Published: August 17th, 2012 at 3:21 am ET
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Title: Louisiana Sinkhole Opens Up
Source: CNN
Date: August 16, 2012
At 4:20 in
Lieutenant General Russel Honore, US Army (Retired): “Right now the DEQ [Department of Environmental Quality] has put out sensors and has established a red zone around this sinkhole because they’re concerned about the quality of air that’s coming out of that sinkhole.”
Published: August 17th, 2012 at 3:21 am ET
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About time. Air monitors finally being installed. How long has this been going on? That should be done at the start in any such disaster. Who's in charge here? "Heck of a Job Brownie?"
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Don talks to General Honore about possible causes of a 324 foot wide sinkhole that has forced evacuations in Louisiana.
Aug 13, 2012 | 04:45
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The word 'sensors' is intentionally ambiguous…
… What kind of sensors are in place?
Any results coming in?
It's already been three days…
… How's the air quality?
Any clue, anyone?
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I missed the point where TEPCO is involved here. (Energy companies drilling… I get it)
FUKUSHIMA, JAPAN,
RADIATION BREATH OF DEATH
Throughout this last year I am confident that a complete resolution will soon be at hand in resolving this most dire situation, that we all face, and dread.
Judging from the past track record of:
CNN, FOX, MSNBC, EPA, DNR, NOAA, CONGRESS, SENATE, UN, FDA, EXCITIVE BRANCH (US),
BROTHERHOOH OF THE CLOCKED DAGGER,
NSA, CIA, FBI, DHS, BLACKWATER, PENTAGON, ARMY CORP OF ENGINEERS,
THE MUNITIONS INDUSTRY, WALL STREET, LONDON BANKING CARTEL,
CHURCH OF SATAN,
and a host of others, …. I believe things are getting better.
I hope you all appreciate the dedicated efforts of all the aforementioned groups, that endeavor, to keep us safe and secure, in this life.
ZP
(Comments appreciated)
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YouTUBE link to:
Assumption Parish Police Jury
http://www.youtube.com/user/assumptionla
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Hello Max1
I am watching this story and have come across information from a retired fire captain and Fire Protection Specialists.
http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=49
* Permission to repost granted by author.
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More disinformation.
It's natural gas leaking and has been bubbling up for a long time now. At first they disregarded the monitoring sensors already in place and all of a sudden they are concerned. (Glean the info from The Oil Drum site)
I suppose they have 'no smoking' signs up by now.
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If it's natural gas, razzz, then maybe some company WAS fracking in the area after all and thinking with hubris that they could get around the intentionally stored chemicals and such?
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And, love the "no smoking signs"
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"concerns about quality of air coming out"
Oh… it's air… don't panic about butane.
No need to concern…
Hmmm, propably we should fill this hole with politicans.
Their greed make them sticky – a perfect seal.
/sarc.
h.
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All these sinkholes have appeared within the past month… coincidnce?
Colorado Sinkhole – Aug 11th
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/08/11/sinkhole-closes-state-highway-67/
Philadelphia, PA sinkhole, July 24th
http://www.phillyburbs.com/my_town/quakertown/sinkhole-closes-haycock-bridge/article_5ed7da78-43a5-5f75-87e1-e74034ebde21.html
Omaha, NE sinkhole, July 26th
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48329946/ns/local_news-omaha_ne/t/familys-garden-gives-way-sinkhole/
Baltimore MD sinkhole, July 26th
http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/region/baltimore_city/sinkhole-widens-repairs-still-pending
Allentown, PA sinkhole, July 28
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Sinkhole-Evacuations-Allentown-Pennsylvania-164145286.html
Cleveland, OH sinkhole, July 30
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/traffic/traffic_news/sinkhole-swallows-west-54th-street-in-cleveland
Brooklyn NY sinkhole, Aug 1.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48453117
Idaho Sinkhole, Jul 19th
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/248496-Idaho-woman-killed-driving-to-work-after-sinkhole-opens-up-overnight-and-swallows-her-car
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Thanks for taking time to find and post the list. Whether or not these are directly related to one another it's hard to believe sinkholes of newsworthy size, even smaller ones, are this common.
(Unless sinkholes are temporarily a "meme theme" for news and they're reporting even tiny ones …somehow I doubt it, will check your list.) Thanks again!
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The Idaho sinkhole is attributed to a combination of gopher tunnels and water running – undermining highway. Most of the urban ones on the list are explained by broken aged water mains, (I didn't check all urban ones because water mains are such a common cause.) The Colorado one was not urban but highway built over an old mine and hole pretty small. So it looks like immediate, local, conditions can be used to explain them.
The gopher one makes more sense to me now that I've lived with gophers on my land – pretty amazing tunner builders, I've got old cement yard cover under my clothesline that's looking pretty fractured since I move in. (I think previous owners might have poisoned gophers, which I don't do, so I guess it's my consequence to live with!)
The only way I can figure to include "earth plate movement" as linked to cause would be that some or all above were hastened by a "tectonic nudge". Decrepit city water lines are known to be a problem just waiting to show up in most US urban locations. Still – pretty impressive that so many show up. While looking I saw a link to a story on "global sinkhole phenomenon" but didn't check it out. Thanks again!
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Holy crap – good searching!
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First they have no idea of how big the collapse will be heck they do not know what is happening except its getting bigger. The people in charge have to get a relief well dug we do know they thing is falling apart, no one has done a thing but flip some coins and make some guesses. Let x ray from space take detailed pictures lets do some sonar studies from where BP drilled to the great lakes lets see if the methane and rock is stable and lets stop the guessing and making assumptions lets get some concrete evidence. The letters from companies are no help they do not even know what is going on so lets do a emergency plan NOW and get some real answers.
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"Let x ray from space take detailed pictures"
Serious?
This means: let's sterilize earth with x-rays!
…always blind force…
h.
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X-Ray or Sonar we have to see what is going underground. if the Methane layer is thawing or there are cracks in the sub structure it has to be checked out some way
Mark
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I don't know much about it , but could these sink holes be related to 'Fracking' , in some way ?
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I think so, too, Cindy, along with the many large scale extraction activities humans do, including the water extraction Maggie123 posts below. Oil, gas, minerals, water..all things that hold up the crust of the earth. And Mggie123's above post about all the underground trench digging for water lines, too. With newer technology and greater need, humans are drilling and digging deeper and deeper. All the geologically engineering calculations and modeling of predictable earth stability ,or lack thereof, for any given project probably can no longer really apply. We also have to add in all the underground nuclear testing, and in this case, all the underground on land storage, and the offshore drilling and nuclear detonation drilling in the gulf down there. It's a wonder there are more sinkholes.
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Just came across an article of yet another possible — but I think very remote — land change that might influence ground shifting under our feet in some regions at least (not Louisiana, I'm pretty sure).
Agricultural water well drilling is on the increase as drought is felt across much of N. America. Aquifers are being drawn down faster than replenish rate, (in a few cases the aquifers don't receive any surface replenishment). These agricultural wells draw serious amounts of water. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0808/Drought-Farmers-dig-deeper-water-tables-drop-competition-heats-up
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@Maggie123
"These agricultural wells draw serious amounts of water."
Yet TPTB would have us believe that is is households that are responsible for so much water use! In actuality, agriculture accounts for the lion's share of water use (and they waste it needlessly), nuclear power also uses hefty amounts and industrial activity a smaller amount, yet still more than households!
Don't feel guilty. We are not responsible for the draw down of the aquifers–they are!
No need to worry. Our elected officials/agencies are on it!!! (sarcasm)
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Hi NoPrevarication – I didn't mean to mislead by omission but on behalf of myself and other farmers I need to speak to "blame" re water use. All my farming has been dryland, all gardens watered with scrupulous attention to minimizing evaporation to air. As much as possible both these are important. But I've lived (while farming) with cistern for household water, and even for a decade in another location with no plumbing at all. I have pretty strong views about the importance of "householder water conservation" as important in water conservation. Food is far more essential than a lot of the ways we use water. In a pinch – by my "conservation checklist" – households do not water lawns at all, water trees and shrubs with grey water if possible or if by hose only at slow trickle into ground overnight. Backyard swimming pools are generally "out" since evaporation is high and chlorination reduces other possible uses … etc. !! BUT – agricultural irrigation is a big issue! It's both necessary and uses huge amounts of water. Possibly (re this thread) it could theoretically in some situations lead to "cavities" under our feet?? We need to support farmers IMO, (I'm not speaking on behalf "corporate farms"). Thanks for "listening" !!
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Maggie123, i just read an article last week on the return to dry farming. Good for you! I live in a location that gets lots of water, western Oregon, but still conserve it and everything else. Not only do i use less of a resource, but, my whole relationship to the life around me deepens. I'm so glad to read the posts of someone on this site who makes such conscientious decisions. I agree about the farming on so many levels, but, i'm thinking that corporate farming has ratcheted up the impact to the Earth so high that she can't keep up.
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Vic, back in my no plumbing days, with a 250 gal indoor storage tank that could only be filled during Chinooks in winter, making snow a major water source, and child in cloth diapers and husband wearing shirts/ties to work, I developed water-conservation strategies that were pretty extreme by conventional water-saving practices. I must say I enjoyed escaping the conditions eventually, but retained the spirit and have resumed many of the practices now that drought is upon us, even though I have a conventional community infrastructure water supply. I also now read labels and won't buy rice (for instance) that comes from hot dry climates where the necessary irrigation is exposed to high evaporation. And me too – "so glad to read posts of someone who makes such conscientious decisions"! Thanks for the note! I think a lot of people imagine they're conserving – but have no idea what serious hauling would require and don't "engage the creative game" to see how much less they could use! When I conserve water, I imagine that what I don't use goes to earth and essential needs of wilderness as well as to people. It feels good – a way to pitch in.
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I just sent the admin some information seems that overseas Methane Hydrate under the ocean is bubbling up and thawing out due to the heat of the ocean, Is this what was going on with the bubbling in Louisiana
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2012/08/17/are-methane-hydrates-now-dissolving/
Mark
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Thanks, mark. It reminds me of Arto Lauri's claim about how Fukushima destabilized the methane layer. His claims about uranium and MOX fuel do seem to dovetail with available histories.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE7sq7Fjo0s
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Jeeze Louise! markww and NoNukes, for all i know about global warming, i didn't know about the thawing of the methane layer under the sea. Thx for the link. So, i wonder how that might effect the size of earthquakes? And, in full circle, wouldn't quakes add to the likelihood of more sink holes?
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I'm aware of northern ocean and permafrost methane releases but would never have thought of a similar consequence due to southern warming! Beautiful and scary – how truly interconnected all may be. And of course, both of subtle and obvious ways, intelligence should let us be aware!
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North Pole region Methane Hydrate Thawing
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Underground storage in salt dome caverns is nothing new. They have been using these caverns for decades to store flammable gas and other relatively stable compounds. What is new is what they are storing in these caverns, namely fracking related compounds, which are obviously affecting the structure of the salt dome, which has a structural problem in the first place. And a certain US political party wants to do away with all environmental laws that govern fracking, so that we can have more of these incidents.
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Massive Strong Earthquakes also could be at fault squeezing the USA Plate from a video by Dutchsinse attached here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcbLvO0-huQ&feature=youtu.be&a
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I checked out his presentation and found it intriguing. He connects tectonic dots (literally, figuratively) that I'd not even dreamed of. I checked a few more of his posts or interviews and pulled back a bit … some of what he seems convinced of are ideas I hold in "interesting, entertaining, speculative" awareness. But I *do* think it's possible patterns re earth changes and unusual phenomenon he connects have some validity. I'm not informed well enough to decide without entering a sharp science learning curve so for now am considering it a "heads up" for myself. The link you offer (which I picked up here from a different poster) is – I think – well worth a look. Thanks for posting it!
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I think it serves to know that speaking to Honore..is akin to speaking to Northern Command.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Joint_Task_Force_Katrina
also he is on the board of Crawford and Co.
They got out Honore ..things must be serious.
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CNN always gets out Honore when they need a "Louisiana disaster" comment. Their collection of talking heads is both small and highly structured.
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The link features an ALEC alert … is it related to Honore or are ALEC alerts a SourceWatch constant? I don't go to SourceWatch routinely so am not familiar with their site. (I *do* know about ALEC, am sure I've signed at least half a dozen petitions.)
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Would you believe there’s actually and ENTIRE SITE dedicated just to sinkholes… which are showing up everywhere (Canda, Russia, China, New Zeland, Mexico)… http://thesinkhole.org/
This one is my favorite… ]
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Green-SinkHole-Opens-in-La-Jolla-on-Campus-Point-Drive-131237104.html
IS ACTUALLY GLOWING GREEN!! Hmmm… wonder what could have caused it?!? (sarc)
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thesinkhole duly bookmarked. There is some metaphorical absurdity about sinkholes that is beyond words at this time for me!
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And I did mean to thank you for the link!!
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