Contamination levels skyrocket at Fukushima plant, up nearly 2,000% — NHK: Quadrillions of becquerels already released; “Gov’t needs to take charge entirely” (VIDEO)

Published: August 31st, 2013 at 4:14 pm ET
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Kyodo News, September 1, 2013: Very high radiation levels were observed Saturday at three tanks and one of the pipes connecting them at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, pointing to the possibility that radioactive water may have newly leaked, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. The radiation readings were from 70 to 1,800 millisieverts per hour [...]

Shunichi Tanaka, Nuclear Regulation Authority chairman (Aug. 28, 2013)

JIJI PRESS, Aug. 31, 2013: Saturday’s highest reading [of 1,800 millisieverts per hour] was measured at one of the two tanks, with the radiation level jumping from 100 millisieverts.

CBS News, Aug. 28, 2013 (Emphasis Added): “What’s important is not the number itself but to give a basic idea about the extent of the problem,” authority chairman Shunichi Tanaka said [...] Tanaka said there is a much larger ongoing problem at the plant: massive amounts of contaminated ground water reaching the sea. But that problem cannot even be rated under the IAEA’s International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale because it is unknown exactly how much ground water is escaping, how contaminated it is and what effect it is having on the sea and marine products. [...] “I’m baffled,” he said.

WSJ, Aug. 28, 2013: “It could be much more or much less,” [Shunichi Tanaka, chairman of the Nuclear Regulation Authority] added, saying that Tepco calculated the amount based on the assumption that the tank had been full. [...] A Tepco spokeswoman said “it’s true that we calculated 300 tons. We cannot say whether we will or we won’t change it later.”

NHK, Aug. 30, 2013: Major leak [...] releasing several quadrillion becquerels of radioactive particles [...] the government needs to take charge entirely.

From last week: 'Growing Alarm': 25 trillion becquerels of Fukushima radioactive material leaks into ground -- Kyodo News Advisory: Exact source of extreme contamination unknown; Tank missing 300,000 liters (VIDEO)

Watch NHK’s Nuclear Watch here

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  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    On the bright side, The Fukushima Daichi Triple Meltdown and the subsequent ELE give me the perfect excuse for going to the strip club and getting multiple lap dances everyday!

    I have the money, the means…and now, the motive!

    I will die with a smile on my face at least…


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    • We Not They Finally

      You actually find that FUN in the middle of all THIS? Isn't that an embarrassment?


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      • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

        I'm not embarrassed. How could I be? I told every one I knew about this disaster two years ago and they laughed at me and called me a crazy conspiracy theorist. I told friends from Japan to leave as soon as possible. They didn't want to talk about it.

        To this day I mention what's going on on Facebook. No one listens. My immediate family doesn't even listen.

        I have a great life but the world has not been very kind to me despite that. I have no family, no wife or kids. Just me.

        I am not embarrassed at all because I don't exist. And if this species is stupid enough to let such a beautiful thing like The Earth explode underneath its feet because it wanted to use the power of the sun to boil water, I am not going to spend my last happy years worrying about something I can't possibly fix.

        There's nothing you can do. You can't even get near the corium. The few intelligent minds are trying to figure out a solution but they can't. That's why this is not on the news. When a disaster is not reported on the news then you know we are in trouble.

        So I will fill my days with bliss, not the drama of this ridiculous species. If they manage to get Superman to come from his Fortress of Solitude and fix this, then I'll go back to being a conforming normal human being with a mortgage. But my happy days start now.


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        • We Not They Finally

          No one is telling you not to have fun! And it's terrible that people don't listen. We tried to stop our niece from going to Japan, she laughed it off, and went. When she was there, she e-mailed us that she was "having a wonderful time."

          You're at the better end of the stick. It's just that whatever world of fun-and-games is still out there, it will collapse into chaos. Just wish you had someone with whom you felt humanly close through all this.


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        • teamplayer

          Those of us who do have kids, and possibly grandchildren, probably have a different perspective.
          Sure… I can just eat, drink, and be merry, and not worry about radiation, fracking, deep-water drilling, etc., but my heart is heavy for the world we are leaving the young.


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          • We Not They Finally

            My husband and I actually talk about that a lot. To talk differently, more cautiously, to people with kids and grandkids. We're older. I cannot even imagine what it is like growing up in the world today. For parents and grandparents especially, it can be terrifying.


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            • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

              All the way back to March 2011 I've told people from all walks of life, with and without children about this. I've told laypeople and people in high places. No one wants to hear it. They turn deaf ears to the idea, and they resent you for ruining their day and giving them nightmares.

              Growing up in the world today is not much worse than it was growing up in the 80s. I would stare at my ceiling at night worried about nuclear war. I had a water stain on my ceiling that resembled a mushroom cloud, and after seeing the movie The Day After I was often haunted by it. But now that I think about it, not many people cared back then either.

              It is so ironic that our destruction from nuclear power will come from leaks and not explosions. Our end comes not with a bang, but with a trickle. If you have kids, you can tell them everything is going to be alright, just like my parents told me in The 80s.

              I talk to my parents now about what is happening and they change the subject. It's Labor Day Weekend after all. So I go easy on people and tell them what they want to hear. They will attack you if you threaten their peace.

              But they know something is wrong. I talked to a stripper friend of mine at the club yesterday and she said she is moving to Germany. I asked her why. She said "Things are getting worse here. And we are about to start WW3 after all."

              I wanted to tell her that there were much worse things to worry about, things kept secret. But I knew she wouldn't…


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        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Z, Excellent decision and may the force always be with you!


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    • hbjon hbjon

      Most people don't adjust their moral behavior based on external events. There could be a million dead, 2 million incapacitated, and 5 million sick and dying, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna go run down the streets in my birthday suit. Instead of having those smelly arses rubbing against them in a dark, sleazy bar at the outskirts of town, most people imho will try helping the needy in their community. If there was another major release at FDNPP wreckage and the wind was blowing south and west, the word checkmate comes to mind. Japan has had one thing going for it all this time, the wind blew out and up during the first major release.


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      • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

        It's still early. We have a while before people start dropping dead en masse. There will be plenty of time to help my neighbors (I will be the one most likely to help my neighbors since I think ahead and save food, water and battery electricity for disaster emergencies when others don't) but right now it's business as usual, and I kind of want to enjoy this nice living before the crap really hits the fan. It could be a day, a week or months from now. Who knows?

        But the storm is coming. I have no doubt now. I will quietly prepare.

        It's my seeking of pleasure now during the calm before the storm that will keep me sane enough to weather the storm. I'm a survivor, and those women and the club and the staff I know there? Well I'm going to look after them. They are survivors too. Many come from bad situations. I can relate to them when I cannot relate to "normal" members of society.

        Let's see how long those normal members of society last when society falls apart. This wonderful capitalist society that employs war, bias, competitiveness and the worship of money to survive and thrive, casting out anyone who does not go with the program, and spitting out its loyal followers when they are old and useless.

        Fukushima Daichi is the epitome of our flawed thinking as a species. Hopefully the next world will be better.


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      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Everyone adjusts their moral behavior based on external events..

        Remember the Donner Party ate each other and cannibalism was reported in the mountains after Japan's tsunami in 2011.

        These are external events..


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        • hbjon hbjon

          Not everybody turned to cannibalism. Some died with dignity.


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          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Great debate, but in the end you would loose this argument, since mankind is truly only another primal animal attempting/trying to be smart and nothing more.

            If we are only animals with what we think are souls then yes.. all animals do have souls!

            Thus your moral dilemma as it now exists everywhere around you.


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            • hbjon hbjon

              I could win this argument on your playground or mine. We're not trying to be smart. We are innately smart. That is what it is to be man. Life and DNA builds upon what was there. Man owes his success in life to his thinking mind. Perhaps a million years ago he owed the success to his reactive mind, but he was probably not human then. Civilized society allows man to be human. Put him in a desperate situation without food, water, clothing, shelter and give him pain he may resemble an animal. But that is only a superficial appearance dramatized by the reactive mind. If you see a man acting like an animal please help him survive. Give him a coat, food, shelter. Things I know you would do Obewan.


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              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                What you and I would do may not be what others would do…

                When mankind declared/chose to set himself above the laws of nature and then above the ancient power of the force that surrounds us all, he created his own moral dilemmas..

                Call it what you will, but external events do/have/will often change our moral compass and behaviors, but we must resist this Dark Side of Force at all costs.

                Our behavior on this planet has been disgusting..


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              • many moons

                The thinking mind led us to turning the incredible beauty on earth into a toxic death trap….paradise lost thanks to the thinking man!


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                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Ergo: The conclusion of the argument premise!


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                • hbjon hbjon

                  "Paradise lost due to the thinking man". Thanks to the "thinking man", we have survived to this day. We are victims to previous "survival behavior" of a few people. One mans survival behavior may be a little strenuous on another mans survival. But the action put forth was fully intended on the survival of mankind. And incomplete data for the computation on the optimum solution usually cause future problems for mankind. Take for example our current situation where radiation is flowing into the environment with no known way to stop it. Shall we label the good folks who get injured by radiation "unethical animals"? They have become victims that pain and fear will give the resemblance of animal behavior. Please resist the dark side of the force Obewan, your our only hope. (I believe I have won this round)


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                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    hbjon,
                    Its OK with me if you feel that you need to win a round in your mind.

                    The explanation and dissertation would be way to long for us to debate on a few pages on any website.

                    We are all living in very exciting times and yes we are all very fortunate to be alive and we are now at a turning point and/or cross roads as a species and its going to be all about choices in the future.

                    We have made great strides in promoting our own survival at the detriment of all other species that reside here with us. They share this planet with us and they in combination with us and all the other living things on this planet make up the force.

                    Our problems are much greater than just Nuclear but this single technology does have the potential to end this survival premise you adamantly cling too. Each time we damage the other creatures and life on this planet we are damaging this force. Pretty simple concept really.

                    This current paradigm is a cleverly designed reality for our minds and nothing more and why we are here talking about moral choice.

                    Many civilization's of humans have come and gone on this planet and we are not special and for every step forward we take we must be clear as to what if any harm we are doing to the overall force.

                    I would recommend the two movies posted recently as a great starting point as to why we as a species are doing the damage we are now to this force and this planet. Once you understand the reasons you will see why this moral argument…


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  • Q: "Is this a China Syndrome?"

    This question was asked by someone earlier.

    There are two answers.

    1. China Syndrome… Where the core melts through to the other side of the earth is a fictional concept.

    2. China Syndrome… Meaning a meltdown (loss of containment) has occurred.

    Fukushima's NPPs meet this criteria times 3.

    Answer: Yes

    "…a detonation event, as happened for three reactors during Fukushima incident."

    "…in Fukushima recombiners did not work due the absence of power and hydrogen detonation breached the containment."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Syndrome_%28nuclear_meltdown%29#Unexpected_failure_modes

    Important Note:
    "The term [China Syndrome]is not officially defined by the International Atomic Energy Agency or by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission. However, it has been defined to mean the accidental melting of the core of a nuclear reactor, and is in common usage a reference to the core's either complete or partial collapse."


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      I understand that people think that using the term "China Syndrome" will mean that the Nuclear cores will melt through the earth to the other side of the planet, but what this term really means is that the melted Nuclear core has "left the building" as it melts and collapses into the earth below the existing containment structures and/or building foundations. Entering the Earth is the proper use of the term.

      Are we there yet?


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      • Jebus Jebus

        "China Syndrome"
        That's a good one, with that, the Pro Nukes like to take us all the way back to the movies.
        They don't live life in what's happening right now and deceptively ignore the context of why the word was spoken.
        They live in a failed past…


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      • We Not They Finally

        China undoubtedly thinks that it's bad enough that there is a "Japan Syndrome." One of the few countries to send radioactive goods BACK to Japan.


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      • hbjon hbjon

        You understand that we are that ignorant to believe that the cores will cross through the center of the earth and emerge in China? Dear Obewan, we are not as sharp as you, but please give us a little bit more credit than that. The term "China Syndrome" was taken from an old movie to merely describe molten reactor fuel that is no longer contained or has lost geometry. The term allows people to cross reference the situation to a similar situation that was experience by those in the movie. Perhaps the stress of all this has affected the judgement of the great Jedi warrior. Though, the author points out that the term may take on and evolve into different meanings through time.


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    • AntonButler

      Gravity on earth reduces linearly with distance from the surface to the center of the earth, so the coriums can never reach the other side of the earth. The most any dense object can go is to the center of the earth, given a fluid core. School physics.
      The good news about Fukushima, is it proves beyond all doubt
      that the entire nuclear power industry are making false statements
      all the time. Secondly they really are amateur corporations.
      Thirdly, many people will be sick or dead from Fukushima. The whole world knows the Japanese authority will never stop committing perjury on Fukushima, and that will be for many centuries to come.


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      • We Not They Finally

        Well, that's Hollywood, "The China Syndrome." But what Yoichi Shimatsu (a journalist, not a scientist, but a very smart educated guy) speculates, is that IF there is a hydrovolcanic explosion (fissioning corium meets aquifer), then it will not just explode UP, but send a sharp shock wave DOWN — possibly as far down as the "mantle" of the Earth which protects us from the molten iron inside. Giving a massive explosion of molten iron that will be devastating to the Earth.

        We're just trying to digest that one — not necessarily "buying" it, but did not even realize that something like that might happen. It almost sounds too sci-fi — but look at what we have already got!


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        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Interesting concepts. Do you know some people believe that Planet Earth is actually alive. It breaths in and out ect. just like we do. Now try to wrap your head around this one.

          Have you ever dropped an apple on the ground and seen the bruise that is made a day or so later on that same impact point? Now this bruise event would be similar to your own bruise if you banged say your arm. Its all red and purple but then after some time the body goes to your bruise and tries to heal it and eventually all is back to normal.

          There is rumor massive lava pools are now massing in the ocean very close to where we humans detonated many Nuclear Bombs sending shock waves down to the mantel and damaging the ocean floors. Very strange and now could the Earth be trying to heal itself?

          Remember the Apple and your arm?

          So, who knows what will be called up by Mother Nature and Planet Earth to deal with this current wound, bruise and/or possible China Syndrome.

          If she (Planet Earth) "is alive" then its obvious that we humans are now trying to kill her….


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          • We Not They Finally

            Not THAT'S really interesting. About the rumor of massive lava pools deep underground the Earth from previous atomic explosions.

            What else is REALLY interesting (haven't had a chance to research it yet) is that apparently, there is IRON coming up from the Atlantic Ocean in the area between Brazil in South America and Algiers in Western Africa. Well over a year back, there was a "blip" on the USGS screen saying that there was a 9.9[!!] earthquake off the West Coast of Africa 600 miles down! Meaning that WHATEVER the magnitude, you don't necessarily feel it on the surface because the earthquake is so deep.

            O.k. This was a freaky report[!], but someone credible (Dutchsince) came out with it It's just that the reading suddenly disappeared. (That does happen with the USGS!)

            Just something to look into. Not trying to create more disasters than we already have going!


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    • Here's another possibl;e one.

      IMO -

      3. China Syndrome… As it applies to the human brain.

      Meaning a condition where someone who has any two of the following reactions after knowing a Nuclear Meltdown is in progress and out of control:

      A: Denial
      B: Apathy
      C: Frustration
      D: Anger

      ;) Uh oh…!


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Nuclear Watch: Contaminated Water Crisis

    That was a sweet pie eece, I'm still chuckling…

    OK, we found Waldo!

    Now where's the Corium, Waldo?

    I guess that would !#*k up the whole story…


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  • DuctTapeCo DuctTapeCo

    TEPCO lies. Nothing about this is new(s) as BIG NUKE always lied from the very very beginning. Take some action or not, who am I to tell anybody else what to do with their life! I say this with very special Thanx to everybody who took some action or got subversive! Please stay friendly when posting comments, people on enenews are not the enemy! There are only very few people around here that make some fun out of getting on our nerves by posting PRO NUKE comments. Just ignore those bastards, they're not worth spending any time on listening to them. AND PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU SPENT AT LEAST TEN MINUTES WITH YOUR LOVED ONES FOR EVERY MINUTE YOU STAY HERE !!!

    Bad -> Worse -> Worst -> TEPCOed -> FUKUed

    RIP PACIFIC OCEAN

    PEACE !!!


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    • We Not They Finally

      Not true that "nothing about this is news." For the past month, the already-astronomical radioactivity has been rising EXPONENTIALLY.

      So there IS news there — but it's in what they are NOT saying. Best guess? Since there is so much STEAM accompanying the humongous rise in radioactivity, they fear A HYDROVOLCANIC EXPLOSION.

      They couldn't care less about poisoning the Pacific or the whole world. But AN EXPLOSION would destroy Japan and them.

      So for the very first time, they are doing a public freak-out. And that freak-out is real. They are just not saying WHY, but I think that it's that.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The timing of that movie was eerie no doubt while preparing the world for what they knew was coming in the near future. The future is now! 60+ years of Nuclear Chaos..


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  • Re: is this a china syndrome? Didn't see the movie yet but Chasaha is right in that it is somewhat of a fictional concept ( courtesy of Hollywood)

    A melt down means the fuel rods melt in uncontrolled fission. Three mile island apparently experienced a partial meltdown.

    Melt through means fuel rods melt down and breech containment. All the experts have said this could never happen. So jaded I have become that when I here "Expert" I wonder if I should run and hide or just laugh. Expert = paid shill

    So Fukushima is a melt through even though announced after the fact.
    But they won't admit to knowing where the coriums are. Me and others call bull$hit. On the other hand I don't believe in the nuclear volcano theory as Fuku is not sitting on bedrock but soft sandstone or something that would be akin to a pot of water boiling with the lid on and the steam escapes as the lid jumps around on the pot. Not like a pressure cooker with safety valve disabled holding everything in until it blows. But with rad counts reported in milli pico nano and microSeiverts, or water with Bequorels per litres, cc gallons and no real education for the public about radiation this is just such a good situation for lies and deceit. But you have maintaining spent fuel pools an issue, situation of rogue cores an issue managing used cooling water, keeping groundwater out of the complex, high radiation water stored in basements etc etc. Whats really happening?


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    • We Not They Finally

      Mark, it might be helpful to SLOW DOWN. According to Uehara Haruo, the man who DESIGNED reactor no. 3 (there was an article on global research.ca), when the melted fuel rods reach the wat table (meaning when CORIUM meets AQUIFER), the result can be A HYDROVOLCANIC EXPLOSION.


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      • We Not They Finally

        So you say that you don't "believe in a nuclear volcano theory." But that is how a "volcano" can come out of CORIUM meeting AQUIFER.

        This IS akin to a pressure cooker "blowing." And I think that the reason that they are suddenly so publicly freaked-out (which has only been in the past month) is that they fear A HYDROVOLCANIC EXPLOSION.

        I mean, look at all the unexplained STEAM. If it's from CORIUM meets AQUIFER, which is deep beneath the ground, and it cannot be released in sufficient quantities, then THE PRESSURE BUILDS.

        An out-of-control pressure cooker is actually a good analogy.

        Look. It's clear that they do not CARE about contaminating the Pacific or the whole world, for that matter. Their freak-out has not come from THAT. But they are genuinely freaked out if they think that a massive hydrovolcanic explosion could wipe out a big chunk of Japan outright.

        So I suspect that "that is what is really happening," as you put it.


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        • flatsville

          WNTF,

          You might find it helpful to SLOW DOWN as well.

          I too suspect they have had site problems due to the last 6.0 EQ.

          Calling an imminent hyrovolcanic explosion, while not out of the realm of possibility, seems a bit premature and
          based on flimsy evidence.

          The site no doubt suffered some subtle seismic changes from the last EQ. They could be responsible for accelerating the water logging of the site. They may have shaken up the coriums.

          I'd put more stock in the anecdotal opinion of area fisherman regarding the look and feel of the coast near the plant related to fogging, boiling, steaming etc…than what has been reported so far…which is giving rise to the hydrovolcanic explosion theory as of late.


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          • We Not They Finally

            I relate to what you are saying if the Japanese themselves were NOT suddenly freaking out. But they are! All of a sudden they have ashen faces, and they're saying, "This is what we've been fearing" and "There's not a minute to waste." But they were "wasting" 2-1/2 years' worth of minutes prior to that!

            I'm not saying that this WILL happen. But THEY obviously fear something imminent! And the factors that have shifted is not just exponentially higher radioactivity, along with isotopes like I-131, which show NEW fissioning. It's also all that steam. Where is it coming from? And what if it cannot be released in sufficient quantities? And does it really have NOTHING to do with why they are suddenly freaking out?

            Their freak-out, not mine. Not that there is not enough to freak out about here in any case!


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Not sure this is any fictional concept and it sounds pretty clear to me and I believe that if any of these super hot 5000+ potential in degree melting nuclear cores have actually left the building structures, then yes this Nuclear event is/would be classified as a.. China Syndrome.

    In the movie nobody died either (Red Pill) and they saved the day and this not anything like what is actually happening right now.

    Its much, much worse than the movie..


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    • Really an exercise in semantics, whether you call it China syndrome, core melt down or my personal preference core melt out. We can agree its a FUBAR situation. I personally cant see a core melting through to China. Whatever is happening in Japan is worse then what they are telling us and they are not telling us the location or path of the melted coriums which may be different situations among the three reactors. Dont believe in the volcanic explosion when corium hits ground water. Could be the groundwater that saved the day and is cooling coriums as we speak. Whatever it is they aren't telling us everything they know.


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      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        mark,
        Semantics are very, very important (Word Craft) in this case/situation and as to how one/group would resolve the patient's condition and final prognosis.

        Same with cancer patients as the (Word Craft) and meanings of those words used are very, very important too!

        Always go towards the bright light of Truth and stay the course..


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        • Point taken that semantics are important. Part of the Fukushima story is the crafty way it has been reported or rather not reported. But in this case China Syndrome becomes a slang word for nuclear melt through. So all I'm saying is whatever you call it its bad. Interestingly "Nuclear meltdown is an informal term for a severe nuclear reactor accident that results in core damage from overheating. The term is not officially defined by the International Atomic Energy Agency[2] or by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.[3]" See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_meltdown The reason there is no official definition for nuclear meltdown is because the experts knew it could never happen. What would we do without experts?


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          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Got's to love their own "Word Craft" designed specifically to fool all of us dummies..oops..human potential shoppers/rate payers/tax payers etc., etc.

            Heck they (the Nuclear Industry) are not on the hook for anything!!

            What a great business plan and then the civil military enforces the entire business plan for them.

            Brilliant!

            Ergo: Tepco and the Japanese Government are one and the same..


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            • Yeah, Wordcraft. Tepco is already broke propped up with Japanese citizens money. In fact Japanese government holds majority shares. But still blames Tepco whatever that entity is. No individuals going to jail as Pacific being polluted and public lied to. Tepco/Japanese Government and International nuclear weapons community all helping along with European, American and Canadian media complicit in this cover up. Private media is really covert government media.


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        • We Not They Finally

          obewan, all points well taken. But it is also "semantics, shmantics." What has CHANGED here is that THE JAPANESE THEMSELVES ARE SUDDENLY FREAKING OUT!! So they themselves fear something WORSE than we are being told and they also seem to fear that it may be IMMINENT.

          And I actually DO NOT want to be right. Just sitting at an observer post here.


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          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            That is to be expected since when you play with fire, you can expect to be burned.

            The Japanese people were not told truthfully the real size and potential of the fire they were going to be playing with..

            Ego: Freak Out!


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          • They all act like a teenager who's Mum has found rolling papers. Simply lie. Tepco lying to Government, government lying to people, Obummer heads to Africa during initial crisis, March 2011. He's lying too as in ignoring the nuclear disaster because all of the sudden African diplomacy is. Now Japanese government freaking out as the lie won't cover the truth anymore. Not all of the truth.
            That's why they are freaking out. Because the bottom line is the political system mated with the private company system intermixed with the organized crime aspect translates to no motive to come clean and do the right thing. Now they and possibly the world loses big time and they are still trying to spin doctor there way out of it. Surprised if more time is spent dealing with the crisis then time spent weasling away from blame.


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      • We Not They Finally

        Mark! Let's say that groundwater is normally 55 degrees. (Don't know that for sure — just an estimate.) But a corium is, let's say (especially if there is RE-criticality) 3600 degrees. The water doesn't cool the corium — the corium heats the water.

        And obviously NOTHING is "saving the day" here because they are in freak-out mode right in Japan. And it happens to coincide with huge quantities of unexplained STEAM.

        It doesn't matter what you "believe."


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        • We not They,It does matter what each individual thinks because we are not given the facts. The coriums are very hot very radioactive and I don't believe they dont know where they are. There is ground x ray technology amongst other technology that should detect heat or radiaction signatures. We are all observing this situation and trying to figure it out. My credentials include pinball mechanic and proud ne'er do well.
          What are yours? None of us are nuclear scientists. Everybodies opinion counts for something as until they actually tell where they are its a guessing game. I'm not the only one who thinks the coriums are bubbling away in the underground river.

          Re:The water doesn't cool the corium — the corium heats the water. If the corium is exposed to underground water yes the corium is heating up the water which actually means heat from corium is being transferred to the water which flows away. Just like you can say your car engine is heating up the water in your radiator. Dare I use the semantics label again? We dont know what the corium looks like or what the underground volume is or the volume of water flow its all conjecture. But if the corium is eating down through the ground when it hits groundwater the groundwater is cooling it. The reported steam coming from the ground at site proves this.


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  • Obewan, you are very wise

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Syndrome

    "The film was released on March 16, 1979, 12 days before the Three Mile Island nuclear accident in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania. Coincidentally, in one scene, physicist Dr. Elliott Lowell (Donald Hotton) says that the China Syndrome would render "an area the size of Pennsylvania" permanently uninhabitable. The basis for the film came from a number of nuclear plant incidents and in particular the Brown's Ferry Alabama Nuclear Power Plant Fire which occurred four years earlier in 1975.[6]

    "China Syndrome" is a fanciful term—not intended to be taken literally—that describes a fictional worst-case result of a nuclear meltdown, where reactor components melt through their containment structures and into the underlying earth, "all the way to China."


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  • truthseek truthseek

    I am sorry, my synaptic expression was not meant to sound too harsh,
    I feel like I need to be filtered, in expression.

    This IS just UNBELIEVABLE to me… and TOO FEW ARE TALKING,
    like when the gulf ware oil fields were set on fire. On so many
    levels WRONG, and somfew even defended the earth…
    appear to have .any feelings. about it.

    With interplanetary prospects, asteroids, Planet X, what have you?
    totally FAKE financial system enslavement, 6,7,800 trillion derivatives.
    Warring factions across the planet arguing, killing based on beliefs…??
    And FREAKING FUKUSHIMA, does it really matter??? Our doom?

    That not reality of our world, religion, political and financial
    all fake main stream media… Is almost like anti-matter
    in opposition of reality, any fashion of progress,
    actully negating (controlling) reality
    (for the masses) as we know it.


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    • truthseek, in this world there are also gorgeous women, cheap beer and accesible illegal drugs. Not to mention children, trees, sunsets, sunrises and kittens. And bar be ques. Not to mention fast cars, fast food, skateboards, video games and tons of illegal but available free downloads of all sorts of movies music and other things. Its a bittersweet pill we swallow for sure. But if you lose your job and can't pay your rent it will be cold comfort to read on a blog somewhere about totally FAKE financial system enslavement.
      A positive outlook never hurts. A negative outlook always hurts and you miss the good parties to boot.


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    • mairs mairs

      Or the BP oil spill in the Gulf. It was and is much worse than the public was allowed to know, and journalists were kept away from the beaches so they couldn't report on what they saw. They were kept away by the POLICE. The government colluded in keeping the extent of the damage a secret. The one man who revealed what was really going on ended up dead.


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      • We Not They Finally

        Yes. Matt Simmons. We should never forget him. Saw what might have been his last media appearance on the Dylan Ratigan Show in August, 2010, about ten days before he was found dead at home. He looked quite apprehensive, and with a shaking voice, as he answered WHY BP was not telling the public that they had drilled into the seabed and it was going to gush oil for decades: "Because they would go to jail and lose their fortunes."

        NOW they are discovering he was correct about the hole in the sea because the oil keeps coming up. And it is apparently also possible that the Louisiana sinkhole is connected to an escalating situation relating to that. (Well, says the Louisiana Sinkhole Bugle.)

        The thing is, people DO eventually find out. Through the horrendous cost of destruction of homes, livelihoods, lives.


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  • truthseek truthseek

    Ack Mark _ I get it, thanks for the nudge…
    Ack mairs – I used oIl fields – as a deliberate act.
    *I quit pumping Exxon after Valdiz spill,
    by principle… I am still upset*

    Sorry FAKE meaning the hopeless posturing
    and that we (the masses) never get ahead.
    Social Security, 401K, savings, medical
    taxes, insurance, more taxes.

    FAKE – meaning that it does
    not have to be this way.

    Not bragging, not apologizing I am over 25 years
    in the current career, things are great, but *that*
    is certain to change for .everyone. I worry for
    my family back home… [more than me]

    I am inspired and filled with interests, Cars, Music,
    Travel, fine dining and Photography…

    I feel that we may be on borrowed time
    and am living life accordingly…
    no looking back with regrets.

    TIME IS NOW!


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    • Sure I get your point, fake as in it doesn't have to be this way. You can't even go out in the wilds and live off the land if you kill a deer for food and its out of season they will take your rifle away. Can't even fish without a license anymore. I advocate strategic partying. Go have fun to maintain your sanity in order to deal creatively with the idiots running this place.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Most truth seekers end up dead…


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  • truthseek truthseek

    Does that mean – SHUT UP about it…? nLOL.


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  • truthseek truthseek

    I may be nearer to my life journey than I would prefer.

    I've had a great life, have no real regrets, and am
    at balance in karma and at peace with my
    maker in every respect.

    *Yes OBE,
    Everyday form our birth we are steps closer (to death)
    I do not readily invision immortality, nor would
    i really want it in this plane.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Me neither..no regrets!


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  • vicky13 vicky13

    You guys might want to follow discussion on Chris Hadfield page,,

    poster just posted that SNOPE article,, so I told him to debunk the 10 year video of the pacific,,

    https://www.facebook.com/AstronautChrisHadfield


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  • Oh I just love a philosophical conversation. Especially at parties where you will here me voice my two cents worth. I believe… I believe…..I'll have another beer. The crisis with the storage tanks is leaving the experts puzzled. Sardonic laughter from the Banana Splits fan. They bought the cheapest of the cheap bolt together tanks, (probably cant find any certified welders willing to enter the nuclear tar pit for cheap). Any fool knows that bolts are not as strong as welds especially when industry level stresses occur. So now they have sand bags around these cheap bolt together storage tanks and the experts are puzzled. Was that puzzled or muzzled?


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    I am sure the correct term/word is muzzled! But then are we talking semantics here? :o


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Just got a call and the jump window has opened..later!

    Dam Martians always want something!


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  • mairs mairs

    Update on nuclear industry people. Now demanding apologies on forums from people who warned about all this from the beginning. Apparently they should be ashamed of themselves for worrying people so much now that Fukushima has been shown to be minor and without health consequences.


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  • truthseek truthseek

    Welcome back my friends,
    to the show that never ends.
    We're so glad you could attend,

    Come inside, Come inside.

    There behind a glass
    is a real blade of grass,
    be careful as you pass.

    Move along, Move Along.

    ELP

    Get our selves ready…


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Any likely scenario or outcome of "the coriums have left the building", really depends on how fast mother nature poison's them.
    The way that they mix, and what they mix with, will determine the time…


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  • Secret Facilities, Thousands Dead…

    Recent Report by Yoichi Shimatsu…Radio Interview Aug 26th

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1an7TQKDmL4

    Transcript http://wyynd.tripod.com/Shimatsu.txt

    What's really going on at Fukushima? Thousands of cars, trucks, buses, what are they working on. Trucks and trains all day and night removing radioactive waste, from where?…to where?….


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