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Well…
… Going on 16 months now, and counting.
Good to know that R3 is in TEPCO's thoughts.
Because the world will feel it's effects forever.
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a camera on a crane!!
how many planning committees were needed for that then??
what type of camera, what type of crane.. how long to develop, process, assess, photoshop etc??
the monthly pr campaign materials for msm are underway arent they?.. end of the month cheques from big corp to little corp…
hope the pic quality is good, how about a peak at the other 2?
cant wait for the new scientist "headline" on this non story..
wonder if the author will put his name to it?? lol!
cant wait!
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Imagine all the preparation involved. TPTB has to rent out the east wing of the 13th floor in the google skyscraper, and hire hundreds of personel to manage this disaster. Access to all the latest photoshop technology and tools. What sort of dirty deeds and handshakes have gone on in that building? What a scandal!
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Are you sure ILM isn't involved? National security and all…
No-bid contracts, big $$$ – biz as usual.
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By "operating floor" I assume they mean service floor per your link to the reactor building blueprints.
The plan sounds very much like what they did with reactor building #4. At the service floor level they'll have access to the SPF, reactor well and "tool" pit/pool.
Given that the explosion at reactor building #3 was far more catastrophic than the others, this building is likely more fragile. If they don't go though with this demolition of the remaining upper bay support walls or stop part way through the process, that could signal a real problem.
This is going to get real interesting real soon.
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flats,
I'm gonna guess it's in conjunction with them viewing the torus room also.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2012/07/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-reactor-3-torus.html
Hopefully they'll look at more than just the SFP this time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMpGVfU2jtI
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p.s.
I spy by camera over head…
… Where's Waldo in the torus room.
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The complete lack of urgency is astounding. It only blew up and melted down, why rush into looking at the damage, take a year and a half. Mean while use plastic pipes and electrical system with single points of failure.
If it was a priority they would have a much better solution in place, like emptying the good fuel pools and using them to store the bad fuel, and that means removing the fuel that is 30 meters in the air in broken buildings, all 4 buildings.
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Yes … My thoughts exactly … If we have learned anything from this it is, "Oh Shit … Take that spent fuel out of the airborne pools and dry cask it for temporary (50 – 100 years) storage WHERE YOU STILL CAN" i.e. where you have working gantry cranes and not-yet-blown-up-reactor buildings … at Fort Calhoun, at Vermont Yankee, and at every stupid nuclear plant everywhere ….
Not doing this is the single biggest proof we have that this industry and its toady regulators have a collective death wish …
NRC is rogue agency not doing its job …
Wonder why the 1% put up with this … their air-water-food getting contaminated, too. Guess the rich bankers, hedge fund folks and VC guys are as helpless and impotent against Big Nuclear as the rest of us …
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TEPCO is operating on a 30 year plan, so taking a year and a half just to take photos of Fuku3 wreckage is real progress to them. Remember that Fuku COSTS TEPCO MONEY, it doesn't MAKE THEM MONEY. Therefore, making progress cleaning up Fuku will NEVER be a priority for TEP.gov. Remember, citizens of the world, your cancers cannot be specifically traced to back to Fuku, so lawsuits from all over the world will be thrown out. So no hurry. TEPCO has an entire Ocean to contaminate. And an entire planet.
Expect a Unit3 Plan similar to Unit4 Plan to be announced in about a month. They will remove debris to the level of the operating floor. They will build a crane frame similar to the structure being built over Unit4, and will remove spent fuel in containers. Eventually, Containment3 and Reactor3 will be removed. (Taken where?) Then Corium3 will be dug out of the bedrock. Should be interesting. I think the Russians had a better idea, with their sarcophagus.
As for the 1%, these people hold the vast majority of utility stock and bonds, through their own stocks and bonds, and through their ownership of banks, insurance companies, and holding companies. These people only make money if the nuke industry continues using unsafe practices to operate nukes full of design flaws well past their design lifetimes.
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phillip,
>>>Then Corium3 will be dug out of the bedrock. Should be interesting. I think the Russians had a better idea, with their sarcophagus.<<<
The Soviets essentially conscripted miners from a neighboring region to dig under the reactor to place a large refrigeration unit below the leaking corium. When that plan proved untenable, the pumped-in concrete creating a super thick pad below the corium and built a sarcophagus on top.
Digging out the corium was not an option. I doubt it will be at Fukushima as well.
It was a herculaneum effort completed in seven months…and it was stop-gap measure on the longer timeline.
The sarcophagus needs replacing. The remains of the reactor are still spewing, making the concrete deteriorate There's been no mention of where the corium is on its descent through the building and the concrete pad to the water table.
Hundreds of thousands of liquidators either died or became chronically ill trying to mitigate that mess…and it ain't over.
We've seen nothing like that effort in Japan.
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Because nobody in the USSR worried about payimg for the sarcophagus over Chernobyl. Meanwhile, at Fukushima, keeping costs down is the only consideration.
flatsville: Right you are. There was a tremendous cost to the workers at Chernobyl. And the sarcophagus must be continuously rebuilt well into the future. I suppose if the only choices were communism or capitalism, the choice would be difficult. But the capitalist choice of doing the bare minimum just isn't working out very well for us at Fuku.
Unit3 remains too hot for humans to work in. I agree that digging out the coriums isn't going to be practical. If you don't dig out the coriums, and if it is impossible to keep the coriums from sputtering and spewing contamination into water and air, then this Fukumess will never be cleaned up. Never.
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By now you would think someone somewhere would have proposed a solution to deal with the corium from below.
After 26 years, there have been changes in mining technology that may be adaptable to this situation.
>>>Because nobody in the USSR worried about payimg for the sarcophagus over Chernobyl. Meanwhile, at Fukushima, keeping costs down is the only consideration.<<<
Yes. Agreed.
Apparently the corporatists in charge haven't figured out that killing your customers and wrecking the reproductive health of the survivors is no way to enhance the bottom line. Dead people and the "unborn" don't use much electricity.
But, IIRC, Tepco is now nationalized, so it is really JapGov who is in charge…so to speak.
They should bring in Gorbachev, partially or fully nationalize other industries necessary to mitigate this mess, marshal the military and just stand back and watch him get the job done.
Without that kind of effort, this will continue to be a clusterfuku.
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How can you bring death and illness on this scale and figure you are responding appropriately to the situation? How can the preservation of the nuke industry be considered more important than public health? The corruption of capitalism that we see in Libor and Fuku runs to the very heart of the corporate state. It all must go. Shut down all nukes now.
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It's hard to comprehend the depth of evil in these people, who are the 'leaders' of the world, because we don't have that depth of evil within us.
Even if we read of it in a book, we wouldn't believe it. It would be too 'unimaginable'.
This depth of evil is greater than anything we could ever imagine. We must attempt to understand, and acknowledge, this if we are to stop it. The fate of the human race depends on it.
They're killing the children first.
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"They are killing the children first."
I well remember my disbelief watching 911 unfold. The pain I felt at the realization that somewhere on the earth, there were people so consumed with hatred, that they could look at an airplane loaded with men, women, and children, and see only a missile. That they could look at the magnificent Twin Towers filled with men, women, and children, and see only a target.
Now come the 311 criminals, who bring disease and ruin to everyone on Earth, but have in their minds only the preservation of their corporations, their nuke industry. The lie that Fuku is in "cold shutdown", the lie that Fuku happened in the past, and that all that remains now is the cleanup. The lie that if it had been worse, evacuation of Tokyo might have been necessary. Instead, we have lost an entire nation, together with most of her people. A wonderful and ancient culture of respect for others and security within the group. We shipped our GE reactors to Japan. In return, we get a contaminated Pacific Ocean, poisoned California fields, and radioactive cherry and apple trees in Washington. And millions of cancers in our people. Thank you, nuke industry! For 60 years of power production, you render Planet Earth uninhabitable for 100,000 years. And YOU DARE to dismiss wind and solar as impractical! Nuke power is impractical. Nuke power is the greatest EVIL in the dismal history of the human race. Give it up now, while you still can. Pray for your…
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Interesting:
http://www.purpleboard.net/forums/showthread.php?p=10914937#post10914937
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Feliks,
Link takes me to log in page…
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Years of meetings and study later…
TEPCO: "Wait… What? We have a Nuclear Plant? Oh, man, I'm so wasted right now…"
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Is it…
I Spy
http://www.scholastic.com/ispy/
or
Where's Waldo
http://whereswaldo.com/index.html#home
… that TEPCO is planning on playing?
(I felt this to be appropriate mockery of the situ at TEPCO's Fuku)
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Sorry, but interestong discus
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will that crawler crane be human-driven, or entirely robotic ?
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Don't know, but the radiation inside 2 and 3 is pretty hostile:
http://enformable.com/2012/03/workers-at-fukushima-daiichi-enter-reactors-2-and-3-to-investigate-suppression-chambers/
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TEPCO is sending 11 TEPCO employees and one robot (Survey Runner, which looks like a smaller version of Quince and has already gone inside Reactor 2's Torus Room in April this year – down to the basement of Reactor 3 to survey the inside of the Torus Room. Planned radiation exposure for the human workers is 8 millisieverts.
No information of how long each worker will have to stay there to assist their robot co-worker. They won't go inside the Torus Room, as the very high radiation levels are expected inside. Instead, Survey Runner will go. The human workers will carry the robot through the narrow passage in the basement to the Torus Room door, which they will open for the robot.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-reactor-3-torus.html
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They took dose rates of this area of Unit #3 several weeks ago and found significant dose rates right above the reactor vessel. With the huge hydrogen/prompt critical explosion at this unit most likely the covers to the reactor (drywell and RPV heads)have been lifted up from the reactor vessel. Additionally the concrete shielding blocks on the refueling floor were lifted up also. With these occurrences most likely there are fuel particles or fragments on the refueling floor.
This prior survey showed dose rates that were not that high except directly over the core in the middle of the floor. Why do they now have to film the floor remotely with such caution? My best guess would be that there is a continuing situation on the floor that may be changing. There may be direct release pathway from the core to the refueling floor and outside air. If that is the case then airborne activity levels may be extremely high and dangerous, and dose rates may also be very unstable.
Although there is greater concern over the spent fuel pool in unit #4, all these fuel pools present a huge hazard. For the millionth time why is this all taking so long?
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Thanks for recapping the assessment of the structure.
>>>Additionally the concrete shielding blocks on the refueling floor were lifted up also.<<<
Based on what you're saying it sounds like the #3 service/refueling floor is severely damaged and hot.
>>>With the huge hydrogen/prompt critical explosion at this unit most likely the covers to the reactor (drywell and RPV heads)have been lifted up from the reactor vessel.<<<
I've often wondered what happened to that huge concrete drywell cap…blown up and gaping…blown off and to the side??…blown to smitherenes??? We may find out soon.
It doesn't sound like they'll be parking anything on the service floor even if it is supported by steel plates.
I doubt they'll get much further than taking down what remains of the outside support bay walls and manage some debris removal. They'll likely have to do that from the exterior ground level.
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1) a wireless camera in a high radiation environment seems doomed to fail.
2) the crane is a poor way to manuever a camera
3) the japanese need to go all samurai and bonzai charge these reactors with thousands of people to haul all the debris out, so the really dangerous stuff can be hauled out.
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What they can get to will get scraped into the ocean. What they can't scrape will be left to be exposed to atmosphere. There's no support for a sarcophagus on the liquified ground underneath the facility.
That's all there is now.
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A sarcophagus is most certainly possible at Fuku. The sandstone under Fuku can indeed support a properly designed sarcophagus. The geology under Fuku has been studied, and is well known to be a suitable base for the construction of large concrete structures. This same sandstone will serve as the foundation for a properly constructed sarcophagus. If the foundation is 100' deep into bedrock, and is 100' wide, certainly this foundation will properly support a sarcophagus built with supporting butresses around Buildings1,2,&3. TimeIsShort, can we PLEASE discontinue the TEPCO myth that a sarcophagus is not possible at Fuku?
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I have often wondered if it were possible to locate the flow of corium in each reactor building and direct the flows using drilled shafts (from below) into prepared containers where they could be treated and cooled and perhaps eventually removed.
Barring future earthquakes and tsunami, this might work…???
The technology to do something like this might be available now.
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Ya think they maybe could have thought of this say 3 weeks after the disaster?
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Interesting document about atomic origins :
http://ecology.pnnl.gov/library/History/Hanford-History-All.pdf
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le%C3%B3_Szil%C3%A1rd
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I wonder how long that camera will last: minutes or seconds??
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I'm guessing while waiting for Unit 3 to cool down, a special camera had to be rigged to withstand the radiation since containment was destroyed in Unit 3.
It will be like the kid's game of pickup-sticks while removing rubble except any wrong moves disturbs the radioactive dust and debris getting it airborne. Probably need a 3-D camera with a CAD program to plan correctly for removal of radioactive scattered and deformed parts of the building.
Most all Unit 4 radioactively is in its SFP so the water is the protection or shield. Unit 4's de-construction is a cakewalk compared to what Units 3 or 2 or 1 will be.
Here starting @ 22:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AygAYffoiuo&feature=related
there will be later shown a drawing of where some of the corium (nuke lava) had been located at Chernobyl. Since Chernobyl had no containment, the corium flowed freely. Now, decades later, disturbing or allowing any radioactive dust to get airborne is a major concern while the site continues to deteriorate as the rush to replace the hastily built old sarcophagus was a a new sarcophagus is ongoing (a trillion dollars in new costs?). The entire documentary is sad.
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Actually there are camera's that can withstand very high radiation. When refueling camera's are used, and they are used inside the reactor pressure vessel when non refueling work is going on. I am not an expert as far as cameras, I just have seen it done many times.
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Survey Robot died in unit 3…… according to a report on Fukushima Diary……
http://fukushima-diary.com/
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The atmospheric dose was 360 mSv/h.
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for KONDY:
a child enveloped in Love, secure,
a vision of Earth where Peace endures,
each Child of Humanity with safeguarded Future -
is that not an ideal most humans would nurture?
I see your avatar as a reminder
that however much it hurts without blinders
we must look past our fear and promoted illusions
to bring about those aspirations
that exalt Humanity through all tribulations.
I am glad you dropped by. I've always wanted to tell you how appropriate I feel your avatar is, a poignant reminder of what is worth fighting for.
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Wow, thanks Or-well! Glad to see you on the site, it has been a while. Hope your health is good, sure love to see your poems.
I dearly love animals, children and old people – maybe cause they are the innocents……
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No one can go in building 3. Remember, when it blew up they reported that plutonium 'chunks' were found up to 3 miles from number 3. Alot of very radioactive shit fell straight down, and is in the remains of the building.
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