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Posted to HP. Thank you Enenews.
How many zeroes missing this time?
Readings are taken at CTBTO stations (Preparatory Commission for the comprehensive nuclear-test-ban treaty organisation), so they should be correct
if the pope doesn’t own them
Poor popeye, has to pay Incest.org rent for his funnyhat, Dagon-fishtop.
However, the jۤuits u serve, will demand results. How u r gonna explain the miserable yawns, chickenhoofs?
Edmond said it better; NCR brothers exposee… & the sleazy brothers inc. … The History of J€§uits
http://wp.me/pwIAV-1
http://wp.me/pwIAV-19(repost)
Come on. This is really ridiculous now. The joke doesn’t get better by repitition.
Yawn?
Cmon tinhat: Popeye Dagon-Fish hat is ridiculous. Why its like t hat?
especially if “if the pope doesn’t own them
…
I wrote that just for you – I KNEW you would start all over again…yawn indeed.
Just for me, only sht, cant get any content? u cant differ Dagon from Pope – because theyre both paganry and damned like u, like every godless one believing in mary icons, priestly inqusition or just papal greenpiss witch huhnfuß…
Try at least, once, CTRL-W, will ya?
In our psych rotation in nursing school, we learned that it’s best not to feed into people’s mental illness or delusions.
@calimom True depop -doctrine, never challenge the liars, let them mature with greenpee until they start to wreak havoc in the (protest ant) society – way to multiply fools
Indeed. Also, with almost the same levels of cesium-137 being spewed out in Japan as in late March, how is it that this cesium-137 is supposedly not travelling around the world to the other monitoring stations? I am completely and utterly suspicious of the data from Germany after their lying statement from May 2nd when they claimed:
“The observational data of the CTBTO now show a clear decrease of the worldwide radioactive concentrations outside of Japan (see measurements at bottom right of this page)”
http://db.eurad.uni-koeln.de/index_e.html?/prognose/radio.html
However, the chart at bottom right they refer to, which is the same chart referenced by this Enenews article (though only dated to May 16 on the above page), shows levels of cesium-137 being detected at global monitoring stations that are equivalent and HIGHER than the levels as of May 2nd when this lying statement above was made.
Based on all that, I simply do not trust the data for the monitoring stations outside of Japan any longer. How is it that the levels have dropped so far everywhere but Japan? Doesn’t make the slightest sense to me. What it actually looks like is that they have simply stopped doing testing (or started manipulating the data) for everywhere but Japan after the first few days of June.
1. this is not data “from Germany”. They only published it. CTBTO is international.
2. somebody here said a while ago: “dilution is the pollution solution”. This is probably also correct for the distance Japan – USA.
Well, you can nitpick about the words I chose to use or you can address the main import of my argument – up to you. OK, so the Rhenish Institute for the Environment is in Cologne, which is in Germany. Given that my comment references Rhenish, to say “from Germany” (ie. a German entity WAS releasing the data publicly on the page I referenced) is to refer to WHOM was releasing the data.
It is inherently obvious that the data comes from all over the world, given that the CTBTO stations are not all in Germany. I would have though that is not worthy of mention.
Your quote about “dilution is the pollution solution” has been proven wrong by dozens and dozens of articles referenced on this site (Enenews) in terms of the fact that radionuclides are in the air, water, and food of the USA already. So, what is your point with quoting such a statement? Are you quoting the “party line” that there is “no problem” due to the small distance (when considering the jetstream) between Japan and the USA?
Not really sure what your point is with the above comments, in other words. You appear to be confusing the issue, rather than focusing on the facts, which are that these many organisations have been LYING bald-faced for months. Speaking for myself, when LIES are the order of the day from such entities, I tend not to trust them at all. Up to each of us to figure that one out for ourselves.
Dont worry, baguette works for the j€§uit dis-info office. Proven 100x, check out: “in other words. You appear to be confusing the issue, rather than focusing on the facts,”
The less a prog-rammed workhorse knows about her indoctrination, the more authentic she can be = more valuable for handlers.
I think Savvy is right to not trust the data reported outside of the US.
I know for a fact that data have been withheld. If data aren’t being reported, it is not too much of a stretch to presume that data are being manipulated.
The zardov (sp?) files pretty clearly suggest data were very much manipulated.
Here is a strange coincidence. Yesterday radnet was down (at least earlier in the day).
Now, Sat morn, radnet is up and Albuquerque has 135 beta listed.
https://cdxnode64.epa.gov/radnet-public/queryResult.do
However, the jet stream is now far north so it is unlikely to be at this high level from Fukushima radiation. http://www.weatherimages.org/data/imag192.html
I’m pretty sure it is from the fire…
After reading that report on dumping on the premises, it is clear that contamination is wide and far surrounding Los Alamos
@BetaFlare: Thanks for the comment. Yes, “baguette” is one “person” of many who comment on this site that is on my list of those who are likely to be fake “online personalitites” paid to disrupt the conversation. This “baguette” character has frequently attacked a number of positive and intelligent contributors to the discussion on Enenews. Such out of context negativity repeatedly directed at people who evidently are well-spoken and have valid commments about these issues does reveal who the trolls are pretty quickly.
For those who don’t know how it works these days:
“Anonymous: Government contractor has weaponized social media”
http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/201111/6939/Anonymous-Government-contractor-has-weaponized-social-media
“Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks
Savvy, no need aggressing me or overreact the way you do.
When you say you “didtrust German data” I thought you were getting this wrong. It was published by the “Bundesamt für Strahlenschutz” (bfs), which is actually in Salzgitter.
Second. OF COURSE dilution is NOT the solution for pollution, for god’s sake. Someone was stating this here a while ago, LIKE I SAID. But indeed I think it’s obvious that the amount of Cesium is likely not to be as high in the US as close to the source, which is in Japan.
Verdammt noch mal.
@majia: Indeed my own conclusion relative to the “private” forecasts on the “Zardoz” server at NILU is that they were the most accurate (by far) when compared to the obviously false public forecasts. This article gives an analysis of the private NILU forecasts and also compares to the CTBTO data from April/May for Europe, which correlates well with the NILU private data:
May 18th: “Radiation Map Analysis (Europe/Australasia)”
http://globalcooperative.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/radiation-map-analysis-europe-australasia/
Currently, I am working on an article that will provide about two months of continuous iodine-131 private NILU forecasts, making use of a large number of images that were strangely generated only on June 6th (showing I-131 over the USA from March 11th through May 13th). Will post the link to this article later today, so that people can see the levels of iodine-131 that WERE likely hitting the USA for the two month period in question.
Savvy, would you please post the link to your article when you are done at my blog? You can click on my name to get there.
thank you so much!
@majia: Here is the link to the article with the iodine-131 levels for the USA (from March 11th to May 13th). I have also posted it on your blog just now (http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/washingtons-blog-fukushima-coverup.html).
July 3rd: “Radioactive Iodine-131 USA Forecasts (to May 13)”
http://globalcooperative.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/radioactive-iodine-131-usa-forecasts-to-may-13/
Pollution is NOT the solution to pollution. TROLL.
It seems you might have meant to say:
DILUTION is NOT the solution to pollution.
If so, I completely agree.
Yes. Thanks Savvy
“Doesnt make sense” when published data doesnt correlate with the fucufacts – unhindered meltdown spew cont…
Be happy and breath deep – hopes depopes.
@Savvy: LOL, at last smbdy sees through theses nice ‘flowerhat ladies’ who are sent to keep discussion of the terribleses off-topic fucus.
It really doesnt matter if they work for the MSM system, or are plain used fools. (I guess this is the issue with baguette; the officers iq is totally on other plane.)
Btw. Do drop a comment on the edm0nd story.
Yes, anyone who is just “nice” or “luke warm” about the incredibly catastrophic nature of these events is suspicious to me. Also, I’m suspicious of anyone without a genuine sense of humour (makes it look like they are only doing a “job”) and anyone who only gets really “angry” in their comments when attacking one or the other of the obviously intelligent posters on this site (rather than getting really ANGRY about these psychopaths ruling the world and destroying it with their nuke toys).
Will take a look at that story you mention later today.
@Savvy, Metalgear: Gen David Petraeus, jۤuit.
Think about that; where does all t-his info leak…
Savvy, just for your information: I was a child when Chernobyl exploded, and living in Germany was not too funny at that time. I’m anything but lukewarm about these events.
Sorry to hear. Cesium does that. Never grow up.
@savvy
the nilu server was being “overhauled” 3 weeks ago and i kept trying to get into the new flexpart section. at one point i got a list of files with varying sizes and the dates were current 3 weeks ago!!!
radioactive.eu has all the published files and is working on them for publishing…i think that given the reason for stopping them (after decades, i think) was that the radiation levels were lower than they were initially told, it will be interesting to input the correct or at least more accurate radioactive levels. and, it will be even more interesting how nilu explain this to the tax paying norwegian public!!
Thanks for the comment. Perhaps radioactive.eu and I are working on a similar kind of article then? Mine is mainly focusing on the iodine-131 levels for the two month period from March 11th to May 13th for the continental USA. Perhaps radioactive.eu is going to put up all images?
My conclusion about the “private” forecast images (for those who don’t know, these images are here: http://zardoz.nilu.no/~flexpart/fpinteractive/plots/?C=M;O=D) is that they are the accurate ones, based on all of the other evidence available.
My impression is that NILU (like many other organisations) must have had access to more accurate private data about release rates from Fukushima than they were ever letting on. Why else the “private” forecasts with 100-fold levels of radioactive isotopes? And these “private” forecasts are consistent as a set of images, in that they ALL show the same 100-fold levels of radioactive isotopes.
We recently learned that publicly stated radiation levels in Japan are up to “three decimal places” (or a factor of 1,000) incorrect. So, the 100-fold NILU “private” forecasts fit the same pattern well, in terms of significantly higher REAL levels than the public has ever been told.
Basically, I do not trust any of these organisations at this point, due to the duplicitous nature of all the information coming from them. Why two sets of forecasts from NILU, for instance? That very fact reveals duplicity, as it is clear that there are multiple models of release rates going around and it is clear that the least threatening one was chosen for the public “forecasts” (that were evidently completely false).
i think that nilus new server has the proper ones now.. it is password protected!! the issue of the two sets of forecasts can be settled by inputting the correct data into the map then comparing the run to both a public map and a zardoz map all of the same date..then see which one matches best…if the zardoz file matches best, someone in nilu be in trouble…send evidence to all norwegian press and radio stations and ill give you the new address of the flexpart files that i posted a few weeks ago…peace
matbe everyone here could post to norwegian blogs too about the information and facebook etc!! could be a nice bit of work altogether!! keep up the good work!!
oh and maybe contact radiactive.eu at his blog might save you both some work… peace
NILU is NOT independent. Plays with norske gvmt paid infra.
It was the last one giving out true readings, until they got a hoodster visit; they had a common agreement based on blood, fear & brotherhoods. Its famous short history depicted here:
http://wp.me/pwIAV-19
Norsk institutt for luftforskning (NILU) decided to throw outta window their CFD-program after 30yrs of development… huh. Scary as sa sins.
http://erilainen.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/nilu-thend-s.jpg?w=700&h=331
@betaflare
exactly, and they are a government body that recieves tax money to inform the norwegian people of air quality in relation to radioactive releases..it is now only for a minority of norwegians and mostly for international governments and private companies…norway with a population of not much more than 4 million could be reached easily in an information blitz as above, it would have some result…we just need to send the evidence i suppose?
@arclight My guess is that ppl dont want to know. The issue is bigger than normal egoist can handle, so lets enjoy life in denial.
This is why glo-papal MSM has a free lunch in their spin.
Finland has super rad network. I guess all scandinavian countries. But. No info, no none, never, nothin in public. Totat fucu blackout from Chernobyl to this date. Only activist arrests, bloggers into asylum… Incredibly water tight media spin system. Global.
consolidated nuke news http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/nnn.html
In case not everyone understands German here: the current level of Cesium 137 in Japan is half than less than the Cesium level in Germany was after Chernobyl (red dotted line). According to the graph, Cesium 137 can not be detected in the US stations at the moment.
Daily life in Fukushima: ‘It was like visiting another universe’ VIDEO
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/230978-Daily-life-in-Fukushima-It-was-like-visiting-another-universe-?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I suggest you also take a look at the animated map of the CTBTO published on the same page:
http://www.bfs.de/en/ion/imis/animation.gif
It shows a timeline and the stations where particles were detected over time.
Admin – Any chance of an ignore button/option?
Guys, my opinion is that the information on the Zardoz server were not released because they were speculative. We tend to forget that the NILU charts were projections, i.e., based on estimates.
If I were doing atmospheric modeling, I would produce a range of models, some based on worst-case scenarios, some based on best-case scenarios. Sure, what they released was probably based on a best-case scenario. But given all that we’ve learned here of the last six months, particularly with respect to the spotty and erratic deposition of fallout, I am not at all convinced that the Zardoz data is the best guesstimate.
Here’s what I think, based on watching RadNet, Radiation Network, NILU, the German data, atmospheric information posted by dutchsinse, and looking at the data from Berkeley:
Emissions have decreased from their largest spikes in March, April and May, but they are on a plateau– they are NOT decreasing further. The West Coast of the US is getting a lot less now b/c of prevalent winds, and Japan is getting a lot more– however, there are likely some very bad hot spots in HI, the Pacific Northwest, the Central Valley, maybe some parts of So Cal, Denver, PA… basically, all the spots where we had heavy rainfall at the worst possible moments. A lot of people in those areas are going to die or have health problems, and may see elevated levels of infant mortality and genetic deformity. Other areas will be relatively unscathed, but will experience scattershot spikes in health problems due to bioaccumulation in food-producing regions.
I don’t think there are any trolls here, or not many. They don’t pay attention to us because we aren’t policy-makers. They feel we have no power.
It would be really satisfying to disprove that assumption.
good point…but the forecast is only as good as the data that they input and we have better figures than they had, indeed much higher…nilu flexpart is a state of the art system and indeed all thier monitoring devices and strategies are efficient…nilu would have alerted people on the ground to do manual sampling in the areas most likely to be hit at the time it is likely to come over, therefore on its own nilu is only one part of the strategy the manual testing is the second ….as nilu moved flexpart the instructions to manual workers was denied and so died any hope of tracing radiation in norway…one of the wettest places on earth…90 percent of fallout particulates come down in the form of rain…and until we get information on the state of our upper atmospheres we will have to wonder what is coming down?? i say this not to inject fear but the policies of the governments and corporations dont quite sit right with me…why hide the problem if it isnt a problem…how much radioactive particles are in our atmosphere(more than there was)..is it having any effect on weather patterns..on hindsight where are the most contaminated spots…we still need access to nilu to work the answer to these and many other questions… the equipment and resources they have on this are the best, they are not using them!!!
Depopulation is not a problem but planned dreamcometrue. One can understand this abs 100% pure evil ONLY after visiting D a c h a u shower rooms – the ones Paul II (w0jtyla) used to sell gas for cat holic je§uit Adolphs ovens.
1945 W0jtyla, the D e g e s h salesman escaped into vat-i-can. But why?
Whatever, he became pope the incest great, now his bones are holy and sanctified by (‘his’) MSM media. True Gas oven Saint.
Oh whata satanicsaintly system. More here http://wp.me/pwIAV-19 (repost)
since cesium half live is 30 years, that is not surprising
Is not the significant realisation from this level of cesium that cesium 137 is a product of fission/fusion, not just a ‘blow off’ from a pile of decaying material?
If the cesium 137 levels are as high as they were in April this confirms that there are not just several puddles of corium bubbling away, but that some part of the mess is still going critical from time to time?
Isn’t that right?
We haven’t seen an analysis of the components of the emissions lately, especially in regard to the short-lived isotopes that would confirm/deny recent fission activity. Can some clever person out there give us that?
The big question: where are all the fission ruins smoldering? Fukushima -theater keeps programmed fools seated with new papal reveleations until the roof collapses
she only comes from one place and one place only mattey…..
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