“Now we are zooming the 5th floor of reactor 3, where the fuel storage pool is. We must be able to see the top of the fuel storage pool at the very place. There “must” be the fuel storage pool in the center of the screen. However, we can not see even a part of the pool from the sky.”
I honestly think that pool has been almost completely empty since what was it, march 15 when unit 3 exploded? I'm one of the people that believes what occured at unit 3 was something much different than a hydrogen expolsion. I think what everybody dreads may happen at unit 4 has already happened at unit 3. I've watched the explosion at unit 3 more times than any body with nothing better to do, and while i'm no specialist, I would bet any amount of money that at least 90% of that fuel in the pool was vaporized, and sent hurling directly into the atmosphere, raining down on the entire northern hemisphere. You could not convince me differently, because i think all the evidence we need can be seen clearly by the nature of the explosion. I'm not saying this just because of how big and spectacular the explosion was, but if you look at small nuclear warheads detonate, and compare it to unit 3, it's more than identical.
I agree with your analysis completely. In the first frames of the exlposion, the bright orange/yellow/white flash occured where sfp3 was. I believe it to be completely gone. Arne also saw photos of sfp3 and wondered alloud where all the spent fuel had gone. Well, I'm pretty sure it went everywhere…….
James2, I hope this vindication of what you have been saying since December keeps the attacks at bay. I haven't yet noticed the rush of apologies, though, lol.
Was I the only other one to say that I saw the fire? Regardless, I wish that it had been the wrong call. All of that is in our lungs now. Thanks for the official warning, Tepco, and Japanese/U.S. governments! The failure to warn us is genocide.
What about sfp 4? I need to see the video again, because it was unclear for me. I still suspect that it is just as much of an ashtray as #3.
Yes NoNukes,….I see erratic behavior too!
My best friend, who doesn't take any supplements, is going off of the deep end. His brains are definitely affected,….and he is becoming flaky, moody, angry, and jumps to conclusions. It has become very hard to be around him. My roommate is the same way. All my other friends run when they see me,…so, hard tellin'!
Boy, the animals sure love me,…even more than usual. I talk to them in a language they can understand,….LOVE!
#3 definitely had MOX in it's core – which blew up on March 14th last year.
Although they vehemently deny it blew up, they do not deny the MOX was in it.
According to the records they released there was no MOX in the SFP3. Your guess is as good as mine as to whether that is correct or not.
They also said there was no MOX in #4 SFP – which had much more fuel in it than any other SFP – partially because the entire core was offloaded to the pool for maintenance – (PattieB has quite a different opinion on whether #4 core was empty or had rods in it).
We do know the reactor cap, the containment cap and the containment plug were all removed on #4.
I'm more skeptical about the statement that SFP 4 had no MOX for two reasons – 1. They were relining the reactor for some reason – I can't believe they weren't going to put MOX in it and 2. They've struggled with that pool from the very beginning – something is really hot in there and boils the water off really fast.
#3 by comparison didn't lose it's water even after the explosion on March 14th and when they couldn't get additional water in there for a few days. I was as amazed as anybody that SFP3 survived the blast – I simply couldn't believe it until I saw the proof. I think the reason it eventually caught fire and burned has more to do with damage from the initial blast and aftershocks vs. the heat from the rods.
I'm not sure that it makes all that much difference whether there was MOX in the SFPs. We are concerned about MOX because it was more plutonium in it than regular, fresh reactor fuel does. But ALL spent fuel has more plutonium in it that fresh uranium fuel, because plutonium gets produced as a by product as the reactor runs. So whether or not MOX fuel rods were in 4's SFP, there was still a MASSIVE amount of plutonium there–probably far more than was even in the #3 reactor itself, since there was MANY years (decades?) worth of spent fuel in each of the SFPs.
this is precisely the issue and why I have been on the issue since day one.
This post once again instills doubt that the SFP 3 survived the intitial blast. It does not matter it the pool has mox or not, it still had tons of plutonium. Which is the whole concern about MOX.
For other folks who believe this "proves" that the SFP burnt in December, I have to say that is simply does not. This proves nothing. We know this issue has been of concern since day one and to my thinking the HUGE explosion we all saw is far more likely the culprit than a fire one person said he saw but it is nowhere else corroborated.
OY! "…a fire one person said he saw but it is nowhere else corroborated." You've got to be kidding. Did you not read the thread above this? Did you not see the list of people (even though my personal ego name was left out) who "corroborated" seeing the fire.
The petty fights on this site are really beginning to take their toll.
Having taken the awesome power of nukes into our all too fragile human egos and hands, we need to evolve our consciousness and GET OVER THESE PETTY EGO BATTLES OF I'M RIGHT – YOU'RE WRONG.
Quit fighting like horny teenagers to prove Isaac Asimov's truth:
"If ever a species deserved to be replaced, we do!"
In other words, Evolve or Die in your petty Ego Wars.
Did you not see my post on this about how it should not be splitting up this community? Its a simple issue.
Also I did not see the two others and now you who claim to have seen this fire.
Its not an ego war.
Its a simple means of clarification.
As I have said many times. I am not sure if the core blew and the sfp stayed in tact. As there has been no real information to confirm this. As I stated eslewhere, TEPCO knows this information. But will not release it. ITs that simple.
In fighting here is ridiculous, becuase its all speculation, and, at least on my part, not ego.
I am not trying to convince anyone else of my observations. I have always only said, the information never clarified the status of the SFP at the time of the explosion. Simple right?
That others jump on me and continue to spin their opinion as fact does not change that.
Kevin…Yes. I saw your posts about not dividing the community with our own divisiveness. And, yes, I agree.
But for us to really be a community we must communicate. A community communicates. This is all I am trying to say. Name calling, blaming, even just plain calling someone else 'wrong' if done with a certain 'tone' divides the community.
If we can't communicate with each other here, with kindness and respect even when we disagree, then there is little hope of reaching those whom we really need to reach, those who are entrenched in nuclear thinking.
We must be truly rational, truly respectful, fully honest…and totaly hard hitting with the truth spoken with kindness and understanding.
I completely agree Dharma, have not called anyone names, have never insisted I was right and have only ever stated that the evidence is not there to corroborate the status of the spent fuel post explosion.
However I have been called an "idiot" a "shill" a "liar" and so forth.
I have, as you say, been totally hard hitting with the truth, which is that no evidence exists that is definitive that the pool survived the blast.
I want to be wrong, I want that pool there and the fuel in tact, but ever since day one i have searched this out. I sent Arnie a detailed letter requesting any detail whatsoever on this and received a legal form letter. I have looked at everything here people have provided and none of it is definitive.
When that day comes I let the issue go, but until then we need to know. It,like I said is het single most important issue and if, as I think could have happened, it went up in the explosion then litterally tons of plutonium has been scattered far and wide leading to untold millions of infected life forms for eternity.
Yes. Comment belongs after your response to me.
We know what we all think, believe, happened. But we still don't have any definitive scientific proof. But perhaps to ask for that is a denial of the distorting political reality in this day and age of corruption. Don't know for sure!
I suffer from extreme lack of trust.
I would appreciate you cease and desist inferring that I am "a shill" " a liar" "been lied to" " have an agenda" and the rest of these ludicrous inanitys.
I have been very clear from day one.
Its not about the reactor for me.
IT could have blown I have never disputed that, and it seems that way given that it is difficult to find and there has been a serious coverup.
My issue, which I think is of great importance, is that regardless of mox fuel, the SFP held tons of plutonium. And there is every reason to believe it went up in the explosion. Which to me is very serious and represents the single largest problem with this entire disaster. Also if proven should mark the end of nuclear power.
I would be the first to thank you and stop forwarding this if someone would provide credible data, which is in the hands of TEPCO, and not just a bunch of agressive spin and insults.
Let me point out some interesting things in the long video above:
0-6 seconds. zoom in on units 5 and 6 and observe that #5 has parts of it's west wall burned out.
0-7 seconds. zoom in on the unit 1 tent "roof". Notice the roof doesn't have the "cable mounts" on it in the opening shot – then at 6 seconds they "grow" out of the roof – very strange – some editing going on.
18 seconds you can see the platform they use to lift workers up to the SFP level on #4 – you can get a sense of how high that actually is.
52 seconds – the whole interior of #4 seems to be gone – this is different from what it has been before.
56 seconds – note the south wall of #3 is bulged out – it wasn't like this before.
1:04 North end of #3 has sunk into a huge "china syndrome pit" which almost continually emits steam and smoke – not smoking in this video, however.
3:05 all the water tanks – what struck me here is that the fields beyond have snow and there's no snow around any of the water tanks at all.
3:38 Steam/smoke coming out of the SFP4 and the guy on the left is standing there looking at it – I cannot believe that every second there is dangerous..
4:03 The best view of the SFP3 is shown as the camera zooms out and you can see it over top of #4. Notice the "river of corium" I was talking about that spills over the south wall – it has been either whitewashed or covered with concrete – In the video yesterday it was still just a black void.
4:17 as the video closes – look at the roof of #1 again – do you see the cable mounts in this view? Where did they go???
Would like to point out something about the shorter (first video). The last thing the reporter said was a sentence containing, "FUKUSHIMA DAINI" not Fukushima Daichi. So either the reporter is correctly saying it's Fuku Daini, or he made a mistake.
Any feedback on this, anyone? My Japanese is rusty, so I can't make out what he's saying in the rest of the sentence.
At 1:44 in the longer video the reporter mentions Fukushima Daini again. At about 0:50 – 0:55 you can see what looks like fuel assemblies all over the roof of the building behind #3 and #4 (not sure what building that is).
Reporter is apparently comparing Fuku Daichi and Daini, or reporting on both. It's a little confusing w/o translation.
All I know for sure is #3 and #4 are a real mess! Looking at all that twisted metal can give you a pretty good idea of the destructive force of these beach bombs.
Funny you mention it. I saw the giant gash in front of #2 in one of the recent photos. I hadn't noticed it before and even after the initial explosions there was a road there that ran all the way from #1 down past #4 on the west side – but it wouldn't be possible to drive there now – it looks like a large hillside next to the reactor building.
Unless it's an earthquake crack running right through there it's got to be a fissure from the underground nuke fuel.
regarding the hole in front of 3-4. I'm not sure it's a hole from that Photo.
As I point out above – I caught a glimpse in one of the cam views of the corium running down the side of #3 at the SW corner probably 2 months ago. I mentioned it here and got a bunch of "you're crazy" responses, but, since it was just a glimpse I had no way to prove it.
I think the fuel from SFP3 probably went underground somewhere near the corner of the building.
That could be the source of a smoking hole in that area.
These videos and pictures prove what we've been saying for awhile – the thing is totally out of control.
It is easy to see when you look at the link you provided 2nd picture from bottom.. and check that release hatch that came loose from the shaking.. lol..it occurs to have been blown out based on the steam you can see on that old pic.. http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.htm
I agree with Cataclysmic – what appears to be a crater is a odd roundish set of bushes on the steep hillside and was there before the accident.
The gash to the west of #2 has emerged over time.
Whatever happened inside #4 is very strange. If the reactor core was empty, I do not understand how they have the kind of damage they got – especially if it was only a hydrogen explosion.
PattieB's claims about #4 seem pretty outlandish to me, but I can't disprove them and I certainly don't have a better theory. Secret underground lab? experimental all plutonium core??? I suppose at this point it wouldn't surprise me if Albert Einstein jumped out of the building and yelled "surprise"…
I knew these workers were incredibly brave to expose themselves to such intense radiation, but I hadn't realized the other dangers involved in working at the plant. Look at the guys climbing up a ladder around 3:25 and then again from 3:45-51 in the video; it's way up toward the top left of the screen. The ladder appears to be set up on some kind of scaffolding and then leaning against the top beam of the buildings outer wall, very high up from the ground. Then they have to climb from the ladder onto whats left of the roof. Those are some horrific working conditions–even aside from the radiation (though that's the most horrific part of it). These guys are incredibly brave.
Geiger Counters are funny things. I have been listening to mine going tick, tick, and wondering what those clicks really mean to me. Mine has an opening on the tube of about ½”, or about .19635 sq inches (3.1416 X 0.25radius2). Today, an average of 15 counts per minute (cpm) of Alpha, Betta, and Gamma rays registered on the Geiger counter. This was indoors, inside my home. So, no Alpha particles are getting inside from outside my home. Any Alpha radiation has to come from inside my home. Some radiation is coming from my gas stove, from the stray hot particles tracked in on shoes. Some Gamma rays are coming into my home from the sunshine through windows, and through the walls. Normal background at my home, pre-Fuku, is 5 – 9 cpm.
The surface area of the average human body is about 25 square feet or 3600 square inches, according to ChaCha.com. So, there is about 18,335 times the radiation hitting my body as hit the little ½” tube on my Geiger counter: 3,600 sq in / .19635 sq in = 18,335.
So in order to calculate the approximate radiation dose a typical human body would get inside my house, here is the math:
3,600 sq in / .19635 sq in = 18,335 X 15 cpm = 275,025 cpm
My body is being subjected to 275, 025 cpm of radiation every minute of the day and night. And that’s inside my home, under clear blue skies. (The environment gets more radioactive when it rains or snows.)
I was just thinking that this Fuku meltdown is a lot of punishment for out bodies to take going forward 24/7/365. All over our bodies, cells are being damaged, and DNA is loosing integrity, and our lives are being shortened. I'll bet that the Fuku contribution (2X or 3X or higher by my count; maybe 12X or 13X background, according to Poterblog) is materially shortening my life. Not to mention the fear of spending time outdoors when it rains or snows. I'll bet a good lawyer could figure out what the damages are from Fuku to a person living in the USA, not to mention to a person living in Japan. I'm waiting to see one of those advertisements from a law firm willing to take up the challenge to put Tepco and the government of Japan out of business. I'll just take one of those little Prius hybrids off your hands in lieu of damages, one made in the USA. (Of course, I'll have to check it out with my Geiger counter first.) Much love to everyone on this site! No Atomics, no way!
Yes, it's a lot of punishment. Basically it means that all life on Earth has been post-Fukued. Most likely, the experience of being post-Fukued will be comparable to being Fukued with a post, but longer and less pleasant…
A mind-boggling 40,000 trillion becquerels of radioactive cesium, or twice the amount previously thought, may have spewed from the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant after the March 11 disaster, scientists say.
Wreedles, most appropriate 'post' Fuku analogy, but not a pretty picture! Many thanks, and good luck to all. Still in mourning for the Japanese people, who must continue to endure this, and for the children, who get it worse than adults. Why do they continue to kill whistleblowers in Tokyo, while the evacuation should now be well underwa? What do the city fathers think all that new smoke is about today? It's about corium reaching ground water, perhaps? Some say this is smoke, not steam. Either way, Tokyo is now unliveable. Forget the prospect of convincing residents to return to the present evacuation area. Forget trying to get people to eat food grown in Fukushima! Anyone not getting the hell out of Tokyo right now is crazy. Afraid to leave your home and job? In another year of this, your job will be gone, and your home will be silent. Whether you are gone, or wheather you are dead, is your choice. Much love.
Shortly after #3 exploded there were reports that fuel rod pieces were on the ground and had to be bulldozed over. Were there any pictures of those rods? Has anyone seen any reports about precisely how many fuel rods/fragments were on the ground? Was it likely a significant portion of the pool's load, or was it a relatively small amount compared to the number of rods that are evidently unaccounted for (and therefore possibly vaporized/aerosolized)?
"The document [a "confidential" NRC assessment dated Mar. 26] also suggests that fragments or particles of nuclear fuel from spent fuel pools above the reactors were blown “up to one mile from the units,” and that pieces of highly radioactive material fell between two units and had to be “bulldozed over,” presumably to protect workers at the site. The ejection of nuclear material, which may have occurred during one of the earlier hydrogen explosions, may indicate more extensive damage to the extremely radioactive pools than previously disclosed." http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world/asia/06nuclear.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&hp
"There is an inconsistency: the executive says the fuel pieces were found outside Unit 2, while NRC says it was between Units 3 and 4. The Reactor Safety Team speculates the source was the spent fuel pool of either Unit 3 or 4. Unit 4 was the one with the full-core offload, where the entire core was in the storage pool for maintenance. According to the document, those assemblies were 105 days old at the time; and according to JAIF, there were a total of 1,331 assemblies in that pool.
Also, you can see water in this video of #3 (at the very beginning (00:05 and then a better view starting at 5:58); that would seem to indicate that the structure of the fuel pool is still there and capable of holding water (though that doesn't mean the fuel wasn't blasted out of it).
This link has a picture of #3 SFP from Aug. 2010:
I'm not sure what it's supposed to look like when full, but it almost seems like some of the boxes might be empty (i.e., I think there would be handles sticking up if there were fuel bundles in them). It looks like there are handles visible in the lower left of the picture, and maybe toward the top, but not in much of the middle? Have they released any info regarding how full the #3 SFP actually was on 3-11?
"… Apparently TEPCO knew about Plutonium isotopes on 3/21 and 3/22. It was discovered in the soil around #1 and around several parts of #1’s infrastructure. No disclosure came at that time. True disclosure of that information only came out in the TEPCO press release on April 9th and through the Japanese Educational website about the disaster and reactor status (April 8th).
On March 23, experts were asked, on television and in the press, about the blue neutron beam, and stated that it might be due to the presence of uranium and plutonium radioactive isotopes, and an indication of spontaneous random re-criticality.
Plutonium was detected on 3/25 and 3/28, but the only reason we know this is from a minor footnote from a JAIF document which was only recently released on April 8th.
On March 26th, the NRC (The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission) analyzed the situation, but didn’t come right out say plutonium. Apparently based on the wording (read the chronology) they knew it though.
Here’s what is clear:
The 3/26 NRC document details neutron sources being thrown up to 1 mile and bulldozing of very high dose rate material being bulldozed between units 3 and 4. This means the US government knew about it and stayed silent. The New York Times broke that story on April 6.
On March 30th, the IAEA and a US dept of Energy official both documented possible Plutonium release in their statements…."
It is another reason I felt we were not being told the truth about the status of the reactors/fuel pools.
Still today, as seen in the Frontline documentary as early as last night, the official story is that the hydrogen explosions had no effect on the pools or the primary containments.
I suspect that there is a real sort of "well, whats done is done, nothing we can do about it, so suck it up and carry on" overreaching attitude with this information. Unfortunately not disclosing is criminal negligence resulting in death for anyone unfortunate enough to breathe in that plutonium in the next gagillion years.
Agreed. I don't understand how you could not tell people right away when you think several tons of uranium/plutonium might have been vaporized. I don't care what business interests they have–how can any body live with themselves to know this (or even to strongly suspect it) and yet withhold that information. People might have made different choices/taken precautions if they had been informed about it.
The smoking, steaming pit next to #3 reminds us of Dante Inferno..
We think that many TEPCO executives will end up being a featured guest in Dantes Inferno pit, for many, many lifetimes…
Some will be drinking the liquid corium. Some will be eating it. Some will be buried up to their necks in it. Some will have it in the nether parts. Some will have to breathe in the healing 'vapors' from the pit.
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