Flyover: Crude oil now covers much of giant sinkhole — Flowing into surrounding area (PHOTO)

Published: October 13th, 2012 at 5:43 pm ET
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Title: Bayou Corne Sinkhole Flyover
Source:  Louisiana Environmental Action Network
Pilot: Lance Rydberg
Photographer: Jeffrey Dubinsky
Date: October 12, 2012

A thick slick of crude oil can be seen covering much of the sinkhole [...] oil and water can be seen flowing from the sinkhole into the adjacent environment.

Published: October 13th, 2012 at 5:43 pm ET
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74 comments to Flyover: Crude oil now covers much of giant sinkhole — Flowing into surrounding area (PHOTO)

  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    This is already an ecological catastrophe and who knows what the public is breathing and drinking but perhaps I'm overreacting.


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  • irhologram

    No, the problem HERE is UNDERREACTING. Mark, a firechief formerly with NASA, tells US it's gonna blow, yet folks here are saying don't "cry wolf." The Washington Post covered this story BECAUSE OF POSTS ON A BLOG. This blog?

    Connect the dots.. Add this crude at the sink hole to the crude at Macondo.

    http://enenews.com/confirmed-salt-cavern-below-sinkhole-has-failed

    http://enenews.com/unsettling-news-theres-no-way-to-fix-it-if-salt-cavern-under-sinkhole-has-failed-says-state-engineer-theres-little-that-you-can-do

    http://enenews.com/state-official-gas-coming-up-4-5-miles-away-is-very-very-similar-to-gas-near-giant-louisiana-sinkhole-that-would-be-very-remarkable-video

    http://enenews.com/gas-pressure-in-cavern-below-giant-sinkhole-near-1000-psi-trying-to-extract-hydrocarbon-material-from-well

    http://enenews.com/officials-pressure-building-up-in-aquifer-to-explosive-concentrations-geologists-say-top-layer-may-not-be-able-to-hold-back-gas-if-above-75-psi-new-footage-inside-sinkhole-video

    http://enenews.com/officials-gas-pressure-building-aquifer-trying-vent-public-safety-seismic-activity-related-pressure-videos

    http://enenews.com/confirmed-govt-oil-floating-gulf-matches-bps-macondo

    The bottom of the Salt Dome failed. There's no way to fix it. It has pressure of 1000 psi. It only takes 75 psi for a blow out explosion. The gas is "similar" 4 to 5 miles away. Hydrocarbons are also in the aquafer and in wells. All they know to do it vent it…


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  • kalidances

    Creating a potential sea of fire…


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  • irhologram

    All they know to do is vent it. INDEFINATELY? Spewing hycrocarbons into the atmosphere?

    Think about it. The chance is long gone to nuke Macondo to create a glass dome containment, like the Russians did successfully because the pressure and earthquakes have fissured the area beyond repair.

    WOLF!!!!!


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  • markww markww

    There is one possibility COLD FIRE additive pumped into the oil down in the dome

    see link as little as 0.25 solution on some applications and also can be used on hydrocarbons could dilute and maybe stop burning process but engineers would have to look at ratios

    http://www.coldfire.biz/

    Mark


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  • We are living in the tipping point of environmental collapse

    I am truly amazed at how fast this is happening.

    Our fresh water has been compromised by fracking.

    Our food has been compromised by GMs that are now inexplicably but most definitely linked causally to tumors, weight gain, and infertility.

    The BP oil disaster and the Fukushima nuclear crisis together tipped us over the edge and it looks like it is going to be one hell of a rough ride….


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  • irhologram

    I read it, Mark. So that can surpress fire. What about the pressure? What about the fractured limestone? What about the progression of toxic gas at 1000psi into the aquafer? What about the having to vent this indefinately in order to prevent explosion, firey or not?


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    • markww markww

      scientist could possibly pump the solution underground ratios I don't have geologic data so engineers would have to figure it out. Its safe as to its composition you can bathe in it but pumping in down before a fire it could possibly dilute and not burn if it blew just a theory dry ice works it is co-2 nitrogen works 320 below zero but the cold fire additive could maybe stop it from burning. Just throwing something out there

      Mark


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  • irhologram

    But the earth will continue blelching toxic gas. Until the mega pocket is gone? And then what? With nothing where there was something? What kind of collapse is that?


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  • irhologram

    Guess we all need to order Mighty Putty off the internet. But even if they had a sealant that could bond fissures, the pressure they'd have to insert it at would be higher than 1000psi. And everywhere? Otherwise it will break out at the weakest point.


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  • vivvi

    Interesting. Today the usual pattern of tremors seems to have stopped, or slowed considerably. This could mean that the pressure has reduced, or it might mean that whatever was breaking is now broken. Disturbing how this huge amount of crude oil appeared at the same time the quakes have slowed. I tend to think whatever was breaking is now broken, and here it comes. I do wish people would get the hell away from there, the poisons in the air must be incredible.


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  • irhologram

    Unless this COLD FIRE can freeze the whole ocean floor area, refreeze the mega-bubble. Like freasing the blob. Maybe that's it. Heck of a new scifi flick. Sounds like the only logic, tho.


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  • irhologram

    Vivvi, I don't think this a "local" problem anymore. The quakes have stopped before, have begun again, and stopped again. Logic would say the pressure builds, and is released. This mega-batholith is has a WHOLE BUNCH MORE content than has been released. One article said it went from the Gulf to Venezula. It would be predictable that in a couple of weeks or so, earthquakes will again commence. More fissures will be created, creating more areas of escape.


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    • vivvi

      I agree. Personally, I think a whole heap more frightening stuff is about to come out of pandora's box there. Just making the observation that the huge oil slick appeared after the intense quakes slowed or stopped. I expect they will start again when the pressure makes itself a bigger exit. Looking at the photos from the flyover, one is struck by the area of dead and dying trees, extending all the way to the housing at the community. It is more apparent when compared to the still healthy trees beyond. Time to get the hell outta there.


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  • arclight arclight

    heres an odd link from Bayer`s 2010 annual report

    it shows texas brine on the list but it shows a "0" as percentage of interest.. the only sale.. everything else they held a +50 percent holding except for a 45 percent stake in one of their dubai companies (dubai hardselling?)

    just thought i would post it here in case it was useful

    http://www.annualreport2010.bayer.com/en/changes-in-the-scope-of-consolidation.aspx


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      You're on to something, arclight. I'm not sure what exactly but it could be big.

      From a "chamber of commerce" type of site praising "big oil" in Baytown, Texas.

      "Over the last ten years, Bayer Corporation has invested over $1.3 billion, by far the single largest capital investment within Bayer worldwide. Guest facilities (Hexion (Borden), Calpine Construction Finance Corporation (Baytown Energy Center), First Chemical, El Dorado Nitrogen, and Texas Brine) have been invited to join Bayer’s industrial park site to provide strategic raw materials and energy for Bayer’s consumption."

      http://www.baytown.org/business/ecodev


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    • PavewayIII PavewayIII

      "…it shows texas brine on the list but it shows a "0" as percentage of interest…"

      The 2011 Scope of Consolidation Report shows the same thing: 0% ownership interest for financial reporting purposes. It will always show 0% on Bayer's financial statements, but it's just some accounting trickery.

      Texas Brine is a Special Purpose Entity subsidiary of Bayer. Bayer, for all practical purposes, totally controls Texas Brine.

      No wonder they can afford Shaw.


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  • irhologram

    A citizens group should offer safe haven to these families. There should be a nationwide national placement effort. Most of them don't have out of state safe houses. But until it is REALIZED this is what it is, there will be no help for them. CERTAINLY they can't wait for government assistance. All they have is all of us.


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    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Yes I wrote to a woman with connections about setting up a donation site for those who want to evacuate but do not have the means to do so as I do not have a lot of connections or the internet savvy but perhaps someone one here like radchick, maijia, or… on and on could also get a donation site up and running successfully. Just a thought.


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  • irhologram

    Arclight. I'm trying to understand what this means. Could you please explain further?


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  • irhologram

    For example, what was their percentage in 2009? And did they list holdings for Texas Brine in 2011? I'm not sure how to research this data.But since you know…..


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  • many moons

    The fumes coming from the sink hole are so concentrated and volatile they may catch on fire too. They might want to watch out with those fly overs.


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  • irhologram

    So they sold total holdings in 2010. Do you know what month?


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  • irhologram

    If Texas Brine was sold by Bayer after the April BP blowout, since this event was PREDICTABLE, one could EXPECT them to divest. Matt Simmons was telling everyone what was going to happen. Even me. On the radio. Of course, then he died. And the problem went away. So unless they sold BEFORE April, I wouldn't think much of it. It was just good business. If they sold BEFORE April, it might go toward conspiracy theory that the BP blowout was allowed to happen.


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  • irhologram

    It should have read "since this PRESENT event was PREDICTABLE,"


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  • razzz razzz

    At a recent press conference during Q&A, a concerned citizen asked where the oil and gas was coming from. The testing results showed oil and gas inside that was at the bottom of the salt dome was the same as outside the salt dome.

    The concerned citizens were told that the bottom of the salt dome could be pumped empty and filled with brine to hold down any release of oil and gas. The next question was, "What about the outside of the salt dome?" No real answer there for lack of a way to stop that flow.

    So, it is looking like oil and gas is finding its way up the salt dome sides. Either inside or outside or both.

    Quake activity suggests oil and gas traveling as the salt dome further erodes.


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  • razzz razzz

    The Texas Brine Company is a LLC (privately held, no stock issued). Sue the company for losses and officers on the board are insulated from personal monetary damages.


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    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      One of these companies and I think it was Texas Brine are going to declare Bankruptcy to avoid payment once again this was stated during one of the meetings in Bayou Corne. I will do some research as to the validity of this statement.


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  • VanneV anne

    This should be a major story, especially before the election. Vote the Green Party. BP should lose its license to operate anywhere in the US. And if other governments were smart, they would shut down BP also. And no just changing the corporate name and letting these incompetents and immoral oil executives keep on operating. How about charging them with crimes against humanity? How about charges against BP for destroying the earth? How about raising their taxes to make them pay for this destructive calamity?


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    • arclight arclight

      hi anne
      bp cant even make the 18 billion final compensation payment because the kazahkstan thk bp/arctic/rosnett deals are getting complicated.. tony blair (jp morgan and WPP) has a sweat on… imo

      and the bp profit is in jersey.. land of protected paedophiles and suppressed bloggers trying to get the truth out..

      its a complicated world.. :(


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    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Yes, I have considered voting for Jill Stein and voting my ideals vs fear but I really don't want the Republicans back in the Presidency as they are downright evil and yes the Democrats aren't much better but all you have to do is look at their energy policies. Romney wants to end EPA and basically take us back in time with no regulations. This election is too important to throw a vote away which pains me to say but I really don't want Romney picking Supreme Court jurors and the list goes on. Yes we need a viable third party but this election is too important. IMHO


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      • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

        FYI: Jill Stein is the only anti-nuclear Presidential candidate (Green Party). She attended and spoke at the Coalition Against Nukes fundraiser in Washington D.C. last month.


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        • moonshellblue moonshellblue

          I threw away my vote when Ross Perot was running trying to state we need a third party and as I said this election is too important to prove a point by possibly allowing the most evil to win, really too much is at stake. I hate having to say this as I do believe in everything Jill Stein stands for but there is no way she can win because she does not take money from corporations and Congress voted not to close this loop hole once again looking out for themselves and not us. So sad but true.


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          • harengus_acidophilus

            A look from outside.

            In my view, there is just one political party in the u.s.:
            The Janus-faced party of big money.

            "Don't throw you vote away, throw it away!", thats what you said.

            Never trust men with mammals, they've had proven their greedyness.

            h.


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        • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

          I thought the presidential election/vote is only a front. Isn't it already decided who 'wins'? Hence, Someone like Oh bama with a dodgy birth certificate could become the president. He was even wearing a wedding ring before he married michelle… Many skulls n bones in the cupboard.


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      • gr81 gr81

        Surely you cannot prefer the present IslamoCommuCratic regime of corruption, led by the Marxist posotus himself, who co-conspires to ELIMINATE the rights of legitimate journalists WHO should be reporting NON-BIASED MSM accounts of these MAN MADE CATASTROPHES currently besieging OUR ENVIRONMENT.

        The EPA has become more of a political/power tool of corruption rather than an actual protector of our environment, THUS ALLOWING MORE OF THESE CATASTROPHES!


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        • kez

          Yes. Agree personally with MSBlue completely.

          Deregulating industries, especially dangerous ones, does nothing but ensure cronyism ranks foremost. It doesn't protect anymore; it doesn't encourage viable growth. It takes the power from the people and the rich fox guards the hens. And rakes in gazillions in the process without accountability.

          GOP candidate also on record to build up military, including nuclear. On record to fast track new NPPs licensing.

          As far as censoring MSM, imo Bush II was one of the worst offenders especially during Gulf War 2; although his Dad's croneys tried hard. I respect Bush I for not having prolonged Gulf 1.

          I too regret not having a third party force to vote but MSBlue is right again. We are voting the lesser of two evils and we all know it.

          BTW interesting (sad) news from WHO regarding still births and defects in Iraq recently. Blaming munitions metals lead and mercury initially. Since US and coalition have not actually admitted to DU use, those studies are pending.

          And if you don't believe US dumped DU bombs in Iraq . . . please convince me.


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  • irhologram

    @Razz and Anne. IMO you're just not getting this. It's IN THE AQUAFER. THE AQUAFER COVERS 7 states. The pressure is 1000psi. It only takes 75psi to blow: the clay will eventually not hold it. It will blow. Mark believes it will burn. Even if it doesn't the air will be lethal. Bayer divested of Texas Brine, when the BP disaster made this event inevitable, according to Matt Simmons, who was, some say, murdered for predicting this. The earthquakes and factures will continue. The gas releases will spread elsewhere. Many elsewheres. Sue them? Well, yeah. If we can still breathe.We have a lot bigger problems than fixing blame for monetary damages. Like survival.


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    • Irhologram

      I've been reading your comments with interest.

      I believed that the ocean floor was fractured and that Simmons was murdered for sharing the news.

      That said, I don't know enough about geology to fully understand the mechanism whereby the entire aquifer has been contaminated.

      Can you please explain how the fractured ocean floor could result in the contamination of the entire aquifer and the collapse of the salt dome at issue?

      thanks


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      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        Truth of the fractured ocean floor is known by too many now for them to deny. I do think contamination is happening throughout the country as witnessed by various methane bubbles in creeks and rivers all over the country thus this is not an isolated issue and is possibly contaminating the entire aquifer. Now, whether it is connected to the Maconda Well and BP or local fracking, I don't know perhaps both.


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  • razzz razzz

    irhologram: Life goes on until it doesn't, with or without you. Interim, some worry more than others.

    I say bring the oil deposit into production.

    The Gulf is littered with wellheads, ground and sea floor resembles a pin cushion. Are they all going to blow because of pent up pressure? If the Gulf is dying, it is because of Corexit not seeping oil.


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    • vivvi

      And how do you propose to do that, Razzz? If there was a way of exploiting this deposit, don't you think some money hungry bastard would already be hard at work trying to do that?


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        Actually, razzz and vivvi, i thought i just read an article yesterday here on enenews saying that the oil in the sinkhole and salt dome will be reclamated, cleaned up and sold. TexasBrine has been ordered to remove whatever is within the salt dome and will be legally liable to compensate residents.


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      • razzz razzz

        I have not seen mentioned what grade of oil it is so probably not worth the normal oil rig operation but if they have to pump at a loss while relieving the pressure, that's too bad. If the entire reservoir of gulf oil and gas is attracted to this bayou, I guess, they will be pumping a long time.

        Displace the locals, turn the area into a working oil field, move existing storage of products in salt domes out of the area until, someday, they get this seepage under control.

        Any reclaiming of oil or gas inside the failed salt dome was to be replaced by brine solution. I haven't read of any plans to deal with oil and gas outside the salt dome. And if a natural pathway has been found by oil and gas into the salt dome, how are they going to remove a continuous oil flow into it?


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  • Erhyth

    What do you think about the Crosstex butane filled cavern in the same Napoleonville dome…why are they only moving it 1000 ft. to another storage cavern? Can't they move it farther? Are they asking for a problem?!


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    • vivvi

      Seems to me that if the salt dome sides are breached, and water gets to flowing in, there will not be any safe place within that dome.


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      Good point, Erhyth. It is my understanding that the local geologists believe this sinkhole and salt dome to be self contained and limited, and not part of a larger problem. They believe the chemicals and oils and gases within can be removed by TexasBrine and have ordered them to do so, and are confident that the salt dome erosion is an isolated incident. No one, of course has any way at this point of knowing for sure about anything, and, i think, like you, that they should err on the side of caution. But, apparently not. I agree, moving the butane just a 1000 ft seems to be "asking for a problem", as you say. There is a very real possibility that the oil is the oil/Corexit sludge from the Gulf clean up. Legally, they would not be allowed to make that public at this time if it were the case. They can only say that it matches, but, not beyond that. Maybe TexasBrine accepted the sludge and so that makes it their problem and not BP's technically. This mess is a lawyer's dream come true.


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  • markww markww

    new problem from BP OIL

    BP Spill Residue Found in Minnesota Pelican Eggs

    http://oceana.org/en/category/blog-free-tags/gulf-of-mexico-oil-spill


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  • markww markww

    Every body from OBAMA down to BP never listened as to the proper way clean up of oil in the Gulf Of Mexico that was on the surface . BP USED COREXIT which is a deadly chemical and will make people sick for years. It has mutated all fish and sea animals.

    NO ONE LISTENED when I said to USE Texas A&M Discovery bacteria that is clean. BP over rode all laws and the USCG and OSHA to do what ever they wanted. Now AMERICA should SUE each person in court for the disaster.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    How long can this keep up, it's getting bigger.
    There is flammable substance.
    There is fumes.
    What's the plan?
    What about the public?
    How toxic is this?
    How's the drinking water there?

    I can guess..My guess is that this can't last like this, and it can get a whole lot worse.
    How can this be healthy to breathe in?
    I would say it's not safe to live there, how can it be?
    Have you seen this disaster, get any better?(I haven't)

    That picture captured what the oil on top looks like, after it was highlighted. It's a horrible disaster.


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    • markww markww

      Me and allot of emergency people are going to try to see what we can do by giving our input and suggestions here so we can try to stop the clock and get things done right.

      Last time they failed they put a small band-aid on it. So have Hope and Pray we can do the right things and do not let it get you down for everything there is a correct answer just takes us time to work it all out on paper and in our heads.

      Mark PEACE


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  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    The entire water table is changing and soon more.


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  • irhologram

    I wass mistaken about which aquafer is being referred to, actually, the Coastal Aquafer MERGES with the Mississippi alluvial acquafer.The coastal lowlands aquifer system consists of a gulf-ward-thickening, heterogeneous, unconsolidated to poorly consolidated wedge of discontinous beds of sand, silt, and clay. The aquifer system underlies parts of the East and West Gulf Coastal Plain and the Mississippi Alluvial Plain and extends eastward from Texas across southern and central Louisiana into southern Mississippi, westward and southwestward across Texas to the Rio Grande, and also extends into southern Alabama and the western part of the Florida panhandle, where the system is called the sand and gravel aquifer. To the north it merges with the Mississippi River Valley alluvial aquifer. The aquifer system extends to the edge of the continental shelf in the Gulf of Mexico, but it contains saline water in most of its offshore areas. Major rivers that flow across this aquifer system include the Mississippi, the Pearl, and the Red Rivers. It tends to have about 10 of hard packed loam/sand, then become more sandy, and very porous the greater the depth. Water is known to move horizontally through these areas. There isn't much to bottle the crude up from what I read…which seems to mean the mega-batholith gas crude releasing from Macondo into the continental shelf access of the aquafer at 1000psi is finding an entirely new chamber. which will blow at 75psi where it finds resistance..


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  • irhologram

    So the Coastal Aquafer involves the states of Texas, Louisiana, Alabama, and Florida, and it MERGES with the Mississip alluvial aquafer is 25-150 depth and covers 7 states: Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansa, Tennessee, Missouri, Kentucky, and Illinois. Major rivers that drain the relatively flat alluvial plane include the Mississippi, St. Francis, White, Arkansas, Yazoo and Quachita Rivers
    So when they say "It's in the aquafer…" to me, that a pretty significant statement.


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  • arclight arclight

    more shanaigans from the scientific community.. some scientists have principle

    and glad to report even some nobel laureates have principles
    +1000

    Nobel Laureate and 6 More Cancer Scientists Quit Texas Institute Over Grants -Cancer industry “politically driven”

    http://nuclear-news.net/2012/10/14/nobel-laureate-and-6-more-cancer-scientists-quit-texas-institute-over-grants-cancer-industry-politically-driven/


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