CNN Nuclear Expert: Fukushima plant is in ‘uncharted territory’ — Highly radioactive water to either be boiled until it evaporates, or dumped in ocean

Published: August 6th, 2013 at 10:09 pm ET
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Title: Japan struggles with Fukushima water leaks
Source: CNN
Author: Matt Smith
Date: August 6, 2013

[...] highly radioactive water from the site has been seeping into groundwater and the harbor off the plant. [...]

[...] The problem now is what to do with groundwater that’s leaking into the damaged basements of the reactor buildings and passing out contaminated, said Michael Friedlander, a former nuclear plant operator and engineer. [...]

[Tepco] is having to store the radioactive water in massive tank farms built around the site — a makeshift solution with no good permanent fix, Friedlander said. [...]

And Friedlander said that may leave TEPCO and Japan’s government with two choices sure to stoke further public anger: “You can either dump it in the ocean, or you can evaporate it.”

“At the end of the day, collecting 400 tons of water every single day is not a sustainable solution,” he said.

Federal officials allowed the Three Mile Island nuclear plant [...] to let contaminated water evaporate, Friedlander said — but TMI was nowhere near the scale of the Fukushima disaster.

“We’re in uncharted territory here,” he said.

Orlando Sentinel, Nov. 25, 1992: Nuclear Plant To Release Radioactive Evaporation [...] radiation will be released into the atmosphere, but not enough to be harmful, [Three Mile Island] spokeswoman Mary Wells said.

AP, April 17, 1987: The water [...] could be boiled into steam without significant harm to the environment, says GPU Nuclear Corp., operator of the Pennsylvania plant.

See also: Japan's Top Nuclear Official: Tepco will never be able to store all the radioactive water at Fukushima plant -- They'll end up dumping it into ocean

Published: August 6th, 2013 at 10:09 pm ET
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32 comments to CNN Nuclear Expert: Fukushima plant is in ‘uncharted territory’ — Highly radioactive water to either be boiled until it evaporates, or dumped in ocean

  • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

    This is unacceptable. Shouldn't this be an open-and-shut case in the courts across the world? Nuclear Engineers are making statements left and right that there is nothing they can do with the contaminated water but dump it into the ocean or let it evaporate. It is up to the people of the world to stand up and yell that this is unacceptable. TEPCO is getting ready to bow-out of the entire mess, and dump all of the retained water into the ocean. There is no reason for that! There is no reason whatsoever that TEPCO cannot build more tanks and store them inland in Japan…and if ALL options are thus exhausted, and the ONLY option left is to release all stored materials, then that is PROOF that in the event of a meltdown all materials will be scattered/dumped. This is not in any of their OFFICIAL handbooks, is it! Don't these plants need justifications in order to be built, let alone continue to operate? Doesn't every plant in the world have the burden of proof that their radioactive materials will not escape? Fukushima is proof that in the event of an accident, all material is lost! The responsible company has to either accept 100% responsibility for 100% of ALL damages. When dealing with material that could wipe out a country, let alone an entire planet, the damage cannot be rectified by ANY cost. Thus, no company (or tax-paying nation) will ever be able to burden an accident of this magnitude. Continued…


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    • Teddi Teddi

      So where is the superfund ? Like BP in the gulf, Japan should be pressed by the eco left for a resolution fund in the trillions. The left went after BP like radioactive piranha to extract the the appropriate "pound of flesh", but I don't see any of that in this situation…

      ..my point is – where is that gaggle of leftist econ "planet savers" that has been funneled hundreds of billions over the last decade plus because of AGW – where are they now ?

      If they would jumped on this with full force like they did BP in the gulf, you would have gotten the attention you seek and hopefully that much attention begets solutions.


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    • omniversling

      This has been going on since the beginning. Watch here how the 'ex-experts' tested 'moderation'. In the open air. All that has changed is the number of tonnes/minute that are vaporised:

      Safety experiment on a boiling water reactor‬ conducted by the Argonne National Lab

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WfNzJVxVz4

      And see Unit 4 SFP sloshing over = boiling (end of clip)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYNGxWWG6K4&list=PLEB62353576416782&index=47

      Peace


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  • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

    …will ever be able to [carry the] burden [of] an accident of this magnitude. THUS, there is absolutely NO justification whatsoever of building or continuing to operate these facilities. All of the promises and "risk assessments" have now been proven wrong BY EXAMPLE. Fukushima is the PROOF.

    Come on, are there no lawyers in our whole crew here on ENE? Not one of you is a lawyer, or has a family member that is, or a friend? Come on, the U.S. Navy sailors brought suits…why can't we? I'm ready…and I'm sure a lot of you are, too. Who out there is ready to file some papers? Enough is enough, let's show them that we the people mean business.


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  • nedlifromvermont

    you are right MoonlightEmpire … and all the nuclear idiot scientists in the world are dead wrong …

    Keep hammering away at these Mengeles, these fools who play god for a higher salary than their honest brethren …

    we have been betrayed by these fascist thugs, and they know it now, too

    Uranium should have been left in the ground

    A massive failure of private enterprise (General Electric, are you even listening?

    peace …


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Nuclear scientists (collectively, of the world) have no way to turn off their invention. Can't turn it off.


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    • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

      Correct. Always with the big picture.

      Nuclear is an ongoing crime against humanity. Every single person on the planet–no matter who they are or what situation they are in–is collectively burdened by the SAME, man-made humanitarian crisis that is nuclear.

      No other humanitarian crisis in the existence of humanity (as far as I can see) has involved 7 billion people at the same time.

      I'm not kidding about the lawyers. It's now or never.


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      • ML

        The nuclear that human fools created with no off switch is a crime against all life. It was born out of desire to cause mass destruction then warped into the Atoms for Peace fiasco. And the lies have gotten only worse.
        May life find a way past such destructiveness. (Veriditas.) May the nuclear disasters become lessons learned, not to be repeated. To survive, we need to honor life and nuture it, not seek to destroy it. Human life is dependent on other life forms.


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  • BirdOfTheFeather BirdOfTheFeather

    They will end up dumping the whole place into the ocean ,, There is no cleaning up this mess


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  • johnnyo

    Wow, 8 articles in the Fuku section today. Looks like about a hundred or so total comments so I'm probably not the first to mention it's the tragic anniversary of Hiroshima. Pandora and the Genie couldn't conceive a child so they borrowed the womb of the devil. That offspring aint goin anywhere near the box again.


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  • Kassandra

    What I want to know is why the contaminated water is being covered so extensively now when the problem has been ongoing for over 2 years?

    The contaminated water is HORRIFIC beyond conception, but I strongly suspect there is something else, worse, behind the scenes.

    The steam release this morning included stuff that looked very much like oily smoke:

    http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/porewater4/media/06086_zps039826a0.png.html

    http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/porewater4/media/06087_zps379f8217.png.html

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4yxy603y4lb6kw/August%206%20What%20is%20the%20black%20spot.pptx

    Iodine-131 has been spiking in Japan (http://optimalprediction.com/wp/upsurge-of-iodine-131-in-japan-daiichi-on-fire/ ).

    Steam or smoke can be seen rising from the ground here
    http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/porewater4/media/06087_zps379f8217.png.html

    I wonder whether the contaminated water stories are a desperate cover for a bigger story about growing criticalities?

    Thoughts?


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    • BirdOfTheFeather BirdOfTheFeather

      Yep ,, Any one of the recent quakes could have opened bigger cracks in the place


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    • papacares papacares

      @ kass – exactly and to the point – regular enewsers have monitored this for 2+ years running now and suddenly it is all the news. Something is definitely afoot.


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      • I believe what is afoot is that during the last 5.8 liquefaction was observed around the reactors bases…

        Hence the last article mentioning the aquifer.

        It's likely that the last two years of h20 intake into the groundwater system had destabilized the very foundation of the units. the additional weight and water is highly radiated and being siphoned to the surface with each new eq related incident. to make matters worse the foundations are presently supporting the very unstable fuel pools which are withholding an apocalyptic amount of uranium and plutonium… No one can dig, we've learned from Louisiana that geologists haven't a clue as to how to approach such earth changes, and should these reactors topple over have mercy on our souls…

        What is afoot is what has always been apparent. However Yeovil is now publicly calling a surrender and asking anyone and everyone in the world for solutions by releasing these articles…

        Pity, that no one took interest sooner, but for the most part since then and even now the


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    • KDM KDM

      The place is probably about ready to blow up again, fluctuations in temperature, rising water, steam, etc… You can take it to the bank the whole truth will never come out. Tepco has been grabbing at straws and now their cup is empty. They are ready to say "Fuku we're out of here".


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    • Sol Man

      That is some serious smoke. (It was from day 1!) The pics cause me to wonder, is metal burning? Monster problem, if so.
      It sounds like too many of the nucleocrats are trying to fade the heat like the Wells quote above; as in, "Don't look at me, or here!It's only a minor problem. Move along!"


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  • Gasser Gasser

    0boy! we get to have Radioactive Saunas with Buckie Ball additives to give us that glowing radiance look we need before we get chucked into the cremation oven that ultimately will be the heat source (TEPCO needs to save the $) that will be used to boil off and release more radioactive steam.

    I wonder if Three Mile Island spokeswoman Mary Wells would take a naked Strontium Sauna with me, she says its not enough to be harmful.

    Folks its party time, if you don't let it all hang out now you never will in the rapidly approaching later, Got Bucket list?


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  • patb2009

    maybe they can use it to make slurpies.

    What would Montgomery Burns do?


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    I don't know if you have seen this video by Dr. Conrad Miller (epidemiologist)
    This video is worth watching.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyYYPe6mkxE

    Also, here is another link he suggested:

    http://cinemaforumfukushima.org/2013/07/01/human-rights-now-physicians-for-social-responsibility-peace-boat-us-present/


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    MoonlightEmpire you are on fire and its very good… to get mad!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tBnhe8ciCw


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    • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

      Thanks. May the force be with you.

      I've been here since the beginning…reading all the articles…checking all the links…watching the videos…reading about each of the properties of each of these radioactive elements…

      I'm no expert, but I've learned a lot over the past 2.5 years, and I'm tired of being quiet about it.

      Not to mention that it only took most of us (I was previously completely in the dark about nuclear) a couple of minutes to know the situation was bad…and (for me) the past couple of years to gather the supporting evidence to confirm all those initial suspicions….

      I'm pissed off. I want more local, community involvement in this to bring about the obiously necessary changes. Anyone interested, please contact me.

      Thanks go out to everyone here who has contributed, on this site or in your own ways. Keep it up, and get together.


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  • jackassrig

    What concerns me is those rickety structures. All that water weight of the SFP and on the fifth floor. Earthquake G forces at the ground level magnify with height.


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    • We Not They Finally

      We even KNOW what is happening on the fifth floor of reactor #3? That whole structure looks like the burnt out Murrah Building in Oklahoma City.


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      • We Not They Finally

        Excuse me, reactor #4. Not that we are clear on reactor #3 either! There is an article on agreenroad detailing how as of a year or more ago, there were already THREE THOUSAND BILLION lethal doses of plutonium sent into the air from the explosion at #3.


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  • We Not They Finally

    They need to force the poisoned water INLAND, AWAY from the Pacific Ocean, which they neither own nor have the right to pollute. Evacuate the people, force their poisonous crap INLAND, and let Japan drown!! Instead, the entire WORLD is supposed to be expendable to these people's criminality?

    Then maybe we can organize The People's Colonic. Force 400 tons of poisoned water a day up TEPCO's (well, you know the rest.) Not to be crude. I just don’t think that we should all have to die at the hands of these criminals.


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  • Check out "Dr. Steven Wing" on Vimeo http://vimeo.com/69079812
    “Health Impacts of Radiation Release from Nuclear Facilities: Lessons Past and Present”
    HD, 31 min 41 sec, in English

    or this site:
    http://wp.me/p2g2dl-gx


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  • zerummc

    The fish is already radioactive in U.S.A http://intellihub.com/2013/05/29/absolutely-every-one-bluefin-tuna-tested-in-california-waters-contaminated-with-fukushima-radiation/ Japan really destroy our planet. Why don't anybody do something?, what does money matter if the planet is poisend.Our children will have a hard time. Thanks Japan.


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  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    I don't know who's idea it was to boil the radioactive water, but will someone please give them a SLAP, preferably with something hard !!!

    This was the advice given to the Japanese public in March 2011…

    http://www.blindbatnews.com/2011/03/do-not-boil-radioactive-water/1749

    and this was from an elementary school in 1999 ( Lester Elementary School )

    http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem99/chem99405.htm

    Heavily radioactive water = heavily radioactive steam = heavily radioactive rain.


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  • Cisco Cisco

    david7426…"I don't know who's idea it was to boil the radioactive water, but will someone please give them a SLAP, preferably with something hard !!!"

    That would be by the same psychopaths who devised locating incinerators throughout Japan to burn the radioactive debris and then dump the ash into Tokyo Bay. Really, no shit…they are actually still doing this!

    Chris Busby thinks it's a despicable intentional plan to raise the background limits, so that the psychopaths have a higher baseline to lessen the appearance of the larger contamination. Lights and mirrors…that's their game. They don't know it yet, but their walking dead men too.


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    • davidh7426 davidh7426

      Cisco… "…They don't know it yet, but their walking dead men too." -

      A thought that brings a small warm glow to my heart, that at least this time the B******s are their own judge, jury and executioner. And that at least this time they won't be getting away with it.


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