CNN: Experts call Japan cleanup effort meaningless — An endless task that’s simply spreading around radiation (VIDEO)

Published: December 23rd, 2012 at 10:10 pm ET
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Title: Japan Ghost Town
Source: CNN
Author: Alex Zolbert
Date: December 23, 2012
Description: It’s an endless task cleaning the nuclear fallout at Japan’s Fukushima plant

At 2:30 in

Some question if this cleanup is really worth it.

Critics, including some academics in Japan, experts on radiation and nuclear energy, call efforts like these meaningless. Using high pressure hoses simply spreads the radiation.

Watch the video here

Published: December 23rd, 2012 at 10:10 pm ET
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47 comments to CNN: Experts call Japan cleanup effort meaningless — An endless task that’s simply spreading around radiation (VIDEO)

  • CaptD CaptD

    Finally some truth about Japans Trillion Dollar Eco-Disaster!

    BTW: This site now has PRO Nuclear ads, WTF is going on here?


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    • Dogleg Dogleg

      That's OK. We'll take their money and put it to good use. Nobody on this site will be influenced by their ads anyway


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      • bwoodfield bwoodfield

        Frankly I generally ignore the ads to the point that until CaptD mentioned it I didn't realize they were there


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      • kongrufus kongrufus

        I second that :-D ENEnews unfortunately to my understanding has no control over the add slots that google has bought on the site. (other than to close the add slots and lose the income) and as most of the text on the site is about nuclear, the add 'machine' will think that also pro-nuclear adds will be relevant for the site. I think it's kinda fun! This way, the nuclear industry actually pays part of the cost for proper information to the public about their lies ;-)


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        • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

          HAHAHA, Yeah I like that logic too! I hadn't really noticed them until it was brought up in this thread and was reminded of the same annoying ads would happen on certain social networks!LOL!
          Moral of story;"He who calleth one a douche-bag on FaceBook will face the excruciating obfuscation & karmatic demasculation as they endureth an endless sea of Massengil,Summer's Eve and Kotex ads & animations that leaves one with that "not so fresh feeling" :(


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          • kongrufus kongrufus

            Indeed :-)

            And, if i'm not mistaken, we could actually do ENEnews an even greater favor (and drain the nuke-companies even more) by clicking the adds, and then surf about for a while on their site. I am sure not one person coming from here would be influenced by anything on there :-D

            Admin: I know it's OT, i'll leave it now :-)


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  • Max1 Max1

    As long as the reactors are cracked and leaking, Itate will NEVER be radiation free.


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  • kalidances

    If CNN has arrived to the party there is about to be a very unpleasant disclosure very soon. The media giants like to make things sensational. They may also be starting to assign blame so Obama can appear as if he had no idea of what was happening. It's too late for that.

    So stay calm and make sure to have all saved informational links or contact numbers regarding stats, scientists, doctors, medical reports, specialists, prior emails and letters to the media and/or politicians etc right at hand.

    It has been my experience that every time there is a major admission admin has to backup against server attacks, the troll and shill count will increase, and there will be more planted, deliberately incorrect articles.

    Make sure to double and triple check all research stats now.


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    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

      Excellent points kalidances & sad but true. TPTB also makes these announcements when they *hope that most people are not watching the news…

      Also a good point to make is to makes sure that you have downloaded & saved to your computer any reports & other documents & videos. Always assume that they will disappear off the net. Of course external drives are important for backups. Also consider having at least 2 e-mail addresses where you can e-mail yourself backups of various files ect.


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  • weeman

    Why bother untill you stop the on going leakage of radiation that continually replenishes its self, better to put your resources to better use and stop trying to pull the wool over the proverbial sheep, even if and if is a big word stop the plant from spewing vast amounts radioactive isotopes, you will never completely decontanimate to where you could grow food again, it is their for ever and ever.


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  • Myme

    The Mancuso-Stewart-Kneal study (1994-77) of the Hanford nuclear weapons facility workers found a clear correlation between higher cancer risks from low dose radiation. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1008976/)

    Dr. Alice Stewart said that their study revealed that the workers who were exposed to slightly elevated background radiation on regular basis were over 20 times more likely to develop cancer in their lifespan than the U.S. government was telling people then.

    According to Dr. Stewart, being exposed to low dose radiation on regular basis is more efficient way to develop cancers. Common fallacy is that lowering the exposure dose would reduce health risk; it does not. (This, as well as how flawed Hiroshima/Nagaski study became the golden standard for setting safety limit, is explained well in this excellent book if you have a chance to read it: http://www.amazon.com/Woman-Who-Knew-Too-Much/dp/0472087835 )

    So, by power-hosing and carelessly flowing contaminants into underground watershed, diluting by mixing contaminants with clean food/soil/water and transporting them to clean areas and burning them, these Japanese politicians and nuclear industry are actually spreading the Fukushima contamination to wider areas of Japan as well as to the entire world. They are actually increasing future cancer rates and and planting the seeds for DNA mutation in the entire world population.


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  • Commonsense seems to have flown out the window.

    It only SPREADS and ACCUMULATES.

    As long as the Fukushima Nuclear Facility is spewing these combinations of goo then it's like bailing water from a sinking ship with a plastic cup and the cups got a hole in it.

    Decontamination is more like Recontamination at this point.

    Three choices:
    1. Move the Radioactive Contamination away.
    (currently not working)
    2. Pretend and deny that it will harm you.
    (may give the illusion of working in the short term)
    3. Move away from the Radioactive Contamination
    (evacuate!)


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  • razzz razzz

    Dr. Alice Stewart linked low-level x-ray radiation to cancer like with scanners used at airports…

    http://www.ccnr.org/Alice_Stewart.html

    If Japan is attempting to spread the radiation around, I guess it is working. Living in an airtight filtered house with an airtight filtered garage then getting into an airtight filter vehicle traveling to an airtight filtered store and back, leaves a lot to be desired.

    Do they even filter the incinerator smoke or use scrubbers for any fly-ash? Any residue is going to be radioactive. I'm sure heat has no effect on radiation and incineration only concentrates any radiation into the remaining ash and smoke.

    If one NPP working reactor core contains the equivalent of 1,000 nuclear Hiroshima type bombs, is that finite? Or does any further (accidental) fissioning create new man made materials not accounted for yet, adding to even more potential fallout besides the starting point of potential fallout from 1,000 nuclear bombs?

    When do these chain reactions ever exhaust themselves of fissionable materials? If it was yesterday or a billion years from now, I would like to know the answer.


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  • razzz razzz

    Dr. Alice Stewart linked low-level x-ray radiation to cancer like with scanners used at airports…

    http://www.ccnr.org/Alice_Stewart.html

    If Japan is attempting to spread the radiation around, I guess it is working. Living in an airtight filtered house with an airtight filtered garage then getting into an airtight filter vehicle traveling to an airtight filtered store and back, leaves a lot to be desired.

    Do they even filter the incinerator smoke or use scrubbers for any fly-ash? Any residue is going to be radioactive. I'm sure heat has no effect on radiation and incineration only concentrates any radiation into the remaining ash and smoke.

    If one NPP working reactor core contains the equivalent of 1,000 nuclear Hiroshima type bombs, is that finite? Or does any further (accidental) fissioning create new man made materials not accounted for yet, adding to even more potential fallout besides the starting point of potential fallout from 1,000 nuclear bombs?

    When do these chain reactions ever exhaust themselves of fissionable materials? If it was yesterday or a billion years from now. I would like to know the answers.


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  • papacares papacares

    (sarc)
    Wasn't part of the plan to let all the radioactive nuclides go into the ocean so the large fish could metabolize it?

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/30/radioactive-bluefin-tuna-crossed-pacific-to-us/
    (quote)
    "But scientists did not expect the nuclear fallout to linger in huge fish that sail the world because such fish can metabolize and shed radioactive substances."

    problem solved (sarc intended)


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  • ftlt

    Sadly, I see no hope for us… Fukushima is just one… The rate of nuclear power plant failures is going to increase rapidly as they age, climate change effects effect the grid and weather events increasingly threaten the plants themselves, increasing level of war/s, the normal rate natural disasters and peak everything has been reached (most importantly food and water) leading to global instability (more war)…

    Perhaps, the worst thing of all is the dominate political system we are stuck with… One that demands growth!!! These thing are going to be kept running and new ones will be built… Too much money is to be made ad there are just too many greedy powerful idiots in the world…..

    What we have sown = example – Corrosive inclined piping buried underground under the most toxic sites on earth to save money!!!… That these pipes were not tunneled for maintenance was quite simply insane..

    All the seeds have been sown … We are about ready for a grim harvest…

    Really think, the simple math that Gundersen did on natural disaster threat to nukes was perfect … Showing the hubris, that the thinking that a 1000 year event designs are somehow safe is plain wrong It showed, it is worth next to nothing in a major population of nuclear plants…. The number of plants is a multiplier… The Horses rear ends!!!

    Technology has become a planetary disease


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      really ftlt? "Technology has become a planetary disease"? I was still working on one of your other 'insightful' statements from yesterday: "Occupy!!!… And Smash FFFF'n Capitalism!!!" [see http://enenews.com/report-radioactive-fallout-around-fukushima-incineration-plant-being-hidden-very-odd-videos/comment-page-1#comment-317409 ]

      I'm curious about your nihilism. Irrespective of ideology, we can all agree with your outrage at our collective stupidity. But your dismal attitude contributes little to the need for constructive solutions.

      It's as though you're working from a Maoist play-book which instructs the 'revolutionary' to exploit the disenfranchised and their conditions, as means of garnering their participation in party objectives. Do you honestly believe there's any going back to an agrarian worker's state?

      Humans have now found themselves at the end of centuries of negative thinking, which only led to a 'perceived' justification for murder, endless strife and further recriminations.

      Critical thinking should be applied to a future that frees us all from the darkness. Responsible application of technology can light the way…


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      • richard richard

        I agree aftershock. Technology isn't necessarily the problem, it's the abuse and misuse by certain sections of the community that is the issue.

        Nukes need to be dumped, if we can a clean power supply there is little reason not to use technology.

        Our friend ftlt is probably from a more feral camp. They want anarchy and seem to want to go back to a neaderthal existence, which would probably be wide open to corruption and abuse.

        It's also the feral camp who are non achievers, their 'drive' is misdirected and ineffective. They don't want technology because other people are better at applying themselves with it.

        Give me clean energy, high technology and an aware and creative, compassionate community, then I'll believe the world has taken another step up in it's evolution.


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          to think richard, I didn't even get into developing the history of this communication's medium and how it's serving to bring-about real change…

          my best to you brother, in this up-coming year…

          …must jump!


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        • voltscommissar

          Richard said: "If we can _DEVELOP_ a clean power supply there is little reason not to use technology."

          Well I'm not sure I'm a peasant agrarian Maoist, but this still leaves unanswered TWO elephants in the living room:

          1. Finite planet, perpetual growth economics? "Computer says Nahhh…"

          2. 7bn people already and a "by-2050" global GHG target of under 7 billion tonnes CO2(e) p.a. Once again. does not compute!! "Computer says Nahhhh…!"

          So until this aggressive hominid ape (male AND FEMALE!!) takes real responsibility for population control, and adopts in international law an absolute cap on global emissions — shared equally amongst all peoples of the Earth — I'm more inclined to agree with ftlt :-(

          BTW, computer says nahhh… is just a funny quote from UK comedy show "Little Britain"


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          • voltscommissar

            "SMASH THE BUSINESS MODEL OF THE NUKE AND COAL CROOKS"

            My posts today are coming from my _other_ off-grid house, this one in Kensington suburb of melbourne Australia. Today teh house is having an open day to display my PV-battery-inverter system to the neighbours. One Saturday in coming weeks it will be featured on teh Saturday edition of this national radio program http://www.abc.net.au/am/

            Will post a link when the audio is on the ABC site. It is Japanese home owners who need to get the message about off-grid solar, because it is the only way to fight the Nuclear Village crooks. What we in Australia call "destroying the business model of the nuclear terrorists! Follow the money with an anti-monopolistic home power solar PV system on your roof. It is a no-brainer now that PV is so incredibly cheap.


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            • Anthony Anthony

              Awesome, will watch for link to learn more.


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              of course, voltscommissar, you are aware that your efforts wouldn't be possible without the 'growth' in the 'technology'…

              BTW. I'm currently spec'ing an off-grid power system for use in a residential setting. It'll be under 5KW. I'm also adding a 3-phase bicycle generator into the mix. (Doing the efficiency study now.) Best of luck in your efforts!


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          • richard richard

            hi volts, shock. i suppose we should be going OT.

            anyway.. i understand 'growth' (squeeze) and population are an issue, and i wont even pretend to have answers there.

            the wagon i'm riding is to say that if power is clean and abundant, many issues of technology can be discounted and at the same time open opportunities for new 'paradigms'.

            i appreciate it's a bit of a pipe dream. but if all power was renewable and minimal or zero carbon emmitting – and was over abundant – we could leave the lights on for as long as we liked, we could interweb 24/7/365, we could provide health and sanitation at little expense. With all this, certain elements of greed and exploitation can be removed, and new found freedoms can arise.

            the house i'm in has 6 or more solar electric panels, providing x kwatts.. don't ask me exactly right now.

            that way, in the dark of night here, my power came from the day time.

            one concern is batteries and the exotic metals. they need to be recycled, without any lose. and watch for exploitation of tribal areas in the extraction of these metals. (oh, many are used with nukes anyway).

            certainly all is not well in the world. Will it change to the way we like? not likely. With so many players on the field wanting the game to run their way, we're bound to bump into each other sometimes ;)

            i just don't want to go back to pre-industrial life. there are too many fringe beneftis. we just need to make the industrial world a lot more…


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              double-plus richard. I might differ on your suggestion that energy is the key to our ills. It's (currently) one, but far from being the only one. I do agree with your intuitive statement about paradigm shifts. I think a combined mix of advanced technology and 'organic' techniques will lead to a working balance. We need to go in both directions, to find the middle path. And please keep in mind, I would ban all genetically engineered and nano technologies use within the planet's biosphere. I'm all for research into advanced technologies but if there's even the remotest possibility that it will effect the natural balance of the planet's biosphere (micro or macro), then we'd have to consider limiting it to exo-planetary environs. As the aforementioned technologies range in application and impact, existing and prospective ones would have to pass strict environmental impact studies before deployment with the planet's environment. Otherwise, regardless of perceived ROI, they would eventually be phased-out and ultimately be limited to use within the isolated conditions of outer-space.

              That's my take and I'm standing by it…gulp…


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              • richard richard

                Yes shock, technology that abuses natural life systems can't be acceptable. I think that to all of us here, GMOs are certainly close to on par with nukes. The potential for catastrophic consequences would seem as high, and with the same chapter of disruption to DNA.

                To you and I, it seems intuitive. But I realize that by writing it out as you have, it brings clarity to the definition of the world we'd all like to see. Thanks for providing those added details.


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                • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                  agreed on the GMO threat richard. Only in the last couple of years have I come to realize just how dangerous GMOs are, to us and the environment…

                  …and thanks for the flowers!


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    • PraisingJesus(Eashoa’ M’sheekha) anne

      ftlt, I agree that some technology is a planetary disease. Pesticides, GMOs, fracking, oil from shale, cell phones, and cell phone towers, and especially nuclear are all examples of technology that harm the planet no matter how it is used.


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    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

      I posted my comment in OT forum


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    • m a x l i

      It's always fascinating to receive absolute anti-technology opinions through the internet.


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        so with you m a x l i. Curious how many know the real history behind the internet's creation. No…not Al Gore's version; the real version. I'll leave a clue…DARPA…


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  • PurpleRain PurpleRain

    Maybe instead of a national debt clock they should have a nuclear plant "accident" type clock made really HUGE and placed somewhere like in NYC for all the major media networks to NOT avoid during their broadcasts. (I know…wishful thinking, huh).


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  • Gradius

    1. Move the Radioactive Contamination away.
    (currently not working)
    2. Pretend and deny that it will harm you.
    (may give the illusion of working in the short term)
    3. Move away from the Radioactive Contamination
    (evacuate!)

    1. Impossible, three of them are already fused.
    2. Inevitable mass death.
    3. You can't just evacuate 50 millions or more people. Only Tokyo has 36 millions with metropolitan area included.


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