Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants from Fukushima — Data not released to public — “Very high doses to children”

Published: March 6th, 2012 at 2:33 pm ET
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Follow-up to: All of Western US and most of East Coast, Midwest, Canada covered with airborne particles at various altitudes on March 20, Fukushima plume model shows -- Based solely on Reactor No. 1 explosion (PHOTO)

Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi ET Audio File
Nuclear Regulatory Commission
Thursday, March 17, 2011
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BRIAN: Did we ever get the — I’m trying to think of what the best term is, the — everything everything (inaudible) scenario back from — I thought that was one we were going to ask NARAC to run once they had time.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Are you talking about the doses they saw all the way out in California?

BRIAN: Yes.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yeah. That is going to be run by Research in Sandia, but they are not going to be able to do it until later today.

BRIAN: Oh, okay.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Sounds like they had to modify the code first in order to do that run.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Had to modify the MAC code. They — NARAC did do their evaluation of — using our source term, and they — they were calculating doses, particularly for children — thyroid doses of (inaudible) after — that the one- year dose, assuming some very conservative assumptions about ingestion, and (inaudible) practices. So we had the group — the PMT look at some of the actual data from deposits from Chernobyl, which we had from DITTRA.

BRIAN: Right.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Historical data. And convert those to doses using the same update techniques. And they have some calculations — they hadn’t shown them to be (inaudible), but they are showing millirem range doses, like one to 10 millirem.

MALE PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible.)

MALE PARTICIPANT: For the actual deposits. So we think there is some extreme conservatism in the DITTRA numbers, and we will know more once Research does their (inaudible).

BRIAN: Okay.

[...]

MR. LEWIS [Robert Lewis, Director of NRC's Division of Preparedness and Response]: Okay. Good morning. I will cover four things that occupied most of the protective measures team time last night. First, there was a flight by NARAC last night [...] We also are working — there was a request coming from last night — before last evening’s shift to develop projections for doses in California. And that is — has been in process. We will need to — in order to do that, we will need to engage with — we already have engaged with the Office of Research. We are looking to engage further with Sandia to make some modifications to the (inaudible) to effectuate those dose estimates in California. In conjunction with that, there was a DITTRA and NARAC dose estimate that was done for California that we obtained as part of the DOE briefing package. And those were estimating what we believe to be very high doses to children, and a thyroid (inaudible) dosage. We think that (inaudible) extremely conservative modeling related to those doses and assumptions. It’s a thyroid dose that involves deposition of material and (inaudible) integrated the dose over a year or two, for example, drinking milk from the same cow that’s grazing on the same contaminated field the entire time, things like that. But once we get the (inaudible), we will have something to compare (inaudible). Also, when we saw those dose estimates, we looked in the historical record for any kind of information related to Chernobyl actual deposits that were measured. We did find some and (inaudible) dose activity per area of deposits that were estimated — I think they were provided from DITTRA. We did the same dose calculations with those concentrations, and the doses were approximately 1,000 times lower. So we were in the one to 10 millirem range versus full rem range, which was — full rem thyroid dose range, which was being (inaudible) by DOE and DOE (inaudible). [...]

MIKE: Rob, this is (inaudible). I have a question for you. This request for doses in California projected with, I guess, worst-case assumptions, is that correct? (Inaudible.)

MR. LEWIS: I believe the doses that we saw from DITTRA represented a source term of 100 percent of the (inaudible).

MIKE: Okay. And where — is this information being considered for releasing publicly, like we do with the press release?

MR. LEWIS: Which information are you speaking about?

MIKE: I’m talking about these projected dose models, the models that you — the ones that you are doing and coordinating with other agencies, is there some thought about releasing that publicly?

MR. LEWIS: We have not had that discussion at this time.

MIKE: And don’t take that as a suggestion to (inaudible). I’m just curious as to how we came upon doing that with our press release, and then, are we advocating that for any future press releases here for doses in the U.S.?

MR. DORMAN: Mike, this is Dan. No. No, we’re not planning any press release with this information. This was a projection that we were requested to run. Separate from our being requested to run that, we got this DOE briefing package that had this other DITTRA run in it, and we’re not — I don’t know what prompted theirs or all of the assumptions that went into theirs, but it obviously caught our attention and we are looking to get what we think would be more realistic projections. Other questions?

MS. HOWE: Dan, just one comment, and Rob. This is Linda Howe in Region IV. Rob, I can talk with you offline about some background information for California. The DITTRA and DOE runs for California may have been prompted by queries from the state, because the state has been conducting interagency conference calls, and DOE, EPA, HHS, has been part of those calls. Our regional state liaison officer is also monitoring that, but there is some background that is politically sensitive that I can share with you offline.

MR. DORMAN: Okay. Thanks, Linda. That’s good.

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MR. HICKSMAN: This is Tom Hicksman. Could you please repeat the DITTRA projection and our calculation for the thyroid dose rates in California, please?

MR. LEWIS: Well, our calculations are not done.

MR. HICKSMAN: But you thought that they might be 1,000 times less, or that they are –

MR. LEWIS: Yeah. The DITTRA result was four rem [40,000 microsieverts] to the thyroid of a one year-old child based on one year integration of uptake. They –

MR. HICKSMAN: I think it –

MR. LEWIS: What we did during the past shift was looked at the actual deposition rates in California from the Chernobyl accident in 1986 and extrapolated that out and came up with a comparable dose rate on the order of one to 10 millirem. So that kind of reinforced our disbelief of the DITTRA number when we saw it. But then, separately, Research is working with Sandia to do a separate run.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Just for clarity, we want to attribute the calculation for NARAC. Okay. It’s not (inaudible), it’s NARAC — the calculation.

MR. DORMAN: Any other questions?

MALE PARTICIPANT: And also, to clarify, we don’t have a run of it. We just have the output –

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right.

MALE PARTICIPANT: — that suggests the thyroid doses.


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368 comments to Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants from Fukushima — Data not released to public — “Very high doses to children”

  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

    Now the correlation between taking so many radiation monitoring stations offline throughout the US, and these numbers, becomes glaringly obvious…


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @aftershock

      I'm sure I read in one of the NRC documents that ALL nuclear power plants in the U.S. are capable of testing for radioactivity. So, even though the EPA's monitoring stations may have been offline in some areas, it is possible that there are records all over the country made by the nuclear power plants of actual local radiation at that time.

      I'm still monitoring international newspapers, the alternative press, and several national newspapers for this story every day. It's amazing. An almost total blackout of what should be the story of the century. This story is not "going viral" to say the least. Any mention of radiation from Fukushima still sounds as though all the problems were confined to Japan. BBC and PBS timid/feeble efforts to date are disgusting.


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      • vital1 vital1

        This is consistent normal behavior of Governments worldwide. To them, money and power are more important than your family’s and children’s well being.

        We have to get the true message out there on how serious the Fukushima nuclear disaster is. We must do this quickly, and efficiently. Getting frustrated reading this stuff without taking psychical action to change it is a waste of life. I am suggesting we create our own world press organization. Each one of us can distribute lots of important life saving information to those around us.

        It has to be diverse and decentralized concerted organized mass effort. Everyone distributing the information in their own local area, or Internet social networks. If you have recorded local data showing raised radiation levels try your local media, and see if they will write an article.

        For this process to work well, we need different flyers created by lots of you. The central message being, how serious the Fukushima nuclear disaster is. No leaders, just personal action.

        Hand them out, mailbox them, or email them. Put them everywhere, libraries, notice boards, web pages, forums, Facebook, and tweet! Put them on web pages, and in lots of sites where the flyer can be downloaded. Think outside the box.

        I have created the flyer below which you can use for now. If more of you create your own, that would be great. You don’t need to explain anything just distribute it. I have reached lots of people with this flyer who had no idea how bad this disaster is. The vast majority will appreciated it.

        http://technologypals.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/lifesaver.pdf


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        • How did we do warning people about the GOM after the BP Gusher destroyed the Gulf and most to the sea life, many are still eating that sickening cocktail seafood will mammals and reptiles are dieing in record numbers and BP touts advertisement's on the Gulf is restored and made things right !
          These ad company writers are probably on their way, or are in Japan now running those adds of eat this and eat that foods again !


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      • vital1 vital1

        It is very hard to understand how so called civilized, educated, and intelligent people have acted with such callousness, and endanger such a huge number of men, women and children.

        I do think it does speak very loudly about the corruption and moral decay in our modern systems of government and business practices. Our so call modern age will be considered a dark age in human history by future generations, if there are any around to chronicle it.


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    • Arizonan Arizonan

      US DHH says evacuate if 2 rem/yr projected!!
      Oh this is hysterical: the US Dept of Health and Human services web page is one of the first you find after googling "4 rem thyroid dose to child," which is what I just did. It says if there is a 2 rem dose expected in the first year after a radiation emergency then the recommendation is "relocation of the public," and there mr criminal of year dorman is trying to hide a projected 4 rem dose they KNEW about about gathering data, and possibly lied to president about. Check out the DHH website while you still can:
      http://www.remm.nlm.gov/pagpublic.htm

      "Mike," Lewis, Dorman and Howe all conspired with criminal negligence to prevent the projection from becoming public, resulting in NO distribution of PI in California, and this will have the direct result of several hundred of not several thousand childhood thyroid cancers. The prisons are not big enough to contain this vicious cabal.


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      • Strayhorse

        Our 18yo daughter has just been diagnosed with hypothyroidism. We live in AZ. There is no history of thyroid problems in either family. This comes as a big surprise to us all. We have also just asked the PCP to test our 12yo son for TSH level while we just tested our daughter for free T4, free T3 panels to determine what is actually happening or not happening with her thyroid. She is not exhibiting normal symptoms of a thyroid disorder but her TSH was abnormal.
        I think radiation from Japan; from the power plant in AZ and from electro magnetic radiation is at fault.
        Our children, the future of our nation is at risk of large numbers of cancers due to the recent fallout.
        Anyone have research to back up my claims?


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      • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

        thanks for the link Arizonian..passed it around everywhere I can.


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    • I think we all knew they were off the charts historically, none of us here believed that they were malfunctioning, now the question is who to seek out for responsibility ! huhmym !!


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  • jec jec

    And just WHEN is the public told of the doses and exposures? In a couple years? What is the administration thinking? This should be on the front page of the newspaper–and MSN, CNN, FOX and other TV news anchors.


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    • jec jec

      Was the idea to make people scared so they agree to Obamacare? Someone should do a FOIA to get the actual reason the administration is keeping the news of radiation fallout secret. Fallout in California at thyroid dose levels for infants?? This is not terrorism..this is not an election or politics..this is the safety and health of our babies. Babies in California –and other states, our futures. And for those saying..thyroid cancer is curable –its not, its treatable with permanent replacement hormones and the knowledge THOSE children affected will have difficulty having a family. Criminal.


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      • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

        Just my opinion, but I see Obama, senators, congress, EPA, DOE, NRC as symptoms. These guys are just bought and paid for. The real disease is much bigger. You can replace all of them over and over and will just have a variation of the same malfeasance. Nothing short of total economic system collapse with focus on REAL quality of life…not just the most toys is the only answer.


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        • lam335 lam335

          The shocking indifference of the majority of the public is a huge factor. This whole Fuku fiasco has impressed upon me the extent to which the human race is beyond reason. There seems to be some kind of deep-seated psychological defense mechanism (or perhaps just a radical tunnel-vision) that enables the vast majority of human beings to dismiss/ignore/deny/forget about this unprecedented and on-going situation (despite the fact that the presence of its fallout has been documented not only in their air but in their food/milk as well). This disaster has also impressed upon me how thoroughly amoral/immoral a smaller subset of the human race is. How can you NOT immediately warn the public when you know (or suspect) that spent fuel laced with Plutonium has been aerosolized??? How can you issue bland reassurances when there's even a possibility that this stuff could actually be harmful to the most vulnerable among us?

          Given what I see of human nature, I don't think there's much hope for it.

          You'd think SOMEONE at the NRC, TEPCO, the Japanese government, or our own government would be capable of rising above their petty concerns and interests (whether economic or political) to take the long-term, big picture view of this. Posterity will look back at these base little men–and their selfish, shortsighted decisions–and it will heap scorn upon them all (including our chief executive, who flew his entire family down to South American while lesser members of his branch told the public everything was fine–nothing like a "commander-in-chief" who runs away from a threat to his country while shouting behind his back, "It's all good; no cause for concern!").


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          • lam335 lam335

            re: "this is not an election or politics"–the state of the economy (technically, people's perceptions of it) is the single biggest factor in the re-election of incumbent presidents. The prospect of cesium and strontium in domestic food/milk is not good for the economy or the farming industry (which has one of the strongest lobbies on Capitol Hill). The possibility of radioactive contamination on imported electronic items and cars is not good for the economy either . . . and then there's those nuke-boosting campaign donors and their longed-for renaissance (which many on the other side of the political aisle have also been dreaming about since TMI).


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          • hbjon hbjon

            People are taught what industry tells government to teach us. What people need to know to make society function in these modern times. Not what you need to know to survive in todays modern society. One thought that blossoms is how the knowledge of dangers conflicts with the survival of an industry deemed necesary by government and society. Bingo!


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    • In small rooms the whisper of a fate, They will say to parents of children or the adults that come down with ailments and need operations, It just happens sometimes !

      Unless a concerted effort to expose it will go unknown for the largest part of what is happening and why, There should be a clearing house website started to collect all people writing in as they search the web for their problems on health, they will find a web sire to document their ill and story !

      Otherwise, it will not be know to the masses and even them if …


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    • lam335 lam335

      Yes. It's incredible that something as scandalous as this (and the discussion re: not telling Americans in Japan to evacuate as far as they should) has not be picked up by ANYBODY in the major media. What is wrong with the press? I don't care what financial interests underwrite them; journalists eagerly try to get the "scoop" on scandals with lesser implications than this. Yet nobody seems inclined to investigate and report on this to the broader public. What's wrong with them???


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      • Kevin Kevin

        Well, nuke types are powerful and deadly.

        Also we have not had much to point at to prove the coverup and make a story. This thread however could change that!

        We now have data that supports the notion of a coverup in clear and precise terms. With supporting data that is definitive, credible and precise. Moreover we have public statements from the agency responsible claiming their desire to cover up and the agencies chair making the statement that contradicts the data his agency had.

        This is all the ingredients we need to finally get some attention to this story.

        now the work begins in getting the story into the mix!


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  • Sickputer

    So many smoking guns I think somebody's going take a fall.

    Incredible this conversation was not redacted. There were many lines of documents that we have seen blanked out that I know the speakers protected would be as culpable as these scoundrels.

    Criminal offenses? Don't count on it. Civil lawsuits? Don't count on it.

    Bureaucrats getting fired? Oh yes… There will be substantial underlings taking the fall for this.


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      In that vein, I'm intrigued at all the "inaudible" moments in these conversations, in which nobody on the call asked the speaker to repeat or clarify the inaudible bit.

      If something is inaudible to the transcriber, wouldn't it have been inaudible to the participants? Yet the participants generally proceed as though nothing was missing.


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    • About those redactions…

      I've begun reviewing the entire audio file transcripts (to highlight certain info and surrounding context, identify participants, etc.) for archive purposes. And I've gotta just LOL at how totally inept the NRC's censor really is. Reminds me of Yossarian in the hospital blacking out random verbs and nouns…

      Most often when a participant/affiliation is redacted in a given call, he's and who he works for are clearly identified in the very next call, telling somebody else in the chain who said what when. So we get the super-duper black Magic Marker treatment on a major call's participants only to see that it's INPO/WANO (or NEI, WH coordinator, IAEA wannabe lie-planter or some other industry group/stooge) farther down the page at the next call.

      But I'm only at call 21 on the 12th (page 154, halfway through) after two days' work. Will get to the 17th eventually…


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    • and this goes across international boundaries so other government's conspired with them to keep this hidden !


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  • KONDY KONDY

    Guess what? I am living proof that the thyroid dose was high out here in CA. I have been on thyroid meds for a few years now, and a couple months after Fuku – my thyroid tanked and they had to raise the dosage of my meds. We definitely got hit out here.


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  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    They measured the actual dosages in the US. It wasn't based on models and extrapolations from Chernobyl. Let's get the actual Iodine measurements for CA and the USA, NRC released. Do it now! Press: use FOI to get the actual data released. Protect us, NRC, not the industry.


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    NEW TWEET! Shadyflwrs Show host back from Tokyo: We were told a lot of people are sick from Fukushima and the gov’t lies about it (VIDEO) http://t.co/wHFAdjdi


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  • What-About-The-Kids

    I am speechless. I am incensed. There needs to be some accountability. They knew ahead of time our dear children would receive these levels of exposure after one year and yet remained mute. My child and teammates were out getting SOAKED in the fallout rain in Seattle the ENTIRE months of March and April and May and June…I was out there with them. Not ONE WORD of suggested precautionary measures, "just in case." Only denial, down-playing, cover up. For WHAT REASON??? The word "cowardly" somes to mind…

    A mother never forgets. It is time all mothers and fathers heed this wake up call and do whatever is in our powers to protect our dear children. We do not have to stand idle and watch our tax dollars wasted on agencies who fail so miserably to protect our most vulnerable.

    These agency employees are human too, are they not? They must have families, do they not? They must have consciences, have they not??? I can only imagine what is going through their minds every time they look in the mirror, knowing how they have so horrendously and unconscionably and possibly even criminally failed our children and all of us living on the West Coast of the U.S.

    I imagine there are some human rights attorneys already working to build their cases against these such dispicable acts of inaction our nation has witnessed since 3/11. Justice MUST prevail, as it is our ultimate duty -morally, ethically and legally-speaking – to protect those most vulnerable among us.


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    • jec jec

      Was the goal to make sure everyone got medical care via the OBAMACARE program. Heaven help them if emails get out with that kind of reasoning. Common sense has already been lost–just hope the "cause" was worth the coverup–but no idea what could be so important to on purpose hide critical information from the US public. Our next best example, Japan, does not give a warm and fuzzy feeling. Nor does the actions following the Gulf Oil Spill…and judges agreed..with a 7 Billion settlement to start with.
      Hope all the EPA and government's paid employees who are busy doing the radiation coverups are ready for the hard questions they are going to be asked. And the legal issues they could face-you can hide behind a political appointee position only so long.


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      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        Mass Panic is what they were trying to avoid and of course economic calamity. It was a global government cover-up and so it goes but we all knew how bad it was from the beginning and I know I instructed my grown children to stay out of the rain or at least use an umbrella or raincoat and if they got caught in the rain to bath asap. Although hearing the truth is always a tad more painful vs an assumption.


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        • What-About-The-Kids

          On one hand, I can understand an effort to avoid mass panic, but they could have handled it with caution, just saying it is advised to stay out of the rain for awhile.

          But the sad truth is "we" did not ALL know how bad it was. Most Americans and others around the world still have NO CLUE, thanks to the MSM blackout and efforts such as the above article demonstrates, of the NRC to downplay, deny, cover up.


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          • moonshellblue moonshellblue

            Many people do not wish to acknowledge the facts, pure and simple. Then there are those of us who want to know the truth, regardless of how bitter a pill it is to swallow and digest. I know people today who are scientists and chemists that refuse to discuss Fukushima and so I respect their wishes but will continue to support the anti-nuclear establishment without offending those who just cannot deal with what is happening. We are all individuals and thus handle stressful situations accordingly. Although, I must admit I do find it rather frustrating at times. JMHO


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            • What-About-The-Kids

              Yes, I agree and understand your point. Facing the terror of something potentially so huge, with such serious consequences is probably just too much for most people to handle well. I do not blame those who just cannot deal with it. As my screenname suggests, we must look at how our actions affect our children. Pursuing a known deadly industry as nuclear when we know it harms our and our children's health and our very DNA is morally wrong. Knowing we are dumping our nuclear waste storage problem onto our future generations in perpetuity is morally wrong. And failing to warn parents to keep their children out of the fallout raining down on them was morally WRONG.

              Still, I can see how having an entire society fearful of the potential health hazards which may await them due to exposure to Fuku Fallout could have dire consequences of its own. Our children need to feel safe and loves and taken care of. But if their parents are too stressed, it is our children who suffer the most. At the same time, parents need access to information on how to protect their children and themselves from exposure to radiation in order to live the healthiest lives possible, given the circumstances. Knowledge is power, as they say. Fortunately, enenews has a thread for just that! :-)


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          • StillJill StillJill

            I will no longer accept the "Fear of panic' excuse! For Christ's sake,….and I take The Name literally here,…..to say nothing,…. IS MURDER. Plain and simple! The world citizens DESERVED the dignity of self-determination of "panic", or 'what to do'!

            Learn to admit your mistakes governments, et.all.

            ONLY the TRUTH will pass the smell test! We are forgiving folk,…..time to get on your knees in private,….and then apologize in public! We can get over ANYTHING on our knees!


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      • What-About-The-Kids

        Jec, "God only knows" the real reason, as the saying goes, but as so many have repeatedly pointed out on this forum, "follow the money." You may remember the news early on after the initial explosions at Fuku, the U.S. rushing to Japan to sign a "no fault" agreement limiting the amount any nation can be sued by another nation due to any culpability in cases of nuclear accidents.

        "Nuclear": too expensive to insure, yet too expensive to decommission. What's a country to do? Hmmm…I know! Let's just keep building more, before the public finally wises up and demands no more nukes! /sarcasm

        NRC, you really believe you have now earned ANY mandate from the people to go ahead and relicense aging, death-spewing 40+ year old reactors, and build new ones in Georgia??? After this dispicable behavior in failing our children? Really? I know I'm not the only one here who believes that your inability to make sound decisions on behalf of protecting our children inspires LITTLE confidence in your other decision-making abilities.

        But alas, perhaps our anger is misdirected. Perhaps these folks were just following orders from a policy manual created long ago, by…?, which we, the minions are not privy to..

        "Do not EVER, EVER, admit fault, or that radiation from nuclear power of any form is harmful. And once anyone realizes it, it won't matter, because we'll have profited and lived a good life, and will be long-gone by then."

        But maybe, just maybe, this time, justice will be done. Our children, our very future, are counting on it.


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        • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

          Excellent point What-About-The-Kids!

          The scary part of this issue is what is getting little fan fare. That is, there could be a strong enough solar flare directed in Earth's direction that could completely shut down the U.S. electrical grid when it arrives. With only 3 to 5 days interim from blast to impact, it spells nuclear disaster to a magnitude almost incomprehensible to imagine.

          Will they know when the solar flare produced CME capable of disabling the electrical grid has happened? If they have forewarning will they have enough time to have all of the United States NPP's in cold shutdown?

          The chances of it happening are high and something the government has known for decades, and yet, absolutely no contingency plan whatsoever. If it does happen the United States will be a nuclear wasteland for the next 100,000yrs!


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      @What-About-The-Kids: appreciate your outrage and suggestions for justice. Problem is, the government (if you still deem to call it that), public health services, justice department and department of defense are controlled in a hierarchical fashion. Unless you're looking to lose your job and pension, you're likely to go-along to get-along. That's the harsh reality of all of this. If you read these stories, what begins to rise-up (like some gloomy radioactive mist) is the collusion and steely control that's being excerpted over these many agencies. I'm not completely sure as to why this condition's become so prevalent in many countries throughout the world. You'd think there would be those who'd advise against such obvious abuse of power. Then again, maybe that's what this is about; to create instability…


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      • What-About-The-Kids

        Salient points, Aftershock. See my comment above about that "manuel" which we may not be privy to.

        Still, as I mentioned, these persons working at these agencies ARE human beings, who, like Othello, have eyes, and hearts and families and feel pain at the loss of loved ones. So it it to their HUMANITY that I appeal. For if this event is as serious a threat to the viability and health of human and otherto life as many here believe it is, then what is there to lose?

        If by speaking up, or quiting their job in order to make a statement (just as the former G.E. nuclear engineers did to protest the known safety flaws of their NPP designs), they can then sleep better, knowing their conscience is clear and they did their part to prevent the further needless exposure of our children and all living things to deadly radiation, then would that not be worth all the gold in Fort Knox? (or wherever it is stashed these days…?)


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      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex taking control of the government.


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      Shortly after reading your post I found the site below, which made your point all the more troublesome. The last sentence in the quotation below is particularly poignant:

      "What is the proof that Ki WorKs?
      After the 1986 Chornobyl (formerly called
      “Chernobyl”) nuclear accident, shifting winds
      blew a radioactive cloud over Europe. As many
      as 3,000 people exposed to that radiation
      developed thyroid cancer over the next 10
      years. Most victims had been babies or young
      children living in Ukraine, Belarus, or Russia at
      the time of the accident. The region of excess
      risk extended up to a 200 mi radius from
      Chornobyl. Poland, immediately adjacent to
      Belarus and Ukraine, distributed KI to >95%
      of their children within 3 days of the accident
      and does not appear to have had an increase
      in thyroid cancer."

      http://www.thyroid.org/patients/brochures/NuclearRadiation_brochure.pdf


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  • Jack Jack

    Here it is only March and I think I have already found the "quote of the year". It is an excerpt from an email I received. "I can't advise you on the business end of establishing farms or dairys, but please don't be concerned with radionuclides. Again, the Food and Drug Administration have people who can speak with much greater knowledge about any food or agricultural issues."

    Shelly Rosenblum
    Radiation & Indoor Environments Teams
    EPA / AIR-6
    75 Hawthorne St
    San Francisco, CA 94105
    415-947-4193 fax: 3583
    rosenblum.shelly@epa.gov


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Amazing, the vital information that was withheld.


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  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    justice? na, costs too much.


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    #Fukushima, US plodding on nuclear plant fixes, watchdog says – CSMonitor.com http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0306/Year-after-Fukushima-US-plodding-on-nuclear-plant-fixes-watchdog-says
    The Union of Concerned Scientists are very unhappy with the NRC.


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    • Kevin Kevin

      The union of concerned scientists "lauded" the NRC for its reaction to Fukushima in the early days! This was reported in the story you are linking to and what i commented on down further in thread.

      The tackle them a bit for not moving on anything since fukushima but, when this conversation in the transcript which outlined their cover up the UofCS is applauding them.

      I am going to write a story and send a copy to the Union of Concerned scietistsand hopefull they will correct their observations!!!!


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    For some reason, I find myself preoccupied with the question of whether "Mike" should suffer more or less for the destruction of, and suffering by, our children.

    He is apparently the only one in the conversation who is not a sociopath, the only one to suggest that the public be warned.

    Does that make his silence worse, or better than the others, as they all stood by and let the entire nation's children (there are no State borders in the jet stream) be exposed to deadly poison needlessly?

    I don't know why I should care about Mike right now, knowing the way my daughter's life has been destroyed, it really shouldn't matter at all. The tricks our brains' play to get us through the apocalypse.


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  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    Most of us knew just how bad things were last March. People on this site knew we were being dosed from Fukushima and we all know what they mean when they claim radiation levels are too low to impact health and start comparing the doses to X-rays, etc. I just feel sorry for the people that listened and trusted the powers that be. This does not come as a shock to the Enenews community or does it? I for one am not shocked, disappointed perhaps, but not surprised.


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    • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

      Yeah I'm not either. A bit puzzled though with the continuing silence even after these recent releases this month.


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      • aigeezer aigeezer

        What releases? I didn't see a thing on CNN (nor do I expect to).


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        • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

          I meant the recent NRC FOIA documents. I haven't seen anything on television nor expect to either.


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          • aigeezer aigeezer

            Sorry LetThemEatYellowCake, I was being sarcastic and should have flagged it.

            Some years ago I watched another FOIA scandal come out drip by drip. The perps just ignored it, and sure enough it all got forgotten and it faded away with no apparent consequences.

            To us at Enenews, these things are one smoking gun after another. To msm, they appear not to exist.


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            • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

              hahah totally went over my head although I thought it kind of an odd question from you!LOL

              I hear ya bout the media – seems it's no different than the public in pretending it doesn't exist. Unfortunately, with a 4+ rem dose, it can't be ignored forever without consequence. I knew it, and know it, but like moonshellblue says, a bit more stomach churning to see in print today.


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      • NoNukes NoNukes

        The point is that these sociopaths, who speak so calmly, have put millions, billions of innocent children in grave danger. When your thyroid is destroyed, it affects every organ in your body, especially your brain. The pills that they pretend replace the thyroid not only fail to replace the thyroid, but cause new injuries.

        It is insane that 10 microSieverts is the limit and these madmen are calmly dismissing a 40,000 microSieverts dose. Can you give the link to where this "model" was posted on Enenews? We all knew the plants exploded but we didn't have this information. I don't understand why you are downplaying this. As matina eloquently put it, "they've turned the N.Hemispere into a giant gas-death-chamber."


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    • entropy

      I ve known all along it was being played like they were holding the devil back and kept having surprising luck.
      The physics of the whole thing made this implausible as we all saw here. In my readings as a novice 40 rem is a death sentence. Stilljill, I am sad and outraged as well.use that rage to break the ruptured structures built of age.


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  • Kevin Kevin

    This harkens back to mere days after the explosions.

    President Obama today told Americans that they should NOT prepare for radiation from the possible meltdown of the Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan. His exact quote: "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and public health experts do not recommend people in the U.S. take precautionary measures beyond staying informed."

    Another fine quote for the memoirs.

    How exactly is one to "stay informed" when those responsible for "informing" are busy covering up.

    And to recommend, "doing nothing to prepare" is less than an attempt to mitigate mass panic and more an outright criminal piece of advice.


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      • Kevin Kevin

        Thanks Aftershock,

        The question that rises as a result is what was the president told by whom and when. If, as this post seems to indicate, people had knowledge of the sort discussed here, and as is subsequently stated, they decided to not share the information with the public it is not a stretch to imagine that included the president.

        I am sure the spin machine surrounding Obama would have worded this response differently had they had the information we are seeing dicussed here.

        A coordinated coverup often involves providing politicians with backgrounders and talking points, based on recomendations of those in the know. Given that the data was being determined through various codes and matrices as indicated in the discussion posted, it is very likely that the advice given to the white house ommitted the type of findings being discussed here.


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          @Kevin: Obama is a negligible player in all of this. They used the cloak of national security to wrap his presentation within. National security is intertwined with economics. This harsh truth is what brought-about the Atoms for Peace program and lingers on (like the pall of death that it is) these many decades later…


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          • Kevin Kevin

            This conversation took place March 17th that admin posted.

            A quick google search yields this story:

            Obama says harmful radiation will not reach U.S.
            Market PulseMarch 17, 2011|Greg Robb
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            WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — President Barack Obama stressed Thursday that he does not expect harmful levels of radiation from Japan to reach the United States, Hawaii or other U.S. territories in the Pacific. "That is the judgment of our Nuclear Regulatory Commission and many other experts," Obama said in brief remarks about Japan's nuclear crisis in the Rose Garden. Obama defended the U.S. decision to warn citizens not to go within 50 miles of the crippled Japanese plant even though this was a wider radius that the warnings from the Japanese government. Obama promised he would keep the American people "fully updated" on the crisis. "I believe you must know what I know as president," Obama said.

            So no harmful radiation will not reach the United states reads the headline.

            And Obamas says directly

            "That is the judgment of our Nuclear Regulatory Commission and many other experts,"

            And closes with

            Obama promised he would keep the American people "fully updated" on the crisis. "I believe you must know what I know as president," Obama said.

            Which seems to be definitive information stating that Obama is relaying what the NRC told him. This is dated March 17th 2011 same day as the transcript above

            find it here: http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-03-17/news/30870875_1_harmful-radiation-president-barack-obama-japanese-plant


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        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          It's from the top down….
          Pg. 246 ..line 14.
          Scott Morris.."We did get language from the White House..but I would…"
          Response…Male participant…OK.


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        • aigeezer aigeezer

          Much too soon to know for sure, I think. For what it's worth, I once saw two FOIA documents, identical in every word, except that one was an internal briefing by a very junior bureaucrat and the other was a statement by a government minister to the media. The elected official accepted the fluff from his junior staffer verbatim. Other FOIA material demonstrated that the material was false and misleading. Another place, another time, but bureaucrats always do what bureaucrats do, I think.


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        • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

          @Kevin

          I believe the Department of Energy (DOE)kept the White House informed through the National Security Council (NSC) which is located in the White House and reports directly to the President. It was the media and lower level employees of the NRC who were fed innocuous information. Kindly note that the entire Obama family went to South America at the time the first spike in radiation reached the United States.

          I doubt even the most pro-nuke person would dare withhold information as serious as that known by the NRC from the President. If they did, they would have done so at their peril.

          At least this is my understanding from what I have read of the FOIA documents (about 1,000 pages so far).


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          • Kevin Kevin

            This is a valid point.

            I agree that withholding the info would have been a tough decision which is why I think it must have been the source, or the NRC that made the decision. Based on their track record and the quotes from the transcipt clearly stating that they would not reveal it to the public.

            That said. This chain of command you state makes sense. However it is tough for us to know what route the info took.

            We need to FOIA the briefing for the press conference.

            Even if just find out who was in attendance. It would help, but knowing who told obama what and when would be nice.

            Regardless this story is HUGE and we should be talking about how we get it out!


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          • Kevin Kevin

            NoPrevarication,

            you said you were pouring over about a 1000 pages of the FOIA and you went on to say that

            I believe the Department of Energy (DOE)kept the White House informed through the National Security Council (NSC) which is located in the White House and reports directly to the President

            This audio file released by the NRC claims that meetings were held, called by the whitehouse, that had Jazcko tapped to attend. I am wondering if this conflicts with your noion that I quoted and if you came across anything about this 'deputies meeting' called by the whitehouse that the nrc chair attended along with a reactor safety team expert. In the clip they say the lower level NRC types were needed to support Jazcko for this meeting.

            TO me it seems that we have found the reporting structure that ties the NRC directly to the president and may supercede the conduit you define that involves the DOE and the NSA etc.

            Here is the audio released by the NRC that reports this detail and note that the christian science monitor piece I posted also claims the NRC reported directly to Capital Hill.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHl-5fzsbVE&feature=autoplay&list=UU9FZGPhjQXkmcDbFgoomsDw&lf=plcp&playnext=7

            (and yes I was all to aware of Obamas excursion to the southern hemisphere at this time, it troubled me then and continues to bug me now)


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  • khaake

    Can somebody put this dose into perspective for those of us who are not well informed? How high of a dose is this, compared to 'normal' background radiation (daily, yearly, or lifetime, etc.)?


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    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

      i don't know if there is a comparison to be made. radioactive iodine is mostly unheard of naturally, little childrens thyroids are very small and eagerly and thoroughly absorb it. There's no threashold dose so any small amount of radioactive iodine can be, and more often is, a very big problem. there's millions of kids(and adults) been affected.


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      • entropy

        I can think of at least two people, adults, who suffered thyroid problems. They had both thyroid problems that were under control prior to fuku. It will first be the weak immune system that will be effected.


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    • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

      Modern survival blog has this which may give you an idea: http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/radiation-geiger-counter-the-radiation-network/

      The unit of absorbed radiation dose is the sievert (Sv). Since one sievert is a large quantity, radiation doses normally encountered are expressed in milliSievert (mSv) or microSievert (µSv) which are one-thousandth or one millionth of a sievert. For example, one chest X-ray will give about 0.2 mSv of radiation dose.

      On average, our annual radiation exposure due to all natural sources is about 300 milliRem, which is equivalent to 3 milliSieverts (3 mSv). Adding man-made sources (medical procedures, and others) the average annual U.S. radiation dose is about 600 milliRem, which is equivalent to 6 milliSieverts (6 mSv).


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    • Sky775

      It seems to be a projected worst case scenario where a young child is drinking a lot of milk from cows eating I-131 contaminated grass. Remember UC Berkeley was doing independent testing. Milk never got worse than 1 Bq/L and the air concentrations of I-131 were small.

      If a US child somehow got a 40mSv thyroid dose, which I seriously doubt given the monitoring data, there would be some level of increase in the chance of thyroid cancer.


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      • Arizonan Arizonan

        This 4 rem dose though is projected over a year for a thyroid of a size that is in a one-year-old's body. Just because the independent Berkeley tests have shown us the ever minutely increasing picocuries of caesium in CA milk, does not tell us enough about I131 doses in the first month, nor those that have continued to affect young children drinking milk since last March. There are MUCH more scientific ways to judge whether or not the projection actually occurred: TEST the I-131 content of the actual thyroids of actual one-year old children in California NOW. Collect the DATA, oh almighty health physicist calculators, don't just rely on projected numbers. Collect empirical evidence. Oh, that's right. No one is doing that. Why not? Because then you would probably have more evidence of criminal negligence by the NRC and other co-conspirators, and the feds might have to cough up some money for health care for these kids. Maybe it was or maybe it wasn't as bad as the 4 rem projections above: but why is no one testing NOW to find out???????????????????????????????????????


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        • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

          Hi Arizonian, I agree TEST TEST TEST! and this 4 rem dose over a year was calculated prior to March 17. Does NOT take into account the subsequent releases over the past year either. just sickening.


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    • matina matina

      the dose limit in microSieverts per year is 10 microSievert per year
      yes, you've read well….and as we are speaking of Iodine 131 the limit of the 10 microSievert/year is very easily achieved as follows: for an adult with 455 Bq of I-131
      for a 10 year old child with 192 Bq of I-131
      and Bqfor a 2 year old child with 55Bq of I-131
      please note that girls are more succeptible than boys

      the situation is very, very grave…..without even considering all those hot fuel flees that have set up camp in childrens lungs, bloodstream and other organs…….they've turned the N.Hemispere into a giant gas-death-chamber


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  • matina matina

    and as it is hard for people to understand in practical terms i'll give an example. lets say your young child is drinking milk as Sky775 above metnioned that has a contamination of 1Bq/liter of 1Bq/kilogramm , than the maximum permissable yearly dose will be achieved within 2-3 weeks. for an adult the consamption of 10Bq/lit or kg will have the same effect.


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    • Sky775

      OK yeah, I follow your math assuming a maximum dose of 5 mSv and that the child is drinking a liter a day. I'm glad I avoided milk in March and April and take the RDA of iodine as a matter of course.

      @Arizonan, you are aware that I-131 has an 8-day half life, right?


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      • Arizonan Arizonan

        Yes, thanks. References above to dose 'in the first month' are on assumption that I131 kept getting pumped out of plant at higher rate for that time, and still does so at lower level, due to intermittent criticalities. They just found I-131 in the groundwater at Mianisoma, for example, so with an 8-day half-life, some fissioning is going on somewhere.


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  • matina matina

    to convert a dietery intake in Bq into a dose of microSievert you only have to multiply the amount in Bq X 0.11= and you get the dose in microSievert


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  • matina matina

    and as the states use picocouries per litre you can converd those into Bq by multiplying them with 0.037
    amount in pci x 0.037 = amount in Bq


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The Force thinks it is time to put the Nuclear boys and girls out of business.

    Its time to shut down all these Nuclear Power Plants worldwide. This has been simply one Nuclear Nightmare and folly one after another since the beginning and the Wise Ones have had enough and say it is time to shut them all down.

    This Nuclear Industry is now affecting the world wide weather patterns on a grand scale and it has been a very bad ride for most of those who have had to endure the consequences of this Nuclear Technology application.

    Are we all feeling lucky today and are you carrying enough insurance premiums on everything?


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    RT @1CaptD http://t.co/HbWoYNJq
    Obama Administration: No Confidence in Nuclear Energy
    Glad to see CaptD getting the hang of Tweeting. He will be a much ADDED VOICE in tweeting!!


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  • Kevin Kevin

    I wrote the following letter to the Vancouver Sun at the time. It was not published.

    Dear Editor,

    On April 7th your newspaper printed a "Special to the Vancouver Sun" letter by Anthony Britneff who responds favourably to Patrick Moore, one of the leading orchestrators of the chorus of Pro nuclear "experts," commentators and notable prominent environmentalists supporting the nuclear power industry. In so doing he singled out Helen Caldicott as a "propagandist" who opposes the nuclear industry while agreeing with the former outspoken Greenpeace founder, as well as, newly minted nuclear mouthpiece George Monbiot.

    In the interest of balanced reporting and in an effort to maintain the credibility of your newspaper you should point readers to prominent, well credentialed and completely legitimate sources such as Helen Caldicott, Christopher Busbyand Arnie Gunderson. These three thoroughly qualified researchers and unbiased observers have spent a lifetime critiquing an industry that has very few valid critics and certainly are not "propagandists." Elsewhere, major publications have indeed run material authored by Mrs. Caldicott, notably yesterday in the Guardian and in Newsweek.

    Given that fallout from the Fukushima disaster has been detected around the world, including here in Canada as far away as Ontario, and that the CFIA has begun testing milk samples in British Columbia (as reported in the "Alberta Farmer," despite mainstream news reports to the contrary) I would urge our Province's paper of record to begin offering a more balanced reportage of the radiation situation in our Province.

    A drinking water advisory has been issued in the Queen Charlottes by a band official after the Federal Government removed 9 mobile testing units from the field and returned them to Victoria without adequate explanation, yet neither this nor the CFIA release concerning milk testing has been printed in your paper.

    Cont…


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    • Kevin Kevin

      British Columbians must instead turn to a magazine designed for Alberta's farming community to learn that our milk is being tested. Throughout the coastal United States radiation has been detected in both drinking water and milk which prompts me to believe the same risk exists on our coast as radiation has already been detected in both seaweed and rainwater, which contributes to the bulk of our province's potable water.

      It is important that "credible" news sources do not incite panic or undue alarm, however an abundance of caution and balanced reporting is undoubtedly required given that this nuclear disaster has just recently been officially designated by the government of Japan at the highest possible rating – on par with that of Chernobyl – in terms of catastrophic nuclear disasters.

      British Columbians want to know exactly what levels of radiation we are being exposed to and exactly what precautions we can take to protect our children from even the remotest possibility of impact from the Fukushima nuclear reactor explosions and subsequent release of radioactivity.

      My letter above was in response to a piece that attacked Helen Caldicott as a anti nuke shill who was famos for fearmongering.

      It was clear to me that this, the newspaper of record for BC and Canadas West Coast, was performing damage control and I felt that some semblence of balance was necessary in order for people to respond appropriately.

      Despite the cover up I recall at the time that Iodine tablets were no where to be found, and even noticed people stocking up on things like spinach and other vegetables while shopping at local stores.

      So there was some understanding here despite the cover up being disclosed in this post which is encouraging.


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        @Kevin: incredibly good stuff! I'm impressed with its structure and points…


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        • Kevin Kevin

          thank you aftershock,

          I was disappointed it was not published at the time, despite having the Vancouver Sun publish my stuff in the past.

          However I had a strong indication it would not be. Many of us made extraordinary efforts in BC to get the message out, I spread ENENEWS around to contacts throughout the Province since its the websites inception. A committee was struck by folks I communicate with including a founder of Greenpeace, whom worked to gain attention to the issue. One local newspaper in a remote town on Vancouver Island printed one of their press releases. The rest of the media ignored the effort.

          There was also pressure applied to DFO to look at the impact on Salmon. !2 salmon were tested, with no information about where the samples were obtained, of course no results were released that were contrary to the " no health effects " mantra.

          It has been very challening, as we all here can attest to, but good people have and continue to put alot of effort into making people aware.


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  • James2

    The NRC is releasing this because this because there is now a Federal Investigation underway and the rats are either trying to hide in the shadows or go "Tonto" right here with us

    What they don't realize is that all the documentation required is already prepared against them and has been for months. I tried to warn the ones here, but they heeded no warning and just kept shilling and shilling. As I said before, I will have no problem putting these criminals behind bars – or more.

    They will do the terrorist walk eventually.


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  • Kevin Kevin

    And how about this from Todays Christian Science Monitor.

    "The Union of Concerned Scientists lauds the NRC for its initial reaction to the Fukushima nuclear meltdown, but warns it is dragging its feet on safety recommendations for US nuclear plants."

    See it here:
    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0306/Year-after-Fukushima-US-plodding-on-nuclear-plant-fixes-watchdog-says


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    • Kevin Kevin

      This piece from the Christian Science montior goes on to say:

      "The initial response of the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) to the Fukushima tragedy was commendable,” the report authors write. “As the disaster evolved, the agency fielded a large number of inquiries – such as from the media, the American public, and Capitol Hill – in a timely and responsive manner.”

      Which seems to indicate, as i commented above, that the NRC was responsible for briefing quote " Capital Hill."

      IF this posting admin has posted at the top is any indication. It is likely the NRC is the responsible body for providing the briefing material to the white house administration resulting in the presidents quote at the time which I posted and commented on above:

      President Obama today told Americans that they should NOT prepare for radiation from the possible meltdown of the Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan. His exact quote: "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and public health experts do not recommend people in the U.S. take precautionary measures beyond staying informed."

      I am going to do some digging and see if we can find more details about who told the president what and if the NRC did in fact misinform the president as this post seems to indicate.


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      • Kevin Kevin

        A quick google search yields this story:

        Obama says harmful radiation will not reach U.S.
        Market PulseMarch 17, 2011|Greg Robb
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        WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — President Barack Obama stressed Thursday that he does not expect harmful levels of radiation from Japan to reach the United States, Hawaii or other U.S. territories in the Pacific. "That is the judgment of our Nuclear Regulatory Commission and many other experts," Obama said in brief remarks about Japan's nuclear crisis in the Rose Garden. Obama defended the U.S. decision to warn citizens not to go within 50 miles of the crippled Japanese plant even though this was a wider radius that the warnings from the Japanese government. Obama promised he would keep the American people "fully updated" on the crisis. "I believe you must know what I know as president," Obama said.

        So no harmful radiation will reach the United states reads the headline.

        And Obamas says directly

        "That is the judgment of our Nuclear Regulatory Commission and many other experts,"

        And closes with

        Obama promised he would keep the American people "fully updated" on the crisis. "I believe you must know what I know as president," Obama said.

        Which seems to be definitive information stating that Obama is relaying what the NRC told him. This is dated March 17th 2011


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      • vital1 vital1

        What does this tell us about their priorities?

        Protect the nuclear industry at all cost, let the people die!

        Madness!


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        • Kevin Kevin

          People must pay attention to what I have posted here!

          You are right Vital 1.

          This information is explosive.

          I was posting it as I was digging it up, but here it is in a nutshell.

          Shortly after the explosions the President states:

          "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and public health experts do not recommend people in the U.S. take precautionary measures beyond staying informed."

          Then on March 17th as the NRC is discussing radiation exposure in the United States, with the NRC Chair (man most responsible for information and briefing the POTUS) and the conversation looks like this:

          MR. LEWIS [Robert Lewis, Director of NRC's Division of Preparedness and Response]:"We are looking to engage further with Sandia to make some modifications to the (inaudible) to effectuate those dose estimates in California. In conjunction with that, there was a DITTRA and NARAC dose estimate that was done for California that we obtained as part of the DOE briefing package. And those were estimating what we believe to be very high doses to children, and a thyroid (inaudible) dosage.
          (Break)
          We did find some and (inaudible) dose activity per area of deposits that were estimated — I think they were provided from DITTRA. We did the same dose calculations with those concentrations, and the doses were approximately 1,000 times lower. So we were in the one to 10 millirem range versus full rem range, which was — full rem thyroid dose range, which was being (inaudible) by DOE and DOE (inaudible).

          Then This

          MIKE: Okay. And where — is this information being considered for releasing publicly, like we do with the press release?

          MR. LEWIS: Which information are you speaking about?

          MIKE: I'm talking about these projected dose models, the models that you — the ones that you are doing and coordinating with other agencies, is there some thought about releasing that publicly?

          MR. LEWIS: We have not had that discussion at this time.

          Continued


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          • Whoopie Whoopie

            Waiting for it Kevin. Saving to disc as soon as you do.


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          • Kevin Kevin

            MIKE: And don't take that as a suggestion to (inaudible). I'm just curious as to how we came upon doing that with our press release, and then, are we advocating that for any future press releases here for doses in the U.S.?

            MR. DORMAN: Mike, this is Dan. No. No, we're not planning any press release with this information.

            On THAT VERY SAME DAY THE POTUS IS SAYING

            President Barack Obama stressed Thursday that he does not expect harmful levels of radiation from Japan to reach the United States, Hawaii or other U.S. territories in the Pacific. "That is the judgment of our Nuclear Regulatory Commission and many other experts," Obama said in brief remarks about Japan's nuclear crisis in the Rose Garden. Obama defended the U.S. decision to warn citizens not to go within 50 miles of the crippled Japanese plant even though this was a wider radius that the warnings from the Japanese government. Obama promised he would keep the American people "fully updated" on the crisis. "I believe you must know what I know as president," Obama said.

            This is clear evidence of the cover up!!!!

            The NRC higher ups are dicussing dose rates in the US and the president is saying the NRC is telling him that there is no harmful radiation reaching united states.

            This right here should mean the end the of JAZCKO the NRC Chair!!!!

            And the Union of Concerned Scientist must review this information and alter their opinion about how upstanding the NRC was in response to the disaster as claimed in todays Christian Science Monitor. It is clear they misinformed everyone, intentionaly including the president of the United States. The NRC and its chair should be hung from the highest tree. It must be a crime to lie to the president and put Americans at risk!

            And Union of Concerned Scientists should release a statement to counter this information they continue to spread up and including today that the NRC should be "lauded" for their performance at this time.


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      • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

        @Kevin

        No conclusion from this press release can be reached as to whether or not the NRC (or others) fully informed the President at that time. Since the President's speech in the Rose Garden, many opportunities to level with the public have passed.

        An iron fist has clamped down on this story. As I said earlier, no major newspaper or television network or international newspaper for that matter have reported the truth so far. Even the alternative press on the web does not report the facts other than three or four websites which have begun to dribble the information out in a disjointed way.

        I doubt the sources I have mentioned above would defer to the likes of the NRC unless they knew that the blackout came from the highest levels in this country.

        The few news articles and videos from the MSM that have surfaced attempt to convince the public that we in the U.S. have nothing to fear. And remember, General Electric (GE) certainly knew since they were called upon immediately to assist Japan according to the documents.


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        • Whoopie Whoopie

          Like this one NP? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/06/japan-tsunami-anniversary_n_1317201.html
          ENOUGH OF THE BULLSHIT! ENOUGH OF PRAISING THOSE WHO SURVIVED THE TSUNAMI! We KNEW they'd bombard us with 1 YEAR ANNIVERSARY crap!! EXPECT MORE..and more and more. I'm sick of IT already!!


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        • Kevin Kevin

          I am not sure exactly what you are saying here about no conclusion can be made.

          The point is, we have proof, that the NRC knew one thing and said another to the president as I have outlined.

          Its very clear and concise.

          The President says " I believe the American people should be fully updated and know what the president knows" and " according to the NRC there is no harmful radiation that is goign to reach the united states"

          This on the same day the NRC is discussing how much harmful radiation is going to reach the united states.

          Case closed.


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          • Whoopie Whoopie

            i hear you kevin. CASE CLOSED
            WRITING RIGHT NOW…EMAIL


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          • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

            @Kevin

            You are making the assumption that the NRC failed to fully advise the President (because the President said something else). I am not making that assumption. I believe the President failed to fully disclose what he knew publicly due to considerations of the panic that might ensue following such a revelation.

            Question: How do you evacuate millions of people from California? It can't be done in a timely way. It would be tantamount to crying "fire" in a crowded theater.

            And, we must remember, the NRC came to doubt the IAEA information they were being fed after a few days. Their goal (at least as far as I have read) was only to transmit known facts, not conjecture or suppositions. That said, this is not to say that they may not have passed their conjectures along as pure "conjecture" to those above them in the hierarchy.

            Is it your belief that the President still does not know the truth????? Nobody who valued their job would keep such critical information from the President.

            However, I could be wrong about this.


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            • Kevin Kevin

              ITs a good and valid point you raise, one which I considered.

              However we do have, in the transcript, an admission by the NRC that they do not want to go public.

              And when you listen to the president he clearly states things that he would not if in fact he was advised differently from the NRC.

              That said, the whole point is that the NRC had the data and the President held a press conference saying that they had ensure him things were different than the data they are discussing here and covering up.

              I agree we cannot know exactly where the "lie" is, but the lie is there regardless.

              Which is my point.

              I lean on the NRC based on the data they had, their admission to not go public and what the president said.

              But I could be wrong as well.


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            • Kevin Kevin

              NP,

              Maidenheaven posts this, which makes it hard to believe they told the president anything different.

              Thanks Kevin.

              No danger to U.S. from Japan radiation: NRC chief

              March 17, 2011
              WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Radiation from the crippled Japanese nuclear power plant does not cause a danger to the United States, said Gregory Jaczko, the chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission on Thursday. "I just want to reiterate that we don't see any concern from radiation levels that could be harmful here in the United States or any of the U.S. territories," Jaczko said at a White House briefing.


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          • Kevin Kevin

            See the presidents full address on Fukushima from the rose Garden. Where he states the information he was provided by the NRC.

            IT was a major press conference. The briefing would have been up to the minute. It was a thorough addressing of the issues.

            The president at 2:30 in the interview states and REPEATS:

            That the NRC says "NO RADIATION will reach America, the west coast, Hawaii or Alaska!

            It is the primary focus of a huge press conference!!!!

            YOU MUST REVIEW IT TO BELIEVE IT!

            here it is http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/17/president-obama-we-will-stand-people-japanhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/17/president-obama-we-will-stand-people-japan

            Rmember he is saying this on the same day the conversation took place that admin posted above where the NRC is clearly outlining that it has data that says its coming here!!!!

            PEOPLE THIS IS THE TURNING POINT!

            This data must be seen and understood!

            The NRC should be finished as a result!!!!!


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            • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

              I just had to add, that evacuating California may not be possible, but what was possible was to give out K1 tablets & to stop the sale of Milk & to tell people to stay indoors & out of the rain. If not enough K! tablets for everyone right away you give to the children first.


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              • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

                March 14, 2011

                Speaking at the White House, Gregory Jaczko said there is "a very low probability" of harmful radiation levels affecting any U.S. territories, and that the government is providing technical assistance to Japanese officials in response to the crisis at Fukushima No. 1 (Daiichi) nuclear power plant.

                White House spokesman Jay Carney said that President Obama has been briefed multiple times since Friday's earthquake and tsunami. The White House counter-terrorism advisor, John Brennan, is coordinating the administration's response.

                http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/14/news/la-pn-white-house-nuclear-response-20110315


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              • Kevin Kevin

                Yes Maiden, you put your finger on a key point that is sometimes used to justify the misinformation campaign. Some people believe it is justified due to the fact that there was nothing that could be done to mitigate the disaster and that evacuating areas is/was impossible.

                This reaoning becomes similar to war time decision making and communications. You take your losses and let the cards fall where they may while communicating best case scenarios or out right lies.

                I am sympathetic to this reasoning, however, I also think it is possible to communicate things in such a way that people are informed enough to make their own decisions.

                This is very tricky in legal terms as well. There are many factors that come together and force the decision makers to look the other way and launch the misinformation campaign.

                In other instances things are communicated in just the right way to mitigate against liability and avoid logistical and political complications. This is often done by releasing information that can be assessed by individuals who have a handle on the situation and are able to comprehend that what is being communicated is enough for you to take action on based on your ability to follow through what is being said to its logical undeniable conclusion.

                These nuances were abandoned in this instance. And replaced with an complete and utter black out at many many levels.

                In the end I feel there was ample opportunity to address these issues and not incite panick, mitigate liability, overcome logistical complications and also properly inform people interested enough in making the right decisions for themselves and their families.


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                • James2

                  Sorry Kevin, this is complete out and out rationalization of criminal behavior.

                  Why would anybody think that evacuating areas was impossible?

                  Why would anybody think that an effort to lie and coverup the truth is their right?

                  Why would anybody think that "legal liability" is more important than people's lives? This is precisely the definition of crimes against humanity – trading lives for money or power. Whoever launched and participated in a misinformation campaign should be tried and executed for those crimes.

                  This is not wartime – these are not soldiers – these are families. These are children, babies.


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              • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

                Absolutely! They all should be hung for failing to advise people how to protect themselves as best they could. That failure is unforgivable.


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    I JUST SAVED THIS ENTIRE THREAD TO DISC.
    So many great comments…and VERY IMPORTANT INFO TO KEEP.


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  • ShineTheLight

    @sky777and others of similar ilk who might try to downplay this news this a calculated dose for an infant!

    Infants are generally receiving 100% of their nutritional need via breast milk or infant formula for the first six months of life. The majority of the infant formula is dairy-based. Iodine-131 can also pass into the mother's milk.

    Infants have immature immunological systems that have difficulty mitigating such exposures.

    Additionally, they are in a rapid growth phase of human development and highly nutrient needy.

    They are of small mass.

    This Energy News posts is about Iodine-131, but you can bet that the milk sheds were also high in Cesium and Strontium-90. Limited testing at UCB has given us a glimpse of the cesium contamination in the Northern California. Wait till the strontium figures (if ever) are released.

    These isotopes mimic nutrients that the body requires for growth. Such as Strontium-90, replacing calcium in the body. Again, because the unborn, infants and children are rapidly growing any ingestion of these particles is dangerous. They bio-accumulate in the body and continue to emit radioactive energy leading to cancer and other maladies.

    Anyone with an infant or child should be greatly concerned. Don't let a pro-nuke poster, your doctor or politician tell you otherwise.


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    • vital1 vital1

      There have been large numbers of human deaths in North America and Japan as result of this massive nuclear disaster. This first wave of deaths where a result of the waves of radioactive Iodine that hit Japan and North America. A lot of these deaths could have been prevented if the populace had been informed.

      The initial estimate for the USA is 14,000 for the first 14 weeks. Total for the period from March to December 2011 100,000. For Japan I saw an estimate of 40,000 for the March to December period. This number is minus those killed by the tsunami.

      A large number of those deaths in both countries where under 1 year old because they where most affected by the high levels of radioactive iodine bio-accumulated through the food chain.

      The only reason we know this is because brave researchers have been willing to pass on the information from their research findings.

      Radio active iodine 131 has a half life of 8 days but you need to multiply this by ten (80 days) to get to the point where it is completely decayed to levels that are considered harmless.


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      • Kevin Kevin

        You are rigth there have been peer reviewed studies claiming 18,000 or more deaths as a result of Fukushima.

        How many would have been averted if the NRC did not lie to the president?

        Watch what the president said in a press conference called to address this issue and this issue only here:

        See what the NRC was saying on the same day as the press conference by looking at the top of this thread and see that they planned on net releasing the information to the public.

        ITS A CRIME AND HERE IS THE EVIDENCE!


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        • StillJill StillJill

          Kevin,…are you saying that the President DIDN'T lie to us? Are you saying he didn't know when he made those announcements to NOT PREPARE? You keep saying, "if the NRC hadn't lied to him." Why the cover for O'Bummer? I feel in my sick-gut that he did know,…OBVIOUSLY because Hillary knew.

          And again,…..if he didn't know, which I don't believe,…he sure as hell SHOULD have!


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          • Kevin Kevin

            No that is not the point I am making.

            Why would you ask what I am saying when what I have said is clear?

            Let me be perfectly clear.

            Since you bring up the politics of it.

            In my opinion, the president would not call a press conference, a huge press conference, in the rose garden to address this issue (this was the only one he did on the issue) and lie.

            If you watch the press conference, this data is the entire purpose of it, HE REPEATS twice, that the NRC TOLD HIM that no radiation will reach america, hawaii or alaska! He then closes with the same notion.

            Had the NRC told him what they were discussing here, there is no way that would have happened.

            AND the NRC discussion here is that they intend not to make it public.

            NOW there is a possibility that the somewhere between the NRC briefing the president and the president delivering his speech, that someone decided to advice the president to very clearly say "NOTHING WILL REACH THE US ACCORDING TO THE NRC" then repeat "NOTHING WILL REACH THE US ACCORDING TO THE NRC" despite the NRC having told you that high doses will reach the united states.

            You decide.

            See the conference here and listen to the language.

            http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/17/president-obama-we-will-stand-people-japan

            DO you believe the NRC told the president that their data says large amounts of radiation would reach the US and he refused it and then said things like the things he said in his press conference?

            And if this occurred would not the NRC take issue with it?

            Maybe its a grand conspiracy and this data being released now is the NRC's way to get back at obama for blaming them for making the claim. Its an election year!

            Personally, what i see here is the NRC talking about their data, deciding not to go public with it (as is clear in the transcript) and then simply telling the president what the president said in the press conference he called to tell the people.


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            • StillJill StillJill

              Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding,….give this man a prize!
              "DO you believe the NRC told the president that their data says large amounts of radiation would reach the US and he refused it and then said things like the things he said in his press conference?"

              That my good man, is EXACTLY what I think, Yes!


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              • aigeezer aigeezer

                StillJill, your belief of the president's guilt is irrelevant at this stage – it is an opinion without evidence. Set it aside for now, if you can, and come back to it later.

                There is evidence of a cover up that goes up to (and possibly includes) the president. It doesn't matter yet where that buck stops.

                What matters most (now) is that the story gets out into the public consciousness.

                If the story gets into msm headlines, then either the NRC will have to throw the president under a bus or the president will have to throw the NRC under a bus. For purposes of shutting down the industry, either outcome is a "win".

                Settling political scores is a different issue that can go on a back burner for a few months.

                I don't share your belief on this one because I think it is unlikely that wily political creatures like the NRC members would let themselves be set up in that presidential press conference. If they had briefed the president fully would they really have remained silent while he said they did not? It's possible, but I don't think it is likely. I particularly don't think it is likely because these transcripts reveal they hide material from the public as a matter of routine. You may well be right and my belief has no proof either. We just don't need to know that part of the story yet – if the priority is ending the nuke industry.

                SHUT THEM ALL DOWN (gotta stay focused)


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                • Bobby1

                  The priority is not ending the nuke industry. This is essential and must be done, but it is not the immediate goal.

                  The immediate priority is full disclosure of radioactive contamination of air, water, food and human bodies. Children are getting poisoned TODAY from the milk they are drinking TODAY. They will get cancer TOMORROW from the food they eat TODAY.


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              • Kevin Kevin

                Cant see it Still.

                IF the NRC told him the data they had, and he did not want to disclos it, he would have worded the press conference differently.

                That would not have been hard. He could have said

                Itnernational Agencies have studied the data and said nothing will reach the US. The NRC is also looking into the issue and will report out there findings.

                or

                Agencies from Japan, the IAEA, and the (insert any of the others here) all say that no risk is apparent for the US. I repeat no risk and I have advised the NRC to review their modelling in detail and keep us abreast of the changes.

                The point is he could have said anything but he said the NRC told Me, and he repeated it.

                And the other point is that the NRC admits here that they are going to sit on the data!!!!!

                So I am not sure how you can be sure that the NRC told Obama all about it and he lied and said speficially that the NRC told him somethign different, and then doubled down and said " the american people should know as much as the president knows"

                Yes presidents lie, but they are much better at it that this. HAd the NRC told him the lie would have been much different.

                I think he knew the risk was there, like we all did and the NRC, notorious liars and for coverups, lied to him, and that is why he specifically kept saying the NRC told me and I am telling you becuase you should know exactly what I know. This is a way of covering his ass!! This is what they told me and now I am telling you. This is a classic move, when politicians are getting played by bureacrats. I have worked with them I have seen it first hand.

                But that said until we make this an issue, we will never know who is responsible and that is important ti know, because that is where the cover up began and has never been corrected since.


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              • matina matina

                StillJill, my thoughts exactly, they follow the traditional pattern of keeping the good information to themselves and misinforming the public systematicly……..


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              • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

                @StillJill

                And I would base that opinion upon what the President is currently disseminating:

                The economy is improving every day.

                Inflation is at 2% (if one omits the cost of food and gasoline).

                Unemployment is declining to below 9% (if you don't count those who have given up searching for a job). Count them and it's near 20%

                The Dow broke 13,000! (What part did the Feds play in this?)

                The White House conspires to convince the public that things are getting better every day. However, there is a disconnect when we go to the grocery store and the price of many an item rose by .50 in one week. We put gas in the car and it almost $4.00 a gallon now. Inflation is much, much higher than they will admit. So, no, they lie to us on a daily basis.


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                • StillJill StillJill

                  Yes,…even my sister,…who is a total 'ostrich', said this last week on the tele,..(Oh, and she loves O'Bummer),…"Jill, we never had a winter here in Ohio,….I've lived here for 57 years and I know Ohio weather! Everything has changed Jill, we are living in an upside down world now"!

                  I actually kept my calm,…bit my tongue and quietly told her one salient point or two about how isotopes effect the weather, etc,….

                  Back to the kids, their thyroids, etc,….
                  Sadly, it seems that huge, swollen thyroids in their children isn't enough. Maybe they will have to wait for their child's very own, "Chernobyl necklace". Yep,….they've got a purdy one comin! :-(


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          • There is a protical, not to even say in certain events to elude surcumvent ant future problems,… Pre 311

            Do what you have to do, we do not need to know if certain events take place, … Other code as …

            G I V E – M E – S H E L T E R !


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  • patb2009

    they Mean DTRA and NARAC so, what i'm thinking is the
    Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) and NARAC
    national Atmospheric Release Action Center narac.llnl.gov

    ran sims and said all heck was breaking loose.


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    • Kevin Kevin

      yes. that is probably a safe assumption.

      Still, if the data is coming back with off the chart exposures, and the NRC Dude responsible knows about it and gives direction to not report it while advising the president to the contrary whereby prompting the president to say " no harmful radiation will reach the united states" we have a really big problem. And it does no good for the Union of Concerned scientists to "laud" the work of the NRC at the time of doing it, and repeating it a year later!

      This information should be known to all, this anniversary will see a bunc of malarky about how cold shutdown has been achieved averting a disaster and how we should laud the people responsible when the reality is teh complete opposite. Cold shutdown is a fallacy, there was nothing that could be done to avert disaster and people in Japan and North America have been hit with serious doses of radiation including plutonium, not to mention elsewhere in the world.

      Time for the cover up to end, the truth to be told and the industry to begin its wind down.


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      • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

        @Kevin

        I believe they were saying they did not intend to do a press release on this information. Maybe I've missed something? Point me to the part where they said they would not notify the President???


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        • Kevin Kevin

          I just posted the press conference.

          IT was on the same day that this conversation took place.

          They discussed not publicly releasing the information.

          IF you watch the press conference. The whole point of it was to disclose this information to the people.

          The president says let me state clearly and then REPEATS it. That the NRC has told him the stuff wont reach america.

          Like I said it is very clear and concise!!!

          Simply watch the press conference it is only 7 minutes long!

          http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/17/president-obama-we-will-stand-people-japan


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        • Kevin Kevin

          i will post for you again.

          See the presidents full address on Fukushima from the rose Garden. Where he states the information he was provided by the NRC.

          IT was a major press conference. The briefing would have been up to the minute. It was a thorough addressing of the issues.

          The president at 2:30 in the interview states and REPEATS:

          That the NRC says "NO RADIATION will reach America, the west coast, Hawaii or Alaska!

          It is the primary focus of a huge press conference!!!!

          YOU MUST REVIEW IT TO BELIEVE IT!

          here it is http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/17/president-obama-we-will-stand-people-japanhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/17/president-obama-we-will-stand-people-japan

          Rmember he is saying this on the same day the conversation took place that admin posted above where the NRC is clearly outlining that it has data that says its coming here!!!!

          PEOPLE THIS IS THE TURNING POINT!

          This data must be seen and understood!

          The NRC should be finished as a result!!!!!


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          • StillJill StillJill

            What about the Center for Justice? Jay Succalo (sp)?

            Do we have any attornys in our ranks? Who'll admit to it??? :-)


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          • aigeezer aigeezer

            Hi Kevin. You are on to something huge – no doubt about it.

            NoPrevarication and some others are pointing out that just because the president said he was told X does not prove that he was in fact told X.

            We here have no way of proving what happened in that chapter of the saga – but it doesn't matter in terms of your huge story.

            If the story has legs, if the msm don't bury it, then either the NRC players will have to stand up and say that they briefed the president in detail then stood silent while he lied about their briefing OR the president will have to stand up and admit that the NRC gave him false data (because these transcripts are now visible).

            We don't have to speculate about which outcome will happen – either one is probably the end of the nuke industry!

            Don't let the story fade away. That's the big risk now.


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          • Second, I know that many Americans are also worried about the potential risks to the United States. So I want to be very clear: We do not expect harmful levels of radiation to reach the United States, whether it’s the West Coast, Hawaii, Alaska, or U.S. territories in the Pacific. Let me repeat that: We do not expect harmful levels of radiation to reach the West Coast, Hawaii, Alaska, or U.S. territories in the Pacific. That is the judgment of our Nuclear Regulatory Commission and many other experts.

            Furthermore, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and public health experts do not recommend that people in the United States take precautionary measures beyond staying informed. And going forward, we will continue to keep the American people fully updated — because I believe that you must know what I know as President.

            Here at home, nuclear power is also an important part of our own energy future, along with renewable sources like wind, solar, natural gas and clean coal. Our nuclear power plants have undergone exhaustive study, and have been declared safe for any number of extreme contingencies. But when we see a crisis like the one in Japan, we have a responsibility to learn from this event, and to draw from those lessons to ensure the safety and security of our people.


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          • "The president at 2:30 in the interview states and REPEATS:

            That the NRC says "NO RADIATION will reach America, the west coast, Hawaii or Alaska"

            He dose not sat that !
            The text of what hge said is is posted below !


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            • Nope it's up there ^^

              How that happen ?
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            • Kevin Kevin

              Yes you right XRD fox, I was paraphrasing.

              I had many posts and have put up the quotes in the newspaper and posted the link to the press conference.

              I was not trying to misinform.

              The point is, had Obama been informed of the information we see in this post by admin, and did not want to disclose, he would have worded that exact quote you posted differently. He would not have singled out the NRC as the source of the data and said it was substantiated by others but rather would have said, so and so agency said and the NRC is reviewing all the data, or something to that effect. If he was told and decided to lie he would not have put the NRC front and centre as the source.

              Think of it this way. When Bush.cheney wanted to prove that Saddam had WMD they took the data from the staff that said there was none and buried it. The went in search of another source that suggegsted maybe there was. They did not take the data that said there was none and then say those same people told them there was some.

              You see what I mean?

              Anyway the point is, we cannot say for sure, but we do know what the president said on the same day as this conversation took place among the NRC and the two things are at direct odds.

              Its a big and important issue and as geezer says, we need to focus on getting it out and forcing them to respond. Which may or may not lead to learning who lied, either way its the beginning of the coverup and it needs to be shouted from the rafters!


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          • Excellent Kevin

            This is a cover-up so massive and so sick that one wonders about the sanity of the people involved.

            Did they really think they could hide this?


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          • aigeezer aigeezer

            "The NRC should be finished as a result". That's certainly true and desirable, but it should not be our objective.

            The NRC came into being because its predecessor AEC got bogged down in controversy. One probable outcome of the impending NRC collapse would be a new acronym-monster arising from the ashes.

            http://www.nrc.gov/about-nrc/history.html

            SHUT THEM ALL DOWN


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Insurance premiums,…or prayer. I'll choose prayer.


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  • many moons

    Turning off the radnet should have been our first logical clue that the US goverment doesn't care who lives or dies…the right people were informed…and they left for the southern hemisfere.

    This clearly underlines that …
    1 the goverment is lying to us about life threatening situations.
    (during Chernobyl we were advised to stay out of the rain. I can remember clearly good morning American telling people if it was going to rain in your area do not go outside.) That was 25 years ago and things have changed.
    2. This goverment doesn't care if people become sick from radiation poisoning. They made sure that they didn't have to protect/ warn us by turning off the radnets…I wonder who gave that order?
    I wonder if that order wasn't in place before Fukushima…standard practice when the radiation monitor goes up.

    We need to wake up here in the states.


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    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

      Hi many moons…..
      Not just this government. US, Canada,others, finally a couple weeks later, even Norway (think it was called NILU) shut down the rad info. Global elites pulling strings, puppets do what puppets do.
      World Economy is King….protected at all costs and at all times. Everything else can and will be sacrificed.
      But, like you, I would also like to know who gave that order!


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    ..umm..just because Obama used the supposed fine name of the NRC doesn't mean he is innocent.
    That's the real job of the NRC..they are a glorified PR group
    TI can't think of the word for it at the moment..(listed under white collar crime)….something like a "pay in " scheme.
    Dues paid= lies told.
    The W.H. …will feign innocence anyway..no sense helping them.
    The White House ..DOE..the military..etc..all have conspired here.
    PS…The very same day….yep.


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    • Kevin Kevin

      I agree no one here is claiming Obama is innocent.

      I and other have said the data seems to suggest the NRC is guilty. That said we have nothing conclusive.

      however that is a side issue at this point.

      The point is. NRC had data saying exactly what the president said they did not have. Who is ultimately responsible is a side issue.

      It needs to be known that when the message was "dont worry be happy" the data was " be worried find shelter" and those spreading the dont worry be happy message knew it!


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  • Enenews had a headline recently that was derived from de-classified NRC documents:
    "US Regulator: We’ve got to stop labs from testing for Fukushima radiation — “Tell them to back off” — Worried about them talking to press about ‘consequences’
    http://enenews.com/nrc-weve-stop-labs-testing-fukushima-radiation-directors-knock-doe-cool-worried-about-talking-press-about-consequences

    So, did the NRC want the private labs to back off so that the labs wouldn't collect evidence on fallout levels?

    Was there a CONSPIRACY to hide the scope of the fallout?

    We need to start Freedom of Information Access Requests for every relevant agency.

    What agencies might have data besides the EPA, and FDA?

    What state agencies might have data?

    I know state agencies often do their own radiation testing of air…


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  • Kevin Kevin

    Well folks MaidenHeaven, finds the post that is the final nail in JAZCKOS coffin!!!!

    Here is the link

    http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-03-17/news/30864994_1_radiation-nrc-danger

    Here is the quote from the link

    No danger to U.S. from Japan radiation: NRC chief
    Market PulseMarch 17, 2011|Greg Robb
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    WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Radiation from the crippled Japanese nuclear power plant does not cause a danger to the United States, said Gregory Jaczko, the chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission on Thursday. "I just want to reiterate that we don't see any concern from radiation levels that could be harmful here in the United States or any of the U.S. territories," Jaczko said at a White House briefing.

    Thats it, end of story!!

    I am going to write a story and send it out far and wide.

    I will share it here for those interested in doing the same.

    Maybe we can get some attention to these issues!!!

    Its long overdue. Thanks Admin and Maiden I will use both the transcript and the Jazcko quote and we will make a hard hitting, air tight story that should be a shot right at the heart of this thing!!!!

    Great work everyone!!

    This is one for the good guys!
    Cheers


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  • Kevin Kevin

    Here is another jaw dropper!!!

    I just checked out the NRC youtube channel looking for the audio of this transcript.

    The only post they put up for the date of March 17th is found here
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWPHsIxEph4&list=UU9FZGPhjQXkmcDbFgoomsDw&index=4&feature=plcp

    Note that the guy says quite clearly that unit 4 SFP is a red herring, the real issue with SFPs is unit 3.

    He also says, Embassy people are lined up with their suitcases, they are just getting the hell out of there!


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  • Kevin Kevin

    Yet another data point that shows the chain of command and provides an insight into how the white house was receiving information directly from the NRC.

    In this NRC audio, it is claimed that the white house has ordered a "deputies meeting" of Fukushima. The person then goes on to state that the NRC Chair will be in attendance along with a nuclear reactor safety team experts. He says that they will be responsible for providing the chair support for that meeting.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHl-5fzsbVE&feature=autoplay&list=UU9FZGPhjQXkmcDbFgoomsDw&lf=plcp&playnext=7


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  • What-About-The-Kids

    Just wanted to add this reminder about something Arnie Gundersen has said in one of his early videos on fairewinds.com. i remember him specifically saying he had a friend in a high level position in the State Department who said the directive was to basically (I'm paraphrasing) to "look the other way" and deny the seriousness of the situation in Fukushima (not specifically how the fallout might affect the U.S. necessarily, but still, denial was part of The Plan from the get-go it appears)-

    Arnie didn't mention any names as to where the directive came from, and I am not going to speculate. Just wanted to add this fact to show there must have been many different groups told a similar thing.

    Are we all just too naive to believe the public will be told everything we need to know to protect ourselves and our children by the Powers That Be? It is a complex
    world we live in. But ultimately, I for one cannot accept any excuses when it comes to protecting our dear children. Nothing else is more important. Just my two cents.


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    • James2

      Well, it seems in this case there are plenty of complicit parties. I can assure you that assessing blame will be just as foggy as the FUKU webcams during a big fire.

      Those who will be sent to the lions are already selected. Sure they will be guilty, but the public needs to demand that the handlers – all the way to the top are arrested too.


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      • Kevin Kevin

        Agreed James2, that is why we need not get caught up in "who lied"

        The story is in the evidence.

        NRC had data, early on, of massive exposure and their shop discussed the issues and decided to sit on them the same day both Jazcko and hte President said no such data existed and therefor any threat has been ruled out.

        ITs about kicking the industry where it hurts with undeniable evidence that has been "group sourced" in this thread and not about singling out who is to blame.


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        • James2

          Oh, I didn't say it's not important to figure out "who Lied". I just said they will no doubt work just as hard covering that up as they did covering up the danger.

          In fact you'll want to pay attention to my other posts on that topic. The "who lied" is often more easily seen in the act of covering it up than it is in the act of lying to begin with.

          People who don't lie to begin with have no reason to cover things up – it never occurs to them. People who are guilty, however, show a very distinct pattern of trying to save themselves – this is quite ofte the most convincing argument to a jury that their guilt was deliberate.


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          • Kevin Kevin

            I understand that James2. In fact you explicitly focused on who lied. Which is why I responded saying that the entire issue is more far reaching than identifying and persecuting liars. The intent here is to start using the facts or the "truth" as a weapon to fatally wound the industry.

            All of their measures, each and every one of them, has been to obfuscate "truths" or facts of the matter. The reason is becuase each and everyone "truth" or fact is fatal to them.

            Their overreaching strategy has been to instill enough doubt, enough plausible deniability and enough misinformation to overcome the fatal facts and carry on with their tyrannical agenda.

            I understand that at times pursuiting the conspirators and prosecuting them is appealing because that seems achievable. Especially given the infallability of the indsutry and its inherent tendency to throw patsies under the bus anytime their agenda is threatened. However, if we are able to take the lead of be inspired with the likes of Joy B who has methodologically and endlessly unearthed all the critical data she can to wound the industry while sparing the individuals whom have exploited as tools.

            It is in fact her model of doing this for thirty years that we need to let guide us away from the near term gratification of seeing some bureaucrats hang or politicians fall and instead focus on chipping away the foundation of the industry so it eventually falls. We can do this with multiple little cuts and big kicks in the knackers like this one.


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            • Exactly, every industry, every business has elements of lies or stretching the truth, but NUKE is the only one I know of which starts out of the gate as a lie, builds on lies, and then uses human arrogance and ego along with a sexy science approach to continued existence.

              Thats why I built this site—to expose the lies one by one.

              http://nukeproffesional.blogspot.com/


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              • What-About-The-Kids

                Excellent work, Stock! I get the same indication, especially after watching that old BBC documentary "A is for Atom" (on YouTube). The entire industry was founded on lies. The public needs to know this, or the lies and deadly exposure to radiation to all of us will only continue…


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            • James2

              Nothing against JoyB or any of the other long time anti-nukes – but if they've been working on this for 30 years, they need to do something different – what they've been doing didn't work. You cannot deal with these thugs by negotiating or with a slap on the risk.

              Kevin – I believe that pursuing the conspirators and prosecuting them will happen this time – in fact I believe the investigation process has already begun.

              I believe when people ignore the laws and ethics of the land – they must be punished – otherwise others in the future will think that mode of action is acceptable. I've warned the shills here time and time again of what fate would befall them. I pleaded with them to stop and think of what they were doing and why it would be considered criminal. I even clued them in about evidence I had gleaned that they were being set up to be targeted when the truth came out. Still they did not quit.

              Time to face the music. Their only shot now is to squeal like a corner drug dealer when the day comes, and implicate their superiors. – but whenever you do that you are taking a chance that the one you are about to give up isn't in cahoots with the one you are negotiating with – justice still gets served, just through a different process.


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    @ Kevin, March 14, 2011 Speaking at the White House, Gregory Jaczko said there is "a very low probability" of harmful radiation levels affecting any U.S. territories, and that the government is providing technical assistance to Japanese officials in response to the crisis at Fukushima No. 1 (Daiichi) nuclear power plant.

    White House spokesman Jay Carney said that President Obama has been briefed multiple times since Friday's earthquake and tsunami. The White House counter-terrorism advisor, John Brennan, is coordinating the administration's response.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/14/news/la-pn-white-house-nuclear-response-20110315


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    • Kevin Kevin

      Another great link Maiden!

      Thanks so much for this!

      We have a lot of material here people to compile stories and get the message out!!!

      This group sourcing of a solid story is a fascinating process to me Maiden! Thank so much for all your awesome conributions! All great stuff, you obviously have an eye for this sort of thing.

      So much stuff its tough to keep up and by now I have made so many posts I am sure I am driving everyone crazy!

      lol


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  • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

    You really want to get this out?
    Does anyone know anyone closely involved with any of the current repub campaigns? If you spoonfeed just this one thread to ANY of them, it should be all over the papers, TV and radio within 24 hours. They are hoping and praying for a shot at Obama that will poison the opinion of dems and independents about his re-election.
    I don't believe it matters who is in the White House anymore. They all lie and ignore the rest of us.
    The point is, in the race to get dirt on Obama, Newt, Rick or Mitt would cut each other's throats to be the first to release this info. And they probably have the resources to dig a little deeper than we could. Even if they don't get the "goods" on the Prez, they would be more than happy to throw the NRC under the bus for the sheer joy of hammering Obama about being ineffectual and out of touch for NOT knowing this info. Either way, the info is all over the news worldwide. Hardball is not only suggested at this point, but mandatory if possible.
    Of course, I could be wrong, and they might all know this shit already and the price of possible election is silence.


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    • James2

      I doubt it.

      This is one of the "untouchable" subjects that the campaigns will only take on in their desperate hours.


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    • Sickputer

      I seriously doubt the nuclearocracy leaves anything to chance.

      Any viable candidate is onboard the money train long before the election. They haven't lost a presidential election since Roosevelt and the other merchants of death lobbies never lost one back to the other Roosevelt.

      Revisionist History 101


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    • Kevin Kevin

      This is a good instinct PoorDaddy.

      My feeling though is that while Obama has been disappointing in all this. The repugnicans are entirely a subsidiary of the military/energy/congressional complex.

      They have not said a thing about Fukushima and certainly would not introduce this into the elections issues mix under one of the presidential campaigns.

      However, opposition entities at arms length from them are fair game.

      My efforts will be outside of the US as I live in Canada. That said, ENENEWS itself is a significant source for getting this out. We have to keep in mind that it is not always getting it out to the masses but at this stage, getting the right message out to the right people, I think ENENEWS is a good venue for that.

      Also the many posters here have vast networks of their own and the many lurkers as well.

      We can also write our own version of this story and use the many independent websites that allow you to insert your own pieces for publication and of course sending to the alternate sites is also a good idea. This site has a good compilation of high profile alternative new sites and each on should receive a peice that talks about this issue we are kicking around here.

      http://www.newsblok2.com/

      I am sure many others here also have awesome ideas to this story out!

      Great post PD.


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    Just adding this for info.

    Rep. Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut, the top Democrat on the House subcommittee that controls FDA spending, wrote agency officials Tuesday questioning how they could say with certainty that there is no threat to the U.S. food supply from Japanese radiation. She noted that the FDA is not always able to track where food production facilities are located in other countries.

    Beyond this, the most common form of contamination — iodine 131 — is an isotope that decays to its non-radioactive form very quickly. “It will be down 100-fold in two months,” says Maidment. “And that’s why it makes sense to use contaminated dairy products for powdered milk or cheese. By the time the cheese and powdered milk are consumed, they will be fine.”

    If the Soviet government had told people about the radiation leaks right after the Chernobyl explosions, many thyroid cancers could have been prevented, says Dr. Yuri Nikiforov, a professor of pathology at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Nikiforov, a freshly minted doctor practicing in Belarus when the Chernobyl accident occurred, saw first-hand the damage iodine-131 could do to children.

    “After Chernobyl, there were about 6,000 cases of thyroid cancer and those were mostly in individuals exposed at a very young age — children under 5,” Nikiforov says. “Half of those might have been prevented if the children had been kept inside and told not to drink fresh milk.”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42215049/ns/health-food_safety/t/fda-halts-imports-dairy-produce-japan/


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    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

      Hi Maiden….First line from this link covers it.
      "The Food and Drug Administration said Tuesday it will halt imports of dairy products and produce from the area of Japan where a nuclear reactor is leaking radiation."
      Now, is this a 50 mile radius per US standards, or a (fill in the blank) kilometer radius designated by Japan? And how in God's name will they keep that stuff separated from the rest of the stuff we import from Japan? Takeaway from this one is …. don't buy Japanese products….or California…or Oregon….or ?


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  • charlie3

    This story should be made public to the greatest extent possible – if this doesn't galvanize Americans to demand to know more and to ask what is happening at Fukushima, nothing will.
    Californians who are concerned about their children need to hear about this and then make themselves heard.


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    • Kevin Kevin

      Bang on Charlie!!

      Another reason I have posted a gazillion times on this thread is that for a year I ahve been here reading how so many folks who have tried to talk to family and friends about the reality of fukushima were getting ignored, isolated, labelled, marginalized and even cut off from those closest to them.

      This story is clear, undeniable evidence that indeed the coverup took place. IT is clear undeniable evidence that even the highest levels of professionals had models that showed we here in North America were at great risk.

      I heard many people state that trying to share these facts with people was impossible and in my experience folks just thought you were ouright lying.

      Now with all the stuff in this thread we can make the case to people who previously denied that fukushima was a huge issue that iumpacted us here as well as the poor Japanense people closer to ground zero.

      This story needs to be told, to everyone, not just to justify those of us who have been on it since day one, not just to hang out the perpetrators of the deception but to have people realize that based on these undeniable facts nuclear power must come to an end and we must even now try to mitigate its impacts amongst our children.

      Thanks for your comment


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    YW Kevin. Poor Daddy agree,also Important to note is this:

    the most common form of contamination — iodine 131 — is an isotope that decays to its non-radioactive form very quickly. “It will be down 100-fold in two months,” says Maidment. “And that’s why it makes sense to use contaminated dairy products for powdered milk or cheese. By the time the cheese and powdered milk are consumed, they will be fine.”

    ~But what the Strontium & Plutonium ect. that will still be in the contaminated milk powder& cheese? Too many people will believe it is safe.

    “After Chernobyl, there were about 6,000 cases of thyroid cancer and those were mostly in individuals exposed at a very young age — children under 5,” Nikiforov says. “Half of those might have been prevented if the children had been kept inside and told not to drink fresh milk.”


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  • SweetDakini SweetDakini

    Reading this thread, it seems we have become corporate fodder. People's lives appear to be acceptable sacrifices to those who wield power. That this is an acceptable behavior by the NRC, government and so many others is one of the most disturbing realities to me personally.

    It is only sites like this one that we can ferret out what is happening. Thank you all for the education and discussions that are so freely shared. When I tell my friends to investigate and be more aware of Fukushima's issues – they make me a foil hat. Frustrating. Some folks just don't want to know.


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    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

      It's a hard nut to crack, Sweet…..like the mouse eating the elephant….one bite at a time.
      I put a Daily Nuclear Tidbit on my FB page every day. For weeks, I get an occasional like and even more rarely a comment (which are usually not related to what I posted). Just today, someone else on my Friend list posted a piece from enformable about Fukushima. I was pleasantly surprised and felt like maybe now there are 2 mice working on the elephant carcass.
      I get great comfort from enenews….lotsa mice!


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      • Kevin Kevin

        You are both right. It is a hard nut to crack poor daddy.

        However this thread might be the nutcracker!!!

        You can put info in front of these people that is clear, concise and contains an admission that they are covering up.

        You can see who is doing what and when you can also see that the data they are covering up includes details about exactly what the exposure is and how dangerous it truly is!!

        This thread contains the data and supporting links to a story that even the most ardent denier cannot deny!!!!

        They may still push back and make you a tinfoil hat, but when they go to bed at night the reality sets in that.

        1) they admit to covering it up
        2) the radiation that reached us was dangerous
        3) the coverup was overt and coordinated from the get go
        4) it involved people from the highest levels right down to low level crats acorss the full spectrum and involved several countries.

        This process will be the one that leads to the tipping point required for the people to finally take the required stand against the nuclear machine.


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        • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

          I combined the comment below with this article & I included links to 3 other articles …see reply. To make 1 large story showing the facts & included the info about the danger of radiation.

          Extremely high amounts of Radioactive Iodine-131 were released by Fukushima. North American residents should be checking for lumps or tightness in their own & their children's Thyroids.

          MR. LEWIS: Yeah. The DITTRA result was four rem [40,000 microsieverts] to the thyroid of a one year-old child based on one year integration of uptake.

          MR. DORMAN: Mike, this is Dan. No. No, we're not planning any press release with this information.

          They indicate at least 4 REM ( in the linked article they indicate it is very conservative measurement).

          ~In the United States, the NRC limits occupational radiation exposure to adults working with radioactive material to 5 rem per year.~

          They could have provided Potassium Iodate tables to prevent the uptake of the Radioactive Iodine-131 by the thyroid.

          (In the event of a nuclear power-plant leak or nuclear attack, Potassium Iodate would be used to prevent the thyroid from absorbing damaging radioactive iodine and therefore preventing long-term thyroid damage caused by inhaling or ingesting particles of radioactive iodine.)

          1/3 of Fukushima kids tested positive for lumps on thyroid — Forebodes some real issues in future after only 10 months.


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          • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

            All of Western US and most of East Coast, Midwest, Canada covered with airborne particles at various altitudes on March 20, Fukushima plume model shows — Based solely on Reactor No. 1 explosion (PHOTO)

            http://enenews.com/study-all-western-east-coast-covered-airborne-particles-march-20-model-shows-canada-based-solely-reactor-1-explosion-photo

            All of Western US and most of East Coast, Midwest, Canada covered with airborne particles at various altitudes on March 20, Fukushima plume model shows — Based solely on Reactor No. 1 explosion (PHOTO)

            http://enenews.com/nrc-weve-stop-labs-testing-fukushima-radiation-directors-knock-doe-cool-worried-about-talking-press-about-consequences


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            • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

              Under US Law/Regulations, they are supposed to evacuate and regulate to As Low As Reasonably Allowable (ALARA) exposure.

              That law indicated that according to the amount of Radiation that Would be received they should evacuate out between 150 to 200 miles from Fukushima. They had a tentative agreement to recommend that U.S. citizens & Army personal ect. evacuate out to 50 miles & then they rescinded that. The result was to evacuate out to only 20 miles. Imagine knowing that to follow the law it would have been up to 200 mile evacuation & only do 20.

              I wish the man I quote below had gone to the public & warned people. He was able to speak up in that meeting buthe wouldn't warn the public.

              MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay. Let me ask the question, isn't there an ALARA consideration here at some level? We calculate that if, in fact, the assumptions [sic] made relative to your 50-mile PEG calculation come to pass, that you would get like 1 to rem total effective dose equivalent out to 150 to miles. And wouldn't it make sense, if we're talking now voluntary departure, wouldn't it make sense to recommend voluntary departure in the name of avoiding that level of population dose?

              MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, but why are we being so rigid in terms of doing the right thing? The right thing is an ALARA thing here, in addition to strict interpretation of PEG.

              http://enenews.com/us-evacuation-out-at-least-150-200-miles-past-tokyo-concerned-nrc-staff-why-are-we-being-so-rigid-in-terms-of-doing-the-right-thing-radiation-exposure-just-one-of-many-considerations


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              • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

                Did the NRC lie to the President or did the President lie to Americans?

                March 14, 2011 — Radiation from the crippled Japanese nuclear power plant does not cause a danger to the United States, said Gregory Jaczko, the chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission on Thursday. "I just want to reiterate that we don't see any concern from radiation levels that could be harmful here in the United States or any of the U.S. territories," Jaczko said at a White House briefing.

                Obama says harmful radiation will not reach U.S.

                March 17, 2011WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -President Barack Obama stressed Thursday that he does not expect harmful levels of radiation from Japan to reach the United States, Hawaii or other U.S. territories in the Pacific. "That is the judgment of our Nuclear Regulatory Commission and many other experts," Obama said in brief remarks about Japan's nuclear crisis in the Rose Garden. Obama defended the U.S. decision to warn citizens not to go within 50 miles of the crippled Japanese plant even though this was a wider radius that the warnings from the Japanese government. Obama promised he would keep the American people "fully updated" on the crisis. "I believe you must know what I know as president," Obama said.

                "That is the judgment of our Nuclear Regulatory Commission and many other experts,"

                http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-03-17/news/30864994_1_radiation-nrc-danger


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                • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

                  Fukushima Radiation NOT SAFE! Click See more under the video to see the linked scientific studies proving that there is NO Safe dose of radiation.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywKv0dj3UuY

                  This is the very real truth about the damage caused by the disaster at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station. The speaker is Dr Helen Caldicott, and she is an expert on all things nuclear, please take the time to hear what she has to say. The truth will probably take many years to come out, and by then the damage on future generations will be so bad.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3cQSdRfNeo&feature=related

                  If the Soviet government had told people about the radiation leaks right after the Chernobyl explosions, many thyroid cancers could have been prevented, says Dr. Yuri Nikiforov, a professor of pathology at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Nikiforov, a freshly minted doctor practicing in Belarus when the Chernobyl accident occurred, saw first-hand the damage iodine-131 could do to children.

                  “After Chernobyl, there were about 6,000 cases of thyroid cancer and those were mostly in individuals exposed at a very young age — children under 5,” Nikiforov says. “Half of those might have been prevented if the children had been kept inside and told not to drink fresh milk.”


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            • Kevin Kevin

              Maiden!!!

              What can I say but you totally rock!

              You are making it easier and easier for all of us here to get pen to paper, or in this case finger to keyboard, take what we pulled together here and get it out !!!!!

              I cant thank you enought for this.

              I know for me it is exciting to be inspired by this little internet group and to be able to take what we are exploring here and turn it into a document I can share with others in order to make a difference in peoples lives and contribute whatever little bit I can to a nuclear free future for my child and everyone else's children. If all I ever get to say is that I did what I could it will be enough for me.

              Lets hope others here also feel inspired enough to do the same. I mean just being here being witness to these atrocities is a big step but for those who want to do more tham just fill up the comments box here at ENENEWS your work Maidenheaven helps them to put together important, relevant and solid data to share!

              Your awesome.


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  • Machomaker Machomaker

    What-About-The-Kids
    March 6, 2012 at 8:00 pm · Reply

    Thank you, Marina. Does anyone have a link to the chart showing the effects of the various isotope exposures to the human body? There was a chart showing a human body pointing to the various organs effected. There was also one explaining the health effects of each increasing exposure…

    Yes.
    Is´s only in german language but you can see the impact of radionuclides in the body.

    Preferred impact of radionuclides in the various human organs. see page 24 – Figure 7, the woman http://umwelt.hs-pforzheim.de/fileadmin/dokumente/1986/DieFolgenvonTschernobyl.pdf


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    • What-About-The-Kids

      Danke, Machomaker! I will respond in kind with this link to Ace Hoffman's excellent graphic novel/a.k.a. comic book-style primer on the dangers of nuclear power, "The Code Killers": http://www.acehoffman.org/

      Click on the book image on the left side of his homepage to get the free download. It includes a similar chart and much, much more. A great introduction for those new to this issue.

      He apparently has a new one called "Shut San Onofre", also available on his website. He lives in Southern California, downwind from the NPP there, so he takes it personally, being exposed to all that "healthy" (NOT!) exposure to the ongoing venting of radioactive steam that all nuclear power plants release pretty much 24/7. Hope you enjoy the book!


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      • or-well

        AWESOME! What a resource! Free to copy! Single page handouts or the whole thing! And a glossary! And pages of other resources for the Book people!
        The comic-book style will help those who turn away from anything that looks "intulekshul".
        Thanks What-About-The-Kids.
        We should bump this periodically for lurkers, hmmm?


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        • What-About-The-Kids

          Glad you like it, Or-Well! I was really happy to have found his website. Ace's style will reach those who are more visual learners. I agree! We should keep bumping this…and perhaps add it to one of the other resources threads?

          I really admire Ace's work. If you read his bio and his blog, you'll see he has long been a tireless activist working to protect our planet from the ravages of nuclear radiation. I was impressed to see he got his start way back in 1996 when the esteemed Karl Grossman asked him to team up. (Karl writes on nuclear issues regularly for Counterpunch and is a new contributor to enformable.com. Good stuff!)

          Read some of Ace's letters he's been writing recently on his blog for inspiration and ideas on how to write your own letters protesting all things nuclear: http://acehoffman.blogspot.com/2012/03/dont-restart-san-onofre-nuclear-waste_06.html?m=1


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    Thanks everyone great info. The combination of links I used above I think work together to get info out. A friend on Facebook in California told me today that the only information she has read about Fukushima is from my wall posts. I have been posting info on Occupy Facebook groups too. Some do not let you create a post so I add comments to a post on the page. Just keep in mind that you can only post on maybe 4 different pages a day in order to not get banned for 2 weeks. I know ;)

    @PoorDaddy it would be a big help if you could post on Occupy Facebook pages around the world. No private messages here to ask your Facebook page.


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    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

      @PoorDaddy go to https://www.facebook.com/occupyfresnoca see 2 posts by me (Maiden Heaven), scroll down to see the one on this story ect. You can send a Friend request there if you like. :)


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    • What-About-The-Kids

      Great work, all! I agree! Now hitting the hay, as its way late here. More tomorrow.


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    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

      Thanks Kevin from earleri reply :) The one thing I am not able to do well is to create a *short story…mine are always long LOL I just think it is vital to include more info.

      We are the Media. Each of us have different abilities & different limits. So if each person can share the info *their way or using what others post at least once a week word will get out.

      If anyone can write a *story PLEASE post it here so that others can use it. Many are not good at writing.

      Even if you just use the links like I did, it gets Facts out to the public.

      You are welcome to use what I wrote. I have been doing crowd sourcing on another issue & I always marvel at how much we learn & how powerful we are when we join forces.


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  • Kevin Kevin

    MaidenHeaven,

    Matina did some work on making sense of the dose/exposure rates.

    However I think we need some lay mans language that explains the risk the NRC guys talk about in the transcript. Something really simple people dont have to a physics class to understand.

    We need to tell this story. Its not a feel good happy ending, but it needs to be told and we need to do so in such away I can put it on my bumper in a sticker. You know what I mean?

    Do your or does anyone want to take a run at this can somebody translate this and turn it into a bumper sticker?

    Admin headlines 40,000 microsieverts.

    The transcript cryptic convo says this.

    So we were in the one to 10 millirem range versus full rem range, which was — full rem thyroid dose range, which was being (inaudible) by DOE and DOE (inaudible)

    What we need to say is that we have been lied to since day one, the guys had the data that said we are exposed to ??????? which is the equivalent to your wife putting stict nine in your coffee for tow years.

    You know what I am saying here? Telling people and proving a coverup of 40,000 microsieverts or between 1 – 10 milirem is the equivalent of telling people nothing if they dont understand what it means.

    So I guess this is a plea for someone who knows about these things to put it in plain language every joe six pack can understand at first blush.

    I think this is important, what about you?


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    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

      @Kevin I added this to my post on Facebook about this article:

      They indicate at least 4 REM ( in the linked article they indicate it is very conservative measurement).

      ~In the United States, the NRC limits occupational radiation exposure to adults working with radioactive material to 5 rem per year.~

      ….I will add this below. I think it will give just enough info without overdoing it.

      Safety limit of Radiation for children are 1 mSv/year

      1 rem = 1000 mrem = 10 mSv = 0.01 Sv


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  • Sue

    Between 12.00am and 01.00am PT on 17th March, Fox News reported that the radiation would hit Southern California on 18th March. I never saw it reported again. That afternoon, I picked my kids up from school, drove to Los Angeles airport and flew home to London. Obviously, I had suspected that the situation was much, much worse than was being reported and wasn't going to hang around to find out. My husband stayed behind. He, of course, thinks I'm crazy, as do my parents, friends etc. However, I now feel completely vindicated. I knew all along that they were the crazies, not me.


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    • StillJill StillJill

      "Sue, with the BRAVE heart"! :-)

      I LOVE, love, your hot sauce Sister! :-)

      Wow,…you bucked the entire system,…even in-laws?

      Wish I heard stories like THIS every morning!

      Thanks Sue. Let us hear from you, K?
      Keep doing the GREAT job parenting your fortunate children! :-)


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  • RutherfordsGhost

    Congratulations!
    You just passed the Darwin Test of Fitness to pass your genes onto the next Generation!


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    Have to share. This from a post on a Facebook page with all of the links I post together only a half hour ago. Now I know it works the combo works.

    Quote: VERY informative, thank you Maiden Heaven…I like how you put everything under one post here.


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    • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

      I'm glad it works for you Maidenheaven!:) I posted the same yesterday and someone deleted me..


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      • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

        Haven't had that happen surprisingly & luckily. Posting on various pages, mainly Occupy group I occasionally get a like or a comment from those, but figure if even 1 person reads just the title of the articles I post, then that is one more person who learns something about how dangerous Nuclear is.

        I do think that if there were a Dislike button I would get a lot of those. The advantage would be to know how many even read the title.


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