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you now have several websites dedicated especially to your plight! my favorite?
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/nnn.html
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Congrats to the winning Japanese women’s team – Japan needed that!
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LQQK at these face’s of exuberance of excitement of the realized win !
http://l1.yimg.com/a/i/ww/news/2011/07/17/sawa-today.jpg
Well done young ones, Applause !
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the one in the white teeshirt didnt look to overjoyed?
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For…?
Nukin’ the World
Killin’ your Children
Contaminating the Pacific Ocean
Contaminating the Air We Breathe
Changing our DNA
Causing the beginning of the end of Nuclear Power on this Planet
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Apologies, Posted before link was up…
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still a good point though!
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maybe this is the new discussion thread in disguise. it is July 17th, right?
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I noted the webmaster in the “Tip Submissions (You remain anonymous):” box about the new thread being over due yesterday !!!
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its quite a good thread though!
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ya…i tipped, too. maybe they are just waiting for re-start on Monday. would be a shame to see ene go the way of fosl http://floridaoilspilllaw.com
fears aside, a most incredible GoM archive there
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FOSL, ain’t that some-thin, tis’ tis’ !
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this is one of those psy ops things right??
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Womens world cup champs…Just beat America…congrats! At least some good news for them..ey
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This is joke, isn’t it?
Thanks for saving me and all those I love from dying of old age and natural causes?
For killing off the algae and the bees and the birds and the salmon and the mammals?
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ah i now how to play this game…
well done japan for hosting chris busby and his campaign to collect evidence against the international nuclear industry and associated minions!
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well done japan for highliting and reminding us of the nuclear contamination around us and its inherent dangers!!
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well done japan for giving us a good muse concert to look forward too!
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Saw the match and the Japanese ladies played with heart and beat the favored American squad. They could teach Tepco a thing or two about mental acuity and determination. Congratulations for an honorable victory!
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Thats it. Kick soccer balls filled with nitrogen into the reactors. I knew sports would be the answer.
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well done japan for helping to promote enenews(begining to struggle here)
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ahh football?!!sorry :-}
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For keeping your chin up and promoting healthy sports, while your people suffer from the WORST NUCLEAR DISASTER IN HISTORY…
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Oh, Yeah !! Congrats !! I actually watched the game , and was thinking Nuclear .. OOPS !!
I think at least all of the American ladies on the team should have shaken hands with the Japanese team,Congradualating them instead of just one of them… this is poor sportsmanship on the part of the U.S.
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Maybe it was a statement…Congrats, you won but…
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That’s messed up Cindy. Soccer is MY NEW SPORT! I love it! Go Seattle SOUNDERS!!
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I just started playing soccer …
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When something this bad drags on this long, people need a bit of humour amongst the grim reality. But now, back to the grim reality!
Christopher Busby has given a lecture in Japan outlining some of what Japan can expect to see in health effects, and also giving what he believes is a plan for the Japanese to follow in dealing with the disaster. He also notes that any scientist who proposes a study of the health effects of radiation is likely to lose all grants, his lab, his job, and his reputation. That is exactly what has happened to one of his colleagues, and himself. People are devoted full time to writing lies about him on the internet, his wikipedia page, etc.
He recommends the Japanese do the following ->
Privately set up a fund to pay for health monitoring and research, gathering and studying stats on health. They must do it privately because the government will not do it.
- Results of that health monitoring research fund can be used to sue those responsible for the disaster – not the Jap govt, but rather the international Nuke Industry he said.
- Recommends that the government does a survey of radiation levels and evacuates areas over a certain level – can be done easily from helicopters.
- Recommends food monitoring, and importing clean food if none is available locally.
- Says that many scientists involved in Nuke industry are well paid propagandists spreading convincing lies with impressive credentials. He says those who told the Japanese it was a minor thing and not to worry, when they knew it was very serious should be prosecuted, and jailed for the needless deaths they have caused.
In my view that last point is critical if the Nuke industry is to be brought under control. Given its links with the global warming scam, that might clean up two frauds with one stone!
The different parts of the lecture are here…
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16057578
I found this through ex-skf as the lecture was being beamed live. Ex-skf is a superb blog on fukushima…
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/07/christopher-busbys-talk-in-japan-july.html#comments
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Oh, and with regard to health effects…
200,000 cancer deaths within 200km radius of Fukushima over the next 10 years.
That only looks at cancer deaths though, he said Chernobyl and survivors of nuke test programs that he monitored, show that other radiation induced health effects mean people “die of competing causes”, dying too young to get cancer. Heart disease for example is a common cause of death for those exposed to radiation.
Basically it will lower the average age of death by 10 years or more.
That’s pretty grim. So really, looking at cancer is just a diversion. What should be looked at is life expectancy. Busby himself said all that is pretty grim, but he offered a good plan as to how to make the best of it, and how to bring those to justice who did this to the Japanese people. Including sorting out the scientists/propagandists who lied to cover this up, thus causing many more deaths as people stayed, who should have left.
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Falloutman. That’s a EXCELLENT summary by you Above and Below. Thank you for YOUR report on Busby Video. It’s exactly what I got from it too. You did a great job reporting it.
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my reading on the deaths were that 200,000 figure included death by other causes (listed on my other post)…i may have got it wrong will have to check tommorrow!
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You are likely to be right Arclight, that was one point I was not sure about. I appreciate the correction of anything that’s not right. Its vital to present the facts without error when making a strong case.
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Thanks Falloutman, I didn’t have time to watch the video so nice work and much appreciated. Bravo Busby also.
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I wanted to say I really appreciated this report, and I hope something effective can be done about the terrible injustice that has happened with Fukushima and Japan’s citizens…which is why I am glad they can rejoice a bit with their victory.
It’s usually not the average citizen of a country that is involved in corupt behavior, it’s the governments, the rich, and those who have power. I don’t blame the Japanese, or the Jews for that matter. Who chooses the country they are born into, the color of their skin,their family or circumstances? A lot of people are just doing the best they can in the circumstances they have been given.
And not to start an argument, but I have to dispute the thing you said about global warming fraud…it is not global warming anyway, it is climate change, and the drastic weather seen in the U.S. these last few seasons (such as record droughts, flooding, wildfires and storms, the reason for our own nuclear power plants being in jeopardy)makes it indisputable. Not to mention the obvious melting of the arctic sea ice…
What may be disputable is the cause of the climate change, but in a way it hardly matters. what matters is the effect it is having on people, and that is going to be the same no matter what the cause.
And I can’t see much wrong with making an effort to reduce co2 emissions, as they can’t be healthy for the environment, anyway. Reducing oil dependency is never a bad idea as we approach peak oil, and conservation and reducing waste isn’t, either. I honestly can’t see why anyone would fight theses efforts.
The one thing I can agree on is that nuclear is not the answer, as it proves to be more harmful than the initial problems. But I see a huge need for making a lot of progress with claenrer energy sources such as solar, wind and hydropower…
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God, a lot of typos…oh well…
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No spell police here !
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Just wanted to add that Risabee’s response was right on…we have to be for people, regardless of what nation they come from, like them or not. and there are some I really don’t like as a whole, but I am not going to blame the individuals…
Also don’t want to minimize the impact of the report on Busby. When I have more time I am going to read the whole thing, and participate if I can…glad someone is talking about a way to take action!
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Oh, and he also looked at what was being picked up in car air filters. The air in Tokyo is highly contaminated. Very serious. It is not safe to change an air filter on a used Japanese vehicle without a body suit and gas mask. Christopher busby has published all that info publicly.
He said it is very difficult to get any research on health effects of radiation published in peer reviewed science journals. They just will not print it.
Here in NZ our govt has just run a geiger counter over used cars coming in from Japan and told people “nothing to see here, move on”. Busby pointed out that the grains of uranium and plutonium present in the air filters in such cars will cannot be detected by a geiger counter. Our government here knows that, so they are quite happy to run a geiger counter over the cars knowing they will find nothing.
Sadly, mechanics changing those filters will have a shorter life.
This problem is a global one now. With western nations covering up the problem and importing Japanese food and tea, and Used Japanese vehicles. So many needless deaths to protect the image of the industry that gave us the global warming lie to promote itself.
I really hope people can be woken up, so that they will reject nuclear power forever.
I really hope that the scientists who lied about the seriousness of this disaster are brought to justice for causing the death of so many.
It is good that Japan has the death penalty, they need to make use of it very vigorously to stop this from happening again.
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@Fall out man..great summary, noticed that other report posted didnt mention he said it was the main thing to set up a 5000 volunteer test group and a request for funding! thought it appropriate to highlight it especially if its going to be censored?! brilliant summary
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Ironic amusement while noting “related post”:
“US …. team in Japan preparing for possibility of “large-scale radiation leak … ”
Sigh. Well, glad the young ladies showed spirit. Some cheering up wa surely in order. Payback for GE, perhaps.
I’ve belatedly ordered a SOEKS dosimeter; several sites assured me they ship them, but NOT to the US; mine will, they tell me, arrive from Israel some time between August 15 and September 1. $309 postpaid. It seems a reasonable investment on behalf of family, friends, and ENE regulars. Meanwhile it is raining [glowing] cats and dogs on the garden.
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I’m so glad you bought one Risa! Hope when you get it you start VIDEO POSTING too. No money here. Glad you were able to EVEN get one.
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Risa,
Good Grief.. ISREAL ??
This country the the US Gov gives 8.2 MILLION dollars a DAY to?? So that they can kill more Palestinians??
Or, they can be the ‘in between man’ for the See Eye Aye in the scam of selling drugs for arms or the other way around, whatever suits the psyops people.
They were the in between shills for IRAN/Contra. They own Wall Street, All still breathing Presidents .. The FED, etc. the list is endless of the power they hold over the US.
Someone give me one good reason the American Taxpayer should give Isreal 8.2 ML a day and I will shut up.
Otherwise, I will expose them for what they are.
Do you know that in the Bushie 2 admin. they were given rights for the Mossad to come to America and not even let the Feds know they were investigating here and could walk into our homes like the CIA, DEA, NSA, and all the other subversive arms of the govt. without even a Search Warrent? How did they get that power?
They are the only group outside of the US that can do this..
I would like o know why.
I would also like to know why you can’t say anything , I mean NOTHING against a Jew.
No matter who you are, Helen Thomas, Rick Sanchez, anyone.. You can’t say anything negative about jews or you are blackballed.. the very next day.
I started out wanting to take a break from my endeavor and laugh about this stupid MSM via Japan joke of an article.
That got ruined knowing that Isreal had the keys to Radiation detectors. That ruined it for me.
as emily latella said on Saturday Night Live, years ago.. ” nevermind”
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DITTO BIG TIME THEYPOISONUS!!
I think…no I know Risa WILL AGREE. She just wants a METER.
I want to know why we ALWAYS DEFEND ISRAEL too! Could it be it’s a country of NAZI’S? Well, so IS AMERICA!!
They RUN ISRAEL and AMERICA just like Nazi Germany did.
please dont attack me. It’s the truth though. “The Rise of the 4th Reich”
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ATTACK
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OOPS! lol risa what have you started lol
will now sleep with grin on face! night everyone!
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Well chit, I keep hitting the wrong key on the puter.
I have been up too long and I’m terribly tired.. need a break.
I would never attack you about Isreal or anything else.. I’m with you 100% on the Isreal thing.
More people need to be aware.
arclite? hope I am spelling that right, I’m 65, tired and overwrought. Anyhow, I have read some of your posts and think you are possibly Gulf Coast?
You, like me, are definately angry over the handling of the debacle of the ‘BP Oil Spill’ and the way that the US gov handled it.
I am also. I lived in Lousiana for years, I am married to a Cajun man. Before going back to La. in the 90′s, I lived In Bay St. Louis. I still have ties emotionally and with a couple of friends there. This is an atrocity that the MSM shoved under the rug, and still do.
I fear that Justice will never be served, however I saw something lately about it and I hope it gets more press again.
My Heart is still in Bay St. Louis. What a beautiful and historic place it was/is.
We moved out of La. because of all the oil field pollution, and the DH would not go to BSL and I couldn’t justify it because the insurance was out of this world.
We moved her to N. Fl just last fall. I am sorry we moved here, but tired of moving. I fight the fight for the Gulf often still and will never cease.
Trying to finish this without hitting the wrong key. good so far, to will quit.
Risa, nothing against you, I think you are a very good person, I have read alot at your blog, and wish I had the ‘gift of gab’ to be able to write like you.
It just incessed me that Isreal has the market on rad meters.
I have to get some rest. take care, one and all. We need a new comments board. The old one was supposed to end 7/14. RIP
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@theypoisonus no uk, but i care! have a good rest!
in the words of epictitus
“i am a citizen of the world, not a citizen of athens” and still just as appicable today!
peace
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I need REST too. God, day after day we’ve been watching this unfold. Since the beginning, I have felt we’ve BEEN ATTACKED. Not us personally…but ATTACKED BY FORCES greater than us pea-ons.
I’m off to take a bath. See you all tomorrow.
Proud of Japan winning the WORLD CUP!!
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Well, it’s a Russian product. The only merchant that had one for me happens to be IN Israel. What his or her politics or, for that matter, nationality is, was not revealed. FWIW, a friend of a friend of mine was run over by an Israeli D9 while defending the Palestinians, does that help?
The truth is, none of us have completely clean hands, gang. Everyone alive today, I read somewhere, is the descendant of a conqueror.
My acre once belonged to the Kalapooyas, and I’m sure they weren’t consulted about it being reallocated to the pink-skinned land-grabbers that gave them, mostly, smallpox in return.
I remember that when the Hutus made their minds up to take their machetes to a million Tutsis in Rwanda, I said nothing to them about it.
That bothers me to this day; why didn’t I do anything about it?
Did anyone here? Some of you would have been too young or maybe even (!!) not born yet? But there would be similar examples.
A friend of mine puts water jugs in the desert so Mexican people who are traveling for a better life don’t die of thirst. I don’t tell another friend about it because he believes the law is the law … aiding and abetting …
So it goes; I placed the order. I’m hoping it does more good than harm; but of course I don’t know that it will …
Life is a beach. And we’re all On The Beach. Love you, ENENEWSers.
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risabee,
You are a shining gem and the world is a brighter place with you in it…
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Are you refering to this article:
THE RISE OF THE FOURTH REICH – THE BUSH FAMILY OLIGARCHY – Funding the Hitler Project
http://watch.pair.com/reich.html
It is really off topic for this website.
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theypoisonus;
Re Israel- My sentiments EXACTLY!
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Have you read this book?
The Farhud: Roots of the Arab-Nazi Alliance in the Holocaust
http://www.amazon.com/Farhud-Roots-Arab-Nazi-Alliance-Holocaust/dp/0914153145/ref=pd_sim_b_1
It’s really off-topic for this website.
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regarding this point …who are the manipulaters?
“Including sorting out the scientists/propagandists who lied to cover this up, thus causing many more deaths as people stayed, who should have left.”
From
http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=289
BP’s advertising agency is Ogilvy & Mather and their PR consultants Ogilvy PR. In the past BP has also used other companies and a number of the trade associations to which it belongs as environmental or community relations consultants.
This is the type of company that would handle such a pr campaign and there are others mentioned in the link above…and below is a comment from an article from the cipr, who the top dogs in the PR field…the guy didn’t think the japanese were very aware in this field..ill post thi section cos its weird from 2008! and i think it places the blame elsewhere (partly) than the japanese….
“isiting local government public relations teams overseas has proved the UK can teach its Japanese counterparts some important lessons to lead the profession, Lea Fountain reveals.”
“We just put out the information the departments tell us to”.
“his was not the answer I was expecting from a Japanese local government public relations team after asking them how they developed their work schedules.
Having travelled to the Kanagawa Prefecture during a Rotary International Group Study Exchange programme last year, I was expecting a more strategic response from my Japanese counterparts.
I thought it possible my question was translated incorrectly, so tried a different approach.”
Me:
“What do people think of your newsletter?”
PR team:
“We send it to every home in the prefecture.”
Me:
“But do people read it?”
PR team:
Blank looks
Me:
“Do you ask people if they like it?”
PR team:
More blank looks
Me:
“Have you ever sent out questionnaires, run a focus group?”
PR team:
“We’ve never thought of doing that before.”
Excited chatter among themselves in Japanese.
“You ask people what they think?”
More excited chatter.
“This is very, very interesting!”
“‘d travelled to the country with a big notebook, ready to jot down lots of fantastic PR tips from this forwardlooking, technologically advanced country.
But instead I found myself sitting in a council office just outside of Tokyo, surrounded by a team of PR officers who were making a note of my every word.”
http://www.cipr.co.uk/content/news-opinion/features/industry-issues/670/follow-my-lead
just digging around this subject….question who is the PR company behind this deception and manipulation? I suspect international as the comment above hints at this….it would seem the campaign is being run on the bp template of last year, except no congress to answer too! Denial, witholding the facts, hiding or destroying evidence…using compensation as a weapon to keep the masses in check…manipulation of the media leaving a ketling effect on the truth…
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Arclight – The manipulators go so far back and SO DEEP, it’s blowing my ever loving mind TODAY. I say TODAY because I’m reading The Rise of the 4th Reich right NOW. It details so much, so many people…for DECADES. Incredible reading. I just finished the Chapters Project Paperclip and Nazi Mind Control. Talk about controlling Mass Populations. They are doing it today. (as you know already)
I think it was an ENENEWSER who recommended the book. Might have been you. Thank YOU whoever it was.
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I was commenting last week that I think this RUPERT LEAK might bring us some LEAKS on Japan too. Just how deep and wide does this DOWNPLAY of Fukushima go?? People are gonna start SPILLING the beans. It’s esp gonna get GOOD now that Rebekah Brooks will be squealing like a Pig. Many MANY others will come forth, just watch. Hope so anyway.
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(as you know already)
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Thank YOU!! What a book = and a half. So many references in it, I’ve ordered 4 more just from the book. DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE I’ll be for the WHOLE SUMMER.
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Correction: I have ordered many OTHER TITLES that are in the book. You know, the last year, with the news so damn bad, I was taking to reading HISTORY…to escape. But escaping is like “hiding under the covers”. It might be good in TIMES OF PEACE (whenever that was). We ARE AT WAR NOW! Thanks again.
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well I was scared when I clicked in the title to read. good its just some fun stuff. hope japan can find a way to save the land or it will be a proven fact. good soccer means bad news.
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Yahoo, they won at a silly sports match!
Meanwhile, don’t get sick in or near the disaster zone…
Don’t fall ill in a nuke crisis
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo20110718a4.html
Why haven’t local hospitals admit patients?
Their appeals to restart hospitalization have been turned down by both the health and welfare ministry and the Fukushima prefectural government. Both are simply passing the buck. The prefectural government says the decision against restarting hospitalization is in accordance with the ministry’s policy, while the ministry asserts that it is a policy of the prefectural government.
Their reasoning is that they would have to be responsible for moving hospitalized patients to a safer place should another nuclear accident occur and that they would like to avoid such trouble. This is tantamount to the idea of abandoning the weak in the event of an emergency.
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Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
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Declare martial law on the wizard’s palace, arrest the man behind the curtain, and everyone else, hold a tribunal, and dish out the maximum punishment according to existing federal statutes. And sieze all the assets and apply them to the national debt.
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This level of disinfo is rather vigorous, and horrifying – look at the comments:
Reminder: Radiation-surveying helicopter flights under way
http://westseattleblog.com/2011/07/reminder-radiation-surveying-helicopter-flights-under-way#comment-795618
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PU239,
I found that the ones who posted anything of substance were supportive of our cause, the shill was just spouting words…
And way to go Keys, getting into the fight.
I just posted a comment there!
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Seattle area got Iodine-131 at 141 times the normal level, plus hot particles.
This poster tries to say that hot particles are part of background radiation and have been swirling around us for years. He never mentions bioaccumulation or biomagnification, i.e. things will get much worse over time, the fact these are man-made particles – some that’ll last billions of years, and so on.
He also stays away from the current state of the Fukushima Plant and the fact it has been continually spewing radiation for 4 months now.
http://westseattleblog.com/2011/07/reminder-radiation-surveying-helicopter-flights-under-way#comment-795618
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I hit em again…
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and again…
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He must work in Japan.
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Quick update. I can’t seem to stop this fight.
I even shut off the puter, but wondered if I had been successful at Current TV.com..
I was not. However someone there named Wyatt ( my husband’s youngest sons name, irony) picked up on my comment and added it to his forum.
http://current.com/community/93344606_s-o-s-from-fukushima.htm
Some people found it and any little bit helps, right?
G’night. I am beyond exhausted, but had to share as you were the beginning of my fight.
Good Karma to you all.
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Exclusive: David House on Bradley Manning, Secret WikiLeaks Grand Jury, and U.S. Surveillance
“because everyone is an activist now” excelllent qoute from this interview…
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/11/david_house_on_bradley_manning_secret
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Typhoon May Pass Over Fukushima
[by July 21, 2011]
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-18/tepco-rushes-to-cover-fukushima-nuclear-plant-as-typhoon-ma-on-nears-japan.html
Tepco Rushes to Cover Fukushima as Typhoon Nears
By Aaron Sheldrick – Jul 17, 2011 6:30 PM PT
A handout photo from a screen capture shows workers checking temporary reactor pressure indicators on the north side of the first floor in the Unit 1 reactor building at Tokyo Electric Power Co.’s Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear power station in Fukushima, Japan, on Friday, June 3, 2011. Source: Tokyo Electric Power Co. via Bloomber
Tokyo Electric Power Co. is rushing to install a cover over a building at its crippled Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant to shield it from wind and rain as Typhoon Ma-on approached Japan’s coast from the south.
The cover will be placed over the turbine building of the No. 3 reactor “momentarily,” Hajime Motojuku, a Tepco spokesman, said yesterday. The utility also detached a hose from a barge docked near the plant that stores contaminated water, he said, without elaborating.
Tepco is struggling to contain radioactive emissions after the March 11 earthquake and tsunami knocked out cooling systems and explosions damaged containment structures. The eye of Ma-on was about 600 kilometers (370 miles) east-southeast of the city of Kagoshima at 8 a.m. today, about 1,300 kilometers from the Fukushima plant, according to Japan’s Meteorological Agency.
The storm was moving north at 19 kilometers per hour with winds blowing at 157 kph. Ma-on is forecast to head north and be close to the coast of the southwestern island of Kyushu after 6 a.m. tomorrow. A forecast track issued by the U.S. Navy Joint Typhoon Warning Center indicates the storm may pass over the Fukushima plant by July 21.
The Japanese weather agency issued high wave warnings for most of the southern coast from Kyushu to southeast of Tokyo.
Last year, the eyes of two storms passed within 300 kilometers of Tohoku, as the area where the plants are located is known, weather agency data show.
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Michael Friedlander, Nuclear Engineer – talking on Bloomberg – is not very optimistic:
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/71458358/
- latest cooling system not working, and typical of their try-fail routine (haphazard)
- still haven’t moved from the “damage-control” phase to “recovery” phase
- still not on long-term cooling
- still doing feed-and-bleed operation to keep them cooled
- reactors still vulnerable to other accidents (EQ, tsunami, etc.)
Interviewer: “Do they know what they’re doing?”
Nuclear Engineer: “It’s very difficult … I have to question some of the things that are going on there, and the management …”
- it’s ongoing
- we’re in new territory
- they’ve known for 25 years that an accident in a Mk I BWR is one the severest you can have
- TEPCO followed guidelines casually
- they need a long-term stable system of core-cooling
- their going from one idea to the next idea to the next idea shows [they don't know what they're doing]<—(almost cut off by interviewer)
- it doesn't appear as though they have thought it through
- "it appears to be a very uncoordinated, um……" [Friedlander cut off here]
- he can't foresee putting a sarcophagous over the plant, they have to get the cooling done first–"because, at the end of the day, they have to get the fuel out."
- the only way they can get the fuel out is to reestablish the circulation system
- at some point they have to "pop the top" and get the fuel out
- has heard a lot of calls for the IAEA to take on a bigger role in terms of regulation
- he does not envisage a super [supra]-national entity being able to shut down reactors, only the country itself can do this
- “There is a sense of urgency and something has to be done. We simply cannot continue in this way.”
[transl. they're doing F-all about regulation]
I can’t see how they can get the fuel out when it’s melted into blobs underneath the reactor vessels
As Friedlander was saying “They did it very casually.” a headline appeared below saying:
Friendlander: TEPCO’s approach ‘diligent’.
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They need stable and long-term core-cooling [before doing anything else]
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Grim !
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Depending on how deep these cores have traveled, they may have materials such as mud and sediments resting on top (how thick?)as they have melted through and this will keep any liquid nitrogen from getting direct contact to the coriums acting as an insulator, and meaning that they can not be cooled effectively !
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Thanks for the link and outline.
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Dates back to June 10th but still very relevant
U.S. extends travel alert around Fukushima power plant till Aug. 15
http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/earthquake-disaster-in-japan/u-s-extends-travel-alert-around-fukushima-power-plant-till-aug-15-1.146217
Stars and Stripes
Published: June 10, 2011
TOKYO — The U.S. government has extended a warning to U.S. citizens to keep out of a 50-mile evacuation zone surrounding the damaged Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant.
The alert, which expires Aug. 15 and was transmitted Thursday by the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo, advises that, although the situation at the Fukushima plant remains serious and dynamic, it is not a significant risk to U.S. citizens outside the evacuation zone.
“Out of an abundance of caution, we continue to recommend that U.S. citizens avoid travel to destinations within the 50-mile evacuation zone of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Plant,” the alert stated. “U.S. citizens who are still within this zone should evacuate or shelter in place.”
In contrast, the Japanese government’s evacuation zone extends 12 miles away from the nuclear plant.
Transport routes between Tokyo and Sendai that run through the zone are open to the public and the U.S. government believes health and safety risks associated with using the routes are low, the alert states.
“It is safe for U.S. citizens to use the Tohoku Shinkansen railway and Tohoku Expressway to transit through the area,” the alert states.
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New discussion thread, Admin. Please!
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Wistle blowers needed here. Don’t bench us on the sidelines looking at comments, contribute please.
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7-Eleven Raises $40 Million for Japan Disaster Relief
The global campaign began in March following the earthquake and tsunami with canister contributions at 7-Eleven stores worldwide.
http://www.nacsonline.com/NACS/News/Daily/Pages/ND0718115.aspx
DALLAS – The 7-Eleven Inc. global convenience retailing organization raised more than $40 million in donations as of June 30 to assist victims devastated by the March 11, 2011, earthquake and tsunami in Japan.
The international fundraising efforts included canister contributions from 7-Eleven customers, as well as donations from the National Coalition of Associations of 7-Eleven Franchisees, individual franchisees and company employees. Fresh-food and bakery suppliers also provided support.
During the months of March, April and May, customers of the retail chain, which has the most outlets in the world, dropped coins and bills in collection canisters located at approximately 36,000 participating stores around the world.
Dallas-based 7-Eleven Inc. is owned by Seven-Eleven Japan in Tokyo, which operates and franchises more than 13,200 stores on the island nation.
“The Japanese people are resilient, and it is evident that our customers, franchisees, suppliers and employees really wanted to support them and assist in rebuilding their lives,” said 7-Eleven President and CEO Joe DePinto. “We hope these generous donations by thousands of global citizens and friends of 7-Eleven can help meet some of the basic needs as the Japanese people recover in the years to come.”
Funds collected will be directed to organizations that provide rescue and recovery, safety and rebuilding services in the three Japanese prefectures impacted the most — Miyagi, Fukushima and Iwate.
In addition to 7-Eleven’s U.S. and Canada operations, stores participating in the 7-Eleven global effort are located in Japan, Thailand, Taiwan, South Korea, Mexico, China, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore and Indonesia.
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The Best at the game Deserves the Title. Congrats Japan! But Watch out for next Year!
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panem et circenses
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