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US Congressman: Days before officials can enter fire-damaged area of nuclear sub

Published: May 25th, 2012 at 2:27 am ET
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Too early to tell whether USS Miami will sail again
The Day (Connecticut)
May 24, 2012

The commander of the submarine group that includes the USS Miami said Thursday it is too early to tell whether the nuclear-powered attack submarine, which caught fire late Wednesday afternoon at a Maine shipyard, will sail again.

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U.S. Rep. Chellie Pingree, D-Maine, told the Kennebec Journal Thursday afternoon that Navy officials won’t be able to enter the fire-damaged portion of the Miami for a few days to determine whether the submarine is salvageable.

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Published: May 25th, 2012 at 2:27 am ET
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56 comments to US Congressman: Days before officials can enter fire-damaged area of nuclear sub

  • goathead goathead
    May 25, 2012 at 3:07 am

    To determine whether it is salvageable or to determine whether its radioactive???


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  • Sam
    May 25, 2012 at 3:15 am

    lets get more information about reactors on subs
    and what hapepns to them if in cold shutdown, the
    electrical controls for them are destroyed in a fire.
    Did the navy nuclear engineers design a fail safe
    plan to keep them cooled?


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    • Gotham
      May 25, 2012 at 3:46 am

      The "cooling" question has been my concern as well.

      Just how interconnected is the electrical system?

      How long will the batteries last that are keeping the cooling pumps working?


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      • dharmasyd
        May 25, 2012 at 6:04 pm

        Don't know if it is true, but a couple of people told us that the nuclear reactor is removed with its containment before it is taken into drydock for work. One person was "Fred," the other may have been JoyB — but I don't know for sure if it was JoyB.

        I know it is true that we were told this by at least 2 people. I don't know if the information itself is true. I would tend to believe it if one of the reports came from our JoyB.


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    • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle
      May 25, 2012 at 5:29 am

      Yes. When the fuel melts through, there is plenty of water.


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    • snowwy snowwy
      May 25, 2012 at 9:08 am

      they are all safe and never start to burn… just ask atomic rod about it… he knows


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    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad
      May 26, 2012 at 1:22 pm

      The newest subs are all controlled completely by electronics, nothing else.

      When water gets into the electronics, they short circuit.

      What happens when all of the controls to the sub reactor and etc short circuit due to water from fire suppression?


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture
    May 25, 2012 at 4:12 am

    Someone with a Geiger counter could check if it's spewing radiation.


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  • Mission Mission
    May 25, 2012 at 4:58 am

    My bet is that somebody knows what is going on.


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  • durando durando
    May 25, 2012 at 5:35 am

    I live in central Maine about an hour north of Portsmouth naval ship yard and have been on the base a handfull of times I really hope we aren't at risk but I would have to assume that the sealed nature of the sub would help contain burning contaminants but would love opinions from anyone in the know.


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  • ion jean ion jean
    May 25, 2012 at 6:55 am

    The Navy had no problem charging right in minutes after the Bikini Atoll nuke testing…hundreds of enlisted men, no officers…

    They had no problem dropping (with the Army) the bomb on Hiroshima while two US POWs sat beneath it…

    Now, when American civilian lives may be at stake (finally), they will wait days to check for radioactivity?

    If not for that, then what be their purpose? To guard int'l Plutonium trades for the money mongering genocidal nuke industry?


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    • ion jean ion jean
      May 25, 2012 at 6:57 am

      What did they put the fire out with? Saltwater again?


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    • many moons
      May 25, 2012 at 9:06 am

      Thay may be waiting until the story is forgotten. takes a couple days, then no one will be asking questions as to the findings…was there radiation or not….this way they won't even have to answer the question.
      It's similiar to the tactic the test that never come back on the black powder, or the yellow powder, or the sea creatures that have died…when they want ot they will let us know.

      We need to shut down this industry…NUKES SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!


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  • hobbleknee
    May 25, 2012 at 7:04 am

    People need to quit calling government workers "official". They are public servants!


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  • Ramaswami Kumar
    May 25, 2012 at 7:09 am

    Is man so dangerous that you (man) have to create this something and no one knows (what about google search ?) what 'll happen. Look at the no nothings at Fuku. At Chernobyl(doctors dare not tell), yes at Three Mile Island…Hey, ask Ad Rickover's daughter she seems to know things that Carter knew but hushed up? Strange are the ways of modern civilization that they are letting loose Sorcercers on the hapless Kudankulam affected people in the hope some psychiatricks will allow witchcraft to allow unsound criminals to make money(for what?). See what devastations occurred during the nuclear era which killed 23 million Indian infants…(See Table IMINA in http://deathdealersnukes.blogspot.in/ )
    There is no pure reason for the non-harmonised.


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    • ion jean ion jean
      May 25, 2012 at 7:24 am

      Man, without embracing the divine, is nothing more than a selfish cockroach who will eat its own young…

      Man, in harmony with the Creator, begins to speak the truth and care for the weak…

      Problem is, in modern society, its nearly impossible to visually tell them apart!


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  • Ramaswami Kumar
    May 25, 2012 at 8:15 am

    @ arclight May 25, 2012 at 7:49 am
    Nuclear Necromancing!
    See http://nuclearnecromany.blogspot.in/
    Infallibility in forbidding the propagation of truth!
    And IAEA and WHO neck to neck.
    Bad data elimination at its best avatar.


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    • arclight arclight
      May 25, 2012 at 8:29 am

      nice link..

      "…It is perhaps a reasonable theory to propound that all efforts at providing good health care to the mother and the infant proved futile against the surge wave of strontium- 90 damage to the bone marrow by inhuman cold war hydrogen bombs exploded in the atmosphere with impunity by the nuclearisers, sublime in the knowledge that these infant mortalities would be perfect murders (Andrei Sakharov,1992. Memoirs. Vintage).
      4. According to Gofman (John W. Gofman.1981. Radiation and Human Health. Sierra Club Books.), the nuclear power plants behave similarly to the exploding hydrogen bombs in the atmosphere because of their mandatory effluents even during normal operation. …"

      they left out medical reactors lol!
      campaigning against chemotherapy… not
      some of europes worst contamination comes from medical reactors and the more nasty isotopes they "breed" iodine 124 contaminates budapest.. childrens thyroids get effected… hugary has a very high rate of cancer compared to the rest of the world… then you breed some more iodine and voila !! kill or cure (the "lost" 10 percent :( ).. then you pollute some more kiddies etc etc etc etc etc etc

      tell the boys down at zerohedge (i know your watching anyway ;) ) to go long on oncology.. its a no brainer!!… :(


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      • Whoopie Whoopie
        May 25, 2012 at 8:39 am

        Someone is calling you on Tweet: @arclight http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ICringely/~3/FiTzoCmNnjI/ do you agree with Robert's assessment of Fukushima cleanup?


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        • arclight arclight
          May 25, 2012 at 9:11 am

          the info seems sound and the tone compassionate.. not corporate, so i would agree with his post with 2 comments

          "…The amount of Cesium 137 in the fuel rods at Fukushima Daiichi is the equivalent of 85 Chernobyls…."

          i think 1 chernobyl would be enough for japan as the chernobyl experiment is only a tenth the way through.. and still ni proper western data on this tragedy imo… and dont forget the slightly worse AND longer running experiment on the semipalantisk peoples of khasakstan… eugenics.. dont get me started..

          and this

          "..Lies are being told because Japanese government and industry are more afraid of their vulnerability being exposed than they are concerned about citizens dying…"

          more like they have to legally do whats best for the shareholders.. important driving force in all these disasters imo..

          and this

          "…Some think the Japanese military should take over the job, but I believe that would be just another mistake. The same foot dragging takes place in the Japanese military that happens in Japanese industry…."

          agree.. but use the resources available.. give independent ngo`s the funding and permission to work in japan .. as a priority..
          ACRO france and CRIIRAD for example, already with feet on the ground.. but stymied!

          but i suppose he had to limit the word count :)
          but maybe an addition or 2?

          any additions enenewsers?

          could you post sweety? hope it helps the 350,000 forgotten children of fukushima.. they NEED…


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      • ion jean ion jean
        May 25, 2012 at 8:49 am

        Perfect Murders meaning no suspects found?

        Gofman's confirmation disproves TEPCOs assertion that the only radioactive substances released were I131 and Cs137 for a total of 750,000 terabecquerels! That's the equivalent of 8,000 Hiroshima-sized (500 KT?) Atomic bombs.

        I know at least Sr90 goes hand in hand at 2/3rds Cesium value and Sr89 is initially in triple ratio to all cesium. They don't even mention the detected Cs134 in their calcs (TEPCO article yesterday).


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        • Ramaswami Kumar
          May 25, 2012 at 8:55 am

          ion jean
          May 25, 2012 at 8:49 am
          Exactly. A perfect murder is one where you cannot trace a murder to the culprit, say this bomb or that reactor.
          Andrei Sakharov states that the exploders went about with impunity with atmospheric nuclear tests because of this difficulty.


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          • ion jean ion jean
            May 25, 2012 at 9:15 am

            @R Kumar: Their smoking gun I have found to be early 1960s Public Health Service charts of radioisotopes in the U.S. Food Supply, never banning, restricting, warning the public, just quietly watching the death show from behind their curtain of nat'l security…

            See nuclearcrimes.org at the bottom R links to his Scribd docs and scans of those charts (unless he pulled them). Worth archiving if U have the drive space or paper.


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        • Ramaswami Kumar
          May 25, 2012 at 9:52 am

          @ ion jean
          May 25, 2012 at 8:49 am
          12 to 18 kT is the size of a Hiroshima bomb.


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  • aigeezer aigeezer
    May 25, 2012 at 8:38 am

    "I want to emphasize that the heroic actions of the firefighting teams averted what could have been a much more severe situation," (from the article above).

    Hmmn, like what, exactly? Looks like someone inadvertently let a cat out of a bag.


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  • Ramaswami Kumar
    May 25, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Top right hand corner of this section screeches aloud:Unexplained: Tepco “could not measure” amount of radiation released when Unit 4 exploded.
    You know many still are wallowing(everybody?)in the arrogance that man knows enough to go about with modern civilization(mc)(built on false foundations)and will be happy ever after. But there is a civilization which is perhaps almost lost which says that the principle of perfect design is "Transcending all is the Unknowable." But man has to live in health here and now. Thus he has to design around this ignorance! Far from reaching the unknowable state,however, Tepco seems to have reached the Unknown state. The whole of mc is proceeding from crises to crises not knowing where it is. If life has to survive, one has to recognise the principle of perfect design and practice return. That is the civilization to which it looks as though we should immediately turn to. Check out:
    http://modernandnormal.blogspot.in/


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  • Whoopie Whoopie
    May 25, 2012 at 9:08 am

    OT
    Obama Names Allison Macfarlane, Yucca Mountain Critic, As Head Of Nuclear Regulatory Commission http://huff.to/Ltk4jE via @HuffPostGreen


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  • markww markww
    May 25, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    SUB BURNED FOR HOURS NEXT TIME NAVY USE NITROGEN GAS TO EXTINGUISH THE FIRES OR HALON IT WORKS


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  • Spectrometising
    May 26, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Just cut it into manageable pieces. Divide and conquer.

    After this, a suitable burial ground like Yukka mountain could be used.

    It is time the officials became servants.

    "hobbleknee
    May 25, 2012 at 7:04 am

    People need to quit calling government workers "official". They are public servants! " Yep, i agree hobleknee, but they need constant adult supervision until they can prove their worth..


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