Subsidence concerns at WIPP nuclear dump — Over 100 operating oil and gas wells within mile of site, a ‘very active’ area — Reserves ‘directly underneath’ buried waste — Fracking to take place nearby? (VIDEO)

Published: March 6th, 2014 at 6:32 pm ET


BBC, Mar 5, 2014: Radiation leak at America’s only nuclear waste repository threatens the future of waste storage […] On the road into the city, derricks pump oil from deep in the Earth. […]

Interview with WIPP expert Don Hancock of Southwest Research and Information Center, Nuclear Hotseat with Libbe HaLevy, Feb. 25, 2014 (at 27:00 in):

  • Don Hancock, Southwest Research and Information Center: Starting in 1999, only 4 of the 7 rooms were actually used because of the concern of the potential of a roof collapse […] Can the ceiling collapse, and fall on workers or drums and cause a release? Yes, that clearly can happen. That’s different than saying we know that that’s what happened […]
  • Libbe HaLevy, host: Sandia National Labs […] determined that there was a pressurized brine reservoir underlying as much as 80% of the WIPP site. Might seepage or some kind of erosion from this brine reservoir have contributed to the radiation leak?
  • Hancock: […] WIPP 12 was drilled within the bounds of the WIPP site a mile north of where the waste currently is being placed, in 1981, to demonstrate whether there was brine there or not. And guess what? It struck pressurized brine that flowed to the surface for 4 days […] There is also proven reserves of oil and natural gas directly underneath where the waste is. So the idea that the waste could get out either because in the future people drill into it or there’s some kind of a breach from pressurized brine, those things are possible. Another thing that could happen is that there are more than 100 operating oil and natural gas wells within a mile of the boundary of the WIPP site, today as we speak, and there are more all the time. This is a very active oil and gas production area. So when things like fracking start happening around the WIPP site, could there be problems caused by fracking? The answer to that is yes, there are lots of things that could happen. Whether any of these have happened yet or whether they are things that could just happen in the future, as far as we know, they are just things that could happen in the future.

KOAT, Feb. 27, 2014: Even those who do not work in the facility, but in the area, are worried […] some oil field workers in the area wondering […] “If they’re not supposed to be at work, and we’re working in this area, should we even be going down 128? What’s the safe distance that we should stay away?”

Dr. David Snow, PhD, Engineering Science at University of California-Berkeley, reviews subsidence issues at the WIPP site along with brine and oilfield-related risks in the paper ‘UNSAFE RADWASTE DISPOSAL AT WIPP‘.

Wikipedia: [Los Angeles’ Baldwin Hills dam failure] remains the subject of continuing interest. […] Authoritative Harvard engineer Karl Terzaghi whose ideas had long dominated […] the engineering science of soil mechanics […] made significant contributions to understanding subsidence in oilfields. […] A meticulously documented study [pointed] out various connections between oilfield operations in the Inglewood field and ground disturbances […]

Full Hancock interview hereWatch KOAT’s broadcast hereWatch the BBC broadcast here

Published: March 6th, 2014 at 6:32 pm ET


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112 comments to Subsidence concerns at WIPP nuclear dump — Over 100 operating oil and gas wells within mile of site, a ‘very active’ area — Reserves ‘directly underneath’ buried waste — Fracking to take place nearby? (VIDEO)

  • We Not They Finally

    Fracking. Brine. No NRC regulations. No EPA regulations. Exempt from all laws protecting the public against hazardous waste. Lies galore for years on end.

    Pretty much no chance that this would NOT happen.

    • An amazing ignoring of FACTS to allow fracking near the WIPP facility: It is a fact that fracking causes small earthquakes. A very possible reason why the underground salt sky fell on the casks.
      Corporations in the US since Ray-gun, on to W., continuing with Obama, have been dangerously allowed to get away with every possible dangerous practice that the FDA does not enforce. At this point in time fracking probably is not even regulated.

  • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle

    I laughed. What else can we do? Everyone in here knew it was inevitable, and it will get far, far, worse.

  • bf9 bf9

    "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
    -Albert Einstein

    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      @bf9; Einstein's contribution to the Atomic Age makes him THE prime example of his "theory of human stupidity" and if he thought he was the exception to his finding he should've shredded or burned or even sabotaged his work when he made his "great discovery" instead of handing it over to the assholes who were sure to use it and DID the minute they had the 2nd & 3rd working prototypes in their cold,greazy hands! Nothing "good" came from his or his haughty fellow "geniuses" work unless those congratulating & revering his deeds are fans of death,destruction & domination of the captive populations of the world through the most extreme level of force available! His sarcastic wit & comments indicates what he thought of the potential victims or innocent life in general leaves me with nothing but contempt for him & his kind and they doomed us all along with all of the life forms & land & seas for eternity! We'd have been better off had he,his bug-eyed buddy Oppenheimer,Fermi & the likes were never born & "maybe" we might've had a chance to prevent what their legacy left behind that's accelerated our descent over the ledge & into the bottomless pit that must surely be Hell or at least "Hell on Earth" for those of us who sense what the "OG",old skool 1st generation nuke-pukes brilliant work will have done when the Fat Lady has sung… 🙁 …

  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    This situation just gets better and better…

    Just leave it to mankind to take a beautiful location and totally 'Frack' it up.

    So if they decide to access those 'reserves' there's a chance that they'll be contaminated by radioactive waste ??

    If that's the case then, soon it may not be just fumes that come out of your cars exhaust, or your homes heating system.

    • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle

      The area is surrounded by wells, both gas and oil. With slant drilling accessing WIPP oil would not be a problem (unless it is shallow). Don't buy WIPP brand HD-30 at Walmart.

  • James Tekton James Tekton

    Ya know, the real pathetic and sickening to death realization is, we all pay to be protected in heavy taxing. Everything has the new soterobama commiecare tax attached to it. Everything you can buy has many other high costs and taxes attached to it. All this supposedly to build armies and to buy the very best of what ever is needed to protect the American People.

    So why is there no protection from this hell on earth release of God knows whatever, and how much radioactive contamination all over the southeast? Why do we pay enormous amounts of taxes on everything to the UN/IMF, and still do not get protected from the lies, obfuscations and prognostications of baboonery's finest blabbermouths? Why aren't the American People protected from the evil in govt that is busier trying to start wars of mass distraction, rather than taking care of it's own people and protecting them at home?

    One only needs look in the mirror for the answers to these questions. Any nation that keeps electing these criminals in different colored suits, and drinks up the different shades of kill-aid horsewash, deserves the govt they get. A warmongering bunch of babylonians that do not care about anything but profits, or anyone else. It is all about the god-money, who cares about you.

    • James Tekton James Tekton


      The ignorance of paying for this kind of organization that professes at hiding the truth and cover-ups, the EPA, is just disgusting.

      This is the latest downwinder BS EPA report from Austin, TX:

      Time of day CPM
      2014-03-05 22:37:09 0
      2014-03-05 23:37:20 0
      2014-03-06 00:37:32 0
      2014-03-06 01:37:44 0
      2014-03-06 02:37:56 0
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      2014-03-06 05:38:32 0
      2014-03-06 06:38:44 0
      2014-03-06 07:38:56 0
      2014-03-06 08:39:08 0
      2014-03-06 09:39:20 0
      2014-03-06 10:39:32 0
      2014-03-06 11:39:45 0
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      2014-03-06 13:40:09 0
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      2014-03-06 18:41:10 0
      2014-03-06 19:41:23 0
      2014-03-06 20:41:34 0
      2014-03-06 21:16:55 0 CPM

      Zero CPM!!


      COVER UP!!!!!!!

      And how many billions of dollars does the EPA and DOE WASTE doing this?

      How many homeless hungry in America could they feed and house by not spending the monies on these useless idiots, and lie spewing propagandists?

      These people down in Carlsbad should almost be up in arms DEMANDING real simple answers like, what was released? How much and what are the counts per minute (CPM) of radiation of any sorts released? How long has it been going on unseen? And how much longer is it going to go on, UNSEEN?

      Rage at the machine!

      (rant off)



      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        James, just pay your very heavy voluntary taxation on time or they will take all you own…simply abolish or ban the whole 70,000 page mess, we now call the IRS.! Labor was never suppose to be taxed, only corporations, and they stopped paying any taxes a very, very long time ago. 🙁

        Entire world is now upside down! 🙁

        • And don't you dare move your money to another country, because only corporations can do that legally.

          Everyone else gets arrested for trying to do that.

        • James Tekton James Tekton

          Yes, Obe1.

          When they turned the human being into a corporation and replaced the law of the land with the bass-ackwards law of the sea where no man has authority, that was when the pony fell off the cliff and man got stuck being the slave-donkey pulling babylon's cart of evil lies and slimebag insanity for all eternity to come.

          Ignorance…ah such a slave master…and bliss to many.


        • Hot and Bothered Hot and Bothered

          "I’ll believe that corporations are people when Texas executes one."
          -Robert Reich

          I've always loved this quote 😉

      • jec jec

        JT, See this data from NETC, dont depend on EPA updates of their charts. As a member,you have lots of options on NETC. The following are NETC displaying RADNET data. Now there is a lot of radiation flowing over..but some of this information may show the plume. On Austin TX, look at is there..

        These are all gamma from RADNET(EPA Data)..and not alpha. AM241 release could account for some increase in levels. However, the actual tests/filters on the ground are the real telling key. I would not use this for panic..but I would keep an eye on radiation levels..and stay out of rain if the Jet Stream or winds are stong and radiation levels are up.

        • jec jec

          I put in dates to show date/time, some events and Counts per minute(CPM). NOT to setup for saying WHO caused the spikes in radation. Again..this is for experts to analyize, not for a viewer..

        • James Tekton James Tekton

          Thank you thank you Jec.

          Now THAT!…makes perfect sense.

          Even for us dummies!

          We all KNOW 0-20 CPM is a normal background.

          And yes, there seems to be a upward trend shown in this graph, but as you remember, the records from the past have shown outrageously high readings, and might have been caused by any number of reasons. There are a couple of reactors west of them in Arizona, right? And most crimes happen in the night, right?

          When the old EPA graphs were working, we saw many days like these and far worse. They seemed to come and go with what was thought then to be waves of radiation from fukushima.

          If it becomes obvious that this WIPP Event is being covered up, it might also lend some thinking processes towards this sites leakages having some influence on those high numbers in Texas, BEFORE fukushima.

          For a time, and it may be so still, there was a way we figured out to go back and get those far past graph records from the EPA. They were graphs somewhat like these above. They showed very outrageously high CPM readings down there in Texas just east of Carlsbad, NM. The good news is, there are many records here on Ene that show this. The bad news is, how long is what ever is going on at WIPP going to be dragged out until it is forgotten? Or worse, what's next?

          Just one special question: does dick cheney's Halliburton do anything near this WIPP site…in the night?



    • scottyji scottyji

      >Ya know, the real pathetic and sickening to death realization is, we all pay to be protected in heavy taxing.

      The EPA – indeed our entire government – does not exist to protect us. It exists to perpetuate itself and the protect the business interests of corporations.


      • scottyji scottyji

        to protect the business interests of corporations.

        • GQR2

          That's true Scottyji. when they speak of amerikan interests that is all they are talking about,the welfare of the corporations that are our gov. In today's budget hearing Jack Lew basically said,if one had the ears to hear it, within the first half,that the gov.the good old usa is owned outright by the IMF. It was all dressed up in bureau speak. we are a fascist country now its pretty plain to see. The old rules don't apply,the old illusions have worn thin. The future has been hijacked and burnt at the alters of evil evil people who drink oil and eat money.

        • James Tekton James Tekton

          Totally agreed, Scotti.

          So then, besides the obvious, what is the mission statement of the EPA?

          Our Mission

          The mission of EPA is to protect human health and the environment.

          EPA's purpose is to ensure that:

          All Americans are protected from significant risks to human health and the environment where they live, learn and work;

          National efforts to reduce environmental risk are based on the best available scientific information;

          Federal laws protecting human health and the environment are enforced fairly and effectively;

          Environmental protection is an integral consideration in U.S. policies concerning natural resources, human health, economic growth, energy, transportation, agriculture, industry, and international trade, and these factors are similarly considered in establishing environmental policy;

          All parts of society — communities, individuals, businesses, and state, local and tribal governments — have access to accurate information sufficient to effectively participate in managing human health and environmental risks;

          Environmental protection contributes to making our communities and ecosystems diverse, sustainable and economically productive; and

          The United States plays a leadership role in working with other nations to protect the global environment.

          So, there ya go. The facts.

          Who wants to continue to pay for protection that is not being delivered?


    • name999 name999

      james,must (and I mean must) say…putting it on soterobama is where you lose me in your equation…you really think the problem with taxes is soterobama? The rest of your writing is spot on but some of that stuff is way off.
      Respectfully, but much more to consider…

      • tbg

        Very true, what does soterobama even mean? I think that's the stupidest of the many dumb nicknames for obama. Im guessing a hillbilly version of obama and sotomayor but I fail to see the significance other than its easy to say with a mouth full of chew. I would think most people would want a more liberal supreme court, since good old boy conservatives are always going to be in support of nuclear. Is it because they're both minorities, so they have to be teaming up to conquer the world? Obama 3-way calls Sonia Sotomayor, Oprah and Jay Z to discuss their dark plan for world domination every night?

        It just seems pretty ridiculous, personally meh I dont care about obama one way or the other, he sure doesnt give a shit about me, in reality pubs and dems are just both sides of a corrupt coin, to make people feel like they have a choice in this money scam that is america. And while i like to think im not prejudiced, i cant seem to but help but think less of people who constantly spout off the republirights talking points and pet names for obama. Just like in person, I roll my eyes and think, oh that's too bad, they seemed alright.

        Anyone who didn't think a law professor (with a lawyer wife no less) wasnt gonna be a more dangerous president (to us the people) than that radiation test baboon Bush, an absolute dunce, didn't really think about it. But to go on and on, obamathis and obamathat, a black muslim communist, obama phones, good god, the faux news foolishness.

        • James Tekton James Tekton

          "in reality pubs and dems are just both sides of a corrupt coin,"

          Exactly, T.

          Reckon you do not remember that one of the many names for obama is barry soetoro. The word play is a combination of obama and soetero, and is not exclusive to any particular group or category of judged peoples that usse this word.

          Pretty easy really, he is an illegal alien and usurper deluxe that was never vetted properly to even be the head puppet.

          What anyone calls him is a personal choice, and one should not be attacked or insinuations made as to one's personal environmental settings, or living conditions. It is about the people who value money over human life, against life and those who value it. Pretty simple really. Which do you choose?


      • James Tekton James Tekton

        Name, the reference to the taxation of the new commiecare has nothing to do with a personal attack on the head puppet, other than it has it's name on it. Of course soterobama is just a puppet and the commiecare tax is a huge insurance(cia) fraud. Just part and partial of the rest of the country killing economic plans.

        But seriously, who really likes a IMF/UN globalist bankster puppet that is better at lying, than telling the truth. Wouldn't be so bad if he was even a good puppet that ever did one good thing for America and her people. Tyring to think of anything taxes the ol noodle way too much.

        Meanwhile, lets take a look back in history to learn more about the beginnings of all this puppetry and pantry:


    • Sol Man

      That's it, James, wars for distraction for what they have done to all of the peoples' lives. It is far beyond disgusting!
      Ah! To live and to have our lives end up being hooked up to all manner of tubes and devices to allay our nasty nuclear deaths!

      This has become the epitome of a life lived to the best of our ability!

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Subsidence concerns..yeaahh..

    Collapse of cavern under N.M. city feared
    Nov 20 2009

    "The bright yellow signs on U.S. 285 are the first indication that things aren’t right in Carlsbad.

    “U.S. 285 south subject to sinkhole 1,000 feet ahead,” motorists are warned.

    But there is little other evidence that in southeastern New Mexico’s oil country, a giant cavern sits beneath the earth, ready to swallow part of the highway and possibly a church, several businesses and a trailer park.

    The cavern was formed over three decades as oil field service companies pumped fresh water into a salt layer more than 400 feet below the surface and extracted several million barrels of brine to help with drilling. State regulators flagged it as a potential danger after concluding that it was similar to two wells northwest of Carlsbad that collapsed without warning last year."

    An underground nuclear explosion in the area…well ..that's going to help things…(SARC)

    • jec jec

      GREAT find, Heart! Sinkholes.."State regulators flagged it(saltdome cavern formed by brine mining) as a potential danger after concluding that it was similar to two wells northwest of Carlsbad that collapsed without warning last year."

      –Well gee durn it, flog me with a yah think it might be similar to WIPP? Grandad, lets get us some popcorn and watch the show…OH..Hey! we may be able to get us some glowing pickle juice! Hurry, saddle up the mule..

  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    Fracking is another evil that threatens water supplies. It is such a crazy idea in the first place. So crazy that people go along with it. One good thing about high unemployment, that is, good for the oligarchs, is as in Third World countries people will accept terrible situations in order to keep living.
    To be taking anything out of the ground so close to this nightmare storage facility was a mistake.
    Time to evacuate Carlsbad.

    • James Tekton James Tekton

      "Fracking is another evil that threatens water supplies."

      They just yesterday put a drilling rig up on the hill above our land on the river. Our water was fracked once before, and is only years later slightly recovering.

      It is also radioactive like the propane is after it burns in the furnace. Take you counter and measure the air coming from your natural gas, or propane heater sometime.

      Yeah…hows it make you feel to know you are being irradiated as you sleep all nice and toasty at night? What are you breathing in?


  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "The nuclear-waste repository is hemmed in by underground pressurized reservoirs of brine that, sometime in the future, could flood the repository, pushing contaminants to the surface to harm future generations. In 1981, crew members drilling a test well at a site known as WIPP 12, about a mile north of the center of the repository, narrowly escaped serious injuries when they punctured a reservoir and the pressurized brine blew out their rig. The incident, which was not widely publicized, illustrates a major weakness in the repository's location. If knowledge of WIPP's existence should fade — a certainty, given the shortness of human memory and given the repository's design life of more than 240,000 years — future generations drilling the area for oil or gas or for other uses could penetrate the pressurized brine reservoir beneath the repository"

    Wasting Away
    Aug 30 1992

    • jec jec

      Now just why was it "not widely publicized??" (saying this with a heck of a lot of sarcasm!)

    • GQR2

      a design life of more than 240,000 years. That would be laughable if it wasn't so criminal and absurd on the face of it. No wonder they think they can get away with murder…(slow cancers)..inability of the public to monitor releases for themselves,the cloak of darkness,disregard of reguulations. the WIPP operators, promoters act like they can get away with murder because so far they have.

    • Then there is also the one underneath it, 200 feet down..

      Just don't wear any climbing spikes on yur shoos down in the tunnels.

  • The People never wanted WIPP in the first place

  • jec jec

    In 1981,DOE knew there was PRESSURIZED Brine in the saltdome which is used by WIPP for storage. Comments were in many documents, but 80% of the area of WIPP is underlaid with brine caverns..pressured ones?!! THAT is new. 1981 is the date the government 'tested' the brine by drilling into it. Guess the 'scientific' executive directive about it being okay..may not be correct. Big big Whoops, if so.

    Boy does this sound like the drilling into the Bayou Corne Saltdome or Lake Peigneur(5 minutes of saltdome collapse and whirlpool):

  • Ontological Ontological

    Saw it coming. I warned of this from he start! Damn this shit is getting absolutely intolerable. When does the pre planned Hanford dam break Unka Sam?

    Lets laps the laws, and lame them baby brains. so we can spread this shit to the wind and rains. Then you can come pay us MORE for us to end your pains.

    WIPP = Wind Injected Plutonium Puffer. These are weapons folks. This is what we get for having laws blocking environmental destruction for 3 decades. The bastards dumped it all, and made these waste weapons of mass destruction EVERYWHERE on OUR tax money.

    • jec jec

      I wondered why they were talking about PUFF all the time. WIPP = Wind Injected Plutonium Puffer

      Wasn't Puff a 'magic dragon'..symbolic of smoking dope???

    • name999 name999

      ontological, heard on NPR today that Hanford will be in the business of making new technology nuclear energy in the future. Next mission. Probably going strong by the 2020 Olympics in Tokyo.

  • Nigwil

    Luvley! The with just a little bit of brine and a little bit of time the entire WIPP site turns into a giant plutonium emitting sink hole. Thank goodness they have it all under control!

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Absolutely Correct! 🙁

    "The bastards dumped it all, and made these waste weapons of mass destruction EVERYWHERE on OUR tax money."

  • tbg

    Ive always thought fracking was a very likely explanation but it could also be a roof collapse or barrels exploding from heat and/or pressure. Or maybe most likely all three.

    Here's a map of fracking around the WIPP, the greenspot is my WIPP eyeball but i dont think its exactly correct.

    Then here's the frack well map for the state of NM.

    Whoops. No worries people of NM, they wouldn't lie to you. Plutonium will only kill you if you know about it. Other wise you'll just die of lung cancer.

    • davidh7426 davidh7426

      100+ earthquake generators surrounding a *fragile* Nuclear suppository…

      What could possibly go wrong ?? Let hope we never find out.

      • Sol Man

        Learned men and women with their failed technologies is not what we have here.

        We have conflicted people who would not admit the truth while they cashed their checks.

        The most important thing in the universe is the blood-money, right?

        • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

          What we have is Capitalism at its unregulated, strip-the-Commons best. Corporations are people, too, and they are fighting for their very survival, man!

  • rogerthat

    If this was a movie script, it would get canned as too far-fetched. A large salt deposit on top of a high-pressure lake, oil and gas deposits, fracking on all sides and presumably even below WIPP itself. One hundred wells. Wow, lets put all the high-level nuclear waste we can find in there. We'll call it low-level waste while we truck it in as fast as we can from all the overflowing pox-ridden former nuclear weapons sites across the country. We'll have to find some remote location to shoot this blockbuster, because the real thing is too bloody radioactive. Pity. And about those experts who said storing nuclear waste down there was a bad, bad idea, can we use them for pre-release publicity, get the box office numbers up?

  • No Immediate Danger No Immediate Danger

    For those who would like to bring the responsible parties to justice, good luck with that. Nobody is responsible.

    Like Jacques Ellul says,

    "In a society such as ours, it is almost impossible for a person to be responsible. A simple example: a dam has been built somewhere, and it bursts. Who is responsible for that? Geologists worked out. They examined the terrain. Engineers drew up the construction plans. Workmen constructed it. And the politicians decided that the dam had to be in that spot. Who is responsible? No one. There is never anyone responsible. Anywhere. In the whole of our technological society the work is so fragmented and broken up into small pieces that no one is responsible. But no one is free either. Everyone has his own, specific task. And that's all he has to do."

    Good luck, everyone.

  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    They have sinkholes in Carlsbad same as the salt dome sinkholes in Bayou Corne, Louisianna. I have been saying for years that there is nuke waste in some of those Bayou Corne Caverns. The Gov has been big promoters of nuke waste in salt cavities for a long time. There is NO SAFE ANSWER FOR NUCLEAR WASTE!!!!! UNWANTD BURDONS ON THE FUTURE GENERATIONS!! IF ANY……………..

    • jec jec

      THERE is nuclear waste dumped down into the saltdome..they call it NORM..but no inventory. There is lots of stuff dumped from Hurricane Karina. And then everyone was surprised when it 'burbed' due to poor digestion.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Uranium Womyn 238


    • GQR2

      That was hardcore Heart !

    • name999 name999

      rose, wow, you have your eyes on cutting edge stuff, thanks so much for sharing it here. That was hallucinogenic, powerful imagery.

    • Jebus Jebus

      You are the heart of our soul, Heart.

      If our eyes could see what we have done.

      This is what we would see.

      If our ears could hear Mother Nature.

      This is what she would say.

      If only mankind could see and hear…

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Thank you so for the kind words..Jebus.

        "If only mankind could see and hear…"

        So much said .. in so few words.

  • jec jec

    Has anyone started testing the Rustler(Rustler, the Culebra dolomite) for radiation contamination. Since WIPP is below groundwater its a likely problem. Read this wonderful document posted by a genius ENENEWS blogger(cant find the post or would give credit where its due):

    Scary read. Especially since there was CESIUM-137 in some of the tested filter results. Cesium can spread..

    • name999 name999

      jec, gqr2, ..

      the theory of "creep closure"
      behind dumping
      plutonium in salt mines
      collapse of major roof slabs
      they tell us
      no hazard

  • GQR2

    Better this is here vs. longer thread
    Huge batch of WIPP legislative mins.reports to the state from various agencies. Don't miss the 7th one down. apologizes could not get the pdfs into seperate links. There is a lot here.

  • GQR2

    Is the Carlsbad Townhall meeting being streamed tonight does anyone know?

  • SadieDog

    Yes , one tonite at 5:30 and one tomorrow, will post details…

    • SadieDog

      The DOE will host a town hall meeting at 5:30 p.m. Thursday, March 6, at the Walter Gerrells Performing Arts Center. Community members and interested stakeholders are invited. Media is also welcome, but questions will not be taken from reporters until a news conference call is held that same evening at 7:30 p.m.

      Rep. Pearce will hold a town hall meeting Friday afternoon, March 7, in Carlsbad to listen to concerns local residents have regarding WIPP. According to a press release, federal, state and local officials have been invited to help answer questions. It will be held at the Leo Sweet Center at 4 p.m.

      The U.S. Nuclear Waste Technical Review Board will hold a public meeting at the Marriott Hotel in Albuquerque  on March 19 to discuss research and development on using salt to dispose of high-level radioactive waste and spent nuclear fuel.

    • SadieDog

      Media advisory, WIPP public town hall meeting and news conference call to follow –

      • GQR2

        Ha! No immediate danger it,s a propaganda piece from the cia washington post sure several dozen is not a lot in a huge auditorium on a spur of the moment Thursday night. But put them in a City hall or not the local gladiator pit and it would be a decent turn out. The report is from the AP filed an hour after the meeting started. And the headline reads "Few Attend". those to words are meant to demoralize right off the bat. Nobody is taking their eyes off of this. They wish people would..its not going away.

        • No Immediate Danger No Immediate Danger

          Excellent points, GQR2, and I agree. But I'm still feeling more demoralized than ever.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          "But put them in a City hall or not the local gladiator pit and it would be a decent turn out."

          Gladiator Pits! Love it! 🙂

          • GQR2

            Thx obe 🙂
            Clearly the clapping people need background checks,head checks,and maybe even got a check !

          • combomelt combomelt

            Radiator Pits: suspend them by tepcocranes above R3, give them cobalt60 swords and start them swinging….
            Cirque de Fukushima

    • No Immediate Danger No Immediate Danger

      "Some of the uncertainty was quelled late Wednesday when officials announced that the level of radioactive particles being captured by monitoring stations in the Carlsbad area had decreased significantly and were close to normal."

      "Carlsbad Mayor Dale Janway told the town meeting audience that the systems at Waste Isolation Pilot Plant worked, with filters capturing most of the radiation that escaped from the underground mine."

      Jose Franco, manager of the Department of Energy’s Carlsbad Field Office, told the community in a letter. “We have not faced this kind of challenge in our 15-year history of waste operations, but I have the utmost confidence in the recovery team.”

      Go recovery team! The whole world is depending on you! What a freaking joke.

      • name999 name999

        no immediate danger, that is in part because they destroyed their methods of detection when Fukusahima happened. Now they just don't know about it.
        Same as Charlottsville West VA and water. That is chemical valley, and folks want the paycheck.

  • GQR2

    TY SadieDog-san 🙂 !

    • SadieDog

      Klaus drew a round of applause from the crowd when he said there's no question the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant will continue, at some point, with its mission to help the nation clean up waste from decades of nuclear defense projects.

      Department of Energy officials said work is ongoing to get air-monitoring equipment into the mine that will pave the way for specially trained crews to enter. They plan to make their way to two storage areas known as Panel 6 and Panel 7 to determine what might have happened.

      • No Immediate Danger No Immediate Danger

        A round of applause for reassurances that WIPP will continue taking on nuclear waste. That makes sense — those few people in the audience were probably employees (DOE).

      • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

        " work is ongoing to get air-monitoring equipment into the mine"

        Too bad nobody has invented portable monitoring stations, like the EPA purportedly has for just this sort of situation…

    • name999 name999

      sadiedog, and it says a lot that people are afraid to show up.

  • ftlt

    HAHAHAHAHA… The greedy fools

  • GQR2

    we are so dead.

    • name999 name999

      we are always dead, but some tell the truth and others don't know how or feel they can't.
      When we speak the truth, we speak for all, even those who destroy this beautiful earth.

      The only consolation I have.

      • GQR2

        well 9-O i can only speak for myself but i appreciate the sentiment,its extremely important to document and witness this slow motion Nuclear ELE or not so slow as the case is turning out to be. Nuclear is forever,the solace i find is just the satisfaction of understanding what is going down on this planet. Its not a pretty picture. And then there are the islands of human heart and mind albeit on the ether it is very comforting.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Officials react to budget proposal that would freeze MOX
    March 6 2014

    "News that the MOX facility at the Savannah River Site could go into a “cold stand-by” has given MOX naysayers reasons to rejoice and has left MOX advocates with a sour taste in their mouths.
    President Barack Obama's fiscal year 2015 budget proposal would essentially freeze funding for the MOX project so National Nuclear Security Administration – or NNSA – officials can explore less costly options to dispose of 34 metric tons of weapons-grade plutonium."
    "During a speech at the Aiken Republican Club meeting on Wednesday, Gov. Nikki Haley said DOE Secretary Ernest Moniz told her that MOX was too expensive for them to continue to pay for it."

    Lindsey a lot closer to holding his (nuclear) bag.
    Sorry .folks in South Carolina.

    • No Immediate Danger No Immediate Danger

      "…officials can explore less costly options to dispose of 34 metric tons of weapons-grade plutonium."

      If their solution for depleted uranium is any indication (bullets), they'll end up somehow delivering it to Russia with love.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The title of this story.

    "Subsidence concerns at WIPP nuclear dump — Over 100 operating oil and gas wells within mile of site, a ‘very active’ area — Reserves ‘directly underneath’ buried waste — Fracking to take place nearby?"

    This is the current state..yet they bother to worry about marking this area against intrusion ..100,00 years from now.
    A little 'disconnect' here?

    I believe ..this has been posted before.
    Look at the drawings..
    A field of upward spikes?

    Excerpts from
    Expert Judgement on Markers to Deter Inadvertent Human Intrusion into the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant
    (Sandia National Laboratories report SAND92-1382 / UC-721, p. F-49)

    • "This panel member therefore recommends that the markers and the structures associated with them be conceived along truly gargantuan lines. To put their size into perspective, a simple berm, say 35-m wide and 15-m high, surrounding the proposed land-withdrawal boundary, would involve excavation, transport, and placement of around 12 million cubic meters of earth. What is proposed, of course, is on a much greater scale than that. By contrast, in the construction of the Panama Canal, 72.6 million cubic meters were excavated, and the Great Pyramid occupies 2.4 million cubic meters. In short, to ensure the probability of success, the WIPP marker undertaking will have to be one of the greatest public works ventures in history."

      • Any bets that this will never happen?

        Concrete plaque that will last maybe 100 years if they are lucky, call it good and run away with the money to Tahiti.

    • GQR2

      Maybe its me…or no maybe about it – but that paper was nuts. All that for a sign that says don't dig here until after 12,000 A.D. ! Is that what that paper really was i need a reality check. The deeper meanings of WIPP?…hmmmm

  • Radioactive Plutonium Plume Coming Out of New Mexico's WIPP – Geological Nuclear Radioactive Waste Isolation Pilot Plant; via @AGreenRoad

  • cooterboy

    My understanding is that the workers at the salt mine are Union members. I was in the Carpenters Union for 25 years and we are a tight brotherhood. Politics is a way of survival.

    With time off these men were called to the local union hall and had a meeting. While the union leadership would not tell you what to do, they would most likely tell you what would happen if you did.

    If you were to take these men and talk with them, one on one, they would probably tell you they are scared. Scared of loosing their job, scared of loosing their life.

    More than likely the politicians spoke with the union president in a persuading manner and that persuasion was passed on to it's members.


  • Igmz Igmz

    Wow. The shits getting deep here in NM. Can't decide what to worry about more, drought and wildfires or this nuc nightmare. Thanks you all for the thoughts and prayers my, our, home, here and at large…

  • Igmz Igmz

    Had to go back to the ram..feeling like I might need to start doing some serious head bashing soon. Need a thick skull and big ass horns for that. My pops takes crazy good wildlife pics. Something to treasure.

  • Igmz Igmz

    Hmm avatar won't update. O well.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Add mercury..

    Dept. of Energy considers WIPP, Eddy County for mercury storage

    How long before it leaks? Y-12.

    $120 million water plant to capture Y-12 mercury
    May 4 2012

    WIPP = death pit.

  • Sol Man

    Permissions to frack in the area of a nuclear waste depository or under aquifers is all of the proof that we need of the dangers of doing prescription drugs (with much hooch!) while being in any kind of position of power/responsibility!

    Then what can they put down there in all of those holes? How about all of the offices for the guys in D.C, or the Olympics!

    We have fallen long far down for many years!

  • Nick

    I love it. I get to complain about Fracking and Nuclear Wastes in the same sentence, as both technologies are fraught with uncertainties and human hubris.

    If WIPP has been anthropomorphically compromised, by a slew of brine injections and extractions, which is how fracking is done…sort of like lather, rinse, repeat. Stuff goes in, gas comes out.

    What could possibly go wrong, did.


  • melting mermaid melting mermaid

    Dear dear enenewsers, administration and lurky mc lurksalots like me. I don't think you all could fathom how much you all mean to me. I'm not a scientist. It's hard for me to comment here, but I am with you every day. Yall are like my AA.. Apocalypse Anonymous. I have small children. Cognitive dissonance is a way of life for me. What can a poor mother like me do in the face of such deeply entrenched madness? I don't believe in rioting or revenge. Global hospice? Grief counselling? We should reverse Price Anderson. Socialize the profits and privitize the pain. We could seize all that off shore tax haven money and give it to ease the sufferring of the billions that will be affected by this. Or do what I do and cling desperately to your immortal soul. It's such a damn shame. I just pray we find a way to turn it into something good or noble. Like in the beginning of the Silmirillion. I'm sorry to ramble on. Peace and love my homies

  • rockyourworld

    either they're fracking with nuke waste or dumping the nuke waste in dry wells under the guise of dumping frack waste in dry wells, or both!

  • rockyourworld

    several frackers in Pa state suffered work related head injuries on the job, or did they see something they shouldnt have? frack sites are top secret, with armed guards at the gate, something stinks