CBS: Tepco says fuel removal even worse than Gundersen’s analogy — It’s like pulling ‘lit’ cigarettes from a crushed pack — Going to get far more difficult in future (VIDEO)

Published: January 27th, 2014 at 8:35 pm ET


CBS News, Jan. 27, 2014 at 7:07p ET:

CBS: I’ve read an analogy that this is like removing  a cigarette from a crushed pack.

TEPCO: Take that analogy and imagine that it’s like the cigarette in that box is lit.

CBS: So you’re saying it’s even more difficult than that?

TEPCO: I think so.

CBS: Ono told us they have removed 15 percent of the fuel from Reactor 4. But it will be far more difficult to retrieve fuel from three reactors that melted down. Those are so radioactive that the technology to dismantle them does not exist yet.

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Published: January 27th, 2014 at 8:35 pm ET


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146 comments to CBS: Tepco says fuel removal even worse than Gundersen’s analogy — It’s like pulling ‘lit’ cigarettes from a crushed pack — Going to get far more difficult in future (VIDEO)

  • Ontological Ontological

    "Ono said they have removed 15 percent of the fuel from Reactor 4. But it will be far more difficult to retrieve fuel from the other three reactors that melted down. Those are so radioactive that the technology to dismantle them does not exist yet".

    There is that term "technology does not exist yet".

    Should have thought of that before you all constructed these stupid plutonium plants world wide.

    • Proton

      Yeah really…

      they should focus on putting all of they're damn plutonium back up their asses

    • Ontological Ontological

      BTW I heard the "Marble Row" cigarette guy died, he musta smoked that lit one.

    • hbjon hbjon

      How ridiculous of an analogy. It seems that finding explanations to pieces of this puzzle we call Fukushima, always involves playing cards against a hand full of jokers. Tepco is doing all the interpreting of all the scenarios. None of us have the benefit of real, live, observations.

      Another valid analogy could be said that defueling Unit 4 is like looking for a cigarette in a haystack after they've both burnt to ashes.

      The fuel pool went dry and the building blew to smithereens. You make the call.

      • rogerthat

        ''Another valid analogy could be said that defueling Unit 4 is like looking for a cigarette in a haystack after they've both burnt to ashes.
        The fuel pool went dry and the building blew to smithereens. You make the call.''

        Well said. The technology does not exist to stop Tepco from lying, but hey, maybe in 40 years' time all these wonderful scientists will have found a way to stem the tide and we'll all be saved. Not from the radiation, just from the bullish*t.

    • RonM RonM

      If they can successfully remove all the fuel rod assemblies from the #4 reactor storage pool the Fukushima disaster will be reduced from an 11 back to a 10 on the 1-10 scale with 10 being the worst.

      Instead of LOL

      I am inaugurating a new internet abbreviation


      tons of tears!

    • artika rama

      ontological Its true the technology does not exsit yet ,, meaning nobody could even go near those units let alone building huge cranes over them and pretend they are emptying the fuel pools.
      They will build a kevlar tent though so nobody can see whats NOT being done there ,and pretend they are doing something , pretend progress is made.
      But who believes anything tepco says anyway right ?

  • Lady M

    Amazing how, even though the "technology to dismantle them doesn't exist yet," the broadcast goes on to say that the whole mess will be cleaned up in 40 years. I wonder when, in that 40 years, the epiphany is going to occur…

    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      What's more, they're playing russian roulette. And they put in a bullet with every misfire. They like to call it Doubling Down.

    • Sickputer

      Good catch Lady M. I was also wondering which Dr. Brainiac came up with the 40-year timeline for solution when they haven't demonstrated in 3 years any strategy that works to stop the emissions.

      Kind of like the Bechtel boys and their revised timeline at Hanford Site.

      Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'… into the future. –Steve Miller

      • cooterboy


        Speaking of Bechtel, they just laid off 2,400 workers at the Hanford Site and now estimate it will take them until 2049 to clean up the mess. GE then CH2MHill, Bechtel and the list goes on. Who next KBR? After the wars are over they will need a job.


    • humptydumpty humptydumpty

      One way or another, they will meet their obligation */snark …whether by waiting for the next major earthquake to shake up a gamma shine event, or by walking away after dumping the tank farm and covering everything with tyvek tents. Until the whole world becomes an exclusion zone.

    • PurpleRain PurpleRain

      I don't think the Pacific Ocean (or any ocean on Earth) has 40 years…..

  • Jebus Jebus

    CBS is jumpin the gun…

  • Socrates

    The magnitude of the consequences from a loss of coolant incident is unacceptable. Even if the risk is remote, why ever take such a risk? Cheap electricity does not justify the risk of catastrophic consequences. Only military considerations could explain this irresponsibly. Yet, how can defense considerations justify such a grave environmental assault? Who needs enemies with enemies within?

    They should have listened to Jay Gould and Albert Einstein. Their failure to have done so will go down in history as the stupidest thing ever.

    • We Not They Finally

      This was hardly just "loss of coolant." And the electricity it produced was never "cheap." Nor could/should the military EVER endanger a civilian population like this. Nor was anyone listening to anyone in the mad rush of The Cold War.

      You usually have way more common sense! Having a bad day?

  • Jebus Jebus

    "This is what Tepco want's us to see"

  • Jebus Jebus

    It's as if there were no exploding reactors, no pacific ocean,
    and no creatures, when viewed through the looking glass…

  • onedman

    …and to think my doc wants me to quit fast-food, tobacco, booze and women…at least we have "some" people talking to each other…at least we have that, the next 100,000/200,000 years will be hell…

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Had to chuckle as they discussed searching for time travelers on coast to coast last night. They did not find any! 🙁 Future must look like a piece of burnt Toast! No body is home in the future. 🙁

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    IMO-The media is going to start doing more and more of these stories to plant the information slowly into the masses, the stories will progress. The key words here was that they cannot clean this up. When they said " Those are so radioactive that the technology to dismantle them does not exist yet." they put the "yet" on there because people will grasp that part of the message. The word yet was on purpose, it negated the previous words. To me this proves the worst we imagined is true. Now we have to wait for the rest of the world to catch up to what we have been discussing all along on Enenews.

    Also, watch for the word radiated, radiation, radiate…to start appear in unrelated stories…

    • We Not They Finally

      At least they're not talking about Fukushima in past tense, like they usually do: Like this happen-ED in 2011.

      O.k. So now that "the past" is apparently not behind us just YET… it now gets distanced into the future. How many dead bodies in the present will it actually take?

    • Annie Lark Annie

      I think you have an interesting theory that may in PART be accurate. However, how do you explain the "misinformation" offered over KEY pieces of information? The reporter (Seth Doane) inaccurately stated, "Groundwater is pouring into the reactor and has to be pumped out and stored."

      Correct me if I'm wrong, which is quite possible, but I believe the fact is that Tepco is pumping water over the pool in order to keep the fuel rods under water. It is this irradiated water that is then stored in poorly constructed containers that are leaking INTO the groundwater and then flowing out to the Pacific Ocean.

      This is a rather HUGE misstatement considering the danger that this situation imposes. This radioactive groundwater is entering the ocean at approximately 300 tons daily and has been for possibly several years. This is at the heart of much of the current concerns and represents devastating long term threats to our global ecosystem.

      This was CBS's opportunity to introduce the gravity of the situation by simply and accurately stating that fact. Viewers can figure out the gravity for themselves. It would also open up the opportunity to eventually cover the devastated fish and wildlife, as well as, the water-cycle and jet stream.

      Instead, nothing was mentioned about this water leaking INTO the ocean, so as to allow viewers to draw their own conclusions. I think this was a strategic decision on CBS' part and an indicator of KEY omissions we can…

      • Sickputer

        The water circulation is a closely guarded Tepco secret. They have lied so much nobody can trust their figures.

        I think they had been collecting hot water from the heat transfer systems built in the fall of 2011 for Units 1-4. Units 1-3 produce the most dangerous water because the buildings are earthquake-cracked and too hot for humans to repair. Unit 4 was not as hot to reinforce with steel and concrete after they got the spent fuel pond filled. They recirculate water from there also, but it does not have massive radiation like the buildings with fissile fuel splatter. I am suspect quite a few workers died in the initial cooling efforts in the first 9 months of the crisis.

        The trillion dollar question is: How much contaminated water actually flows from the hot leaking areas to the ocean every day? Maybe it is ten times what they say…maybe a hundred times more.

        The second question is: Are they still collecting water into tanks or have they begun secretly emptying hot water into the lagoon?

        If they have lied about either of these questions then things are very dire for Japan and all the nations adjacent to the Pacific.

        • name999 name999

          sickputer…these questions you pose are getting to the dangerous center of the lies.

          Even with faking so much, there is no way these people can even keep putting the waste in containers. Dumping chemical and surely nuclear wastes has been done for many years.
          Which is only worse when one realizes this has been going on longer than Fukushima.

          As we have ignored the problem it is now out of control.

        • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

          If there were recent photos you could compare the number of tanks…

        • Shaker1

          "The trillion dollar question is: How much contaminated water actually flows from the hot leaking areas to the ocean every day? Maybe it is ten times what they say…maybe a hundred times more."

          Well, Sickputer, I think that you and I know that the reason your question is worth all that money is because it's actually a statement of the odds of a correct answer. Tepco, or, excuse me, the Japanese government, might have some numbers but my guess is that they feel that have to say something.

          And concerning this, "The second question is: Are they still collecting water into tanks or have they begun secretly emptying hot water into the lagoon?" I think if anyone considers the lack of success at keeping the filtering process running at all, and even without consideration of the efficiency of those processes or the fact that if one does consider the structures that are needed to contain even the published volume and that deficiency, that emptying water into the lagoon is a without question. I guess one still might question how 'hot' that water is.

          I visited Tepco's site today after reading a post from Iori at Fukushima diary in which he cited an official pdf regarding their declaration of intention to place rubble in the lagoon. It pains me that Tepco has seemed to have stopped publishing some of this kind of thing in English while they exist in Japanese. It's especially difficult when, as this one, they consist of drawings with annotated descriptions.

      • Annie Lark Annie

        (continued) …KEY omissions we can expect in the future.

        I would feel better about CBS if they were to begin laying the groundwork to later discuss the huge plume that will be arriving over the Pacific Ocean this summer along the West Coast.

        Also, I'd like to see coverage concerning radiation monitoring, or the lack there of. This could eventually lead to a discussion about the EPA's strategic move to not repair or keep radiation monitors viable during times when Fukushima has had detectable gamma releases that are carried over the jet stream. The lack of functioning EPA radiation monitors is apparently a problem all over the USA. It is WHY so many private citizens are now providing radiation monitoring for the public's benefit.

        The list of topics that can be slowly introduced goes on and on. While it is commendable that CBS IS putting the topic forward as a continuing issue and not as past-history, at some point CBS will have to make a courageous stand to cover the topic fully and accurately.

        In the meantime, I will remain a viewer of CBS, as they appear to be the only network attempting to walk this fine line. If I'm wrong, somebody please correct me. Any news outlet that covers this topic honestly deserves some applause, but also encouragement to dig deep and remember WHY each of their producers chose to make news their vocation and the obligations that such a decision implies. Someday soon, sitting on the fence will no longer be an option.

        • clamshellernh clamshellernh

          The list of topics that can be slowly introduced goes on and on. While it is commendable that CBS IS putting the topic forward as a continuing issue and not as past-history, at some point CBS will have to make a courageous stand to cover the topic fully and accurately.

          Wow that restores my faith a little bit thank you Anne for your continued insight

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            I don't think I have seen this poster before, Annie. She is not me.

            CBS is owned by Westinghouse. I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for them to fully disclose what is happening at Fukushima and in Japan and in the Pacific Ocean, or on the West Coast or the rest of the US.

            Westinghouse has an enormously amount of money invested in the AP1000, another design of failed nuclear technology.

            Expect Annie to move into combat mode sometime in the future.

            And please don't mix this person up with me. Anne.

            • clamshellernh clamshellernh

              Anne I'm so sorry now that you mention it I have not either , it's late and this is really hitting home for me .
              Too morose for my own good I'm afraid .
              Sorry again
              I will pay better attention
              Be blessed
              Oh my what is going on here ?
              Off to bed …..

              • clamshellernh clamshellernh

                So is this a rouse ? Is this piece out there on CBS ?
                I'll be back in the morn I hope we can get this cleared up
                Goodnight folks

        • Radio Radio

          It's worth remembering, i think, that most of these folks are slowly, incrementally coming out of denial. This story, for them, is major news coverage. They have NO idea about nuclear power plants, radiation, how it spreads, etc. having complete and unquestioned trust in them and their CEO's. It will take time, and it will take us helping them learn the basics so that they can start arriving at their own insights. That Arnie's analogy was even comprehended and reused to some extent on CBS shows how what we are all doing is slowly percolating into the mainstream media.

          They do have to say something. Private citizens, average people, are finding radiation. Sea life is showing obvious signs of radiation toxicity and dying. Star fish are melting. Sailors are ill. Learning about the problem and the dangers while also not wanting to believe any of it could possibly be true is challenging for people who are uncomfortable questioning authority and the dangerous path energy production has taken. Obviously, few people here suffer from that 😉

          • PurpleRain PurpleRain

            You are very correct Radio. I have a very dear friend who is a physics professor and who did not want to believe anything except the same status-quo, but since I have shared a number of articles and the source-links with him ..he is now 'just' beginning to comprehend…and the transformation of all that he was taught and all that he had once believed and has been very difficult for him.

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        • humptydumpty humptydumpty

          "In the meantime, I will remain a viewer of CBS, as they appear to be the only network attempting to walk this fine line."

          Attempting to walk WHAT fine line? The fine line between reporting the whole truth and not offending Westinghouse executives?

          I don't think it is especially commendable to put out little warning tidbits of information while the rad bombs are falling. The rest of the networks are colluding with the crooks totally.

    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

      News yes I see it , subliminal too …..a lot of company start ups profiting from our fear with hope , renewed faith based fear .
      People looking to someone to save them is what we can count on with dire consequences ..
      What afkn mess
      This is hitting home now , I'm afraid .

    • hexagon

      I have 3 kids so we watch animation. In the last few weeks I've noticed references in several cartoons. I couldn't watch Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2 without thinking the moral message at the end is that mutations caused by science are nice.

  • Jebus Jebus

    I guess there's always hope for tomorrow.

    Be a great week to slap a big ole slice of Fukushima truth on those uninterested. Then your favorite team wins the superbowl, or not…

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Jebus…Enenews should do a kickstarter campaign to raise money for a Superbowl ad for next year about how nuclear energy kills. That is if we are still here and if the truth hasn't come out yet.

      • clamshellernh clamshellernh

        News do you think we will have next year ? Will society be the same as this hits home ? I see change and not good change . People are going to be hungry and not for food , for a savior and I am the last person who is a holy roller .
        Let's see
        There's going to be a game changer and we must not buy into it . Not now ….but how and when

  • WesternKyMan

    Probably more like 10 lit cigarettes

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Next year, Tepco will be saying it's like trying to pull 10 lit shitty-rolled doobies with stems and seeds out of a crumpled cigarette pack and trying to get them not to "run"

  • WesternKyMan

    The devil came came to earth,
    and he had a strange glow,
    He stopped at Fukushima,
    and put on one helluva show.

  • hummina shadeeba

    When u watched the program did it have that long long time with the map on the screen and the guy on location as sound?? How does that happen? Not what the show likely wanted and I'm suspicious and I wish someone from the show was here to tell

  • hummina shadeeba

    What a surprising twist with the damned cigarettes coming from those at the window seat. I thought tepco were trying to downplay it all and then with the smokes now on fire. What will obstacle will befall the cigs next. Or is it a joke and you pull ur last one out. Ughh
    What's the next plan for the last 3? They need better names for publicity. How long would/will they be a nun contained molten mass?
    What of the possibility of an underground hydrogen explosion or other further dangers?

    I think this could've been easily cleaned by now with what's available but the money/effort isn't being given. The army can't put down their guns for awhile n grab a shovel. We can have monuments to soldiers that we can all support for once

  • Almost, a chest X-ray every 4 hours.

    "In four hours, correspondent Seth Doane received the equivalent of less than a chest X-ray." – from article

    I would venture to say they were kept in the low exposure highly shielded areas for those 4 hours too.


    Why do I find this sentence combination so hysterical?

    "All four reactors are still emitting radiation. But TEPCO has made some progress." – from article


    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      ChasAha…and those are the 4 we know about….. 🙂

    • JP JP

      This is to lull the masses into sleep…Nothing to see here.

      • Radio Radio

        JP, i think that this is a good faith effort on the part of very uninformed people to start questioning the world they have created. They could have downplayed ALL the dangers but chose to start painting a picture for their viewers. The press is rarely a leader and most always a follower. While much of it is controlled, that control can even be a very light touch, a dropped hint, a word here or there, because the society that it is a part of is in as deep of denial as the reporter, publisher, or editor. For these people, the alternative is cliff jumping. Let's help them by sending in better information, thanking them for carrying the story, and pointing them towards better information sources. At some point, we need these media to see us as allies rather than as threats and to walk away from the reactor they are hugging. We all have a long walk.

        • name999 name999

          Radio, yes, having any mention of Fukushima in the national media is important now. Most people have completely forgotten about this and are in denial as the environment around them, their food and water become toxic.

          I would only add that journalists had been a real force in keeping our democratic values and our government honest up until the 1970's. From then on our journalists and media has slid into the complete opposite. Huge historical shift due to news and journalists being penetrated by disinformation, threatened and silenced. I remember a brighter day in American systems of information and news. Very dumb now.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      "All four reactors are still emitting radiation. But TEPCO has made some progress."

      -They got the cellophane pull strip off the cigarette pack, well they found the pull tab.

      -The hard part is going to be reactors 1, 2, and three. It will be like trying to pull a cigarette out of a crumpled pac that has been saturated with diesel fuel and hit with 100 napalm incendiary bombs and trampled by 10,000 elephants.

      -No seriously, they are attacking this cancer with radiation.

  • atomicistheword

    More clap trap bullshit to assure the sheeple that the empire is still rolling on bringing good things to life for it's varatious locusts to consume.

    Out of the sea comes the truth that "they" were living in a fools paradise run by the anti-humane elite. Devoid of what makes a human being district from animals, bestial beings worshipping the GOD that THEY trust.

    The great tribulation brought to you by General Electric /Hitachi, Toshiba and all those corporations hiding like dog cowards behind mommy TEPCO skirt. Pathetic gutless wonders and owners of the equipment!!!

    Didn't the TEPCO guy speak fluent English with a smile at the end of his rant?

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    Every video, every Geiger counter reading, every bit of news reporting on sick kids and dead animals .. it only shows how utterly stupid man is for allowing this wretched technology to exist.

    It someday won't exist, because it's impossible for life to coexist with nuclear power. Totally impossible.

  • ShutItAllDown

    Yes, the message is slowly being changed form "everything is just peachy" to "we're all going to die a slow death". Has to be done slowly to avoid the populace overthrowing the complicit governments.

    • bo bo

      It's like slowly moving a ship across the panama canal… waiting for the water to fill each step, introducing a new word that was previously too shocking for the public, such as 'this leak will not stop' then 'this is never going to stop'… 'there still is no solution' to 'there is no solution'

  • mairs mairs

    Interesting that on the same page as the interview, there's as story about snowy owls flocking to the East Coast. Bird watchers are delighted, the caption says, but experts don't know why they are so far away from their home in the Arctic.

    Another puzzle piece? Or just a coincidence?

  • Sickputer

    Getting close to 20,000 FB members.

    Newcomers: we do have other Discussion Forums on the right side of the page. These do not always get visits from newcomers as they hone in on the latest and greatest threads. Don't neglect them.

    I posted my commentary on the CBS evening report earlier today before the latest thread picked it up. Check out those comments and others here:

  • weeman

    Reactor 4 was not in use, but that explosion sent debris and chunks of concrete into a pool where the nuclear fuel was being stored.
    All four reactors are still emitting radiation. As per post.
    Now if 4 was not in use why is it still emitting radiation? Is this poor journalism or a slip?
    You may have noticed that you can see the spent fuel pool, but you don't see the reactor core or equipment pool, they must be shielded from reactor?

    • weeman

      Three miles from plant levels a 100 times higher than normal, but after four hours on site and at SFP, they received less than a chest X-ray? Did they give you a full body scan or did they go over you with the magic wand, you ok Joe.
      The tv camera crew never got to areas that were not covered by thick steel plates on ground, maybe steel passages.
      4,300 workers on site is that at any given time or accumulative?

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        Very perceptive catch!

        …four hours on site and at SFP, they received less than a chest X-ray?

        Three miles from plant levels a 100 times higher than normal…

        Can I extrapolate from those two pieces of information that the farther away from the plant you get, the worse the radiation gets?

        OMG, I live thousands of miles away, it must be 1000s of times worse here! The only safe place to live is in Fukushima!!! 😉

    • Sickputer

      Weeman: "Now if 4 was not in use.."

      SP: They pulled the RV cover September 13, 2012 at Unit 4:

      I am inclined to think the RV was empty on 311. I am inclined to believe that because of that lid (yes, it coukd be faked, but that's a risky lie) but also because of Japanese NPP standard maintenance policies:

      More fuel rod/assembly trivia: There are two important differences between American refueling procedures and Japanese refueling.

      American nuclear technicians typically remove some, but not all of the used assemblies from the reactor vessel during removal to the spent fuel pond. Americans also checkerboard fuel assemblies in spent fuel racks to allow open areas for heat control and safety in moving assemblies.
      By contrast the Japanese during refueling typically pull all the assemblies from the reactor vessel for placement in the spent fuel pond and they stack them densely (no checkerboarding).

      The result? Much hotter Japanese fuel ponds because of larger amounts of freshly used fissile fuel pulled and the densely packed racks create a much more delicate situation during assembly extraction from the fuel pond (for casking or removal to the huge ground floor communal CSFP (Common Spent Fuel Pond).
      Stacking presents relatively few problems in undamaged pools. But with damaged assemblies the risks are enormous.

      • Jebus Jebus

        I think that there's pretty compelling evidence that they had put some of the hot rods in the equipment pool and that burned…

        • Sickputer

          Oh hell yes. i think the most amazing untold story is how they repaired the leaky Spent Fuel Pond at Unit 4 so quickly and kept hope for regaining control somewhat alive. But Units 1-3 are going to sorely test their workers and current repair technology. They are a very long way from any real decommission work.

          You have to have control of the fuel rods before any hope of decommission. They are doing better at Unit 4. But Units 1-3 are currently hopelessly out of control. They will need a different plan than what is possible at Unit 4.

          I would also appreciate news about reactors 5 and 6. Why no reporter tours there? They are supposedly in pretty good shape.

          • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

            With the "hot fuel" in #4, wouldn't that have been the first pool to boil off and burn anyway?

            I know it would also depend on the volume of water in the pool…age of spent rods…number of rod assemblies & their spacing in the pool.

      • mairs mairs

        Sickputer, do you remember early on that there was an overhead heat signature photo of 4 which showed a heat source in the containment and not just the fuel pool? I don't remember seeing a definitive explanation of that.

      • Shaker1

        My understanding is that Unit 4 was being prepared for the use of MOX fuel at the time of the accident and that requires some measure of change to the internals.

        I also seem to remember some statements that the work to achieve that change were basically done and they were ready to begin refueling. Wasn't that the reason the GE contractors were on site at the time?

  • name999 name999

    Tons of contaminated water per day forever.

    How do these people even do this stuff? Most of us here can't understand what drives this…except

    William Blake said it was jealousy.

    When the technology does not exist to make these plants safe, more are being built. Horrible violation of life itself.

  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    A couple of weeks ago I drove to Michigan to listen to Chris Williams the organizer of Shutdown Vermont. The event was hosted by “Michigan Safe Energy Future”. They have a facebook page if you are interested called “Palisades Shutdown Campaign-Michigan Safe energy Future”.

    At the very end someone in the audience who worked for Palisades Nuclear Facility challenged the idea that solar and wind could be stored overnight and that the technology doesn’t exist etc. The same old arguments that lead to justifying nuclear energy for base load power.

    My statement afterward was that as we move more toward renewables the innovations in wind and solar and energy storage will be exponential. Also, I added that the nuclear industry has not come up with a technology or solution for what to do with 70+ years of radioactive waste.

    “The technology does not exist” to solve nuclear problems. The technology for renewables does exist and will continue to improve. Why are we letting our governments continue down this nuclear dead end?

  • Max1 Max1

    Much is admitted by what is omitted…

    From the end of the video:
    "At the end of the tour, the CBS crew was checked for radiation exposure. In four hours, correspondent Seth Doane received the equivalent of less than a chest X-ray."

    There is no mention of the type shielding he was wearing in the program. None. Yet, is compelled to brag how low his exposure was!

    Gee… why is that?
    "Secrecy" law, anyone?

    Does anyone really think TEPCO was moving any fuel when a "reporter" was in there? Especially knowing the extent of risks moving each bundle surmounts too? Didn't he say a crushed light cigarette? But it does make for a good show… 'Cause that's all that report was for.

    I echo the question repeated:
    If the technology doesn't exist to deal with R1, R2, R3,…
    … Then how is it TEPCO can claim 40 total cleanup?
    It doesn't make any sense, and the situation there only keeps heading one direction; WORSE!

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      I always wanted to live in a castle high up on a German Mountain with a cute little wife, and a unicorn in the yard. Well, I am glad to announce that I am making progress. My winning lottery ticket does not exist yet, but that isn't stopping me, no sir. I am going to start shopping! Surely I'll hit in 40 years. I'll be more than 90 years old, but damn I bet I could interest the Olympic committee to plan the '54 Olympics at my unicorn ranch!!

  • andybass andybass

    I have thought for a long time why can't some group build a man made island in the bay, like palm island in Dubai. The technology is there to do so, and it could better isolate the plant and slow the contamination into the pacific.

    But there again that would cost millions, and provide no return for the investor, so I doubt anyone would be interested in this stupid capitalist world. Grr!

    Have a good day enenewsers!

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Fukushima Daiichi is already on a man-made island, and it is sinking into the ocean. Also there is no way to move or even find the corium, much less all the spent fuel rods. They can't really move everything to the mountains because there are many active volcanoes there. Putting a nuclear power plant and weapons making plant over a fault on landfill below sea level was really asking for the catastrophe we have. They should pay out indemnity to everyone in the world and disband as a company. This includes GE-Hitachi, Toshiba(Westinghouse), and TEPCO.

      They should give up every asset they hold and be held in jail for the rest of their lives. They are killing my children.

      • Annie Lark Annie Lark

        Anne- I've followed your insightful comments (on several sites) for quite a while now. So that people don't confuse us, I've reentered my user name to add the last name, too. Out of respect, I'd hate to say something stupid and have someone attribute it to you.

        Also concerning your comment… I didn't realize that Fukushima Dalichi is sinking into the ocean. That's pretty frightening! How do you know this and how long has this been known? (There's no way you could know the answer, so this is more of a rhetorical question… )

        WHY would Japan agree to place nuclear power plants ANYWHERE on their island knowing the danger? Are there not international laws (consequences) for any country making such a STUPID decision that has the potential of harming other nations?

        I agree with you… "They should pay out indemnity to everyone in the world and disband as a company." Seriously, shouldn't the international community hold them legally liable? Otherwise, what would be the incentive for other nations to avoid such stupidity?

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Thank you for changing your name. Someone recently was commenting as Ann as a pro-nuke commentator. I never commented on other sites, but sometimes other people quote me on other sites.

          I will look for links for you. But at the time of the 9.0 earthquake, Fukushima Daiichi sank 3 feet. And it has sunk another 3 feet since then.

          And the whole eastern side is expected to sink into the ocean in the future.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Nuclear Update: Fukushima Unit 4 Is Sinking (Unevenly) … Fracking Now Allowed within 500 FEET of Nuclear Plants
          “…it is disturbing news that the ground beneath unit 4 is sinking. Specifically, Unit 4 sunk 36 inches right after the earthquake, and has sunk another 30 inches since then. Moreover, Unit 4 is sinking unevenly, and the building may begin tilting….”

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Is Japan going to sink? pt.2
          “…If we take the facts that coast of Japan sanked for 1,2 meters and moved horizontally 5,3 meters then we can make some conclusions….”

          WE WATCH: Is Japan going to sink?! pt.3 – Seabed shifted by 50 meters (165 feet) – the largest slip yet recorded

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          "…Amazing facts
          "Here are some of the amazing facts about the Japan earthquake and tsunami.
          "• The earthquake shifted Earth on its axis of rotation by redistributing mass, like putting a dent in a wobbling top. The temblor also shortened the length of day by about a microsecond.
          "• More than 1,000 aftershocks have hit Japan since the earthquake, the largest a magnitude 7.9.
          "• About 250 miles (400 km) of Japan's northern Honshu coastline dropped by 2 feet (0.6 meters).
          "• The jolt moved Japan's main island of Honshu eastward by 8 feet (2.4 meters).
          "• The Pacific Plate slid westward near the epicenter by 79 feet (24 m).
          "• In Antarctica, the seismic waves from the earthquake sped up the Whillans Ice Stream, jolting it by about 1.5 feet (0.5 meters).
          "• The tsunami broke icebergs off the Sulzberger Ice Shelf in Antarctica.
          "• As the tsunami crossed the Pacific Ocean, a 5-foot high (1.5 m) high wave killed more than 110,000 nesting seabirds at the Midway Atoll National Wildlife Refuge.
          "• In Norway, water in some fjords pointing northeast toward Japan (up and over the pole) sloshed back and forth as seismic waves from the earthquake raced through.
          "• The earthquake produced a low-frequency rumble called infrasound, which traveled into space and was detected by the Goce satellite…."

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          2011/03/11 Japan
          38.297 142.373 20896 9.0

          “At least 15,550 people killed, 5,344 missing, 5,314 injured, 130,927 displaced and at least 332,395 buildings, 2,126 roads, 56 bridges and 26 railways destroyed or damaged by the earthquake and tsunami along the entire east coast of Honshu from Chiba to Aomori. The majority of casualties and damage occurred in Iwate, Miyagi and Fukushima from a Pacific-wide tsunami with a maximum runup height of 37.88 m at Miyako. The total economic loss in Japan was estimated at 309 billion US dollars. Electricity, gas and water supplies, telecommunications and railway service disrupted and several reactors severely damaged at a nuclear power plant near Okuma. Several fires occurred in Chiba and Miyagi. At least 1,800 houses destroyed when a dam failed in Fukushima. Maximum acceleration of 2.93 g recorded at Tsukidate. Horizontal displacement and subsidence observed. Landslides occurred in Miyagi. Liquefaction observed at Chiba, Odaiba, Tokyo and Urayasu. The tsunami destroyed or severely damaged many coastal towns in the Kuji-Minamisanriku-Nami area. One person killed and several houses destroyed at Jayapura, Indonesia by a tsunami with a wave height of 2 m. One person killed south of Crescent City, California and several boats and docks destroyed or damaged at Crescent City by a tsunami with a recorded wave height of 247 cm. Several houses, boats and docks destroyed or damaged at Santa Cruz, California; Brookings, Oregon; Hale`iwa, Kailua…

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            Some buildings damaged slightly in the Galapagos Islands, Ecuador by a tsunami with a recorded wave height of 208 cm at Santa Cruz. Several houses destroyed at Pisco, Peru. Several buildings destroyed at Dichato and several boats damaged at Puerto Viejo and on Isla Chiloe, Chile. Felt (VIII) at Fukushima, (VII) at Agui, Hiratsuka, Kiryu, Komae, Oyama, Sendai and Tsukuba and (VI) in much of eastern Honshu, including the Tokyo-Yokohama area, Japan. Felt Kyushu. Recorded (7 JMA) in Miyagi. Felt in Northern Mariana Islands, North Korea, South Korea, Taiwan, northeastern China and southeastern Russia as far as Kaohsiung, Beijing and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatskiy. Seiches observed at Leikanger, Norway. Water fluctuations observed in a well in Newfoundland, Canada. The tsunami had maximum runup heights of 29.6 m at Ofunato, 18.4 m at Onagawa and 9.4 m at Iwaki. Wave heights in centimeters (above sea level) were recorded at the following selected tide gauges: 250 at Arica, Chile; 282 at Hanasaki and 157 at Omaezaki, Japan; 163 at Manzanillo, Mexico; 156 on Midway Island; 97 on Chatham Island, New Zealand; 109 at Manus, Papua New Guinea; 173 at Callao, Peru; 250 at Kahului, Hawaii, USA; 202 at Port Orford, Oregon; 157 at Shemya, Alaska. “

            • Annie Lark Annie Lark

              Anne- Thanks for the links and info. The more I learn, the more amazed I become. Most of all, what does it say about people in general when they can remain in the dark for so long? Even with a media blackout, you'd think that people would at least begin to pick up on the situation on their own. Lemmings… all.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            And all this got what ..a couple of hours of coverage on the MSM here in the states?

            I talk to people everyday that have no clue what Fukushima means, is or what it's even about. 🙁

            I now ask people if they want to see their future and if they do I give them this web site, since they are simply clueless about what still comith this way!

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Japan Earthquake 2011 Liquefaction Damage
          Oregon State University

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Liquefaction video of Japan Tohoku-Oki Earthquake in Central Park –

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          WHAT Is Going On? JAPAN Is Sinking-Massive Ground Movement E

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Japan Quake – Incredible liquefaction taking place, ground shifting

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Japan is sinking!
          Uploaded on Mar 20, 2011

          “In the aftermath of a major earthquake under Suraga Bay, Misaki (a young girl) and Toshiro (a pilot of a deep sea submarine) are rescued from a ruined city street just as leaking gasoline ignites. Reiko Abe arrives just in time, lowered from a helicopter. Scientists predict that Japan will sink within 40 years, due to subduction of a tectonic plate to the west. However, Dr. Tadokoro, who leads an oceanic scientific team that includes Toshiro, calculates that this will happen far sooner, in only 338.54 days. He presents his findings to Prime Minister Yamamoto who decides to create a new department for impending disaster relief assigning Saoro Takamori to cover the new duties, since of all his ministers she will take it seriously but also bring "heart" to the process. As further earthquakes, tsunamis, and volcanic eruptions devastate Japan, the government pleads with other countries to take refugees”

          • artika rama

            Anne That is just extremely over exagerqated , i wouldnt believe any of this . tectonic plate movemenets can not be so large in suh short periods ,, they do move but at an incredible slow rate ,, just not possible that the whole japan would sink within 40 years . this is not realistic . these people are just sensation news creators , nothing else. we shouldnt take these kinds of statements seriously .

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              It isn't just the FOUR plates all coming together at one place. It is all the many active volcanoes on Honshu and the rest of Japan. There are also faults under Honshu.

              You need to argue with the experts, not me. And you also need links of experts to support your opinion. Otherwise it is just wishful thinking.

              • artika rama

                well i am not an expert about this subject but i know that tectonics movement is so slow that you can barely detect it , it takes thousands to millions of years to observe the tectonics movemenets at that scale , i didnt do any research on this , just general knowledge thats it , but i am sure if we would do a search we could find lots of info on internet ,, i just didnt feel the need , cause its extremely over exagerated that a country , as whole would disappear because of tectonics,,if the world was such a place we wouldnt be able to build anything , civilisation wouldnt exists ,, your house would collapse within a few hours ,, etc etc m, its impossible . We shouldnt take the word of every so called scientist out there ,, a lot of snake oil salesmen ,, a lot of doomsday , fear mongering profiteurs etc etc .
                These are difficult times and we are all afraid , and we can easliy get carried away in extreme ideas ,, hard to keep focused ,, hard to see the truth sometimes , for all of us . I see myself doing that too ,, getting carried away in some extreme idea.

                simple answer is ;no i didnt research it ,, i just know its not possible , i know what tectonics are and they dont move like that .
                If you like i could do some research and try to get better information, i personally dont see the need to go and spend time to prove or disprove any extreme statements .
                Just basic geography / geoglogy ,, tectonics cant move that fast ,, not possible ,, dont believe those fools .

                • name999 name999

                  artika, please provide supporting info…volcanic activity, earthquakes…

                  • artika rama

                    name999 Seriously 🙂 you want me to support info that tectonic plates dont move hundreds of miles in 350 days ?? lol 🙂
                    The only supportive info would be the basic geography lesson ,, but if you are still not convinced you can search on google .
                    here , just typed in tectonic movements in google and this is what i got 100MM (thats milimeters ) per year
                    here is the link 🙂

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      Caltech Researchers Release First Large Observational Study of 9.0 Tohoku-Oki Earthquake –
                      “Simons says one of the most interesting findings of the data analysis was the spatial compactness of the event. The megathrust earthquake occurred at a subduction zone where the Pacific Plate dips below Japan. The length of fault that experienced significant slip during the Tohoku-Oki earthquake was about 250 kilometers, about half of what would be conventionally expected for an event of this magnitude.
                      “Furthermore, the area where the fault slipped the most—30 meters or more—happened within a 50- to 100-kilometer-long segment. ‘This is not something we have documented before,’ says Simons. ‘I'm sure it has happened in the past, but technology has advanced only in the past 10 to 15 years to the point where we can measure these slips much more accurately through GPS and other data.’…"

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      In this earthquake it moved 250 kilometers in 6 minutes.

                  • clamshellernh clamshellernh


                    This is a MUST read book for any body who has interest in TRUTH of history, religion, cosmos or science. No wonder the high priests of academia , history, Most wealthiest and powerful religious figures,astrologists went on attacking him. What makes his work fascinating is he literally proved with out any doubt that GODs of all most all religious myths of Hinduism, chistrian, Judiam , Greeks, Romans, Babylonians are the Planetary electromagntic discharge interaction. His comparison of the Mythical narration of religious texts along with time lines with cosmological events matches perfectly and leaves the reader with awe. He busted the myth of religous gods and exposed the LIE of the murderous psychopathic religious god-men through millienea. Along with that, he also exposed that our planetary neighour hood is not as peacefull as our high priests wants us to believe. By exposing this truth, he gave us the oppurtunity to be objective of what is happening. Every day fire balls are increasing exponentially , though main stream media minimizes the exposure. His work will be life safer for Truth seekers.

                    • artika rama

                      Anne I think there is a misunderstanding when you say it moved 250 km in 6 min .
                      As an example; let's say there was a long train ,,1 mile long . I would get on the train start the engines and juuust move it a few centimeters and stop right away .
                      So we know the whole train moved but it just moved a few centimeters . The train is a mile long , so there was movement in a mile long train ,, it moved as a whole right. But it only moved a few centimeters.
                      So when they say there was movement in 250 km of fault line they don't mean fault line moved 250 km . They mean there was SOME movement in an area of 250 km long . How much movement ? Catech says 30 meters.
                      So it's false to say tectonic plates moved 250 kms .otherwise we would have to redraw the world map with Japan far in the sea or mainland Asia or something 🙂

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      You can ignore the experts. But you trivialize your opinion. You need to read, and again argue with the experts, not me. I'm just the messenger.

                      Here is another earthquake which which slipped 1,000 miles.

                      “…The megathrust earthquake was unusually large in geographical and geological extent. An estimated 1,600 kilometres (1,000 mi) of fault surface slipped (or ruptured) about 15 metres (50 ft) along the subduction zone where the Indian Plate slides (or subducts) under the overriding Burma Plate. The slip did not happen instantaneously but took place in two phases over a period of several minutes:…”

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                  Earthquakes are worse now because of nuclear waste dumped in the ocean and ground, nuclear testing, dam holding back water, ice melting from global warming caused by Krypton-85 from nuclear power plants and CO@ from burning fossil fuels, from frozen methan melting from global warming, and from fracking and mining.

                  predicting earthquakes

                  Japan’s 2011 9.0 earthquake was over a nuclear waste dumping area in the ocean. Japan Sea is also the site of decades of Russian nuclear waste dumps. Is China also dumping nuclear waste in the Arctic an Pacific oceans?

                  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                    the "Ring of Fire" initiated the tsunami that plowed-into Fukushima. Plate tectonics was the cause…

              • clamshellernh clamshellernh

                @anne I keep thinking of the "snoopy" island it came up fast! So why wouldn't an event cause what is discribed in record time .

                • clamshellernh clamshellernh

                  I also remember a book I read many years ago by Emmanuel viloskvy , shoot spelling , Worlds in collision . It talks about civilizations being destroyed .

              • artika rama

                anne when you say "Here is another earthquake which which slipped 1,000 miles."
                that doesnt mean it moved 1000 miles ,, the whole mass of 1000 miles just moves a few meters ,, it didnt move 1000 miles .So it simply means a huge chunk of mass which is 1000 miles big , just moved a few meters . the movement in your example was i think 15 meters , thats all . Japan is hundreds of miles = much larger than just 15 meters . It cannot disappear in a year or even fourty years ,, its just misconception . Not possible. Dont believe those 'scientists "

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              Russian Scientist Predicts “Massive Earthquake” to Hit Japan by End of 2014
              “During the European Geosciences Union (EGU) Convention in Vienna on 9 April, a Russian scientist declared that Japan would face a giant earthquake of magnitude 9.0 within the next year and a half….”

              • artika rama

                anne well it can happen ,, a massive eathquake CAN hit japan ,, the whole island is shaking like shaken stevan all the time ,, and after an earth quake they see that some parts have movement a few feet in one direction atc ,, well imagine 2 earth quakes , happening at the same location , with a time span of several decades or so ,, and in total it moved the are like a few feet ,, there you go ,, that is your tectonics movement ,, a few feet in several several ,, not the whole country in one year ,, thats absurd ,, cant happen ,,
                Nowadays you can find an expert saying anything ,, difficult to find the truth ,
                we all have to be carefull not to get carried away in these extreme ideas.

                • artika rama

                  maaan my whole message is typo ,, i am so sorry ,, what i was trying to say was "a few feet of movement in several decades " 🙂

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              Researcher: Japan should prepare for worst-case magnitude-10 earthquake
              November 23, 2012

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          I'm sure we will ever know the whole story, but the vast majority of the Japanese people did not ever agree to have nuclear power plants. There have been many protests throughout the building of all the nuclear facilities. And there has been a black out of information as well since the Mar. 11, 2011 9.0 earthquake. No one was allowed to discuss nuclear energy before the last election. So the electors didn't agree to reopen any nuclear power plants.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Youtube: ground under Fukushima Unit 4 is sinking

          Ex-Fukushima Nuclear Worker: Concern about land subsidence at plant due to pumping up groundwater — “I think Tepco knows”

    • Max1 Max1

      Great idea, BUT…

      Since it won't be a luxury resort…
      … I don't see that happening any time soon

  • Max1 Max1

    "Hydrogen Explosion"

    Yea… from what, though?
    I still am convinced it was from a boil off of R4SFP.

    a) It was already over crowded with freshly spent fuel and new fuel ready to load, along with the current payload that was too full to begin with. (aka lots-o-heat)

    b) Power loss = circulation lost = rapid rise in water temp = off gas via biol off = hydrogen explosion

  • Nick

    I get to make my own conclusions since NOBODY is telling us the truth about Fukushima.

    To say
    "the technology has not been invented yet" means things are dire at the plant.

    To have us focus on fuel removal ignores the vast quantities of radiation permeating the site already.

    Tough times ahead folks.

    Get ready.

    • artika rama

      nick Just this sentence should be enough to show how irresponsible these criminals are ..
      "the technology has not been invented yet"
      If it isnt why build these death machines ?

  • Nobody is telling the truth inside TEPCO, regulators, or Japan government. But there are a few people exposing what is going on, truthfully, both inside and outside Japan.

    • Wyakin Wyakin

      Dr. GH-Exactly. As you know, whoever controls the meaning of language and its use, controls understanding. Telling the truth in such a reality is difficult for most. It also may require a level of self sacrifice few would undertake, and most critics would never themselves contemplate.

      I think this story does at least affirm of Arnie’s cigarette pack analogy used for fuel removal. Ono’s lit cigarette analogy addition is ridiculous. IMO, this is a first class MSM record straightening PR effort.

      Here’s how it works. Overriding message: SPF4 is intact, no mean looking Yakuza bosses are present, and Tepco is mostly in control of the situation, cleanup will occur. Demonstrate w/ examples of proficient minimization:

      “…the site was the horror of a radioactive no zone, now it’s safe enough to go inside for a few hours.” Message: it’s improving at the plant, prospects are looking up.

      “…reactors will be emitting radiation for years…” Message: It’s important to express duration in the lowest possible denominator so as not to cause needless worry. Although this event is short lived, units of quantification can be placed in front of the noun as required. No need to pointlessly equate “years” to decades, centuries, or millennium(?).

      Doane: “… I’m suiting up in the same protective suit the 4,300 decontamination workers wear…” Message: It is safe for workers wearing these protective suits to work at the plant. PS. There are no homeless people here, just lots of white suits…

      • Wyakin Wyakin

        “[the other reactors] are so radioactive that the technology to dismantle them does not exist yet. Message: It will exist.

        “TEPCO injects hundreds of tons of water daily into the reactors to keep them cool…groundwater is pouring into the damaged reactors and has to be pumped out and stored.” Message: Fuel in the reactors, as opposed to somewhere else, needs to be kept cool using water. The water situation is under control. Water is injected into the reactors in a controlled fashion; groundwater is all being pumped out and stored in a controlled manner.

        Doane:“…In 4 hours I received less than a chest x ray…” Message: it must be safe to walk around the plant for an extended period of time; X-rays are not that dangerous.

        “The 24-hour-a-day cleanup operation is just beginning…” Message: Cleanup is possible. We haven’t yet started cleanup, but don’t judge us based on what we haven’t accomplished after nearly 3 years, since we haven’t actually started.

        “…it could cost upwards of $100 billion and take up to 40 years to complete.” Message: maybe it will only cost $101 Billion USD, a quite affordable sum compared to the $500-1,000 Billion USD estimates offered by other experts.

        And so the MSM media reporting of the truth continues…

  • patb2009

    they can empty the SFPs in 4 and 3, maybe 1.

    unit 2 has so much radiation it's really hard to work there.

    as for the reactors, what's the point the cores are in the basement or below.

  • RonM RonM

    I wonder if this means the removal of the "low hanging fruit" the undamaged rods is coming to an end and the real dangerous , hazardous , risky work will be commencing soon.

    Maybe we will get the signal when they return to remove more ofth unspent rods, which if I'm correct are safer to move but would release much more radiation if a meltdown occurs.

    Can some of the more informed posters comment if this is correct or not or even somewhat correct?