Published: May 19th, 2012 at 9:50 am ET
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Fukushima Reactor 4 poses massive global risk
CTV News
Andy Johnson
Saturday May. 19, 2012 7:06 AM ET
[...] The damaged Reactor 4 cooling pool was reinforced by workers who went in and “jury-rigged” it after the tsunami, but the structure still contains a massive amount of fuel, [Arnie Gundersen, a nuclear engineer with Fairewinds Energy Education] said.
Reactor 3 has less fuel inside its cooling pool, but it has not been strengthened since the disaster and poses a greater risk of failing.
“Reactor 3 has a little less consequences but a little more risk, and Reactor 4 has more consequences but…a little less risk,” he said. [...]
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Published: May 19th, 2012 at 9:50 am ET
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If 3 falls, they may not be able to get near number 4. I may yet get to use the "duck and cover" training they gave is in the 50's.
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Oh Flapdoodle I do remember the duck and cover training.
The bad news is, it won't save us.
I think they were trying to make us feel that, all would be ok.
I'm to old to play duck..duck..cover..
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Yes, I remember the teachers telling us that our desks would protect us from a nuclear bomb. Lol
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Anyone see the south park episode where they're supposed to duck and cover when a volcanic lava flow comes through their town?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6ZFkmloarg
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Ha! Perfect
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Exactly, the failure of any pool or the dramatic increase of releases from any of the reactors would potentially lead to a site evacuation. Without workers able to constantly keep everything going, ALL the fuel onsite will go up in smoke, up our noses, down in the rain, and into everything everywhere. All the reactor fuel pools, the common fuel pool, the "cores on the floor" inside the breached reactors (or under the reactors might be more accurate)… all that fuel will become dust in the wind. So really, if ANY of these more likely events happen, it will lead to the less likely, yet more severe events soon after.
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I remember duck and cover training in elementary school as recent as 1972 in Nebraska…even as a small child, it seemed to me insufficient in the face of an all-out nuclear war…I remember being terrified and wondering why the other kids didnʻt seem as concerned as me…maybe it was because I was one of the only Army brats at the school (we didnʻt live on base at the time), or possibly because I had accidentally found some of my fatherʻs gruesome war pictures from the Korea and Vietnam of dead "enemy" soldiers (still have those images in my head)…at least I was sparred the knowledge that Nebraska was home to the Strategic Air Command with ICBM missile silos and strategic bombers with nuclear payloads…oh the bliss of ignorance…
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I think CTV is making fine distinctions out of basically two heaps of wreckage. Not credible.
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I would tend to agree. The explosion at 3 started in the SFP, the bright orange/yellow flash. Since the explosion I have seen no evidence they are even putting water in or on anything at 3. Has anyone else? I think reactor 3 and it's SFP are pretty much empty by now. An untrained guess, but still it is my guess.
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This story mystifies me. CTV has been silent throughout. Now they offer a shocker headline but a misleadingly reassuring photo. Their main source seems to be Arnie (at last). There is no evidence of their doing any on-site investigation.
They're telling us stuff we have known for a long time, but they are actually telling it. Why now? What's up?
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Perhaps they are dipping a toe in the truth-pond. If they can get away with it, they might work up courage to tell us why the pinnipeds died.
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They've changed the photo since yesterday (they were showing another reactor complex – intact, as it happened). The new photo is a long range shot of the "tsunami-damaged" plant (their phrase). You can't see significant damage in the photo – it's a far cry from the TBS webcam view, for instance.
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I am going to sue CTV for breaking their charter in several of its articles and by being influenced by outside sources.
I suggest that different people sue different news media sources
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And what about the CBC- a publicly owned broadcaster? The betrayal of the public trust has been as shocking as anything in this catastrophe. It clearly demonstrates where priorities now lie; not with the future of the world, or human health, or with "the children"; but with money, and beyond money to an absolute commitment to a system that has no place anymore for public good, or common action, or shared decency. The only entities are markets. The only democracy lies with consumers. The international response and world re-alignment this disaster does require is anathema to these people and their beliefs.
And that said, if we do survive- and that might not be pretty either- they will leave us no choice. It's show trials for the whole lot. The people will demand it.
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Right on, money is the root and human nature cruel
People of the world must wake up, only as a collective can we take them on
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So where is #3 again? Cause we really cannot see it… Where are the videos showing the camera going from outside of the building into the reactor and spent fuel area?
Anyone can take a picture and call it whatever they want…
What really happened at Fukushima? via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/02/what-really-happened-at-fukushima.html
How Dangerous Is 400-600 Pounds Of Plutonium Nano Particle Dust Liberated By Fukushima? Via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/how-dangerous-is-400-600-pounds-of.html
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how do you "strengthen" a vaporized reactor building? with lucky charms, green clovers etc.? i assume this was a comedy show.
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What show? We're talking about an article on the CTV website, not a TV show. The link is at the top of the page. It certainly would be interesting if CTV did a TV show about Fukushima with the same headline.
Hmmn. It's a long weekend here in Canada. Maybe that's why they released their shocker headline now – nobody but us will read it.
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GE Canada is a member The Canadian Council of Chief Executives. Bell *BCE* the owner of CTV is also a member. Their members are behind NAFTA the North American Union & the Keystone Pipeline. They just released a paper *Energy-Wise Canada: Building a Culture of Energy Conservation* that concludes that Electricity rates must be increased in order for us to reduce our use.
tp://www.ceocouncil.ca/about-ccce/members
Check the members list & find the report Energy-Wise Canada: Building a Culture of Energy Conservation on the right of the page.
North American Competitiveness Council https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Competitiveness_Council
NOTING that several companies within this group make Green Energy products as well as a few oil Companies. With Green Energy prices dropping globally & an inside connection to the very companies that make & sell these products…they will be able to purchase these products at very low rates & sell for abnormally high rates…in order to force us to reduce rates.
The facts are too that Green Energy products are in some cases cheaper per unit than gas. So the companies know they will lose money in oil & gas sales as Green Energy sales increase.
So we know why CTV chose to put out a false flag report. Clearly they are scared that some truth has been getting through to the public.
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Sorry here is the link to the members list of the Canadian Council of Cheif Exectuives & the report.
http://www.ceocouncil.ca/about-ccce/members
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Arnie,
Where is the SFP4? How can you argue #4 vs. #3 when recently each time I look at the TBS/JNN webcam, SFP4 is gone. I mean gone – you can see through it. It seems that your entire argument is lame – as much as I respect you. Where you see SFP4 – have you looked at the JNN/TBS webcam lately?
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How does anyone know really the condition of those three reactors, where the coriums
are, the condition of the sfp's when it seems no one can get close anymore due to the
death dealing radiation on site. lets get real and realize Tepco has been on vacation
from there except for the robotics. The situation is hopeless now no matter how much
we want a solution. Have to wait till it all cools down or burns out– decades-centuries?
Maybe these robots can levitate and take pictures of these supposedly existing SFP"s.
Arnie is doing is best with what he has. Yet we can see through it all. He is speaking
with forked tongue—not to alarm us into panic yet tell us it is grave. I feel for him
because in his private moments I am would think he is in a world of grief.
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SPF4 is not gone – its still there and full of water up to its normal level. They have their temporary rigged piping keeping it full, it seems. Remember just a short time ago a video was posted here showing people in the usual gear and masks walking around the damaged pool floor of #4. The pool was quiescent and not visibly steaming. Lots of debris around. They seem to have done a lot of work clearing rubble.
The risk is that its all a bit tenuous and any of the weak links in the chain could snap with the slightest encouragement. I'm not saying there is no problem, just that SPF4 is not 'gone' and you cannot 'see through it'. Yet.
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Nigwil,
I saw the video. It was two or three weeks ago. At that time the SFP4 was there in seemingly good condition. The change occured this past week – long after that video was made.
Here is the JNN/TBS webcam
http://radioactive.eu.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=4&Itemid=193
The SFP4 was in the top right corner of R4. I can see through that corner. Not only me – many people here too. The SFP$ is way too big to be hidden. They cleaned around so there is more open space but the SFP4 should be visible and there is nothing there. This is not your bathtub – it is a very big object.
We can disagree – the SPF4 is gone imho and it is clearly visible on the webcam. The little box-y space there would not be SSFP4 – it doesn't look like one: size or shape.
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Trader,
I hope you saw the picture I posted.
Look at the design.
The SFP is NOT tucked in the upper corner.
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Trader,
The roof elevation has not changed on R4. What TEPCO appears to be doing is clearing out the debris and yes, in this case wall sections that are damaged are debris. This is why you're seeing through the top quarter of the plant. It is clear that the reactor room floor is visible and yes, the SFP is there. It's right behind that centralized white box-y looking thing…
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Here's a good picture:
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/05/crack-on-reactor-4-building/fig10/
The blue shaded area at the top is what they've been clearing away.
Please notice it encompasses the top two wall panel sections. At the red dotted line is the reactor room floor line. That gaping hole is part of the dark sections we see from the distant JNN cam. Behind that wall section to the right (our pov) is the SFP.
NOW…
… Notice the diagonal yellow lines?
That's a crack running the distance of the wall.
At this point I have no clue if it is just on that wall side or does it also spread to the adjoining wall facing away we cannot see. It appears to be a compromised wall. If it also affects structural support then yes, here's proof of how compromised R4 is.
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How do we know when the picture was made? The picture was posted on fukushima-diary.com on May 19th. However this does not imply that that picture was made on May 19 – most likely not. I inspected the picture but cannot find the datestamp in the metrics section.
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Trader,
I don't think FD has any reason to mislead. Do you?
Do we have ANY concrete evidence of the contrary, as some people happen to conjecture? Now is not the time to get all Henny-Penny about the SFP having disappeared when all indications are that it is still there.
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Date on linked picture is 4/20/12.
Original link here:
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/05/crack-on-reactor-4-building/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FukushimaDiary+%28Fukushima+Diary%29
Check out the progression and he even provides a schematic of the building so you can get an idea of layout and position of SFP.
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Sorry,
Don't mean to drag this out much more.
Just another observation I have made.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Look at picture dated 2/20/12. In that gaping hole in the building you can clearly see where the SFP is. See that blueish inner construction? Look at 3/20/12. Slightly different angle confirming inner structure (blue paint or material). That does appear to be the SFP. Look at the diagram and compare the pictures. The hole blew out on the wall the SFP is on, so turn diagram and imagine looking at the diagram from the perspective with the side with the SFP facing you. Behind the SFP is the cap and plug (which we saw in an earlier video that space is filled with water and one can assume that the reactor is also filled with water). Notice where they note ground level with the torus room just below.
At least these pictures hint as to the apparent "list" we all noticed long back.
Thanks for the convo.
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Can we all agree that all four reactor buildings have been compromised?
Earthquake
Tsunami
Explosion in Reactors
Building Fires
SFP Fires
SFP Explosions
And not to mention the concussions each of the other buildings took as the ones next to them blew…
Yep…
… Mighty compromised they all are.
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after reading the article i assumed "ctv" stood for comedy t.v. i'am sorry, it's actually a comedy website!
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