Marine life soaking up radiation along Fukushima coast, Greenpeace by Greg McNevin, May 26, 2011:
[... T]he situation in the ocean along the Fukushima coast is worse than we originally thought.
The new data shows that some seaweed contamination levels are not only 50 times higher than safety limits – far higher than our initial measurements showed – but also that the contamination is spreading over a wide area, and accumulating in sea life, rather than simply dispersing like the Japanese authorities originally claimed would happen.
Other samples showed lower than expected concentrations of caesium, but much higher levels of iodine than expected, which raises serious concerns that contaminated water is continually leaking from the nuclear plant.
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Unrestricted Import of Japanese seafood?
Any insight?
Thinking of wearing a facemask during my daily 20 mile roadbike rides in CA. Wonder if the authorities whom we no longer respect will declare doing that to be illegal?
Get a NOSH-95 rated Mask, other than a gas mask, there you go, sharpie a funny face on the outside and tell everyone who asks that you have alergies, giggle as you walk away…
In the Coachella Valley (Palm Springs to Indio) the months of March – May are subject to your occasional 40mph-50mph gust desert wind-storms carrying dust all across the valley (50 miles).
That has happened several times since 3/11/2011.
People vacation here from around the world, out on their bikes, even with dust clearly visible against the beautiful blue skies … no mask.
mmm good.
This is very bad, indeed.
But completely expected.
Let’s hope Greenpeace is allowed to continue testing.
I feel that the hope of greenpeace being anything in this nuclear issue will continue to be as they have been-little to nothing.
Actually, Greenpeace is doing excellent, yeoman’s work at providing some objective review and testing data for the world, so that is invaluable now!!
…and they’re doing it with precious little help from Japan! Japan is always hiding the nuclear ball!…
I agree. Their accredited monitoring teams have helped in another way too: It forces some level and situation disclosure.
Independent, accredited testing is crucial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FptmoVcgpqg&feature=player_embedded
You guys I think something is going on… The live cam went from foggy to blank… I didn’t see everything that was going on… You can turn up the volume and hear stuff but the cam Is blank… This happened yesterday too???
Just when did this happen yesterday please?
This just happened. It looked like either alot of smoke or fog. I wont guess. But I took my eye off it for a bit, and came back it was all dead… Ive been trying to find out more for the last two hours… Someone showed me the link…? weird
@tacomagrove I have been lead into this before by you, you fooled me once shame on you, but this is twice now. I CALL YOU OUT AGAIN. Now go post 5-6 responces of jibberash replys and go to bed!
http://www.webcamhopper.com/japan/fukushima.html
dont get me wrong its acting screwie…
its back online now, but man the whole scene seems weird… IDk… They are moving it around right now…
Well again goodnight but shit…
Its down again (flashed the words) a ba Under level?
You need to lay off. You are making yourself look like a bully.
I saw the same thing both yesterday and today…blank cameras.
I’d better clarify who I am talking to. Novamind, don’t demand that someone else act in a manner which you deem acceptable. Tacoma has a right to be herself and is doing an important work of informing the public when others will not.
It’s on now.
Yup, there it is. An hour ago it was totally black just as it was for awhile yesterday.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1505720/pg1#24821100
In The last 34 hours Japan was host, by air currents to a large dose of a massive I-131 plume- all the way to S. Korea. This story is to be expected. This is but a small amount of what they will soon endure.
Could you source that information, please?
Watch this animation…
http://www.zamg.ac.at/pict/wetter/sonderwetter/fuku/20110526_I-131_FUKU.gif
These are simulations with a fictive emission. Nobody knows exactly what and how much is being released, so the simulation is theoretical.
Yes, reference pls
Is time travel possible? Is Time Linear? What is Time! One thing I do know is that this is our “TIME”
Question 1. How did one of the most successful bands in the world “The Killers” write and release a song about the Tiger Woods saga well over a year before the story broke???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBDncB-AGuc
Question 2. How did the biggest band in the world, “U2″ write a song over 20 years ago about Tokyo Electric Co?
“Earthquake 4. Nice and Slow. Useless scenes in old Tokyo. Useless scenes near Tokyo”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrlPoiv8TrU
After the Rain the Sun comes out!!!!
jed…
go away!
u2 the biggest band in the world,tepco one of the biggest electric companies in the world.
they are both shit.
why don’t you take u2 and the killers to japan and get bono and chums to clean up the plutonium.
Hey, I like U2. Sonny Bono has always been one of my faves/snarc
The rain is radioactive… and that glow isn’t the sun rising at midnight…
Go away jed … either read Kant, or write a science fiction novel.
I dunno. How did Tears for Fears know it’s a “Mad World?” How did Dylan know the “Times Are A’Changin?” How did Shakespeare’s Hamlet know?
Upon my secure hour thy uncle stole
With juice of cursed hebona in a vial,
And in the porches of my ears did pour
The leperous distilment . . .
. . . doth posset
And curd, like eager droppings into milk,
the thin and wholesome blood. So did it mine.
And a most instant tetter barked about,
Most lazar-like, with vile and loathsome crust
All my smooth body [Act I, Sc. v, 66 - 78]
Poetry is subjective, symbology open to interpretation and just vague enough to be easily prescient. Now, if U2 writes a song called “Over 200 Sv per Hour Around the World,” or “TEPCo Bloody TEPCo” – then, you’re onto something.
Love the punch line. Thanks for the chuckle.
Believe or not, official science keeps educating us that we live in a warped four-dimensional space-time prison devoid of energy except aimless photons. Telepathy is impossible because no information can be transmitted faster than the speed of light, which is an absolute constant according to dogma.
Jed. Shut up.
The authorities monitoring fish catch worldwide must have radioactivity in fish measured at statistically significant samplings and intervals and announce them on a public website daily. Similarly in the air and plants and soil and water bodies- large samples. See Fish Catch and radioactivity:
http://deathdealersnukes.blogspot.com/
‘Short lived’ radioctive iodine is only an easily-picked ‘marker’ for FAR more toxic substances being produced in any nuclear reactor.
You can be sure that if radioactive iodine is present, then so is caesium, strontium and plutonium; because (more or less) all are the transuranic elements which decayed billions of years ago on our planet, to make life possible.
Now, via, nuclear energy (in any form) this planet is again going to be devoid of life … and if I overstate my case, I do not care; because there can be no doubt that our species got way ahead of rational consideration about what WOULD happen without adequate controls on the development of nuclear energy, whether as a weapon of war, or for “peaceful purposes”.
The radioactive iodine is a timing issue. When it appears (yes, with the host of others), we assume releases are recent and active because of it’s shorter half-life. It means emissions are not diminishing or tapering and not exclusive of all other longer term releases too. It also points to recent fissioning recriticality.
It’s even worse than that. Yes, Iodine 131 is unequivocal evidence of a host of radionuclides all made concurrently in known relative ratios, just as Gerry and mothra indicated. The bugger here is that, because it is so short-lived, any amount – especially high amounts – indicate very recent nuclear fission reactions. It disturbs me greatly that this is not mentioned anywhere by anyone. There is NO other source of measurable quantities of this 8-day-half-life isotope, two MONTHS after meltdown, than recent criticalities supporting the nuclear fission reaction. There is no “opinion” in this post. This is fact.
I bow in sincere respect to mothra. After reading Gerry’s post, I hit the first line of mothra’s and jumped to comment.
Clearly, my post was redundant as (the justifiably respected) mothra covered the point in my post very well. Thanks mothra.
No worries. It’s mutual
. We’re all doing our best and these are tough, hair-pulling mortality topics. It gets passionate because we care deeply. Caring doesn’t flip my offense switch. Corporate lies do.
Why do trolls (?) keep attacking tacomagroove?
He is the most dedicated and factual person here.
OK he is not perfect, but who is?
I do believe that tacomagroove is a girl – not a boy.
And its pronounced Taco MaGroove. Sweet.
the trolls are attacking the most effective peraon getting the gravity of the situation to the world. It means tacomagroove is doing a great job.
It’s part of the fiction. Present 2 different points of view. Fiction: there are more than 2 different points of view.
I meant to say, TRUTH: there are more then 2 different point of view. The fiction keeps you thinking that there are only 2 points of view. I thought his statements about moving all the Japanese to Detroit was more of the slave culture thinking the US is still committed to. It is the managers of auto plants that determine whether or not shoddy parts are used or not. We have plenty of auto workers here. What we don’t have is managerial insight. Business is the US is too much: how many people will be killed if we save so much money. What is the acceptable amount of people killed before we change our policies.
Re-criticality? Is that not what higher levels of iodine 131 indicates?
Yes.
Crikey, are they just free dumping!? Did you see these radionuclide levels?
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/Global/international/publications/nuclear/2011/RAP110522-GPJ-01.pdf
Hi all,
in one month time I’m supposed to travel to Japan, Ageo (260km South-West away from Fukushima) for a one week business trip. I am about to conduct a training for 3 people from the Japanese branch of my employer.
Today, I told my manager about my serious concerns regarding the risk of contamination and that I am not willing to go there anymore… They are considering an alternative to send those 3 trainees to Poland instead. However, I wonder what I should do if they say “no, that’s too expensive, we prefer you go to Ageo”…
The job is new and it’s great so I’d not want to loose it but the fear slowly starts to paralyze me when I think of going to Japan :-/
I read the news here everyday and check updates from Arnie Gundersen on FaireWinds.com and more and more I am getting convinced it would not be a good idea to go there.
Please can someone share their thoughts on the above and tell me I am not panicking. Would you go there yourself? Most of the people here in Poland are not aware of the situation in Japan ‘coz they mainly relay on mass-media news if at all so some of them look at me like I was paranoid…
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Piotr
I understand your concern but a week is not long. I would just take enough bottled water for your stay and various alternative meds such as recommended by various sites which I can look up if you need the info. A good job you enjoy is hard to acquire these days and although your fear is justified I think you be okay. Having said that I would just make sure your company would supply a way for you to leave if things would suddenly become more dire. Also you could e-mail Arnie or Maggie Gundersen or post on the Physics Forum for their take on your concerns. Take good care and no worries.
thanks moonshellblue for your input! well, it would be hard to bring enough water for a week;) but i could be buying the imported one like charlie says.
yes, that would be great if you looked up for some info on meds to take!!
good point with having immediate escape guaranteed if things go worse.
yes, i did emailed Arnie Gundersen few days ago but have received no response yet. i’m sure they are very busy…
what physics forum do you mean exactly?
best regards,
piotr
Keep in mind that you can not effectively use a Geiger counter to check for low level contamination of food or water. If you can measure it that way it is really high. Normal measurements use sensitive scintillation detectors and lots of shielding. A GM detector is good for finding gross contamination. Like rain water, building materials, etc. See the videos on youtube of amateur measurements of down spouts and gardens in Japan.
Highly radioactive sewage sludge has been processed into cement blocks by at least 2 sewage plants in Japan. I would check any new construction with a Geiger counter.
Personally, if it was me, I’d find a reason not to go there.
a trip to japan sounded fantastic 6 months ago, but now this is the last place on earth i’d want to visit
you will be fine. just follow the advice you have received here. keep your job.
When you go on business trips they will always invite you to dine out for food at a resteraunt and drink at a bar. I abide by a church fasting calendar so I have a lot of experience being in those situations with business travel (Google trip to Atlanta) and not being able to eat certain foods (meat, dairy). In your case you won’t want to eat veggies, meat, dairy from Japan (it probably comes from the agricultural areas north of Tokyo?) nor drink their water, juice and milk (except the alcohol may be just fine!…live off of Whiskey). Tough one! Good luck, sir. I don’t envy your situation.
don’t eat their sushi or drink their tea/soup. Have a scotch and mineral water and a steak if you must.
thanks for pointing this out, charlie. i wouldn’t have thought of that!
piotr, remember that rice is mostly water, so avoid that too. Chicken should be safe enough, raised indoors and fed last year’s grai
you’re right, ocifferdave, this surely would happen – an invitation to dine out… and they might feel offended if I refused, correct?
yes, Ageo is 80km north west away from Tokyo so most of food probably comes from the region you mentioned.
you can tell them that you are feeling sick and cannot dine with them. That’s what I would do.
I’d decline the training trip and provide meltdown articles published after the event was planned. If asked. I would offer a cost-effective alternative via web conferencing on Japan’s time, offer on-going in-service support and perhaps provide extra effort and time developing those presentations which is far less expensive and shows initiative anyway.
There’s “no” and “low cost solution oriented no.”
thank you for your wise advice, mothra!
hello TG
songda is going super typhoon
tracking to japan,, about the 29 and 30, may
very bad,,
I have been watching this for about a week and am hoping it will weaken but still the rainy season has begun.
piotr, bring one week’s worth of your own food with you, and drink only imported mineral water from europe, and wear a mask when outside.
Thanks Charlie but what kind of mask?
piotr, wear the kind of surgical face mask the japanese wear in public when they have a cold, and try to stay indoors as much as possible. Don’t go out in the rain, and if you do go out in the rain, carry and umbrella, and shower clean when you get home, change clothes, etc. Good luck!
Those little cloth masks are NOT enough to block radiation at the micron level. You should wear an N95 mask–See photos of scientists from Greenpeace—-> http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/nuclear-reaction/marine-life-soaking-up-radiation-along-fukush/blog/34979 It’s not that expensive or obstructive, but it will give you more peace of mind.
Why not try a teleconference?? I’ve done it for work and it’s no different than a regular meeting.
yes, those n95 masks are not expensive, and they are a good idea.
thank you very much, Roget, i will look for these masks on the web!
i can’t do an IT training via teleconference / livemeeting this time… well, at least that would be very hard and not as efficient as required.
models show a mid-level low will from off california coast next week 2 june
when that low moves too the mid west time to take cover
going to be a record year for tornado in usa
there should be pacific highs off the cal coast
have a feeling we have gone back too old school weather
1950s 1960s
trouble is to soon to tell,this coming winter is looking bad now
to bad they didnt get ready for typhoon season in japan,aka fuku, sad
piotr,
I agree with Charlie,…..IF the boss insists, I would go. But, I’d add to Charlie’s list, bentonite clay to drink 1 tsp every day I was there.
Take care as you are! Good for you!
and buy some kelp at a health food store and take it to get clean iodine in your thyroid.
i’m sorry… kelp? what’s that?
kelp is a type of seaweed, a sea vegetable, called varech in French language, which contains a lot of clean iodine. If you have lots of clean iodine in your thyroid gland, it is full of clean iodine and the bad radioactive iodine from fukushima cannot enter your body (our bodies absorb iodine and put ii in our thyroid gland. This way you can avoid thyroid cancer, which was very common after Chernobyl accident.
You can buy kelp in natural health food stores like vitamin
thanks Jil! but where to buy bentonite clay? is it allowed to be taken with your flight luggage?
bentonite is a form of clay, suspended in distilled water. You can carry a bottle of it in your luggage – it looks just like muddy water. You don’t really need it for a one week trip to Japan, and you can eat it when you return to Poland if you want to .
charlie, again – thank you so much for all your immediate feedback and advices! this is highly appreciated! best wishes from Poland:)
High levels of I-131 is very bad news. It has a half life of 8 days so should be very low. That includes what would be inside a cold shutdown reactor. The fresh production of I-131 indicates that fission is still happening! Some of the melted fuel rods must be still be critical. Fresh contamination is being added to the environment right now.
this is too funny