to twist my peanut into a knot? Just what do you mean anyone can click the link and see its not WHOI? You say my pointing out the zero to 1 bq of C134 is some joke? Why dont I look at the latest research? You mean the one I quoted above, the one where they finally found trace levels? If you dont mind me saying, you are fighting windmills just like Don Quixote.

                      Here is a quote from the site you think is not from Woods Hole. Maybe I dont understand…are you saying its a spoof or ruse orchestrated by Ken Buesseler or that maybe I created it to lead the world astray?

                      "The Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution has both the experience and facilities to monitor and track the spread of radionuclides released from Fukushima in the waters of the Pacific Coast of North America. The Institution and the Center for Marine and Environmental Radiation (CMER) are uniquely equipped to provide consistent, accurate assessment of both natural and manmade radiation in marine samples and is hosting this site to make this information readily available to everyone in a timely manner. "


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      obe…I follow you. The problem is convincing the public that the nuclear agencies, universities and Woods Hole are wrong. Wrong about the comparison to background radiation, or wrong about the measurements and certainly wrong about what a safe dose is.

                      Its not easy because as soon as someone finds out background radiation is 5000 or 10,000 times higher than what we are worried about, they feels its small potatoes.

                      Here is a list of some of the radionuclides called background and their radioactivity per meter. They include alpha and beta and gamma emitters

                      http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/natural.htm

                      Its our job to somehow differentiate these from anthropogenic sources and show that one is completely safe, the other horribly dangerous at 1/10,000 the level. I would look for tests of specific radionuclides at low levels for non linear toxic outliers, or nuclides in particle form…maybe it just comes down to fuel fleas, but I rather think theres more to it that people and scientists are not digging into. I would add that the agencies already try to make allowance for specific toxicities by their quality multiplication factors… Not good enough!


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      This is the link you gave several times.

                      Your link is not from WHOI:
                      http://ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html#sthash.arOYTxCp.dpuf

                      This is what I'm referring to. I googled Woods Hole and someone has committed a cybercrime in that when the person click on one of their links they get the one you have listed.

                      Whatever you are quoting with
                      http://ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html#sthash.arOYTxCp.dpuf

                      is no longer recoverable. I hope they find out this cybercrime soon and fix the problem.


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      For example, with this search result:

                      Search Results
                      1. Current Results – How Radioactive is Our Ocean?
                      ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html
                      • Samples collected by scientists and citizens for Our Radioactive Ocean are …. Scientists at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) found the trace …

                      When someone clicks on the link they should get:
                      http://ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html

                      But instead it reroutes to the crazy link you posted several times:

                      http://ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html#sthash.arOYTxCp.dpuf


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      wow, thats weird PT. But when I click the "correct" link, its identical in content and form to the "incorrect" one. To make sure, you can click the incorrect one and note the URL which is the same as the correct one. What do you make of it?

                      More to the point…how many of the tests showed zero C-134? You never answer that


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      PT where does WH say there was a cybercrime?


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      WH did not say there was a cybercrime. I said it is a cybercrime to reroute WH's website to nonsense. You can briefly see the original website before it reroutes to the nonsensical video.


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      dont know what you are talking about PT. Everytime I click the link, either the one I listed or the one you listed, it brings me to an identical site, and I see no nonsensical video.

                      What are the levels that Ken Buesseler is recording off the coast of the U.S. and canada, besides the one reading of about 1.5 bq C134 and 4.5 Bq C137? He lists many test sites on his nice web page. What are the readings for C-134? Are said readings (below .2 becquerels per meter) able to cause radiation sickness? Do you believe the readings? What do you think is causing the illness and mortality of all the sea life there? Can you convince co workers, family and friends?


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                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    PT, I have a job for you, should you wish to take it; Find all the Fukushima released radionuclides of importance and what their relative amounts are compared to C-137. So for every becquerel of C-137, how much strontium-90 can we expect? For every Becquerel of C-137, what is the Total radioactivity, minus previous ocean levels?

                    Then, make a few assumptions on bioaccumulation. Dr Goodheart has some figures. How radioactive then would you expect the fish to be in Alaska? The whales, the sea lions? Bq/kg. Now compare this to the amount of radioactivity that is normally accepted to produce radiation sickness. Does it match up?

                    If not, then perhaps our efforts are better spent looking for stand out low level toxicity from specific radionuclides that dont fit into the EPA or IAEA guidelines. Heavy metal effects, or fuel flea/buckyball toxicity effects. We need firm figures for this to argue places like all the Universities and government agencies and the UN etc…


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              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                The murder mystery is now sadly found all around us and all one has to do is hold a steak knife and lock yourself in a bathroom in order to end your own pain and personal cancer for you and millions of other's Nuclear nightmare!

                Guns trump knives every time! :( These officers where scared out of their minds.
                http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3073036/Georgia-police-shoot-dead-cancer-ridden-72-year-old-man-claim-charged-officers-steak-knife.html

                We are killing our own! :(


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              • melting mermaid melting mermaid

                You know what I would like to do, Codeshutdown. Drive to Boston, pick up bo, then drive to your house and TAS. Yall game? I would love love to meet you both. I'm harmless. You can ask Nedli. Or yall can come up here and enjoy some beautiful nature, because I live in a magical forest and I am a ridiculously good hostess.


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            • Exactly I noticed that same point just this week…maybe great minds think alike, or the 100 monkey discovery rule.

              since CS-134 is down to 25%, 2 half lives have passed and if their detection limit is 2Bq/M3 then it would have had to have been 8 Bq/M3 at the beginning.

              But CS134 is minor in relation to CS137 in the source term percentages.
              Refer here 192 Kg CS134 compared to 2987 Kg CS137
              http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2015/05/even-anti-nukes-are-way-underestimating.html

              If all of the CS137 were released into the Pacific ocean it would only jack it up by 15 B1/M3

              So Kenny is saying its 4 or 5 now, used to be 1, and he thinks it might peak in the next year or 2 at 18 and be "fine" after that.

              Kenny boy is talking out of his arse, with shite that makes no sense.

              But the other reality I came up with today…the levels being measured in the ocean are after filtering….indeed, the plankton and fishes are filtering the radionuclides from the water on a continuous basis….so the measurements now are already "filtered" maybe we will peak in ocean measurements soon….because the plant and animal life will have captured the radiation.

              hmmmmm, is that a good thing? Why are they measuring only the water, with lip service measurements to fish and plants? Ya, they know exactly how they are lying, and they shall receive a special place in hell. But that does us no good now.

              stock out


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              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                stock, the point on plankton and plants filtering the water is a big part of the picture. I believe Kenny himself measured some half million times more radioactivity in the mud in the black sea compared to the water.

                The plankton accumulates 10,000x, dies, and sinks. Of course the fish and whales get a huge dose first. But I think the "powers" are counting on it. Thing is, the stuff remains in layers at the bottom, messing up the microbial life and getting stirred up with storms. Walrus stir it up…maybe there is a relationship of animal sickness to locals where the mud is stirred, like around walrus feeding grounds or strong currents and river mouths.

                for reference, Buesselers current detection limit is about 0.1 Bq/m3 for 137Cs and 0.2 Bq/m3 for 134Cs. This is ten times better than your assumption above. I think its strange there is essentially zero detection of 134C from the worlds top oceanographic lab…


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            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

              Your pro-Nuke statements very rarely or never read as sarcasm. This goes not only for me, but especially one time visitors to this website.

              And I really don't know what study your are referring to. There are so many studies referenced on this site. There must be over a thousand studies referenced on this site.


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              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                This statement was addressed to Code.


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              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                PT, Youve BUSTED me! Ive ALWAYS been PRO NUKE

                wait……wait for it….. SARCASM…S A R C A S M

                (ess, eh, are, see, aye, ass, am)

                But, hey what did I do WRONG? Woods Hole measures ZERO Fukushima radiation and EVERY scientist says its low compared to background anyway and nobody has proven this wrong, Im going with the obvious conclusion; Dump all nuke waste in the ocean

                ….here it comes again……..SARC; cynicism, derision, irony, mockery, ridicule, acrimony, disparagement, mordancy

                still, Im not convinced…AM I or am I not pro nuclear? She is, she is not, she is, she is not, she is…….DOH, danged mutated daisy!

                check it out PT, how much fukushima source radiation is measured by Kens crowd source effort? The people are involved, they feel good, they are doing something about it…whew…and the results are IN; (did we prove him wrong?)

                http://ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html#sthash.arOYTxCp.dpuf


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                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                  Posting another proNuke propaganda video.

                  It doesn't matter whether you are proNuke or not. When you post proNuke propaganda it needs to see a correction to the truth.

                  There is nothing personal about correcting propaganda with scientific proof.


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                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    OK PT I will keep it in mind to correct the mistakes and lies of the pro nuke pieces. Care to take on Woods Hole? Whats up with the zero detected C134? You are on my case but you arent on Kens case. Do you believe the test results?

                    On a side note, I just watched your link "red alert" wherein the commentator is outspoken about government cover up of the large levels of radioactive iodine and cesium. Well theres a huge impediment toward ending nuclear right there, wouldnt you agree? What would you do with that pro nuke government that holds the puppet strings of our regulatory officials? Sorry, its a sore point; you cant complain about the bullets but protect the mob.


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                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      I don't protect the mob. I vote for the Green Party as I've said many, many times.

                      I've posted many things that shows Buessler is wrong, and I will post more before the week is over. \

                      Sorry that I can't be online all the time.

                      Right now there is interestingly enough both you and whiteaglesoaring needing answers.

                      But I don't have time right this minute to be online, and am extremely busy until school is out the end of May.

                      Your innuendo and attacks on me tell your own story, not mine.

                      And who do you vote for? I voted for Dr. Jill Stein who doesn't take corporate donations, is against the Keystone Pipeline which is only to ship Canadian oil overseas and will never be used by the American people for anything. She is also opposed to nuclear energy and is for solar and wind.

                      It is the proNuke statements that protect the mob. That is definitely not me. I don't believe in writing misleading proNuke statements or posting their videos.


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      duly noted PT. I was hoping to vote for either Bugs Bunny or Cynthia McKinney, with a slight preference for the latter. I think she had more sass than your Stein…who by the way was chained to a chair during the debates. Alas, nobody of substance ever gets voted for, so it appears a waste of time. Its like voting for a neighborhood leader from the mob. First deconstruct the corrupt system, THEN vote

                      The damage to anti nuke movement does not come from me…I didnt make those videos or the crowd source Buesseler program. I posted the links, as Im sure 99% were aware, to show what we are up against and how little we are doing to counter the low/no dose pro nuker theme.

                      How can you make headway against Woods Hole's nicely done interactive website showing zero Fukushima radiation? Give it a try instead of trying to "out me" as a pro nuker…I urge you


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                    • irhologram

                      Code. -PT votes for the Green Party. We have no Green Party. Notice I refer to -PT…because it is minus self adjustment brought about by reasoning if debate is sincere.

                      You will notice I don't engage with -PT anymore. Conversation is fruitless because it is only one way. "By their fruits ye shall know them."


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                • penny penny

                  If that subliminal sarcasm (see, I ass am) was intentional, it's pretty funny, CodeShutdown. Sarc aside, your points are pellucid.

                  If a single message is desired, would it not be simplest to hammer home the "apples and oranges" message? That man-made, ionizing radiation has nothing to do with natural background radiation, with a dumbed-down metaphor that everybody gets immediately. Okay, it's not apples v. oranges, but bombs v. bananas…

                  As for "what kind of video works best", it seems to me that ALL kinds are needed, people being not a homogeneous mass. There are many brilliant videos out there already. The trouble is, the channels of communication are controlled. I'd be interested in hearing irhologram's ideas from years back.

                  On another note: Voting in this country is supposed to be a private affair, and it would be nice if, some day in an imaginary future, people would stick to discussing the issues (on the appropriate forum) rather than waving their favorite candidate's name like a banner. And implying that only a vote for that candidate is ideologically pure. Let's leave the Thought Police at the donut shop, where they belong.


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            • bo bo

              @code

              Epic Jim Carrey karaoke
              'I started a joke'
              MILLIONx better than the original – soulful

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONoMfqxkVOc&feature=youtube_gdata_player


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  • rogerthat

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/05/07/national/crime-legal/kagoshima-residents-appeal-courts-go-ahead-to-restart-sendai-reactors/#.VUyJZUJB-S0

    Kagoshima residents appeal court’s go-ahead to restart Sendai reactors
    KYODO
    MAY 7, 2015

    KAGOSHIMA – Residents have appealed a court decision last month dismissing calls to prevent two reactors from being restarted at the Sendai nuclear power plant in Kagoshima Prefecture.

    The appeal, filed Wednesday with the Fukuoka High Court’s Miyazaki branch, disputes the Kagoshima District Court’s rejection of a local call for an injunction on restarting reactor Nos. 1 and 2 at the plant, which is run by Kyushu Electric Power Co. in Satsumasendai.

    While the government of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is pushing to restart reactors taken offline after the 2011 triple core meltdown in Fukushima, many in the country remain opposed because of lingering safety concerns about utilities’ ability to control atomic power.

    On April 22, the district court ruled that there were no “irrationalities” in the new safety standards adopted after the crisis at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant, and that, having cleared those standards, the Sendai plant is fit for operation.

    At a news conference, lawyers representing the residents said many parts of the district court’s decision were logically unsound and that the plaintiffs are hoping for a new ruling before the reactors come back online. …


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "The number of Fukushima workers who were exposed more than 5mSv increased to 10 times from this January to March.

    "This is from Tepco’s report on exposure dose of Fukushima workers, which was published on 4/30/2015.

    "From this report, the workers who were exposed 5 – 20 mSv in January was 57. It increased to 327 in February and it became 585 in March.

    "The ratio to the total workers increased from 0.51% to 4.94% as well (Graph attached below).

    "The reason is not announced but this trend suggests increasing number of workers are sent to highly contaminated areas of Fukushima plant."

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2015/05/highly-exposed-workers-increased-10-times-from-january-to-march-in-fukushima-plant/


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "Prof. Aoyama from Fukushima University Institute of Environmental Radioactivity reported that 800 tera Bq (800,000,000,000,000 Bq) of Cesium-137 is going to reach West Coast of North America by 2016. The amount to reach of other nuclides such as Cs-134 and other nuclides are not officially announced.

    "This is 5% of the total Cs-137 amount discharged to the Pacific."

    http://anago.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dqnplus/1429877329/

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2015/04/fukushima-uni-800000000000000-bq-of-cs-137-to-reach-west-coast-of-north-america-by-2016/


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Recent Fukushima Update by Arnie Gundersen:

    "In April of 2015, Fairewinds’ Chief Engineer, Arnie Gundersen and the Fairewinds crew headed to Quebec City for the World Uranium Symposium. Attended by more than 300 delegates from 20 countries that produce uranium for nuclear power and weapons, the symposium brought together experts who are calling on governments throughout the world to end all uranium mining. In this speech about the Fukushima Daiichi Disaster, Fairewinds Arnie Gundersen introduces new scientific evidence to prove high radiation exposures in Japan. Enjoy the World Uranium Symposium 2015 Fukushima Workshop here!

    "- See more at: http://www.fairewinds.org/world-uranium-symposium-2015-fukushima-workshop/#sthash.9lcb0LIT.dpuf"

    http://www.fairewinds.org/world-uranium-symposium-2015-fukushima-workshop/#sthash.9lcb0LIT.dpbs


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    • from a distance from a distance

      Thank you Philip

      Very important what Arnie says here:

      "And the Japanese and TEPCO, hand in glove, want to assure the world that the situation is under control. It is not. We have a half a trillion-dollar problem that may take 200 years to solve."

      To reiterate:

      * not under control
      * half a trillion dollars!
      * 200 years to solve

      Meanwhile, nuclear energy is being pushed onto poor countries.

      How is a poor country ever going to be able to come up with billions of dollars, a half a trillion dollars, to "contain" a meltdown. They wouldn't be able to, and might therefore have to walk away from a meltdown…

      We ALL suffer then.

      >> The pushing of nuclear energy around the world really needs to be scrutinized.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    More nfo. On Fukushima radiation dispersal:
    "Abstract
    "Following the March 2011 Fukushima disaster, large amounts of water contaminated with radionuclides, including Cesium-137, were released into the Pacific Ocean. With a half-life of 30.1 years, Cs-137 has the potential to travel large distances within the ocean. Using an ensemble of regional eddy-resolving simulations, this study investigates the long-term ventilation pathways of the leaked Cs-137 in the North Pacific Ocean. The simulations suggest that the contaminated plume would have been rapidly diluted below 10,000 Bq/m3 by the energetic Kuroshio Current and Kurushio Extension by July 2011. Based on our source function of 22 Bq/m3, which sits at the upper range of the published estimates, waters with Cs-137 concentrations >10 Bq/m3 are projected to reach the northwestern American coast and the Hawaiian archipelago by early 2014. Driven by quasi-zonal oceanic jets, shelf waters north of 45°N experience Cs-137 levels of 10–30 Bq/m3 between 2014 and 2020, while the Californian coast is projected to see lower concentrations (10–20 Bq/m3) slightly later (2016–2025). This late but prolonged exposure is related to subsurface pathways of mode waters, where Cs-137 is subducted toward the subtropics before being upwelled from deeper sources along the southern Californian coast. The model suggests that Fukushima-derived Cs-137 will penetrate the interior ocean and spread to other oceanic basins over the next two decades…"


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Japan seems to me to be just the right country to have no nuclear plants at all.
    http://api.ning.com/files/dFIfAkRs7RPIPe6UpyOZCkeDnnM8G6QMMZl4Bb61d2ENVP0Bcke-gR6To7QbJoWL8Apnt3YBnMxYxn*0nICaEaM0n70x1ibX/ActiveVolcanoJapan.jpg?width=670

    The tsunami destroyed water cooling pumps for Reactors1-4 at FDNPP, plus those at other nuclear reactor sites up and down the shoreline, which Arnie G. discussed in his seminar talk. Even had the backup generators been working, without the pumps, cooling the reactors would have been impossible. Arnie G. covers this in his talk, linked above.

    Have a great weekend, everybody.

    And don't worry about all that cesium in your house dust. ;)


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  • It's going to take me awhile but I want gather all the disclaimers from various agency such as EPA and NPP sites where they explain their radiation dosage assessments. The disclaimer at the end regarding *low level damage* almost always says something like *More studies need to be done* *we don't have enough long term data on effects*.

    When I first discovered ENENEWS and was considering purchasing a Geiger counter, I scoured many worldwide NPP and gov sites to see what their equipment looked like, how they measured and how they interpreted data or described effects on their public pages. It was eye opening to realize most official statements also admitted they needed further studies and knowledge to project longer low level exposure effects. I believe it would be helpful to quote and link those disclaimers in any comments we make to the outside world.

    Thank you all for your posts up above. It IS a communication challenge that needs to be addressed. People turn off their ears when drowned by 1000's of dry statistics.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    “of a severity that can’t be imagined anywhere else”;

    But then there is fashion.
    The so-called hipness of the clothes jockey industry.

    Chernobyl and Its Radiant Creative Culture Lures New Yorkers

    "Just as the Girls tour of Greenpoint generated buzz about that secluded, environmental hazard-plagued, northern nook of Brook, the Chernobyl Diaries tour of Chernobyl has already begun generating excitement and lifting the stigma surrounding the abandoned nuclear power plant and its environs. As they may or may not say in real estate, “it was only a matter of time.”

    Removing stigma?
    Why don't they take all their fancy flippin clothes and go mop up some isotopes or something?
    Perhaps ..pick up a one of those rags and stuff it in their mouths?
    Quit trying to tell people it's cool to look like the arse end of a bug.

    Chernobyl and Its Radiant Creative Culture Lures New Yorkers
    May 4 2015

    http://flavorwire.com/517260/chernobyl-and-its-radiant-creative-culture-lures-new-yorkers

    https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/screen-shot-2015-05-04-at-12-34-03-pm.png


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  • Sol Man

    Between FDNPP Chernobyl fires, WIPP, and voc's being ingested we may be able to quicken the pace of finishing ourselves off, not the corporations, of course.

    Breathe in the voc's and they go from lungs to blood to the brain (and the rest of the body,) but here in the fatty brain they do the most damage emulsifying the fat into the blood to be carried away some to be used for energy and the rest to be excreted out via the digestive pathway out.

    So the more of the voc-laden air that we are subjected to, the more of our brain that will be dissolved and passed out. I am working to keep this description user-friendly here as there are other more graphic way to describe what is happening. You get the picture. That is the hypothesis.

    It is probably the same as it once was, voc's were used in the meat/sausage industry to clean the machinery of fat. It went down the drain. Perhaps, a bit OT, but it is something else to think about that won't show up on msm.

    No wonder there are voids in the brain. Our ability to put two and two together is in jeopardy. What do you think?


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  • mt1000

    nukers pressure Nigeria to get in the game – 1976
    http://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1976LAGOS10153_b.html

    I wonder how much rad waste they dumped there.
    They often use abandoned wells to dump waste.


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  • yohananw

    in defense of enenews critique at http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/ENENews I wrote http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Talk:ENENews

    Although the enenews open forums can sometimes veer off into the domain of ELECHAT (extinction level event talk), the anonymous anti-nuke editors of the popular ENENEWS.com (ENEergy NEWS) provide a good service in their popular digest on nuclear news.

    Especially notable are some of the ENENEWS subject forums which included some signed reports which are open to reliability and validity testing. For example the forum on possibly related signs and symptoms of radioactive exposures provides an invaluable anecdotal base for study. Some of the enenews forums can be seen as part of citizen science.

    There is a public need for Enenews given the high levels of information blocking, disinformation and suppression of whistleblowers by governments, industries and their nuclear regulatory agents which quickly become apparent to any rational person with open eyes and mind who studies nuclear history. Although there are other sites on nuclear disasters, energy-environment and health physics which are less popular and more technical — and each with its own agenda and sides on nuclear issues, this doesnt minimize the importance and quality of enenews.

    In short, I disagree with the current rationalwiki entry which claims that enenews.com is fear mongering. In fact all rational people should be afraid about nuclear energy, weapons, waste, pollution and its…


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Those cling~ons can be a pain in the ass!


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