Deceased Fukushima Chief: “I thought we were really dead” — Fear of “nuclear doom for eastern Japan” — “A total failure in which the fuel melts and breaches… containment vessel”

Published: September 1st, 2014 at 5:20 pm ET


Kyodo News, Aug 30, 2014: Fukushima No. 1 chief feared nuclear doom for eastern Japan — The chief of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant said in testimony before his death that he feared the core meltdowns he was trying to contain in March 2011 would cause catastrophic damage to eastern Japan… “Our image was a catastrophe for eastern Japan… I thought we were really dead.”… Yoshida died of esophageal cancer… March 14, 2011, when it looked like the containment vessel of reactor No. 2 was going to fail and pollute the area with high amounts of radiation, Yoshida said he thought he was finished. “I really don’t want to recall this part,” he said, because he was bracing for the worst – a total failure in which the fuel melts and breaches both the pressure vessel and the containment vessel. [But] air pressure in the containment vessel dropped, allowing the fire engines to get the water in.

Were fire engines actually able to ‘get the water in’ to Unit 2? Here’s what the Final Report of the Investigation Committee on the Accident at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Stations (established by the Japanese government) has to say:

  • At Unit 2 [it’s] believed that water injection was disabled by about 12:30 [Mar. 14] at the latest. Afterwards… it is believed that core exposure and damage were underway
  • Although alternative water injection was being carried out at Unit 2 from about 19:57 on March 14, 2011 onward, the seawater that was being sucked up by the fire trucks… was also simultaneously being injected into Unit 3… the thinking is that they were unable to maintain the discharge pressure that was needed by and sufficient for the alternative water injection into Unit 2.
  • From about 19:57…  it is not believed that an adequate water injection flow could be maintained [and] water injection was either not carried out at all or was largely not carried out… the D/W pressure plunged rapidly at about 20:03 on March 14. So it can be believed that a leak had appeared in the PCV [Primary Containment Vessel] or its peripherals in the period prior to about 21:55.
  • Such damage as would degrade the containment function occurred to the Unit 2 PCV or its Peripherals between around 13:45 and around 18:10 on March 14 is given sufficient recognition, and there is an exceedingly high possibility that more significant damage occurred subsequently.
  • See also: Tepco: We should’ve told public sooner… we failed to cool fuel after meltdowns

Perhaps there was a reason why the person in charge at Fukushima Daiichi was “bracing for the worst – a total failure in which the fuel melts and breaches…the containment vessel”?

Published: September 1st, 2014 at 5:20 pm ET


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189 comments to Deceased Fukushima Chief: “I thought we were really dead” — Fear of “nuclear doom for eastern Japan” — “A total failure in which the fuel melts and breaches… containment vessel”

  • johnnyo

    How can we force them to stop lying to us?

    Well, nine-eleven truth for starters.

    We must tear down the entire system and start from scratch

    Capitalism has failed. I said this in the fall of '11 and got a lot of push back here. Now?? I think more understand.

    • johnnyo: How can we force them to stop lying to us?

      Arrest the perps at the top of the nuclear corp food chain; cause Mr Moniz to be the interim DoE WIPP boy… to over see the remaining DoE DoD Nuclear cycle activities: waste management… lol

      one thought that crossed my mind on reading your question…

      • johnnyo

        wish I could just walk into their offices and arrest them. Or u and together Obvious. Wouldn't that be cool. But in the real world, as it stands, they are untouchable.

        We must tear down the entire Military-Gov-Media-Corp Complex. Hell of a task. Will not happen unless we zero in like a laser on 9/11 TRUTH. Our only prayer. They got sloppy, left us too many clues. We can ignore them and submit. Or, we can begin the dismantling process. In other words, peaceful revolution.

      • PurpleRain PurpleRain

        I wish that we could arrest and charge all of those at the top of the Nuclear Power .. and those at the top of the Chemical Corporations and Mining and all the others who don't clean up their own waste!!!! Regulations are always necessary and required to keep Capitalism in check… the only other alternative is uprising.

    • I think that Joe/Jane public does understand what's going on, but most of them are afraid that anarchy will replace the totally corrupt system we have now.

      From about 2016 onwards huge numbers of people, worldwide, will start having serious health issues: cancers, heart disease, genetic defects, et al, and it will continue over the following decades.

      This may or may not be a tipping point, because who knows what other things will be happening. We are now going through an almost exact re-run of events in the former part of the 20th century: the rise of fascism, economic collapse, and, eventually, a world war.

      Due to corruption and bad management, America, for example, now owes so much debt that the only way out of jail is to start a major war and steal the resources from other lands.

      The interesting thing is to see if the general public buy the con, yet again.

      In this wired-up world I don't think they will.

      That's when things will get really interesting, albeit a little bit hairy for those folks who crave 'stability'.

      • We Not They Finally

        "I think that Joe/Jane public does understand what's going on." I think more likely that "Joe/Jane public" has little clue. Many people do seem to know something is terribly wrong, but may buy anything but the obvious.

        Being propagandized takes on energy of its own. Like when it was recently reported on the local news (because Cambridge, home of the company, is right next door) that bio-tech company Sarepta had developed an ebola vaccine that had "already been tested for human safety," no one gasped and said, "WHAT?? Who would volunteer for such testing?" Then when it was blandly added that the $291 million to develop it came not from the CDC, but from the U.S. Department of Defense[holy WMD!!], it was another big ho-hum.

        If the line coming up is that global warming somehow caused all the fish die-offs, or that it is just localized, or that next year might be better, chances are people WILL buy it.

        Look, for many weeks now, we hear about the terrible Ukrainian separatists and how THEY are driving us towards WW III. Like anyone in power even CARES about Ukrainian freedom? Turns out that Putin is going on an all-out assault on the petrodollar[!], which will bankrupt the U.S., so turning Russia into a pariah is just "coincidentally" occurring with the rise of the terrible "Russian-back separatists?" Are we there? Do we know? Is anyone getting that upset about being lied to?

        "Joe/Jane public"? Not too smart a cat.

        • Ana Ana

          Almost all of the Joe/Jane folks I talk to are clueless and want to stay that way. This includes educated folks (PhD in chemistry, lawyers, doctors) and not educated folks. I feel like I am rolling a rock uphill every time I start talking to someone. Luckily I met someone from this list by accident last week and it was wonderful to talk to a person with their brains on.
          Ana in Sacramento

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            If you can't see it, taste it, or smell it, then it's best too just believe its not there.. 🙁

            All these people have bills to pay and thus no time too wonder or play and it was all designed long ago to be this way…

        • lol… okay, so, a lot of people have to be made aware and the energy channeled in constructive ways…

          how abut we airdrop a bunch of information/activism kits via drones across America…

        • melting mermaid melting mermaid

          Consider these numbers. In WW1, civilian deaths were around 10%. In WW2, they were around 50%. Vietnam 70%. Iraq 90%. Civilians need to think long and hard about starting WW3 and our inculturated callousness and the insidious ways in which we are goaded into war. It is an art and a science. And we are their prey. Its not just a " tremendous light show", they don't just kill "the evil doers". You cannot and you will never be able to achieve peace at the end of the barrel of a gun or the bottom of a bomb. It is all a lie and a supremely selfish act of institutional self preservation.

      • weegokiburi weegokiburi

        Who do you imagine controls the wires in this Brave New wired-up World.
        Try using internet in North Korea.

    • lucius.cornelius

      How can we force them to stop lying to us?

      The media is the issue. Without the connivance of the media none of the coups, regime changes, scare stories based on made up science, false flag terror incidents, tax evasion, etc, would have been possible.
      And seeing as how the MSM is not so much "in bed" with power as it is married to it, an alternative media must be constructed from the ground up.

      Or forget any kind of change for the better.

    • 4Yahshua

      9~2~5995 (out of 6000) in this "Twilight Zone Apocalypse"!
      Nuclear Winter NOT Summer! Last Evil Days of "Manmean".
      Yes! Yahshua the Messiah returns VERY SOON! HalleluYah!

      We CAN'T stop them lying to us! We can only LEARN the TRUTH, live it, and share it with others as long as we can. Horrendous prophetic events are upon us. Those believing the truth have the most possibility of surviving. I've put my hand into the Hand of the Man from Galilee.

      The BIBLE = Best Instructions Before Leaving Earth!

      • johnnyo

        bible = predictive programming written by evil motherfuckers that have seen what it takes to destroy a civilization. Several times.

        Self fulfilling prophecy is easy when you create a globe full of morons.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          Prejudicial [pre-judging] labeling is due to lack of knowledge. Nuclear radiation is destroying all life. The nuclear industry has destroyed the earth. The nuclear industry is not run by Christians or Bible readers. Neither is Monsanto. Neither are the pesticide and herbicide creators and dispensers. It is the evil hearts of people which have destroyed the earth.

          • johnnyo

            dont know what they read but agree, they dont waste their time on predictive programing bullshit. neither do u in reality. But they LOVE when the sheeple do.

    • Sacrifice Zones, Nuclear Power and the Sacrificial Victims System Is Spreading Globally As Part Of Predatory Capitalism

  • Just about all of Japan is toast. Anyone who's followed the Fukushima disaster closely knows this. It's why this kind of stuff is totally bizaare:

    But in the totally wacko world of what is now the western police states, Japan 2020 will probably go ahead. It has echoes of the May Day parade in Kiev in 1986, in which more than 100,000 children were brought out on to the streets on a sunny, yet heavily radioactive day.

    Any studies been done on how many of these (then) children are still alive?

    • We Not They Finally

      It's always business as usual until enough people keel over dead. Then it's called a fluke, or "a mystery." Yet if you tell people lies and throw "experts" at them, they'll get all panicked and scared. Like red, orange and yellow alerts about the guys from the Afghanistan caves sailing overhead for a 911 redux.

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    well the irony of the late Yoshida fearing for the worst is too obvious….lets go way back to ancient egypt and Akhenaton. How unfortunately true about pro nuclearists.

    "True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance."


    • OldFool

      Did he really say this? – if so, he really hits the nail on the head. Puts him in the top 0.1% of the human race in basic common sense. It would appear the world would be far better off with a man dead for 3400 years at the helm, even though he had some lapses in judgment himself in facing external/internal political threats. The next 300 years should be a bit stressful with a full radioactive core release from 3 reactors into the Pacific. TEPCO's unwillingness (as a profit seeking corporation) to spend the necessary money to block it seals the fate of the North Pacific. The human population will need to be culled by Two Billion poor people or so to bring the safe food supply into balance with the population it can support. Might get extremely unpleasant within 100 years.

    • 53rockwell 53rockwell

      Lets go way back to ancient egypt and Akhenaton. Wo theF is tat, Get outta here weierdo.

      • 53rockwell 53rockwell

        Made up shit lETS GO BAck to Britain,after the roman empire came un, You are sure full of it,Code:) and Im saying you are full of shit!

        • johnnyo

          whooa there big fella….ease it on down a notch. Uncalled for.
          Unsportsmanlike conduct. Dynastic Egypt aint even that far back.
          Atlantis was real, ask Plato.

          Ancient Indians were flying around in Vimanas 20,000 years ago. Google underwater cities. Rings and other jewlery found inside chunks of coal several MILLION years old.

          This 'ol rock seen plenty "advanced" civilizations come and go. The question is why are "they" so afraid to go there.

          Because greed mixed with hubris ALWAYS ends badly, a lesson they would rather ignore.

          Rock, u owe Code an apology, maybe after the Labor Day hangover

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Ho,53 Rockwell de gloves deh are off. Im black, jewish, female, radioactive and proud! AND I wear dark rim glasses and play clarinet.

        For your missplaced verbage, Im gonna lay somethin on ya….wait for it….you got no rhythm. Am I right? Aint I right? I KNOW Im right. And let me tell you somethin bout Alvin Lee….he was a brit, and ALL his music had roots in greats like T-Bone Walker, Big Joe Turner, Louis Jordan and Bo Diddly. And if my people hadnt of imported em for plantation work, then later ruled the media industry, there would BE no Ten Years After.

        So next time watch yo mouth black daniels breath. Ha, just jivin! love ya Rocky

  • Homolumina Homolumina

    “I thought we were really dead” — Fear of “nuclear doom for eastern Japan” — “A total failure in which the fuel melts and breaches… containment vessel”

    Conclusion : Eastern Japan is doomed

  • rogerthat

    Yoshida feared ''nuclear doom for eastern japan'' if the worst happened.
    Kan feared 50 million people would need to be evacuated if the worst happened.
    Chris Harris, former licensed Senior Reactor Operator & engineer, Aug 21, 2014 (at 24:00 in): NHK just [broadcasted] that many studies are showing… that multiple cores — parts of it, or some, or even most of it — had been ejected. We thought that too. Once you breach containment, that was one of my big concerns — where did the core go after an explosion like? Whether it be steam or hydrogen explosion or a combination of both… it got ‘sneezed out’ all over the place. It’s totally – it’s a huge mess.
    – Anyone with half a brain knows the worst happened. Anyone with half a brain who watched the videos of the explosions that reduced these giant nuclear reactors to rubble knows the worst happened. Yoshida died of cancer and Kan, once wildly pro-nuclear, is now profoundly anti-nuclear and spreading the message far and wide.
    The United Nations, the International Atomic Energy Agency, the World Health Organisation, various Nuclear Regulatory Commissions, major governments and their officials, a large number of alleged medical experts and a large number of alleged scientists appear to have less than half a brain. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.

    • rogerthat

      … but don't worry, Japan's Ministry of Trade and Industry has a Plan:
      By Vittorio Hernandez September 2
      Sept 1 is National Disaster Prevention Day in Japan and to observe it, the Trade and Industry Ministry advised citizens to stock toilet paper…
      The ministry admits that the paper used to wipe bottoms after answering the call of nature is normally not considered a relief material, unlike more basic items such as food, water and clothing. But they only realise the value of the toilet paper when become aware of its shortage or during an hour of great need…
      While tissue paper may substitute, ministry officials pointed out that toilet paper dissolves in water, but tissue paper do not, running the risk of clogging toilets and sewerage pipes…
      – true, still tragic but extremely funny, so it's ok to laugh, i think ha ha

      • weegokiburi weegokiburi

        Come next big quake we will all be wondering about the consequences at Japan's other NPPs and shitting ourselves about what is going to happen.
        So lots of toilet paper seems like a good plan. 🙂

      • rogerthat

        … it's a serious story, and ends on this alarming note:
        ''… Besides Japan, Venezuela also suffered from a toilet paper shortage 12 months ago.''

        • weegokiburi weegokiburi

          Seems like an opportunity for Abe.
          Rather than exporting NPP technology Japan could export TPP (toilet paper plant) technology to Venezuala.
          It's a win win deal.
          Japan has the worlds no1 toilet tech by far.

    • Runningonlove Runningonlove

      "Anybody with half a brain.. can measure hot particles in the rain,
      but we don't give a f**k, turn on the TV, escape to an ersatz reality"
      Just 1 of 9 pithy verses in this Enenewser's new anti-nuke anthem, coincidentally enuff!

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The Yoshida Testimony

    "The Yoshida testimony report comprises seven parts and contains about 500,000 characters in total. It is printed on more than 400 pages of A4-size paper.

    Eleven of the 13 interview sessions with Yoshida were conducted at a Japan Football Association Academy meeting room at the J-Village soccer training facility, 20 kilometers south of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant. The remaining two sessions took place in a quake-proof control center building, Yoshida’s workplace, at the Fukushima No. 1 plant.

    The government’s Investigation Committee on the Accident at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Stations of Tokyo Electric Power Co. interviewed 772 individuals over a total of 1,479 hours. The Yoshida testimony was compiled during that process."

  • I'm the only person on this entire fecking site who posts under their real name.

    Think about it…

    I'm not afraid of them, so why are you…

    • bo bo

      Hi Rob
      Just clicked on your name and realized who you are the Burgundy blogger.
      Your site was along with Greenroadblog was one of the first sites the helped me to get informed. A belated thank you.

    • combomelt combomelt

      hey Rob,

      I thought about it,

      you may not care

      others care. care to remain anonymous

      it isn't a challenge

      some think it's life preservation in the present to remain anonymous

      others fear nothing

      who's to say whats right man?



      c'mon. YOU think about it.

    • My moniker links to who i am, my life, and the work i do. No one here or hardly anywhere else i blog knows me anyway, and i figure that the NSA knows where to reach me.

    • We Not They Finally

      Sometimes it's not fear, just sensible precaution. Like Judy Wood (the ONLY one apparently to decipher 9-1-1 engineering-wise) has said, "People with families have to start thinking differently." And some people have had seriously bad things done to them privately, so they may or may not want to be waving public identity flags.

      There are a lot of gutsy people on this website. People's reasons may not always be that obvious. IMHO.

    • Sickputer

      RobG typed these pixels of light:

      "I'm not afraid of them, so why are you…"

      SP: Other Enenewsers use their real name…you are one among a few who use their real names. Kudos for you and their ability to do so. Some Enenewsers work in jobs that aren't so keen on their employees posting about radiation issues.

      As for many of us we prefer a thin layer of anonymity for personal reasons, not necessarily job-related. We're very easy to find if BB wants to find us. And when they begin to strap the rat cage on my face I'm going to say: "Do it to Bob, not me!"

      …just kidding…they prefer Chinese water torture over such messy Stalin tactics. Lasts longer for their enjoyment. >;-) So…Blub! Blub…. (They don't want to really even hear my mental breakdown.)

      My real name is the same as 36,270 other males in America. We are legion. 😉

      But please call me Sickputer. I am afraid there will be far more than just sick computers in the burgeoning Fallout Age.

      • sayonara kitty sayonara kitty

        when the whole NSA story broke (years after it first broke) i used to say that i think we should all legally change our names to john and jane doe. just to mess with them… ohh and "rat cage to the face…." that is a vision that will be hard to shake… sorry, off topic.

      • bo bo

        SP- hehe.. lucky you – I still share my full name with nobody else on this planet, and do have some fame which already puts me all over google – I just like to keep that part separate from my comments on enenews 😉

    • Ana Ana

      I post my real name and the city where I live. You are not the only one who uses their real name.
      Ana in Sacramento

    • Go smoke another 4k plus chemical content death stick. Bernie Sanders knows me, my Father, and many of the VPRIG team I was affiliated with. WHO THE HELL CARES WHO THE HELL I AM, or for that matter who ANYONE IS???

      I will be adding new material to the ELEmentSky site. We have St90 visible in the Mojave sky. They reported this fact last week, St90 found in Cali. Just look up and look through a diffraction grid folks…Click my name for more info.

      • califnative califnative

        Ontological – I've been taking some incredible monsoon storm pictures here in Tucson, AZ that include the pink, purple and even green colors you mention, would you be interested in seeing them? Tucson readings for the last few days has been consistently 300+CPM per readings.

      • cedar cedar

        Onto, I agree with you, what the fuck does it matter who we are??? If someone wants to find out who we are, have at it. It's easy.
        When you see the black SUVs cruising by, that should give you a clue lol

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

      Well, I've had threats on this website, including beheading. begging Admin to get rid of me, suggestions to vote me off, etc. Just stick around long enough until we get more shill attacks.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        I don't know a caution against 'stretching your neck' to help your oppressors ..became a threat of beheading.

        I don't post in my real name that speculation as to my personage does not get in the way of my work.

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          Usual typo ..I don't "how" you say these things.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          Are you Rockwell? Do you follow his every comment?

          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            Actually ..this question is more appropriate for you..

            "Are you Rockwell? Do you follow his every comment?"

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

              Heart. As usual, you are totally off-topic.

              I notice you didn't answer my questions.

              But to answer yours, I am not Rockwell or anyone else, although I did used to comment under "anne". And I don't follow all of anyone's comments.

              If you don't have anything else to do but to try to torment me and spread confusion and disinformation, please buzz off.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

              You are not the only person on this website who has threatened to behead me. Your guilt doesn't cover every comment on the website. Only a wacko would laugh.

        • cedar cedar

          Heart of the Rose – We are not a name – we are a number.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          @Heart, did you read my comment below:

          September 2, 2014 at 8:15 pm

          You are not the only person on this website who has threatened to behead me. Your guilt doesn't cover every comment on the website. Only a wacko would laugh.

          In addition, when one person is completely disrespectful, because of mob mentality, others will jump in also. And you can't say that you and others haven't been totally disrespectful many, many times over the last 3.5 years. Either a person values all life, or no life at all including one's own.

          And your metaphor "stretching one's neck" is definitely alluding to beheading. So it is a threat to behead me, if I don't agree with whatever your political game is. A warning is a threat, and it is also a felony whether or not one carries out the threat.

          And how many times have you now used this threat against me? Is it 3 or 4 times?

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            @Heart, your friend specifically used the word "behead" and a lot of very nasty, disgusting labels for me. And you actually supported him by saying that some girls like being talked to "dirty" (which I definitely don't).

            You also used the beheading metaphor for Sister Megan Rice. And you criticized Arnie Gundersen many times also. So you definitely seem determined to attack those who are most anti-Nuke.

            So stop harassing me. That is a felony also.

            • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

              Yep..I did..
              Megan Rice did something illegal.thereby 'stretching her neck"..
              Arnie ..and his cold pancake..
              It's all good .. he'sat present not even on my radar.
              You know. .I'm sure all..know how you feel about me ..VanneV.
              No one is harassing you's your victimization complex ..getting the best of you.

              PS..Leave me out of what you and Rockwell have going on.. and I promise not to find how he speaks to you amusing.


          • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

            Quote VanneV :
            “…And you can't say that you and others haven't been totally disrespectful many, many times over the last 3.5 years…”


            There used to be a user named anne who had a history of aggressive misinterpretating other peoples disagreeïng comments , so the dirty (and very taunting ) counterattack she produces looks called for..from a distance..being suspiciously quick to accuse long standing good members of being a trol or pro-nuke shill , and got called out by bystanding witnesses for fabricating and telling lies to the public to attack others , all for personal disagreements and character frictions… and the final defense is indeed alway's playing the victim..”You/They attacked me…” with or without quotes from old books only a selfdestructif shizo or would be martyr would/could interpret literally in public 2014, as an argument…alway's refusing to take responsibility for her own behaviour or understanding why she alway's makes enemy's…because that would mess with the “i'm a martyr” dynamic..

            She should take a behaviour therapy class where they let you argue in a safe environment and then help you analyse/become aware of what you do..
            could be eye-Opening for a change..


            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

              Before clicking 'Submit Comment', please make sure it's: 4) Not insulting, rude or hateful – No personal attacks;

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

              “They Use Reverse Logic

              ”Reversalism is another term I have coined. Reversalism explains the phenomena that exists in the culture of death, by which logic is turned upside down and there is much play on words. The reality is that if we reverse the typical Muslim accusations to reflect on them, we would get the truth. When one examines all the supposed conspiracies, one finds that only the terrorist conspiracy is real. Jihadism has one main conspiracy – the destruction of modern secular society and the establishment of Islamic hegemony.

              “In this reversalist mentality, Zionists are Nazis, liberating Iraq from Saddam is an occupation, death is life, sorrow is joy, conspirators are victims, and victims are terrorists. It’s quite amazing. So much of this reversalist mindset is a result of trusting conjecture. Conjecture is always the tool of bigoted scholarship, if one can indeed call it scholarship…”

              Walid Shoebat, “Why We Want to Kill You! The Jihadist Mindset and How to Defeat it” (2007), p. 107.

              • johnnyo

                W shoe bat….zionist FRAUD, please "anne" u gotta do better than this shlock. U haven't even apologized for saying Hamas is in the Ukraine. Remember, this is not ur fox snooze audience u r trying to bamboozle with tel aviv's propaganda


                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  I just posted an article on Hamas in the Ukraine. Please correct the journalist. As for Mr. Shoebat, please read his quotations from the Quran, Hadith, and other scholarly Islamic documents and the Christian and Jewish Bibles.

                  Anyway, he is not a Zionist, but a Christian.

                  If you really want to criticize the Bible, you have to first read it and make quotations that you disagree with.

                  Mr. Shoebat has a Muslim father and a Christian mother. According to Islam he is still a Muslim, even though he professes Christianity.

                  It is better to stick with the facts and logical arguments and skip attacking individuals.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      I am a Christian and a female and I never post on other websites. I am not Jason. Calling me names is a fabrication of the truth. I would quote more verses from the Christian Bible, but I don't want to be put in moderation.

                      You need to stick to discussing ideas and skip the name calling.

                    • johnnyo

                      or "anne" if u still wanna pretend u r a 73 yr old christian virgin who can post 6 unrelated comments w/links in ten minutes

                      read the article like u suggest others do ur garbage. Say exactly where u disagree with how it is proven shoebat is a Zionist punk. 2 can play that game.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      I have 3 children. Why don't you stick to nuclear issues in the threads and stop wasting everyone's time?

                      I sometimes do research and post the links in a Microsoft Word document. To copy and paste, you just highlight and then press Control C to copy and Control V to paste. For the link, just click on the url which turns blue, then Control V and Control Z.

                      Then copy and paste from the Microsoft Word document to

                      I have 2 degrees in Organ Performance and have been a pianist since I was 5 and my fingers type very quickly.

                      Also I have an ergonomic keyboard for typing and just use a computer with a tower for the hard drive, and I also have broadband from my telephone company.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      I don't have wifi. All my phones are land-based.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Admin knows who I am. I am not Jason. You are wasting everyone's time and name calling is a waste of time and extremely juvenile and slander as well. Slander is a prosecutable crime.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

              I've never told lies, and DID is totally mistaken and has no quotes to sustain his argument.

              • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                Indeed VanneV , just another witness..and i can't be bothered to let this become another entertainement for sicko's.. you did it to me too , and i was able of letting it pass..because i saw it coming and had tought about that moment..long ago..
                calling someone a pronuke shill or troll… on this site..when he / she issen't.. is equall to calling someone a massmurder or close to ..
                You are not the only one here that should think about that..

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  Your posts without quotes are totally without context and who knows if they are true or not or what the context was. And why did you even join the dialogue? Your posts don't seem to agree with your professed intent.

                  • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                    Whatever VanneV , i have said it so you know it..

                    I'm out of it for now..

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      If you look at the beginning of this sub thread, we were responding to RobG as to why people didn't use their real names on this website. Then it all turned into an attack on me. I hadn't referred to any person, just that people seem very hostile at times.

                      I remember having asked people sometimes if they were a shill. That is much different than calling someone a shill. But maybe there is a language barrier and there is miscommunication. Asking a question is just asking for clarification. And I really don't remember asking you? I do sometimes wonder why people are on this website because it seems that their comments are really more interested in a particular political position more than trying to get rid of nuclear energy. But I really don't remember many of your comments except about how to get rid of bronchitis, which saved my life so I am actually extremely hurt by your attacks now.

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      I have also no joy in this VanneV , none , and i'm sorry for my wording's too..i can see i was very see i made it a personal point long ago being extra carefull and respectfull with when you reponded to me like "i guess your a troll too.." or something iirc..for disagreeing civilised enough about something , it was not tasty..but i swallowed and ignored my pride..i could because i had practised in my mind.. after i saw you saying things like "i think x is pronuke" about at least two respected long time member's like yourself..
                      And there was a situation where you said something about "x" that made another superhonest and transparant member intervene with : "that's a lie anne"… and even added iirc "and you know it because.." that you could not deny or answer to..and i made a somewhat encripted but obvious comment about that when you declared pagan as satanisme..
                      I think i made a reference to mcarthy and lying about good people to discredit clearly pointing at you..that you also had no choice but to ignore..

                      Its all water under the bridge now.. and i would like to move on like good coëxister's do..
                      Mutual respect..
                      i came in the "dialogue" to tell you that you are not so innocent as you think..

                      And neither am i.. sorry about that 🙁

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      It isn't water under the bridge because I don't remember and don't think I would have said anything like that.

                      You must have mixed me up with someone else.

                      I'm trying to google something. You have 683 hits on google with your name and I will keep looking.

                      What year would this have been?

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Your search – DisasterInterpretationDissorder satanism pagan anne mccarthy – did not match any documents.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Your search – DisasterInterpretationDissorder satanisme pagan mccarthy – did not match any documents.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      No results found for DisasterInterpretationDissorder satanism pagan mccarthy

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      "What year would this have been?"


                      At least a year ago , maybe two.. , i already searched for it , my mcarthy comment was in the OT forum .

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      I've been looking for hours. I'll look again tomorrow. I do remember that one of your avatars (you change them all the time) around a year ago looked like the TA for my free online nuclear engineering class. He worked for Westinghouse, and I did wonder if you were that person.

                      I looked in O.T. for April and August, 2013, but it takes hours.

    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      Two month's or someting ago there was someone stating the spooks broke his knee iirc..wish i bookmarked the thread where the post was made.. then again they screwed my pc again so it would have been lost anyway..

  • rogerthat
    …When stressed, adult sea stars reproduce … "We've seen a lot of babies," … "Hopefully those little guys survive," … Wasting syndrome first decimated softer-bodied sea stars, next diminished medium-bodied ones, and now attacks harder-bodied stars … "It's been very mysterious in a lot of ways," … Unlike previous wasting events, this one occurs in warm and cold water, near and far from pollutant discharge, and in areas affected by and not affected by drought. … To date, no one has found Fukushima radiation where the syndrome is observed. …

  • rogerthat
    Three cities in Chiba Prefecture that were heavily contaminated with radioactive materials as a result of the March 2011 nuclear meltdowns at Tokyo Electric Power Co.’s Fukushima No. 1 plant will build facilities to store incinerated radioactive waste in their own municipalities if the central government fails to find a final waste disposal site, NHK reported Monday. …

  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    I don't know if this has come up yet, but, on the subject of fun things to do in Fukushima Prefecture…

    "Fukushima okays nuke waste storages in return for almost $3bn in subsidies"

    The things people will do for money, it truly beggars belief.

    • danger kitty danger kitty

      I'm glad you posted about the nuke waste dump. I doubt the residents of the surrounding areas will see more than token amounts of the billions, the lion's share, of course, will go to the mayor and his thugs– I heard the people were furious. Might need those thugs.
      Lookin' a lot like 3+ years of premeditated murder.

      • davidh7426 davidh7426

        I'd be surprised if more than a few of the residents actually know about it.

        I wonder what he'll use the money for…

        New hospitals, rehousing the residents as far as possible away from Fukushima…

        Or a brand new, fully loaded bank account, and a fast plane ticket too as far away as possible.

    • weegokiburi weegokiburi

      Amazing how deep pockets (3 billion dollars) have the effect of deepening understanding.
      "We succeeded in greatly deepening (local officials’) understanding (of our storage facility plan),” Nobuteru Ishihara, environment minister, told journalists on Tuesday, as quoted by The Asahi Shimbun media outlet, following his meeting with members of the town assemblies of Futaba and Okuma."

  • rogerthat
    (from BP's recently released Statistical Review of World Energy 2014)
    Globally, coal consumption grew 3% in 2013 … Nuclear saw its first increase since 2010, climbing 0.9%. … Renewables generation … soared 16.3% and accounted for a record 5.3% share of global power generation … wind energy (up 20.7%) again accounted for more than half of renewable power generation growth, and solar power generation grew even more rapidly (33%) …
    Natural gas consumption also grew in 2013, although below the historical average …

  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    Before, I was just plain old 'Hello Kitty'…

    But after the Nuclear Power Plant blew up, something strange happened to me…

    I became GODZILLA-KITTY !!!ROAR!!!…

    able to light up whole cities with my amazing 'glow-in-the-dark' ability.

  • rogerthat
    The Great Pacific Race, Adventure and Science on the Open Sea
    University of Hawaii, The Great Pacific Race and Project Kaisei collaborate on Fukushima disaster study.
    Honolulu , Hawaii (PRWEB) September 01
    – From the Project Kaisei video, which looks at the North Pacific Gyre and the global garbage dump formerly known as the Pacific Ocean: … ''We saw very little signs of life'' …

  • rogerthat
    (press release)
    Inorganic Scintillation Detectors Market Worth $299.2 Million by 2018
    … Technological advancements in inorganic scintillators rise in security threats to drive the radiation detection market for homeland security, increase in PET/CT scans, increasing incidence of cancer, paramount concern for safety in the wake of Fukushima disaster are the key factors that are expected to drive the growth of this market. The primary factors that are restraining the growth of this market include shortage in nuclear power and radiation workforce, decline of number of power plants and shortage of Helium-3. …
    The Eighth International Conference on Sensing Technology (ICST 2014) hosted by Liverpool John Moores University (LJMU) will support the crucial links between technological devices and the world around them in order to benefit multiple areas, from the health care sector through to sporting and military applications.
    Starting tomorrow, and running until Thursday, LJMU will welcome researchers, scientists, engineers and practitioners from throughout the world to present the latest research findings, ideas, developments and applications in the area of sensing technology … “Sensors can help to solve natural disasters such as the UK floods and industrial accidents such as Fukushima in Japan…

  • rogerthat
    … The plaintiffs claim the subcontractor, their direct employer, orally explained that the dangerous-work benefit would be paid but only a token amount was paid to one of them. They also noted that Tepco, when questioned during a Diet session, said it was paying ¥10,000 to ¥100,000 per person in such benefits.
    In a press conference Monday, the attorney, Tsuguo Hirota, said Tepco is liable for the payment as it “was responsible to supervise the subcontractors so that the dangerous-work benefit was paid to all workers, but it didn’t.” He also said he wants to bring to light how workers are exploited by subcontractors of Tepco.
    A Tepco representative said: “We haven’t received the petition documents and don’t know the details (of the suit), but would like to deal with it appropriately after we learn about their demands and what they are saying.”

  • rogerthat
    Tohoku teenager recounts harrowing ordeal in 2011 tsunami for Paris audience
    … “Are you absolutely sure that you will never have a nuclear accident or tsunami here?” asked Ryoka Endo, a third-year high school student in Iwaki, Fukushima Prefecture, at a cultural festival highlighting the reconstruction of the disaster-stricken northeastern Japan….

  • rogerthat
    Highly radioactive boar found in Germany this week
    … The Saxony region is 700 miles from Chernobyl yet still harbors this ongoing problem. Foods such as mushrooms and wild berries are still considered unsafe to eat in Germany.

    • nedlifromvermont

      well, yeah, half life of thirty years for the cesium and strontium dusts … and add in bio-concentration …. you are looking at several hundred years, minimum, before the wild boar in Saxony is safe to eat again … a small price to pay (sarc) for the wonderful benefits (excess profits from uranium mining and refining) from the light water reactor business … brought to you by the nuketards at GE, and other leading corporations, who worry about your comfort (not so much) and their bottom line (way too much) …

      peace 'newsers …. still alive in SE Vermont (hiding in plain sight)

      • melting mermaid melting mermaid

        Nedli, my neighbors just said they were trying to turn VY into a dumpsite? All that work to shut it down and theyre going to turn our beautiful Vermont into a wasteland. Nuke nuckers and frucking frackers and the doctors of desolation. Now I'm cussing like Ned Flanders. Dumb diddly d@#$heads! I hate them. What gives them the right?

  • 53rockwell 53rockwell
    one of these days. She got that red dress on::)

  • jcfougere jcfougere

    Thought I would share this rant, posted and directed to a friend in the industry who just doesn't get it…

    There a a lot of things I could counter argue, but it doesn't really matter.

    Nuclear has been sold as a safe alternative, with the calculated risk of meltdown and loss of containment at almost impossible.

    Fukushima from the beginning has had not one, or two, but three meltdowns, and loss of containment. All the bullshit articles, models, predictions on the impacts of fukushima are based on one small release, and not meltdowns. It took Tepco how many years to finally admit to complete meltdowns?

    How much Plutonium was in Reactor 3? Pu-239 half-life 24,000 years.
    Pu-240 6,500 years. Am-241 432 years, I-129 15.7 million years.

    Close to 100 tonnes of MOX fuel in reactor 3. Melted down, melted out, and in contact with ground water beneath the plant. Tepco says 400 tonnes of water is leaking in to the ocean daily. Every day since March 2011.

    Fuel fragments have been found over 50km away from the plant. Reactor 3 exploded, and either fuel from the pool, or from the reactor core itself was blown into the environment.

    Tepco has no plan, and they have admitted it is not possible to retain the coria. They don't know where the cores are, they don't have a plan to stop water from coming in to contact with the coria, they can't even send robots to inspect.

    Comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl isn't logical. Chernobyl had a smaller core, and only…

  • jcfougere jcfougere

    Chernobyl had a smaller core, and only a partial meltdown, which was contained. Fukushima has three meltdowns, no containment, and much larger cores.

    How then, can anyone still claim nuclear is safe, clean, and has less impact than other energies?

    Sure the media likes to show numbers of deaths directly relating to each industry, but what difference does that make when no one is even doing the science to rule out low level radiation? Low level was given the a-okay rubber stamp, and that's it! Of course no deaths are attributed to nuclear, no one is doing the science to prove otherwise!

    Forbes has 0 credibility. Their "experts" tell the public that radioactive fallout, including Cs-137, are the same as K-40 and background radiation from space. The talk comparing man-made isotopes and Bananas is criminal. Since you're in the industry I'm sure you know there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever between the effects of natural radiation and man-made radiation. External and internal radiation aren't the same. You can't compare a flight or an x-ray to eating contaminated food.

    Specific activity for K-40 0.0000071 (Ci/g)
    Specific activity for Cm-134 1,300 (Ci/g)

    So much misinformation, so much downplaying of risks. How is all that man-made radiation going to affect the ocean? Is it worth the risks? In Canada we have plants the shores of Lake Ontario, Lake Huron and Lake Michigan. We can't control fission when an accident happens, and we can't take back…

  • jcfougere jcfougere

    last millions of years once they enter the biosphere. So is it the truth that eating food contaminated with Cm-134 and Sr-90 is safe? What about the other 1000's of daughters that are created during fission? Why do I keep hearing the same old bullshit reports that fukushima is less than an x-ray, and like eating a banana, that doesn't even make fucking sense!

    I hope for all our sake I'm wrong. I really don't relish in the idea that everyone I know may die of cancer, and soon. Because really that's what we're all facing isn't it? There's no denying that in 2011 we all breathed in hot particles. They have been collected in air filters all over North America. So the only question that remains, is is it safe to breathe it in, and will it give us cancer? Will a hot particle stuck in my lungs give me cancer? Will the Strontium I absorb in to my bones give me leukemia? How about will the Cesium deposit in my heart muscles and give me a heart attack? If the radiation that comes from these isotopes is harmless then we're good to go. I really think you have to defy logic to come to that conclusion. No one is even talking about it, no one is testing for it, and so we'll probably never know.

    Nuclear industry is huge, I know. We use it to scan our bodies, we use it to see our bones, we inject it into our veins to kill cancer cells, we irradiate food with Cobalt-60 to make it "safe". Canada exports Uranium.

    I'm no expert, but I do understand simple science…

  • jcfougere jcfougere

    I'm no expert, but I do understand simple science. Meltdowns continue to happen and release radio-isotopes, they bio-accumulate and make their way in to our bodies. They irradiate local tissues, but we're expected to believe there's a safe dose for which no negative effects occur. It's been proven there is no safe dose, internal or external, there are no health benefits to any radiation, but that science is ignored in favor of the industry, the economy, and jobs. What good is a paycheck if we all end up sick and dying?

    /end rant

  • Ana Ana

    Everything he feared came to pass.
    Ana in Sacramento

  • mutante mutante

    The damage was done back in the early to mid 1940s.
    Asshole nuclear physicists, such Oppenheimer & his scum-sucking cronies, sealed mankind's fate 70 years ago.
    Truman, the little blood-thirsty hat salesman, dropped 2 of those repulsive, maniacal death devices on Japan.
    It sure was an easy thing to do from 7,000 miles away.
    Now, we have, Chernobyl & Fukushima, with 1000s of "mini" radioactive releases, in the interim.

    The game is over. Life is over. We have shit our bed with lethal, radioactive particles that can't be cleaned up. Our bed is our world.
    The meek do not inherit the earth, the meek die in their own radioactive shit.

    • KANYUN

      They were drones for murder machine leach corporations; all those patriotic chameleons. You know them well my friends, rats leaving the sinking ship.

      Ask Kevin Blanch about miracles?

      Those living along fault lines in America should be ready for active events shortly. Earthquake prepairedness a priority. Those living near safe (sarcasm) atomic power plants should have potassium iodide at hand. It never hurts to be ready.


  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    Masao Yoshida didn't last long, and there must be countless others.

  • ISeePinkClouds

    In the heading it is mentioned that a lot of work began on the 14th of March to try to cool the reactor cores. The Earthquake and Tsunami happened on the afternoon of the 11th. That would mean that nothing was done to prevent this disaster in the intervening 72 hours. That is incredulous. I know it is ex post facto. We still have this mess. Still, I would like an answer. I would like to see the person, or persons, responsible for this inexcusable error punished. Remember the Nuclear Industry assured us that nothing like this could ever happen because of safeguards built into the system. Those liars should be punished too. So why was nothing done to prevent the meltdowns until it was too late?

  • rogerthat
    Fukushima governor sets 5 conditions for storing radioactive waste
    The Fukushima governor issued five conditions for accepting radioactive debris at a planned interim storage facility, including a law stipulating that the waste will be moved outside the prefecture within 30 years.
    Governor Yuhei Sato’s demand for the legislation came at a meeting with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe in Tokyo on Sept. 1. During the talks, Sato conveyed the decision of the prefecture and the towns of Okuma and Futaba, which co-host the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, to accept construction of the storage facility…
    … local residents are concerned that the new storage facility in Okuma and Futaba will end up being the final disposal site for the estimated 20 million cubic meters of debris, enough to fill 13 to 18 Tokyo Domes, generated from the cleanup process. … The four other conditions for accepting shipments of the waste were: …
    Ishihara said the central government will take such requests seriously.
    – It sounds like 20 million cubic metres of seriously radioactive topsoil and other radioactive debris have found their final resting place. This 20 million cubic metres, enough to fill up to 18 Tokyo Domes, has already been moved once. It must now be collected from 54,000 different locations across the prefecture and driven to the new site, to be stored in what?

    • rogerthat

      … A radiation cemetery of 14 square kilometres, covered by thousands of concrete blockhouses of waste? Who knows? Will it be a tourist attraction? Will anyone want to live or farm nearby, or eat local food or drink local water? Who knows, anything is possible.
      But will this radioactive cemetery be moved somewhere else in 30 years' time? You tell me.

      • rogerthat

        My understanding is that this radioactive soil is the top 5cm of soil from contaminated land; that there is a lot more contaminated topsoil that needs to be collected, perhaps another 80 million cubic metres of it. Where will the new cemeteries be built? Who will accept them? Who will live next door?
        Finally, what about the soil below the removed topsoil? Radioactive particles did not read the script that said they should stop leaching into the soil at the 5cm mark.
        It all sounds grotesque. The Godzilla Cemeteries.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        These people and all their futures are screwed, and yes, it is all legal too and coming to a town near me and you… 🙁 Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tick…6-10 years until the next one blows.

        • rogerthat

          I wonder if anyone will run a book on it: Take a punt on your local utility, so if it blows you've got getaway money lol

          • rogerthat

            … Bookmaker William Hill's nuclear catastrophe insurance market, backed by Lloyd's of London. Wouldn't that be a blast.

    • nedlifromvermont

      @Rogerthat: "to be stored in what?"

      That's an easy one: 18 Tokyo Domes.

      Harder one please!

      Nedli (my real name) from Vermont (a real place … still)

      peace folks!

      • rogerthat

        Hi Nedli, 18 Tokyo Domes, oh goody, use them for the olympics, then fill them up. Hold the olympics in them again in 30 years' time, when they're empty. ah, dreams

    • He better add fines in case that waste is not removed and ability to lien property of TEPCO, because they are already welching on payments for small stuff that they agreed to pay, like compensation to radiation refugees as settlement.

      If they are not paying that, what makes him think they will honor this agreement, which means spending WAY more money?

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    The FDNPPs were designed to function only when the power was on. The tsumani took out harborside cooling pumps, backup generator fuel tanks, highline towers, and control room instruments. In the first days, auto batteries were wired into pressure and temperature monitoring circuits, fire engine water didn't reach the reactors, and replacement generators and switch gear arrived in the wrong voltage. The government privately debated the size of evacuation zones, and failed to distribute iodine tablets to the public. Meanwhile, TEPCO wanted to abandon the area, the government ordered them to stay, and the Fukushima 50, those who stayed on, rode out the four explosions, and the melt-downs, and the melt-throughs, and the melt-outs, that will render Japan a wasteland. Who are the criminals, here? Those at GE who designed these flawed machines? Those who delivered suitcases full of bribe money over all those years, and those governmental officials who took the bribes? Or the indecisive government officials who blocked evacuations? And now, as groundwater collects contamination from nuclear debris underneath Units1-4, delivering death to the Pacific Ocean, big contractors propose unworkable "Frozen Walls" for their piece of the cleanup loot, amidst the leaks, accidents, and neglect of a defunct nuclear corporation, who is to say who the real criminals are in all this?

    This thread is a lost cause, anyway. Didn't miss much over the weekend, did I, 'Newsers? ;

    • rogerthat

      Thank you PUN for a fine summary. Pretty gloomy stuff. Nero fiddled while Rome burnt. Nothing changes, ha ha.

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Sorry about the gloomy outlook, rogerthat.
      Spent the long weekend doing things like watching football games and NASCAR races.
      When I finally get back to ENEnews, I run into this terrible OT thread.
      Sometimes, I really have to wonder why I bother.
      Half the folks seem to advocate violent revolution.
      ("Bring out the guillotine, and the first of the GE and Tepco employees.
      It's going to be a long day.
      Hope you brought your kniting.")
      The other half of the folks seem to fear exposure and persecution by the police state, NSA, etc.
      Clearly, this thread has lost its focus.
      Many thanks to those who stay on topic! 😉

      • johnnyo

        PUP, not sure I understand your beef. Staying on topic is a noble cause to be sure, but as you demonstrate, the articles do not tell us any new information. Nothing we didn't already know so to stay completely on topic would be what?? repeating the same old tired worn out phrases that have been said a million times?

        What fun!! Lets preach to the choir. Wont do a bit of good, but hey, maybe it will make me feel better. Yeah boy, them TEPCO's are some real poopy heads. Japan sure is toast, right? Yep. Sucks dont it? Yep. Hey, wow, that guy was afraid. What a shocker! Proves he knew it was real bad….stop the freekin presses!! They knew????

        I began this thread with some advice for anybody truly interested in fixing the problem. If you believe the official 9/11 fairy tale why not just say so. To claim offering suggestions for saving our planet is off topic seems rather like missing the point of this sites entire existence.

        Likewise telling people that advanced civilizations have come and gone many times on this planet is spot ON topic if the issue is understanding WTF is going on. The evil clutching our futures neck would not fare well if humanity knew other civilizations had destroyed themselves. We could actually learn lessons, AND ACT ON what we learn.

        Capitalism must be ended. Period. If you wanna cry about that isn't on topic, I feel sorry for you.

        If it really upsets many others and/or admin….fix the OT forum.

        • johnnyo

          and just to reiterate…I clearly called for….AM calling for a PEACEFUL revolution.

          Socialism is not the dirty word we have been brainwashed to believe. It is the only chance we have to start the healing process. Power to the People, (right on).

          There should not exist any private corporations, duh. We, as an intelligent species, should decide the energy policies for our globe without ANY consideration for which policy will make a very small fraction obscenely wealthy.

      • mutante mutante

        Philip your posts are very informative. But to pigeonhole people into two camps is ridiculous.
        What type of attitude do you suggest is appropriate for such maniacal destructive cataclysmic actions?
        Should it be complete apathy?
        Should it be complete rage?
        Should it be extreme paranoia?
        Should it be that the psychopaths will have a cathartic moment of altruism?

        What is the appropriate response for this, Philip?

        • melting mermaid melting mermaid

          And if you can't connect some dots between this cataclysm, our foreign policy, the nuclear military industrial complex, the police state, out of control capitalism, fascism, plutocrats and plutonium your probably… a scientist.

          • mutante mutante

            This whole problems stems from last century:
            Instead of critically looking @ the almost infinite reasons as to why this maniacal technology
            should have never seen the light of day, MONSTERS, such as OPPENHEIMER and other obviously mad scientists working on the manhattan project pushed this ultimate poison-producing energy source forward with RECKLESS REGARD for the well being of BOTH MANKIND & ALL LIVING THINGS.
            They were not blind of its litany of dangers.

            May they rot in hell.

            • Angela_R

              Mutante; it was fear that supported it; for instance when suggested that 'they are working on it, if we don't use it, they will,' what was the answer..

          • tinfoiled tinfoiled

            It's hard for many, to wake up from an "American Dream" and discover you live in a nightmare.

            • mutante mutante

              The romantic Time / Life photo of the Sailor kissing his lover in the streets as the confetti flew in New York City after WW 2 had ended is an Icon representing the nativity to what had just happened in Hiroshima & Nagasaki: the acceptance of this maniacal technology as a rational means to "WIN" wars!!!!!
              It sure was easy to sell nuclear power after that:
              ATOMS FOR PEACE !!!!!!
              How insane is that !!!!!!!!!!!
              The deal was really done back in the 40s and 50s of last century…

      • rogerthat

        revolution = hope
        persecution = fear
        reality = despair
        “It’s not the despair, I can stand the despair; it’s the hope …”
        – from the movie Clockwise, starring John Cleese, still the funniest thing i've ever seen on screen.

        • mutante mutante

          Dr. Strangelove & Slim Pickens riding a nuke down to its target screaming , " YEHAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW".
          We are past the point of no return, just in a different way than the movie 🙁

    • ISeePinkClouds

      PUN…The Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System in one of three main components of the Emergency Core Cooling System. Here is what Wikipedia reports of this system:

      The RCIC system operates on high-pressure steam from the reactor itself, and thus is operable with no electric power other than battery power to operate the control valves. Those turn the RCIC on and off as necessary to maintain correct water levels in the reactor. (If run continuously, the RCIC would overfill the reactor and send water down its own steam supply line.) During a station blackout (where all off-site power is lost and the diesel generators fail) the RCIC system may be "black started" with no AC and manually activated. The RCIC system condenses its steam into the reactor suppression pool. The RCIC can make up this water loss, from either of two sources: a makeup water tank located outside containment, or the wetwell itself. [8]

      The RCIC is only one of three emergency backup systems, the other two being the High Pressure Injection Cooling System (HPCI), and the Isolation Condenser (IC). Any one of the three systems on each reactor has the ability to prevent a core meltdown.

      That means that in the case of these three reactor meltdowns that NINE emergency contingency systems failed simultaneously. All nine failed?

      Each was designed to withstand 8.0 quake. Fukuquake: 6.8

      Sorry OT. peace

      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        All components of the ECCS (Emergency Core Cooling System) failed at Fukushima.
        Here is an article on what exactly happened.
        Many thanks, ISeePinkClouds, for the clarification.

        • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

          "In addition to high pressure coolant injection (HPCI) and massive low pressure coolant injection (LPCI) pumps, the isolation condenser (IC) constitutes a third-line option of injecting auxiliary water into the RPV during the shutdown of BWR-3s like Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1. The IC condenses steam from the RPV and reintroduces the water near the vessel head entirely passively driven by convection and gravity. No pumps are needed. According to the scram log of Unit 1, the IC was initiated immediately after the seismic SCRAM, but had run dry for unknown reasons within two hours (see previous post with the title "Fukushima: Failure of the Mind" published May 17, 2011)."
          From the above linked article.
          The IC might have run dry within two hours, because all of the internal plumbing of the RPV had by that time been destroyed by the melting fuel assemblies. My thought is that the IC never operated successfully at all. 🙁
          Designed To Fail. 😉

        • ISeePinkClouds

          Thank you PUN for taking an interest in my question. Of course, as far as FDNPP is concerned the question is irrelevant. To the fact that this type of reactor design is being used in the U.S. the question may be relevant.
          I did follow your suggested link, and the links within. Certainly you noticed that many suppositions proposed in Peter's Blog, contain the words "may have" and "could have". For that reason it is a good article upon which to base a discussion and further investigation.
          I certainly do not believe that this forum is appropriate for that discussion, though I know of none better. Over time it may be discussed in bits and pieces at appropriate times, but generally, I doubt there is much interest as to why these meltdowns occurred since we are now dealing with the real life, real time repercussions.
          Admittedly there is a world of interconnectedness in the various constituents to nuclear power plant safety systems of which I am just beginning to comprehend. Though, it is not beyond my comprehension. I can, and will, tell you that I do not believe these safety systems failed in the manner that is commonly reported, nor do I believe that human error was involved to the degree commonly suggested. There are too many unanswered question, and too much supposition.
          I believe that in time I will know who is to blame, as well as at least a better idea of how a disaster like this can be prevented. The better idea would be to abandon nuclear power…

          • johnnyo

            i see sock puppets 🙂 enjoy your little internal dialogue

            Phillip, do you believe the official 9/11 narrative?

            • johnnyo

              PhillipUpNorth…a simple, quick, easy yes or no will suffice

              • johnnyo

                i think philly and pink are the same entity.

                Did u all catch this commenter on CommonDreams pretending to be an….ohmygosh…"auntie sem myte"
                when he really was a fine young jewish lad…but OH NO….def NOT working for anybody, nooooo …just your garden variety nutjob, u know, a lone wolf, admits to some psyc issues, begs forgiveness.

                please, all real human beings here, please read this…

          • bo bo

            btw as a sidenote – where did all the juicy off-topic archive pre-march 2014 disappear to…?
            The webcam thread got cut off and marooned at one point too, but eventually did get archived in a separate file.. and is still accessible. However the pre-march 25 2014 off-topic threads on enenews have been vaulted away & entombed. I wonder what happened ?


            • I think they're wherever the coriums went. Smoldering away in limbo making political/religio judgementiums until the end of time.

              • bo bo

                I don't really care about the religious stuff. I was just curious to dig up the discussions on HAARP etc. that probably happened there in the earlier days before I started following enenews.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  After the listing of all the forums on the right, click on "See all discussion threads."

                • It's sad to lose all those discussions. I just goooogled nick begich haarp

                  A ton of stuff came up and I know it's not the same as what must have been thoroughly discussed by the enewsers but maybe a similar search with enenews tacked on?

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                    I guess your post was at the same time as mine, where I told you how to retrieve the earlier off-topic forum discussions.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                    We posted many scientific articles in the past written by the scholarly community, etc., and all these posts are still readily available.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Blaming everything on CO2 or HAARP is just a read herring for the destruction of the weather caused by nuclear power plants and weapons production. The entire energy cycle for nuclear power plants creates huge amounts of CO2, and the weather is catastrophic because of nuclear power plants and especially reprocessing of nuclear fuel and the ozone holes got very much larger because of Fukushima. Also high altitude nuclear testing in the past destroyed much of the atmosphere and created artificial radiation belts around the earth in addition to the Van Allen belts.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      TYPO: red herring

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      The Chemtrail/Geo-Engineering Coverup
                      “…- Scalar transmitters in Russia are controlled by their Federal Security Bureau (FSB)… ( The once “KGB”, also running Russian ‘SURA” – ” HAARP”…)
                      “- Scalar weaponry produce gravitational waves. There is nothing we can do to prevent this from happening. We are in a desperate time, and most of the people in the US are completely oblivious to what is happening, and are doing nothing because of political correctness.
                      – Israel has protected the US from Russian scalar attacks on many occasions….”

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Cold-war device used to cause Katrina?
                      “IDAHO FALLS, Idaho (AP) — An Idaho weatherman says Japan's Yakuza mafia used a Russian-made electromagnetic generator to cause Hurricane Katrina in a bid to avenge itself for the Hiroshima atom bomb attack — and that this technology will soon be wielded again to hit another U.S. city.
                      “Meteorologist Scott Stevens, a nine-year veteran of KPVI-TV in Pocatello, said he was struggling to forecast weather patterns starting in 1998 when he discovered the theory on the Internet. It's now detailed on Stevens' website,, the Idaho Falls Post Register reported. …”

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Secret Weather Weapons Can Kill Millions, Warns Top Russian Politician.

                    • bo bo

                      Lol.. you say it is a red herring.. but when the discussion on HAARP focuses on 'dem Ruskies and 'dem Japs using it, it's suddenly a valid duscussion.. ? Ok, if you say so VanneV. & Wow, phew… So glad to hear Israel is protecting us from Ruskie HAARP attacks. Didn't know we had this guardian angel. Thanks for the links, especially that fun article from USA TODAY 🙂 & Please nobody reply to this post, it's warped way off-topic. Sorry everybody 🙁

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      bo, if you want a discussion stopped, please do not continue with an attacking post on me

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Radiation and Health: The Aftershocks of Japan's Nuclear Disaster
                      Posted: 04/22/2011
                      “…(7.5 million times the legal amount of iodine-131 and 1.1 million times for radioactive cesium near the facility)…
                      “Radioactive groundwater underneath the reactor has been measured at 10,000 times the government health standard….
                      ” the U.S. (which has banned imports of dairy products and fruit and vegetables from Fukushima, Tochigi, Gunma and Ibaraki)….
                      “The Chernobyl nuclear disaster significantly increased rates of leukemia, thyroid cancer and bone cancer among children in the vicinity of the reactor. Fetuses especially 2-15 weeks following conception are highly susceptible to teratogenic mutations following long term, low dose exposure to radiation. These mutations can lead to smaller head or brain size, poorly formed eyes, abnormally slow growth and mental retardation….”

                  • bo bo

                    Angela, I just read the it through.. thank you, a great thread ! Right on the main thread too 🙂

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      The OT thread is the kind of thing that makes me need a vacation often. Too bad we don't have the OT Forum active.

  • Ki11more Ki11more

    Reality will only sink in once we have a powerful head on C.M.E…..the power goes out and the glow of radiation from global meltdowns will certainly light the darkness….we need to shut them down and reboot our whole way of thinking and doing….and in as short a time as possible…before we and the reactors run out of time…

  • Sol Man

    Meltdowns are a very convenient way to remind us all how time is really ticking down, with the multi-mega-gazillion becquerels that have been loosed upon the world. This is a huge problem for those that live to love and plan for the future world with the safety of their progeny paramount; for those that just want to accumulate evermore blood-money fiat dollars in their account, not so much; and in that evil does rule the world.


    Fukushima peaches and pears sold in Indonesia.

    I've never seen such utter evil and corrupt dealings in all my life. How can they look each other in the face, selling tainted goods? Surely this is a crime against humanity?


  • HoTaters HoTaters

    But, ah, Dude, you are really dead, man.

  • weegokiburi weegokiburi

    We all have been since this all started.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Well, I'm still here 'til I ain't. But yes, one has to wonder, weegokiburi. Lots of hot particles spread all around.

  • weegokiburi weegokiburi

    I know I got dosed good and proper when I went as a volunteer.
    Borrowed time.

  • Arto Lauri Investigations FISSIO & SL1 SL2
    Fukushima U3 was a Pu239 Plasma Gas [like a cavitation bubble collapse] Optimum Supercritical Ball Explosion!
    He has discovered videos and documents, quite old, that prove they have always known, and expected, these NPP's to provide future catastrophic events….premeditated killing.
    Finland has become and total sacrifice zone to USA IAEA Plutonium Production & Acquisition… CIA, TVO, Secret Police…
    …with english notes, background data, explanations…

  • jec jec

    Interesting figures note the USA has NO data for key locations because of the HIGH final figures.Anyone want to fix that?