“Constant influx” of U.S. sailors coming forward with problems after service off Fukushima — Gundersen: “Health effects of the Reagan crew are real… these brave men and women were exposed to high levels of radiation” (AUDIO)

Published: January 13th, 2014 at 4:58 pm ET
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EcoWatch, Jan. 11, 2014: The roll call of U.S. sailors who say their health was devastated when they were irradiated while delivering humanitarian help near the stricken Fukushima nuke is continuing to soar. So many have come forward that the progress of their federal class action lawsuit has been delayed. Bay area lawyer Charles Bonner says a re-filing will wait until early February to accommodate a constant influx of sailors from the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan and other American ships. […]

Nuclear expert Arnie Gundersen of Fairewinds Energy Education, Jan. 6, 2014 (55:45 in): At high levels you wind up with hair loss, vomiting, diarrhea — all of those experiences were experienced by the sailors on the USS Reagan, the aircraft carrier […] The health effects of the Reagan crew are real. There’s no denying that these brave men and women were exposed to high levels of radiation. But I don’t know if the suit is ever going to work because when you’re in the military, there’s limits on what and how you can sue.

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Full Gundersen interview for Coast subscribers here — For now it’s back up  on YouTube here

Published: January 13th, 2014 at 4:58 pm ET
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  • bwoodfield bwoodfield

    Now imagine all the people living in Japan…

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      And imagine all the people living around reactors everywhere.
      There are events nearly everyday in the USA, and I am sure around the world as well.

      http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/event-status/event/en.html

      The only solution is to stop all nuclear related activities and concentrate on the clean up.

      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        exactly, newsblackoutUSA. I'm thinking, if this could happen so soon to those within proximity of these wrecked power plants, how long before the world will be victim to the equally deleterious of all this radiation? Doubtless all life insurance companies, throughout the world, will be following this catastrophe closely and adjusting their actuarial rate tables accordingly…

        • nedlifromvermont

          Hey AS! Insurance industry never fell for the lie of nuclear power safety … hence the industry felt a need to buy Price-Anderson liability protection from a whore/hobby horse US Congress …

          and insurance policies for property damage exclude damages caused by nuclear radiation … all homeowners' policies sold in the U.S. have this exclusion!! …

          and so I'm guessing there is a "nuclear contamination: exclusion clause in people's life insurance policies … and soon to be in their ACA health plan "insurance policies" too …

          This insurance industry "nuclear exclusion" rather "gives the lie", wouldn't you say?

          peace …

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            I would say so! 🙂

          • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

            @ned….That says it all…one way to get to the truth is to see who is holding the checkbook, or on this case withholding the checkbook….

          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            sorry, nedlifromvermont, for being slow to return; got 'lost' in doing some research on PV panels. Good to see you're weathering the 'storm'. Been busy myself, finishing up a project and installing it in my humble abode.

            Got all that you said about padding losses. When I first heard about Price-Anderson (thanks to the ENENEWS crowd), I realized just-how-sneaky the NP industry truly is. They're shameless, when it comes to passing the buck to the unwitting citizenry (and future generations of struggling workers).

            My initial point was that we're all going to have a good time proving just-how we ended up with a roving-eye growing from one of our shoulders. But you can believe the insurance industry will keeping an eye on the demographics behind so many 'unexplainable' cancers…

            • socref

              Price Andersen was devised so that no nuclear enterprise would escape regulatory scrutiny. It was actually devised for your benefit,

            • Wyakin Wyakin

              AS-Yep. The whole purpose of the PAA is to promote the nuclear industry by providing indemnification for the NP industry for liability exceeding $12.6 B USD. We know from examples like Chernobyl and FU costs for remediation (whatever this means based on known limitations) can run from $500 B to $ trillions.

              This in no way benefits citizens or taxpayers. It promotes irresponsible NP risk taking and is nothing short of corporate welfare paid for by tax payers. The NP industry has received hundreds of billions in taxpayer welfare in subsidies since 1957, not adjusted for inflation. This corporate welfare needs to end.

          • usagi usagi

            And yet we're supposed to believe that these plants are an acceptable risk?!? What were they smoking?

            • socref

              Depends on what you define as acceptable.

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                Mr. Blackwell, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?!?!

                Richard Blackwell
                3939 Lavista Rd. #E-114
                Atlanta, GA 30084
                Phone: 7703145458
                linked2software.com

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        87.5% of all the people on that ship and/or living around any spewing Nuclear Facilities and/or downwind from them, will be diagnosed with cancer or associated diseases in their respective lifetimes, and it's all very sad what this Nuclear Technology has done to our entire world. 🙁

        • socref

          Your percentage isnt validated.

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            Mr. Blackwell, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?

            Richard Blackwell
            3939 Lavista Rd. #E-114
            Atlanta, GA 30084
            Phone: 7703145458
            linked2software.com

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            87.5% will be the final number over the next 70 years… 🙁

            You should write it down so that others in the future can see what was written/spoken here today.. 🙂

      • Southbound Southbound

        Until 2011, I had been agnostic to nuclear power. I knew the dangers of the waste, and "what if the coolant fails" bla bla bla, but when Fukushima blew up, I became fascinated in radioactive physics, chemistry, and went on a personal journey to figure out what this STUFF really is. I've read several books, spend days and weeks researching material online, bought a good Geiger counter, and started spreading this information as prolifically as I could.

        When I was young, my mother was instrumental in shutting down the NPP in our state. Maine Yankee closed in 1996, and I can remember making and carrying picket signs outside their gate.

        Before I even knew what I was doing, I was a small part in shutting down a NPP, and for that I am proud. And my pride for my mom grew ten-fold when I realized her involvement. It was her understanding of the dangers that laid the path for me to follow.

        We aren't all lucky enough to have an anti-nuke mom or dad in our lives. Many of us start this journey with no understanding of this very unintuitive topic. But for anyone with doubts, or they feel like this mountain is just too tall to climb, remember that we are all in this together.

        If you want to go fast, go alone.
        But if you want to go far, go together.

      • socref

        I felt more secure living near a reactor than living near coal plants.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          The dichotomy isn't between coal and nuclear. Both need to be rejected. I hope for your daughter's sake that you are not living near a nuclear power plant. There are breast cancer clusters around nuclear power plants. That is science that women and female children are much more susceptible to radiation.

          • socref

            You have no data for your assertion for low low radiation doses. My sister had breast cancer and she lived in a large city far from any nuclear installations. The signal is the truth, the noise detracts from the truth.

            • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

              Mr. Blackwell, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?!?!?

              Richard Blackwell
              3939 Lavista Rd. #E-114
              Atlanta, GA 30084
              Phone: 7703145458
              linked2software.com

              • socref

                already answered it. You have asked this same question in 5 different blog stories you forget where you asked it. Go find my answer.

                Merkel is a politician. Germans hate RUssians. Russians gave them Chernobyl. Do you understand Bohemians?

                • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                  This site is not conducive to multithreaded individual conversations. I did not design it. Therefore I asked nicely for you to answer the question or show me the link of your answer. You denigrate people and then when they have a pertinent rebuttal which shows you up to be the fraud you are, you run away and refuse to answer. I can handle frauds. Just not ones that are as mean and insensitive as you. And after being told this by several members, you make no attempt to attenuate your behavior. You obviously have a dark agenda.

            • flatsville

              socref, re: your sister-

              >>>My sister had breast cancer and she lived in a large city far from any nuclear installations.<<<

              Very scientific conclusion there…

              Tell me, have you seen any of the reverse studies that find less mortality an morbidity in the geographic proximate population following the closure oa a NPP. Given your field, I would think you'd be all over those studies.

              • many moons

                There are no far away nuclear installations.
                We have seen how easily a supposed far away Fukushima can release it's toxins across a huge ocean.

                Our collective time and space mentality must be adjusted to radioactivity….radioactivity does not change over time or space…it silently moves across the earth….forever…unchanged!!!

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Correct!

                  "Our collective time and space mentality must be adjusted to radioactivity…"

                  We are adjusting, since it appears most of us will die from this spewing all over the world manmade radioactivity!

          • artika rama

            anne Isnt that why they built those stacks by nuke p[lants in the first place ?,, when there is a leak we just pump it up the stack(chimney) and it goes away ,, ofcourse it may come down as fallout on some poor farmers land , but no problem , we keep our nuke plant clean 🙂 its safe 🙂

            • Ana Ana

              @ artika
              Yes the radiation goes up the stacks. Here in Sacramento it was also secretly dumped in the local creek at night. When the people here found that out they were outraged and voted to close down the plant. But we had that power because our local utility is owned by the people of Sacramento not a for profit company.

              If a for profit company had owned Rancho Seco nuclear plant, we would have had no ability to do anything. And that is the issue. The power companies are corporations technically owned by a distributed group of shareholders, but completely controlled by their highly paid management who is truly answerable to no one, not the stockholders, not even their friendly boards of directors.
              Ana in Sacramento

              • artika rama

                ana Thats exactly what the problem is . COmpanies who have ONE GOAL only , that is to MAKE MONEY are the decision makers in issues that concerns peoples health . THATS JUST WRONG > TEPCO shouldnt be in charge of fukushima .
                I am glad it worked out fine in your area .

        • retali8 retali8

          I'm really sick and tired of the rubbish that comes out of your mouth mr.socref, why do we have to put up with someone l'ke you? obviously we are hitting the cherry with all this news else you wouldn't be here, right.

          • socref

            You have to put up with many different opinions in life. This blog isnt for a homogenous voice.

          • socref

            Not really. I am here to see how information I possess is held by those with belief structures of a polar opposite.

            The thesis is that given a population of a homogenous belief structure, interject someone with a different belief, and the response is almost predictable.

            Its basic human nature. I am now convinced there is no difference as I am treated here, as blacks were treated in the South during the Civil Rights days (and to an extent carried over today).

            • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

              SOCREF, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?

              Answer my question here or give me the link.

            • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

              Why won't you answer my question Mr. Blackwell? Answer here or give me the link.

            • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

              Socref…give it up dude. You have NOT shared any info to anyone on this site that is credible.

              For example…I noticed that within the first few weeks after 311, most trees branches drooped big time. I would guess that the radiation effects the trees ability to retain stiffness.

              So you are here to see how information you possess is held by others with opposing views? WTF is that all about? Let me clue you in. People are here to learn the big ugly TRUTH about this sad, sad situation. If we want to hear BS, we can easily just read BBC or NBC or CBS or most every rag out there. Get it?

        • Sickputer

          socref typed this past tense tale of location:

          "I felt more secure living near a reactor than living near coal plants."

          So how do you feel now. *;-) Are you near either one now?

          I would describe it as living near the devil or his punk sidekicks. Or being eaten by a grizzly bear versus being mauled by a cougar.

          Or having shingles versus having a stubbed toe. Or…well…you get my drift.

          Coal exhausts and coal slurry ponds are very dangerous. But when nuclear blows up…it travels the world dropping deadly turds everywhere. Coal is a mouse…nuclear is a T-Rex.

          And as we have witnessed at Fukushima, nearly 3 years into the nightmare it is impossible to contain the leaking fallout (water and air emissions). Containment would be hemisphere-saving, while the talk of decommission is fantasy island stuff.

          There can't be decommission until the fuel is safely contained. It is a long way from that status at Fukushima. If it's contained by the 2020 Olympics I will be the first to congratulate the workers who pull off that feat. More likely it might be slowing down a bit in 2525.

          • socref

            Coal emits more radiation than a nuclear plant. Go check it out.

            http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste&page=2

            The Kingston Ash Spill put out more radiation in the atmosphere than TMI. Surprise,

            http://dukespace.lib.duke.edu/dspace/handle/10161/4029

            • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

              SOCREF, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong??

              Answer my question here or give me the link.

            • Sickputer

              Soc: Still pushing this tired old erroneous viewpoint about the coal plant smear job in the SA rag. Yeah, things have worsened in the Elk River from coal so I give it another notch up on the toxicity scale, but still far below Nukashambles.

              You can flee 50 miles from Charleston and survive. You need to travel 10,000 miles from Nukashambles to achieve the same effect.

              Once again I refer you to the one thing that made any logical sense…the comment by Nurtzz:

              "1 – The article's title was misleading. Gram for gram, nuclear waste is much more radioactive than fly ash.

              2 – The 'scientific study' compared a measured exposure with an estimated exposure. Hmmm. Not what I'd consider good science.

              3 – The issue of exposure is, further, a false one. Hardly anyone (at least who knows what they're talking about) is afraid of being near a properly functioning nuclear reactor. They're clean places, carefully monitored, in the main, and so on. And coal-fired power plants are, in fact, nasty places, and dirty.

              The problem with the comparison is that if the coal-fired plant is struck by lightning, or a bomb, or a plane, or catches on fire, or breaks in half in an earthquake, your exposure will be mostly to particulate pollution, and for a few hours, during which you may leave the area.

              Conversely, if anything happens to a nuclear power plant to cause an accident, the risk of immediate exposure to a dangerous or lethal dose of radiation is fairly high.

          • usagi usagi

            Yes, nuclear power is clean, safe, and produces lots of electricity. UNTIL A PROBLEM DEVELOPS and the core can't be kept cool. Then it becomes the dirtiest bomb, and futile attempts to clean up afterward turn it into a massive energy and money pit that cannot be reclaimed.

        • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

          Mr. Blackwell, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong??

          Richard Blackwell
          3939 Lavista Rd. #E-114
          Atlanta, GA 30084
          Phone: 7703145458
          linked2software.com

    • tlsridercase tlsridercase

      Id love to see the look on socref face as the sailors beat him senseless after hee tried to explain to them that nuclear is safe. That there was no major release of radiation. That their symptoms must have somehow come from likely the very thickly shielded npp inside their own ship. Massive beat down id say. That shill makes me sick. What an absolute ass. Im a tradesman in a nuke plant and I wont work on any re & re on old cooling pipes. Hes a total nuke shill

  • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

    My military records were lost. How many of these kids records will be expunged/lost?

    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      @Tumrgrwer: in one video'd interview, the black sailor said his records went missing. All he has is his records from basic.

      • socref

        why do you distinguish a sailor as "black"?

        • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

          SOCREF, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?

          Answer my question here or give me the link to the answer.

  • Sam Sam

    As a reminder please do not respond to any of the NukPro's comments in this thread.
    It already has said these ailments are psychosomatic. Enough said. Ignore it.

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    All of these soldiers should have their hair tested, as all of these elements are traceable in hair.

    As a matter of fact, anyone who can afford it, have your hair tested…you may be very surprised at what you find.

    • artika rama

      newsblackoutUSA how about the ship itself ?, NOW ? , if that ship got so much fallout , probably it is still contaminated and people working on it are still getting high doses of radiation. Do they know ? Are there still people working on that ship?

    • And I thought I was worried about a hair follicle test before…

      Got sources for traceability in hair? I wonder if anyone's thought to do that to the animals around Chernobyl.

      artika rama, you gotta remember that the USS Reagan is a nuclear powered carrier, so it likely has the same effect on sailors as plants have on the people that live across the street.

      I also remember a cpl saying "If it ain't leakin', somethin's wrong." Wonder how inclusive that statement is 😉

      • artika rama

        therxhatespushups I have heard that USS reagon has been very close to fukushima and got huge amounts of fallout . Besides if the ships water distilation system uses sea water , imagine how toxic that water was and people had been even DRINKING IT !!! not just washing hands or so but COOKING with it and DRINKING it !! I mean if they would do it deliberately they wouldnt do a better job in poisoning those people ,, WOW !!

        • Can you imagine drinking a cup of that stuff? The thought makes me cringe. And if they showered in it, it definitely got in their eyes (hence blindness?). It's just disgusting to think that these people were sent into those conditions.

          • Southbound Southbound

            I'm afraid we are all drinking and eating it now. It is everywhere, in varying degrees.

            Obviously the USS R.R. was acutely irradiated, but its now all over the Northern hemisphere.

            I don't mean to sound like one of our fellow "off the deep end" extinction level event friends. I don't think this is an ELE.

            But I am a realist. I always filter my water. I wish I had a reverse osmosis system, but I do what I can with what I have. I never buy food from "out West." I shop for Southern hemisphere fruits and veggies as best I can.

            It's a difficult way to live, and I have it WWAAYY better than my brothers and sisters on the West coast.

        • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

          There was a report by the Army about how poorly equipped the military personnel who responded was at Fukushima.

          I will include the link to the report and some other documents that tell about Fukushima.

          http://publicintelligence.net/tag/fukushima/

          Specific report from the US Army
          http://publicintelligence.net/call-tomodachi/
          http://info.publicintelligence.net/CALL-Tomodachi.pdf
          Synopsis: "The U.S. Army, Pacific Command Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear, and High Yield Explosives Division and the 71st Chemical Company recently redeployed from Japan in support of Operation Tomodachi. Their efforts provide the center of gravity for this collection effort. This document will strive to highlight and capture some best practices and issues requiring further study by the U.S. Army Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear School and other units deploying to similar operations."

          • Ana Ana

            newsblackout, thank you so much for these links. The documents are fascinating and the links within the document are also very interesting. I always believed our military would be all over Fukushima and now I see it is true, they were.
            Ana in Sacramento

    • socref

      they also need whole body scans.

  • Sam Sam

    I have yet to see any news on the ongoing removal of spent fuel from 4
    and the work at 3. Focus has been lost for now with the latest news on the
    corium and sad to say the illnesses of the sailors.
    The dangers of massive radiological releases from the work on them is
    more of a current concern to me than what's going to happen to the corium.
    Earthquakaes can take down those pools, disrupt cooling systems etc…..
    Ot has Tepco given up on those projects. Is the steam corium releases so
    deathly there now that no workers are seen working anymore?

    I am going to look into a hair analysis to see what I have picked up here in CA.
    near the coast.

    • Homo Insapiens Homo Insapiens

      @Sam, today represents the third consecutive week with no weekly-Monday update on the number of assemblies removed. It remains at 132, the same as on December 24th, 2013. http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/removal4u/index-e.html

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      They are onto the next psyop….

      I wonder if they are leaking all these stories now to divert attention from something else, or if there are just too many people who are in the know and they can't hide the truth any longer.

      Either way, I do not trust any government or corporation to tell us the truth unless it is beneficial to them in some way.

      Reading my post makes me realize I have turned very cynical through this experience. 🙁

    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      Sam – Well there's a new fucking secrecy law so you just might not see any news on it. Perfect example of why the law was passed.

    • artika rama

      sam There is no way any human being can go even near unit 3 . No way they can build those cranes to remove any fuel from th fuel pool . Even machines capable of working under those cicumstances are yet to be created , never mind human beings. In short NOTHING IS BEING DONE ,,

      • Mark Wonclunker

        "There is no way any human being can go even near unit 3"

        Sorry, but this simply is not true. Tepcrap has been building a "building around the building" at unit 3 for months, so that a gantry can span it and be used for further work at the sfp. The workers inevitably are working within centimetres of the walls. [Admittedly, they probably sicken soon after, or get fired, or both.] But they do work there.

        There are pictures of the part-construction available. Sorry I don't store links, but there are plenty of expert researchers here who can find them with a few clicks, I'm sure.

        • KiloCharley KiloCharley

          Mark Wonclunker, Interesting, I have heard many times the "too hot to approach" regarding U3, and yet I have seen workers on the top of U3 on Tepco live cam within the last 4 months. Been some time ago though. As for the "building around a building", are we still referring to #3? I don't see it.

        • artika rama

          Mark woncluker It is misleiding . Those "so called buildings "are no where near capable of lifting heavy weight of the fuel rods in the cask. you should check the videos on youtube about fuel rod removal you need heavy cranes , strong structures . Check out photos of unit 4 being built . Excavatros sitting on top of spent fuel pool pouring concrete etc .
          That s not happening , its not possible by unit 3 . You need workers IN THE BUILDINGS ,, to pour concrete to build support structures to carry the heavy cranes to lift the fuel rods. Thats not possible at unit 3 .
          All they are doing is , they prepared prefabricated kevlar wrapping strectehd on metal frames , and they are just dropping them in place by using those huge cranes and people are just fixing them in place. those structures are AROUND unit 3 , not ON it . Its like a thin sheet of cloth just to cover the view. No REAL construction is possible because of deadly radiation levels .
          I dont know if i could explain it . If not , let me know , so i could try to find some pictures to give better info.
          PS When referring to my threads / messages you better put my name in the beginning of your sentence . Otherwise its very hard for me to check who is responding to which threads.
          Take care 🙂

          • Mark Wonclunker

            artika rama: I don't agree.
            1. even if the circumstances are as you say, the workers are still working right by the radioactive walls, which contradicts your earlier statement.
            2. There is a steel structure being constructed all around the Unit 3 building. It might be covered by cloth, or it might be light steel cladding, or it might be fibreglass. It doesn't matter. It covers up the destroyed building and is good PR for Tepcrap.
            3. The purpose of the steel frame building is to support a gantry crane that will span the building. It will be used to get rods/debris/melted-down rodcorium etc, from the sfp. Tepcrap have already declared their plan for this.
            4. Have you looked at the artist's impression of the completed building in my post above? Tell me how they are going to complete the structure without going near it?

            • artika rama

              Mark Woncluker That plan is built like a huge tent AROUND the building . People just drop those structures with those huge cranes and they just fasten a few bolts and its done . WHole different story of going on that site and pouring concrete and spending hours / days to buil the structures . Its too deadly .
              2; Good publicity , sure .
              3; Dont believe that , they cant buil no crane to remove fuel rods on that span . But thats why the kevlar curtains are in place for , so they will SAY they are removing fuel rods but what people will see is that finished kevlar curtain . You wont be able to see whats inside.
              Nice computer models , but not possible in actual life situation . But lest just wait and see .
              4 Tepcrap 🙂 is it really the name of the company 🙂 ?? anyway , artists impression is one thing building it is another . I will only believe it if i see the fuel crane hanging on top of that building , and i bet you wont see it . They will claim they did it but all you will see will be that kevlar tent IMO , but i hope they surprise me 🙂

              • Mark Wonclunker

                Artika rama:
                Ah well, we shall just have to agree to differ then.

              • artika rama

                mark wonlucker I hope you are right and i hope they really can do the construction . I am just afraid that they will show us some tent from outside , claim they ve built the crane inside and claim PROGRESS is made ,and that they are removing the fuel rods . I just dont believe TEPCO and i am very sceptical about anything they say .

                That construction , on the photo is more like a scaffolding , definitely not strong enough to carry a fuel crane IMO (we are talking hundres of tons )
                They will need a lot of suicide workers / technicians to build a structure and to operate the cranes . I dont think human beings are capable of standing that kind of radiation for long .
                But , time will tell , lets just wait and see if they can provide any proof of it except from some shots from OUTSIDE the tent .
                I hope you are right 🙂

    • socref

      no news is good news

      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        SOCREF, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong???

        Answer my question here or give me the link.

  • bo bo

    Does anybody know where the USS Ronald Reagan is docked right now ?
    I remember someone here saying how steel sucks up radiation like a sponge.
    I can't imagine they were ever able to decontaminate that huge chunk of steel to any acceptable level.

    • bo bo

      If anybody in the navy intetested in this is reading this and ever had to be on this 'decontaminated' ship (though I hope that fate upon nobody), take a geiger with you, and make sure to make a video of it for your fellow sailors.

    • artika rama

      bo I am not from US and i am not following the story about USS r Reagon but if there are people still working on that ship i think they should be warned about it . I dont believe washing the flight deck with some soap would do it .

    • Colinjames

      I haven't heard that one but I know there was a navy ship which was used to dump barrels of radioactive waste that itself had to be sunk because it was so radioactive, but that was after many years (decades i think) of such service. This was off the coast of New Jersey i believe, both the dumping and its eventual sinking. I'm gonna research the steel + radioactiviyy issue if i have time today, I'll get back to you if I do. Might be difficult to ascertain the location of the Reagan, I suppose any info might be limited to the region of operation unless it's currently docked in the US. But that's just guessing. Be nice to know where it is to keep a distance from it though.

    • Ana Ana

      @ Bo
      The USS Ronald Reagan is now docked in San Diego California. This is a link describing the 14 months of work it needed in dock in Bremmerton Washington after it got irradiated. Now it is in San Diego but will not be deployed due to "budget difficulties". Hah. Budget my back end – they can't use it because it glows in the dark. So now it is irradiating my home town. My grandfather used to run the ferry to Coronado before the bridge got built.
      Ana in Sacramento

      http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2013/mar/18/uss-ronald-reagan-wraps-up-shipyard-work-heads/#axzz2pOn3KIuj

  • James Tekton James Tekton

    One has to admire such spunk and passion to speak ones truth.

    Just like these sailors are. The sad truth is, they have been obfuscated and shut down by the same govt that collects trillions in the new commiecare taxes to give to the military industrial warmonger complex in israel to defend America AND HER SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN, but actually DO NOTHING TO DEFEND AMERICANS, THE SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN, OR THE COUNTRY. WHY???

    Rant on, brother of the world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbhBGVDIltQ#t=30

    .

    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      believe me, James Tekton, the only reason they're still collecting taxes from the workers, is to lend legitimacy to the illusion of their fiat-based 'economy'…

  • Stupidbutnotbumb

    If you need more evidence of the elitist military scum that run this country I don't know what else you need.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Seeme to me a good portion of the US 7th Fleet…were exposed to some degree.

    US Navy 7th Fleet Update from Japan
    March 17 2011

    "The USS Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group to include the cruiser USS Chancellorsville (CG 62), the destroyer USS Preble (DDG 88), and the combat support ship USNS Bridge (T-AOE 10) along with the guided-missile destroyers USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62), USS John S. McCain (DDG 56), USS McCampbell (DDG 85), USS Mustin (89) and USS Curtis Wilbur (DDG 54) continue Humanitarian Aid and Disaster Relief operations off the east coast of Iwate Prefecture."

    http://gcaptain.com/navy-fleet-update-japan/

    • Ana Ana

      Don't you just wonder how much the 7th fleet cost us taxpayers? I think the bill for a carrier alone is over 1 billion not to mention the aircraft that fly off them. And those ships are either useless due to radioactivity or will be used in spite of being useless due to radioactivity thus causing the death of all who sail on them. Talk about ships of fools, ghost ships and so forth. Time for some references to Melville here.
      Ana in Sacramento

  • danger kitty danger kitty

    @ bo, I think the Reagan. is homeported and currently docked in San Diego

  • dka

    There is a need for medical tools capable to locate and extract the ingested radioactive isotopes.
    I wish I would be rich to develop them.

    • artika rama

      dka There are some "stuff"for capturing some of the isotopes (eg chelating agents etc ) but their use is very limited . Detecting them is difficult becasue the radiation from an isotope in your body has to go through a lot of tissue (cells ) before it comes out to be detectable and usually they dont , ,, in other words , there are too many cells in between the radioactive isotope and the detector . SO not so easy to detect.

    • socref

      radioisotopes pass through the body. Its a chemical reaction. Ive had the Tc99m procedure.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        If plutonium is breathed in, it does not pass out of the body. There is a difference between alpha, beta, and gamma particles. What school did you go to?

        • artika rama

          anne Not just plutonium but many different types of it will be taken up by our cells because they have similar molecular structures with minerals . example strontium and caesium being mistyaken for calcium and potassium will be taken up by muscles ( heart muscle as well ) bones teeth etc And will radiate bone marrow causing leukemias etc.
          There are even studies about the radioactvivity by measuring strontium in childrens teeth , its EVEN used as a method to measure the contamination , iodiune tablets are used to replace / prevent radioactive iodine which would be taken up by thyroid ,, should i go on ?
          socref just makes up stuff , he has no idea what he is talking about most of the time , but willl refuse to learn anything either . Its a waste of time talking / discussing with him , so i gave up on it.

      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        Mr. Blackwell, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong????

        Richard Blackwell
        3939 Lavista Rd. #E-114
        Atlanta, GA 30084
        Phone: 7703145458
        linked2software.com

      • artika rama

        socref If you are replying to my tyhreads you should put my name or at least AR on the beginning of your message . I am on the other side of the planet in comparison to you and when i cant be here usually when you are and its very difficutl for me to go throguh all the threads next day to find out who reponded to my messages . Thanks

      • usagi usagi

        Not all isotopes pass through the body. Depending on the chemical nature of the isotope, the body may absorb it into the bone/marrow (Sr-90/Pu-239), thyroid (I-129/131), muscle tissue (Cs-134/137), or other organs. These bioaccumulations will remain for significant periods of time, continuing to bombard cells in the area around them with radiation.

    • artika rama

      dka They DONT pass through your body , dont believe socref. He is lying again . The iodine tablets are to PROTECT your body against radioactive iodine because it DOES NOT pass through your body . it gets taken up by your thyroid and kills your thyroid gland causing cancer , and all sorts of problems . The proof is all those kids in japan having thryroid problems because radioactive iodine DID NOT PASS through their body .

  • bo bo

    If anybody recalls the tragic tweets of a track and field high school student who fell sick with leukemia, featured on fukushima diary.. here is the update on that. This student was part if the group if students that were made to decontanimate a swimming pool ladt year.

    Naaaa, it's probably all just psychosomatic, radiophobia tinfoil hat crazy talk!

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2014/01/high-schooler-leukemia%e2%86%92school-had-students-clean-the-swimming-pool-last-summer/

    • bo bo

      Arrrrgh typo – part of the group, last year

    • artika rama

      bo Psychosomatic cancer is a first in medicine , 🙂
      Psychosomatic disease is like a an ulcer (somatic) caused by stress(pycho-logical) nothing to do with cancer s , its just bulls..t . You know it , i know it ,, and i think everyone else here knows it by now ,that there is no sense in discussing anything with him , cause he will only PRODUCE more lies :)and make his own scientific theories , like psychosomatic cancer lol :)He seems like a smart guy , but its a pity he lacks some other rather important characteristics,

    • J.

      I think this tweet and others suggests that the secrecy law cannot suppress the truth about the consequences of the triple melt-through. Internet communication will make suppression of information very difficult, even if corporate media refuse to publish "anecdotal evidence."

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    They could get
    http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/forum/218/cesium-measured-doctors-data-standard-metals-tests.2012-04-26
    Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 2012-04-26 19:11

    Berkeley Radiological Air and Water Monitoring Forum
    Statement
    "Several months ago I did a urine challenge with Doctor's Data using EDTA and DMSA. Apparently prior to Fuku patients were not seeing Cesium show up like this. I've largely avoided dairy from California but eat a ton of local eggs and leafy greens."

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Sorry; I hit send before I completed the post .

      There is a standard urine test for metals. I found the above by accident searching for tests to detect heavy metals on the berkely site, maybe if one of the soldiers get get a dr. to order one for them to see where their cesium levels are….at least they would have that information.

  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    I actually recognize this persons blogging style. It reminds me of a 'guy' that blogged on Market Watch about 4 years ago. He would log on and contradict everyone else's posts, tie up the damned thread and piss everyone else off. Fucking ass hole. But he was ignored and left.

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    'Our' gov't blacked out the 80 day carrier Reagan Fuku relief mission so to minimize public awareness of the massive nuclear contamination, and also blacked out informing the sailors and pilots, so as to suppress subsequent 1st hand accounts, of the deadly exposure they would encounter during the mission, but listen to the gruesome story, and some amazing details of our military non-response, in the startling interview of senior Chief (Helicopter Squadron) Mechanic MIKE SEEBURN, by 'RadChick' CRISTINA CONSOLO.

    At 16:00 into the audio, try and wrap your head around helo mechanics wearing only gloves removing and attempting to 'decontaminate' a radiator measuring 60,000 CPM.

    Yes, there are already many sick military people, more to emerge every month, and let's see the pro-nuke fascist gov't-military-corporate-educational partisans try and cover it up:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcwl0NyvspQ

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cristina+consolo&sm=3

  • Tedd Tedd

    The military trolls should arrive in about five.

  • It is so very heartening to see soldiers spill forth. Now is the time to give them our support. Citizen petitions in the sailors’ favor and to end nuke power are circulating worldwide.
    Some here

    http://www.nukefree.org/act
    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/the-world-community-must
    http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?&itemid=14471 http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=8598

    For those who want to anonymously tell the neighborhood

    Japan Radiation Memo to All Citizens PDF
    http://tinyurl.com/Japan-Radiation-Citizens-Memo

    Japan Radiation Memo in JPEG (for social media upload)
    http://tinyurl.com/Japan-Radiation-Memo-JPEG

    Vital1's Radiation Memo to Parents
    http://technologypals.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/lifesaver.pdf

    Doesn't take much. A printer. Scissors. Thumbtacks. For some,
    only a computer. A click. And motivation to sign &/or share.

    Thanks so much to everyone making a difference out there

  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    The lasted post by http://www.hatrickpenry.blogspot.com shows just how much over a cover up the Top people knew, the IAEA wanted to give China the NRC's data but then the States would finds out & they could let that happen, even the NY Times put their 2 cents worth in if I read the NRC's own words, you know how they talk in codes as they addmit in the NRC's FOIA reports.

    I knew there would more sailors sick from radiation the way the 7th was run around in those olumes for such a long time, DC should have got them out there fast, but those at the top were getting orders from very powerfull sick psople, minds of pure evil!

  • Mark Wonclunker

    56 comments in this thread so far. 6 are about "socref" and he hasn't even posted!

    See the power of the troll. He can fuck up the thread without being present.

    • socref

      I was out bowling. You think I am here 24/7?

      I have a life.

      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        @socref: it's my understanding you're well connected to the nuclear technologies industry; that you have long-term experience and many professional associations with others in that industry. If so, I'm hoping you'd be free to explore a question that concerns me and many others right now: is there a behind-the-scenes effort to put together an international team to respond to Fukushima? If you're privy to such insider 'chatter', without jeopardizing your professional standing, can you put answer to this question. As Fukushima's obviously become a major public relations fiasco to the nuclear technologies industry, in light of TEPCO's malfeasance, it would seem a perfectly rational step on the part of the scientific community, to cobble together their best and brightest, in hopes of getting a handle on the boiling pot. Any insights into a planned response (again, without putting yourself at risk) would be well received…

        • socref

          WHat does that matter? Im not paid to post.

          If you were anti-air travel and I was Captain Sully, what does it matter?

          Im not a Tepco apologist.

          Fukushima actually will have a silver lining for the future nuclear technology. Out of the ashes nuclear technology will emerge stronger, more robust.

          Tepco doesnt control the fate of nuclear technology.

          So the question really doesnt merit anything. Let TEPCO stand on their own terms and let nuclear technology evolve so that modern man can be served with Carbon free electricity.

          • Wow the sophistication of the argument sure has plummeted.

            The last post doesn't even address the comment.

            Sock puppet for sure.

          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            it was a simple question socref. It's apparent by your response (or lack thereof), you're not privy to such matters. I'm also detecting a major shift in your attitude. You didn't actually deceive yourself into thinking you'd come out here and browbeat others into subservience. I credit your 'intelligence' with a legitimate question and you get overly defensive. I'm surprised by the petulant response, on your part…

            • socref

              Im not here to browbeat people. I have a point of view that is different than the majority, so I have to be cautious. Now I answered your question. Tepco isnt driving the nuclear technology issue.

              What makes you think they dont have a handle on this already? No news is good news so they say.

              People here think Fukushima is an ELE and that is wrong think in my opinion.

              • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                actually socref, I've witnessed a series of your statements, where you defend your position with claims of academic and professional credibility. I'd could easily perceive such acclimation as coming from a brow-beater. Having long witnessed the degeneracy of modern society at the hands of so many 'credible' professionals, such association holds tenuous value to my eye. Of course, there's always the possibility, everything's fine by you and in no need for improvement.

                Your statement that things may – in fact – be under control; that "…no news is good news…" is quite entertaining! You'd be taken far-more seriously, if you avoided such puerile statements.

                I'm with you on avoiding conclusions that Fukushima's an Extinction Level Event. Obviously, none of us can make such prediction without adequate information. Unfortunately, those of us who've been following this 'event' since it's inception, cannot be blamed for our worse case scenarios. We have limited access to industry information and there's a concerted effort by certain parties to downplay the significance of this 'event'…

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                Mr. Blackwell, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?

              • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                "What makes you think they dont have a handle on this already? No news is good news so they say."

                ——–

                Censor away …

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            It seems obvious to me that not only is the nuclear industry desperate to keep on building nuclear reactors, they are also desperate to not pay out any compensation to all the victims of their technology and accidents, and there is obviously much worse to come in the future from Fukushima. I think that they are on vacation now because there is a new criticality in unit #4, and there is so much radiation there as a result that no one can work there anymore. I am also afraid that they are going to blow up everything, either on purpose or as an accident, so no one will ever see the evidence of their bomb making activities at Fukushima and their failed experiment to use fast breeder rods in Unit #4 and MOX fuel rods with 20% or more plutonium.

            Everything is now so contaminated in Japan and the Pacific that the US really needs to stop all exports from Japan. Other countries are protecting their citizens better than the US government is protecting its citizens by denying imports from Japan.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              “It is true that about 70 percent of Japan’s territory is polluted,” said Kim Ik-joong, microbiology professor at Dongguk University. “According to PNAS, a scientific journal published by Japanese scholars, about 20 percent of Japanese land, including Tokyo, is contaminated with highly toxic radiation. It is obvious that agricultural products are also contaminated as the land is polluted with radioactive materials.

              China, Taiwan, Russia, Hong Kong, the U.S. and the EU immediately took actions such as banning imports of food from Japan after the disaster and conducting radiation tests.

              Korea had banned 26 agricultural products from 13 prefectures

              Japanese testing for radioactive cesium revealed contamination in sixteen of 22 species of fish exported to Canada. Radioactive cesium was found in 73 percent of the mackerel tested, 91 percent of the halibut, 92 percent of the sardines, 93 percent of the tuna and eel, 94 percent of the cod and anchovies, and 100 percent of the carp, seaweed, shark, and monkfish. These tests were conducted in November and indicate that the radioactivity is spreading, because tuna, for example, is caught at least 900 kilometers (560 miles) off shore.

              At its peak concentration, cesium-137 levels from Fukushima were 50 million times greater than levels measured before the accident, according to research by Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

        • You get nothing of value from a troll, well except a playbook of lies to debunk and show to rational people. We already have that playbook.

          the more you call them to the table on lies, the more they deflect to simple false arguments.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            They are just making advertising sound bites to further the deception and lies.

          • socref

            I saw nothing of value from your "donate to me" nuke pro site. If you really want to do a service to your constituency, link to established sources with reliable data, not Rense, FD, Fairewinds etc. All these "nuclear advocacy groups" have an agenda, as do you.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              socref, are you now calling anti-nuclear activists nuclear advocacy groups? I am referring to your statement "not Rense, FD, Fairewinds etc. All these 'nuclear advocacy groups. have an agenda…"

              Those trying to shut down all nuclear power forever are not nuclear advocates.

              I would agree that those who advocate nuclear power, such as yourself, do have an agenda. But it is not an agenda that promotes life.

              • socref

                Fairewinds on their site calls these groups "nuclear safety advocacy". So you have to go to the Fairewinds site to see for your self.

                By that token, Fairewinds lists NIRS as "nuclear safety advocacy"

                Is NIRS dedicated to shutting down nuclear power or on making nuclear power safe?

                I would accept the latter.

                Thanks

            • Anthony Anthony

              And here you are, endlessly whining about someones blog when you could and should be focusing your self proclaimed expertise where it could be useful, if you are all that as you say you are, at Fuku or anywhere on the planet installing preventive actions to prevent future Fukus from occurring. Yes one long sentence, get over it. Your industry would be fired for incompetence in any other industry. If you did your thing better without all the ridiculous attitude we wouldn't even have the need for this blog.

            • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

              "..I saw nothing of value from your "donate to me" nuke pro site.."

              I prefer a "donate if you like" button above a "fund my psycho crap i kill you're children with" gunpoint reinforced "taxbutton" from inbred "high society" clan's and their pet industry's..

        • socref

          The US has a presence in Fukushima. Its not being reported in the MSM. The DOE and NRC have contractors working on issues such as criticality safety and radiological protection.

          • Jebus Jebus

            If I had to put together a team, "of experts", for a very important task, (to save the planet), I would want a group of individuals with open minds, who cooperate together to solve the task. I would want proven professionals in their fields. I would want above board people. The cream of the crop. I would leave behind the "god like" personalities, wanna be's, and the assholes. I didn't get the call. I suspect that why socref didn't get the call either…

          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            we're aware of their 'presence', socref. The question was to any behind-the-scenes chatter. As the 'hierarchy' is vast and wide, I'd understand if you were not – personally – being included in such 'arcana'. I was only hoping, you had some 'white' information, which could be safely disclosed within this monitored environment.

            Assuming (and you know what makes of either of us) you could put your 'reassuring' politics aside for a moment and accept what many perceive as being a major catastrophe, my question bears on the how the scientific community would respond to said threat condition(s). From my reading of your posts, my objective (for as much as any of us can be) take is you are very knowledgeable of nuclear technologies. And while I'd have to distance myself from your vested conclusions, I must remain objective and inquire into what solutions you'd offer. Of course, you seem generally complacent in-that there's any threat, whatsoever.

            Unfortunately for all of us here (which does hint to your failed efforts out here), your readership's simply left with a total lack of confidence in anything they're being told! And while I'm in no way ideologically threatened by your knowledge and points, your incessant complacency over Fukushima can only be seen as coming from one who has something to lose, should they acknowledge any inherent weakness within the realm of nuclear technologies…

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            we have posted many times that the DOE was involved in the Fukushima nuclear disaster from the beginning. Its open information

      • retali8 retali8

        bowling? see how socref makes it out to be like he is a normal person and n ot a shill, sorry hes not the average everyday person, he is a wannabe professional paid nuclear entity.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Aftershock, It's obvious he is not connected to anything at the moment and his Nuclear Technology promotion is not the solution to carbon free energy in the future my friend.

    socref, have you had time to see what those pictures represent for our world in the future?

    There will be no silver lining at/from Fukushima, but there will be massive amounts of cancer deaths soon.. 🙁

    You are currently backing the wrong horse….

    • socref

      There is no evidence there will be massive cancer deaths.

      To believe so, would be tantamount to a Feynman Trap

      http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.167.5072&rep=rep1&type=pdf

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        This article was written in 1991. It does not speak to the catastrophe of Fukushima which is 85 times worse than Chernobyl when considering radioactive cesium, and 1000s times worse than Chernobyl when considering plutonium.

        Although Chernobyl is leaking radiation into nearby rivers, Fukushima is so much worse because it can't be contained in any way because of its location by the ocean and because of its geology which was never adequate for a nuclear power plant anyway, but then the earthquake and subsequent quakes has dropped the buildings by 5 or more feet and the whole island shifted 8 feet.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          I have heard of one of the authors, Richard Wilson. I think I debated him in a class I took, but my memory might be faulty. If I remember correctly he was as close minded as you are. I apologize to him if I've mixed him up with someone else or someone else with the same name.

          This article from 1991 doesn't even take in all the 5000 studies and papers written after Chernobyl.

          I did see something about the background radiation in China. Since then there have been studies of that region that show a high rate of mongolism in children born to young women in that region. I will look in my book on the Art of Deception by Zimmermann to quote how the nuclear industry uses deceptive measures in their studies of the effects of radiation.

          • KiloCharley KiloCharley

            anne & socref, This type of debate should be encouraged, Well done to both! We may all learn from both of you, if it is allowed to continue. Respect for both. I'm personally sick of shill/troll shit. We could all learn from both of you! Did I say 'Both' enough?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The incredible ..Mike Farris.

    Mike Farris "Mercy Now"
    May 30 2011

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt8wiGInALs

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Over here..KiloCharley..Can you 'slow dance'?

  • Socrates

    I debated trolls at HuffPo for two years about how great things were at Fukushima. No melts argument, then cold shutdown argument, the just like eating a banana argument, then the radiation homesis is argument, then the the the low doses don't hurt you argument…

    One troll always analogies himself as Captain Sulzberger, skillfully landing on the Hudson, saving all on board, etc.

    These are troll transplants. I even know who they are. They get troll pay – per – post nuclear Brownie points. The NRC busted a few for posting while operating a reactor while blogging!

    • socref

      I know you might fancy yourself a debater, but in reality, many of us knew about meltdowns at the onset. Cold Shutdown is an industry term, and specific to temperatures less than 100 degrees C. So its only a point of fact to meet the requirement, sort of like a base runner being safe or out. It is only one thing, is it above 100 deg or below 100 deg. Your LNT basics are misapplied.

      Im not being paid for posting. Im watching a replay of Denver and New England on NFL Channel right now.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        socref, Is what you call an argument.

        First, you start with an ad hominem attack. However, cold shutdown refers to reactor fuel still in the primary containment, which doesn't apply to any of reactors #1-4.

        Second, the appeal to your own authority is a joke and has nothing to do with the issues: "Im not being paid for posting. Im watching a replay of Denver and New England on NFL Channel right now."

        • Loveistheonlyrationalact Loveistheonlyrationalact

          Fun game Anne 🙂

        • socref

          I didnt start with an adhominem attack. I started with a fact. Cold shutdown (mode 5) refers to any condition where the core temperature was below 100 deg C.

          You dont know if fuel is still in the primary containment. There is a high probability its still there.

          Im not appealing to my own authority. Im drawing from a vast experience base to make a judgement.

          Im not being paid to post. Im posting while doing many parallel tasks.

          Now I have to take the dog out because she is passing a bad gas that is more toxic than any Fukushima radiation. Whew!

          • KiloCharley KiloCharley

            Chasing buckyballs no doubt…

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            socref, "I know you might fancy yourself a debater,…" What do you call this?

            Even TEPCO has admitted that the fuel is no longer in the primary containment.

            • socref

              Elvis has not left the building.

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                You did not answer the question.
                SOCREF, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?

                Answer my question here or give me the link to the answer.

          • Sam Sam

            my dog too was passing bad gas. though it was indigestion.
            bought some probiotics. took the dog to the vet. told me
            that smelly gas indicates internal problems. sure enough the
            dog had a tumor and surgery removed it. Do take care of
            your dog. He should mean more to you than spending time
            here. He needs your care now. Take your dog to the Vet
            tomorrow.

      • Jebus Jebus

        Fukushima Reactor Temperature Surpasses 752 Degrees … More Than 4 Times Maximum for “Cold Shutdown”
        Posted on February 13, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog

        Pretending that the Fukushima reactors achieved a state of “cold shutdown” was a political – rather than scientific – decision.

        Tepco itself said the state of cold shutdown could only continue so long as the temperature within the nuclear reactors stayed below 100 degrees Celsius. (Because the thermometers within the reactors have a 20 degree margin of error, Tepco says that any reading over 80 degrees violates the conditions for a cold shutdown.)

        http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/02/fukushima-reactor-temperature-surpasses-752-degrees-more-than-4-times-maximum-for-cold-shutdown.html

        • socref

          You cite a blog site as a reference for this? Priceless.

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            You did not answer the question.
            SOCREF, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong??

            Answer my question here or give me the link to the answer.

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            You cannot answer simple questions. Unsurprising.

  • razzz razzz

    "…Diagnostic treatment involving technetium-99m will result in radiation exposure to technicians, patients, and passers-by. Typical quantities of technetium administered for immunoscintigraphy tests, such as SPECT tests, range from 400 to 1,100 MBq (11 to 30 mCi) (millicurie or mCi; and Mega-Becquerel or MBq) for adults.[64][65] These doses result in radiation exposures to the patient around 10 mSv (1000 mrem), the equivalent of about 500 chest X-ray exposures.[66] This level of radiation exposure carries a 1 in 1000 lifetime risk of developing a solid cancer or leukemia in the patient.[67] The risk is higher in younger patients, and lower in older ones.[68] Unlike a chest x-ray, the radiation source is inside the patient and will be carried around for a few days, exposing others to second-hand radiation. A spouse who stays constantly by the side of the patient through this time might receive one thousandth of patient's radiation dose this way…"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technetium-99m
    Thanks for sharing.

  • Tedd Tedd

    ProNukers Spread Death and Pestilence – Always

    Connecting the Dots

    … by Bob Nichols

    (San Francisco) So-called “connecting the dots” is hard to do. We all know that radiation is evil deadly nasty stuff. On top of that, it lasts forever.

    The accounts below of many diseases, epidemics and Mass Extinctions come in part from more Radioactive particles contaminating us, the “herd” of 7 Billion Humans all over the world. The world’s fish, plants and animals get sick and croak, too, from the Rads, including your pets. This is a sample for Jan 6, 2014.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01/12/pronukers-spread-death-and-pestilence-always/

    • socref

      The scientific community has weighed in on low low radiation from Fukushima and has informed the world that its not an ELE.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        socref, the issue is not whether it is an ELE or not. The issue is that the release of radionuclides from Fukushima is killing the Pacific Ocean and many millions and billions of people will be effect. With respect to just one actinide, plutonium, Fukushima released 429 lethal doses for each and every inhabitant on the earth.

        The nuclear industry must be shut down to keep the world from suffering from another nuclear accident.

        The human genome is now damaged for many people in the world and for all the generations to come after these people whose genome has been irreparably damaged. The amount of radiation is astronomical and this is the scientific consensus.

        • socref

          I disagree with your assessment. Billions of people will not be adversly affected. The scientific community (peer reviewed) has spoken.

          The detractors like Busby and Wing will surely get their squawk time and fundamentalist antinukes are sure to lap it up as a thirsty dog to its water bowl.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            socref, you have to cite sources if you want anyone to pay attention to your claims.

            This is an ad hominem attack: "fundamentalist antinukes lap it up as a thirsty dog to its water bowl."

            What you fail to recognize is that anti-nukers take their position because there are many scientific and economic reasons for their anti-Nuke stance.

            Pro-nukers are pro-nuke for all the wrong reasons. All you do is attack people. You never state why you think the world should make such horrendous sacrifices for the sake of nuclear power. There are no rational reasons to be in favor of nuclear power.

            • socref

              Its not an adhominem attack if its true.

              My sources are in text books. You want internet links over text books?

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                Mr. Blackwell, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong??

                • socref

                  Is that all you can do, cut and paste?

                  • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                    You did not answer the question.
                    SOCREF, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong???

                    Answer my question here or give me the link to the answer.

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                Mr. Blackwell, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong????

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                socref, you need to look up the definition of ad hominem argument in wikipedia. An ad hominem argument is a specious argument because it has nothing to do with the issues.

                • socref

                  All of my comments have to do with the issues. Sometimes the issue is how fundamentalist antinukes twist the facts.

                  • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                    If you want me to stop, answer this question.

                    SOCREF, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?

                    Answer my question here or give me the link to the answer.

        • socref

          There was no plutonium found in the plume, as established by spectrographic analysis of the radionuclide spectrum.

    • socref

      Im not here to pry you away from partisan fundamentalist antinuclear beliefs. Im only here to pose a different point of view from those whose minds are closed.

      • eatliesndie eatliesndie

        I am learning a lot from the conversation you are inspiring.

      • eatliesndie eatliesndie

        You seem to be blerting out all the nuke lovers favourite lies and I am getting the debunking spelled out loud and clearly by these excellent people here at enenews.com
        Thanks!

        • socref

          Like what lies? I would like to know since I am just putting out known scientific facts and not the fundamentalist antinuclear propaganda.

          You want debunking?

          Was Fukushima 3 a prompt criticality as many here think?

          Was there uranium in the plume as many here think?

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            SOCREF, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?

            Please answer the question or give me the link to where you supposedly did. Not to much to ask is it? I said please.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        socref does more to support anti nuke information and sentiment than most anti nuke posters. Repeat; socref half truths, lies, stonewalling and blithe pompous attitude create an anti nuclear result. We have yet to see ONE point swayed toward nuclear

        • KiloCharley KiloCharley

          CodeShutdown, said "—- does more to support anti nuke information and sentiment than most anti nuke posters." This is exactly why the other side of the coin, so to speak, needs to be allowed here! It is so ridiculous, no, murderous. Let the murderer speak, his mouth is full of his own foot. And when the shtf, his own relatives will hang him by his bucky balls.

        • socref

          You only think they are half truths and lies because your information source is imperfect

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            Mr. Blackwell, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?!

            • KiloCharley KiloCharley

              Sykewar, 19 tries later…(or something). lol isn't it clear he is avoiding your question? Your time is better spent…….

              • KiloCharley KiloCharley

                …doing anything!

              • socref

                I already answered his question .

                Dont you get what he is doing?

                • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                  Ya I'm asking a simple question and not getting any answer. Not even a link to the supposed answer he gave me.
                  SOCREF, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?

                  Please answer the question or give me the link to where you supposedly did. Not to much to ask is it? I said please.

                  • KiloCharley KiloCharley

                    And why the fuck do you thin k you deserve an answer you whiny little fuck? Because you think you can demand it? Nice try, try that with the fucking government you think you elected.

                    • KiloCharley KiloCharley

                      My apologies to the people that think their government actualy gives a fuck about you, or your children. But please protect your kids from hearing the word FUCK. We don't want to frighten them. How about Fuku-Fukin-shima? Amyone?— no..

                    • amberlight amberlight

                      Kilo Charley, is it possible to express your "views" without the continual use of expletives? I hate to see this informative board turn into a shouting match for potty-mouths and trolls.

                    • KiloCharley KiloCharley

                      amberlight, I doubt it! Let's see, our fucking atmosphere has been contaminated with MOX fucking fuel, the ocean is polluted and continues to be polluted with the nastiested shit ever conceived. The fucking cartel in charge will lie and tell you it's safe for your children to walk to school in the fucking fallout! Oh and all of our food is fucking contaminated! Teach your children these "explicitives"…

            • socref

              repetetive comment – violation of Rule #3. Reported

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            Richard Blackwell
            3939 Lavista Rd. #E-114
            Atlanta, GA 30084
            Phone: 7703145458
            linked2software.com

            • socref

              Do you think Mr. Blackwell minds you invading his privacy?

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                Public information. I invade nobody's privacy.

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                If you want me to stop, answer this question.

                SOCREF, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?!?!

                Answer my question here or give me the link to the answer.

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                You are wiser than everyone else here. I seek your wisdom.
                If you want me to stop, answer this question.

                SOCREF, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?

                Answer my question here or give me the link to the answer.

              • Sam Sam

                Socref; Take your dog to the Vet. Smelly gas indicates
                an internal problem. Mine has smelly gas and vet
                found a tumor. Go tomorrow!

                • socref

                  I took her out and she did her business. Thanks

                  • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                    SOCREF, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?

                    Please answer the question or give me the link to where you supposedly did. Not to much to ask is it? I said please. Pretty please.

                  • Sam Sam

                    Go spend the $40 or so for check up. so you think the smelly
                    gas is from the stool ready to be expelled. Are you so sure?.
                    I really care about Dogs. If you apply scientific reasoning
                    go find the causes of smelly gas.

            • socref

              Does Mr Blackwell know you are posting his information without his permission? Do you realize what you are doing?

        • Anthony Anthony

          What he-they is doing is wrong on every level.

          • socref

            Yeah coming onto a homogenous blog site and interjecting a little difference of opinion never hurt anyone.

            People here think this site is for their own views?

            They are intolerant of other voices, calling people shill and troll.

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            Don't you think it strange he won't answer a simple question? But he won't. He denigrates people here, bullies them, etc. He even admitted on here he beat up hippies in school. I for one am tired of it. I reported him long ago but unfortunately the admin. doesn't appear to care. If he plays nice then I'll let my question go. Sure would have liked an answer tho'.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              He doesn't have any answers. There are no answers in favor of nuclear energy. All he can do is sail on totally self-centered with his head in the sand. He's had some serious testing for his heart, which of course we know is caused by too much exposure to radiation. One of the steps of grief is denial. When I had cancer I was in denial for a whole year and refused to go to the doctor. I finally went when I had bronchitis, and had to admit to my allergist what was going on when he saw my very large tumor.

              socref is really to be pitied because everything he has believed in is now betraying him. When your body betrays you and you get cancer or something else awful, it is very sad.

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                And he talks about himself in the third person. How creepy is that?

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                socref actually believes the propaganda of the Japanese government that you won't get cancer if you smile and are happy. He actually believes that hormesis propaganda. That testing he got will probably kill him. I refuse all that testing. I turned down a cat scan when some kid swung a lacross stick like a baseball bat and fractured my skull. I would have rather died than to get cancer again.

                I think he is just one person. I think he is trying to be happy and to keep up his spirits. Well, we all cope in our own way. You know what they say, pride goeth before a fall.

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            Sorry for this display. Like I said, he's been a flame-baiter for a long time. Disagreeing is one thing. But when he starts to denigrate, demean, and inflame people, that's when I say enough. He won't answer a direct question if it puts him in a defensive position. With most everyone giving it right back to him, why would someone want to be on a site where he's not welcome? I wouldn't. But here he is. He's good at playing mind games. I just don't like how he treats people.

            • Sam Sam

              as long as the administration allows Socref and others to flame bait
              denigrate, demean and keep telling lies then it is fair game to go after
              them as you have done. you succeeded. don't be sorry for the display.
              Anne is right on with her assessment of socref–he has heart problems
              from radiation exposure but is in denial and defending nuclear tooth
              and nail as he cannot accept the reality that nuclear is killing him.
              It is very sad.

              I do hope he takes care of his dog.

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                All his talk about kids, dog, health he's revealing little by little. Contrast this to earlier conversations where he's said were baiting him to give out personal info and he's not falling for it. But yet he gives this out willingly? He's hunting for sympathy, maybe from people who are new here so it makes US look like the haters when we verbally retaliate for his vitriol. So, if I were you all, I wouldn't believe a word of it. He's good. But he's not that good. 🙂

                • Sam Sam

                  His dog gets my sympathy period. No matter if our analysis
                  of his problems is right on and we come to understand him
                  better does not mean whatsoever that I approve what he is doing
                  here. Understanding does not beget compassion in this case,heart
                  problems or not. Sorry to sound cold hearted. If I get trashed
                  around by somebody I want nothing to do with them period.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        my three eared icon was created exactly for socref types; there are none so blind as those who will not see. by the way, how do you manage to make a post per minute; do you read anything, or is it just self spouting, or is socref automated?

        Its glaringly obvious socref never answers the difficult questions. Heres a socref automated pro nuke bot test; Only a real person will know the answer;

        in the event of a nuclear meltdown, who is the first to be sacrificed, the nuclear engineers, or the children? I mean if the airlift can only bring so many, etc

  • charlie3

    I had not thought of the other ships that were accompanying the Ronald Reagan…all those other poor sailors on those ships.

  • Tedd Tedd

    A little education for Socref from George Carlin. You ain't in the club Socref.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY

    • KiloCharley KiloCharley

      George was an old ass hippie with his own views. And I love and respect every one of them! 🙂

    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

      Lol! " the American dream. You have to be asleep to believe it." . Ain't that the truth.

    • socref

      I dont want to be in the club. THe club is ignorant.

    • socref

      I saw him in concert in 1978

      • KiloCharley KiloCharley

        did ya "beat him up" after?

        • socref

          no, I clapped and cheered him

          Im going to bed.

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            No no… wait.
            SOCREF, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?

            Please answer the question or give me the link to where you supposedly did. Not to much to ask is it? I said please. Pretty please.

            • Sam Sam

              With all due respect to your question. Socref cannot answer your question
              because to do so would blow him out of the water. German scientists
              have used the scientific method to come to the conclusion that there is no
              safe way to dispose of radioactive waste. they do not want to pollute their
              country any further.They care about their people. It is not because of their antipathy to the Russian that they went anti-nuclear.

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                Thank you for that. Yes, he would do a Linda Blair (exorcist) impression. The Germans are damn smart people. It's really sad he won't acknowledge that.

              • Sam Sam

                It may be deeper than the explanation I just gave. Anne is to be
                commended for her wise insightful comments about the dynamics
                operating in this complex person. The German nuclear scientists
                are wise and humane, they care about their people and their land.
                Socref worshipped the nuclear Gods and now they are betraying
                him with heart problems. So he rages and rages defending that
                which is killing him. To go beyond denial may not be possible for
                him. He would have a breakdown which would be a breakthrough.
                So we all here are subjected to his non-stop posting. He cannot
                stop because to do so would create a vacuum for him and he has
                to rage to keep the truth of life from himself.

          • KiloCharley KiloCharley

            And there's a visual I didn't need..

    • flatsville

      socref is one of the many loyal worker bees.

  • Mark Wonclunker

    Another thread not worth reading.

    Feel the power of S-Bot.

  • Tedd Tedd

    Night Owl entertainment time.

    Justin Hayward: Broken Dream

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdKZ3cYcrlc

  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    someone has deliberately filled this blog with argumentitive nonsense.

  • socret

    really? I'm just here to learn.

  • Wotcha Wotcha

    @socref or socret Have you changed your name now (why?) or is there 2 of you? lol

  • nopresentthreat

    I recently got into a Facebook argument with a radiation safety specialist. One of many points I mentioned were the sailors from the USS Ronald Reagan getting sick. He basically said, that's not scientific. This is what we are up against.

  • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

    Subject: WE WANT JUSTICE FOR FUKUSHIMA'S IRRADIATED FIRST RESPONDERS FROM USS RONALD REAGAN & OTHERS

    Hi,

    Scores of sailors from the USS Ronald Reagan and other US ships who responded with humanitarian aid for victims of the 3/11/2011 earthquake and tsunami were irradiated by Fukushima. They are now suffering radiation-related health effects. We ask that Tokyo Electric Power compensate them, and that the governments of Japan and the United States help in this process.

    That's why I signed a petition to Tokyo Electric Power, the government of Japan, and the government of the United States.

    Will you sign this petition? Click here:

    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/we-want-justice-for-fukushim?source=s.em.cp&r_by=5671280

    Thanks!

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